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ApotheosisAZ
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Sarah is not narcissistic; she is correct when she suggests Taylor is.
Sarah is solipsistic; she believes that her mind is real, but that no one else's is.
Ask her. I bet she agrees, if she answers at all.
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Spades wrote: | | My point is, she is the narccisist (yea, go ahead, laugh at the spelling). She was trying to reflect what she knows is wrong with her onto Taylor when she called her, that (not going to try it again). |
Wouldn't a narcissist have jumped at the chance to go in front of the camera instead of having to be coaxed out, though? I don't get the impression that Sarah's a narcissist.
| ApotheosisAZ wrote: | Sarah is not narcissistic; she is correct when she suggests Taylor is.
Sarah is solipsistic; she believes that her mind is real, but that no one else's is.
Ask her. I bet she agrees, if she answers at all. |
I'm interested in why you think this one, Apo. I admit I've never encountered a solipist before (to the best of my knowledge). |
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: |
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I'm interested in why you think this one, Apo. I admit I've never encountered a solipist before (to the best of my knowledge). |
The Sylvia Plath quotations were my first indication.
Especially this one:
| Sylvia Plath wrote: | | I shut my eyes and all the world drops dead; I lift my eyes and all is born again. |
A solipsistic point of view if ever there was one.
Also, one of Plath's more notable poems is titled Soliloquy of the Solipsist.
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Interesting. I can see what you're saying.
Seems like there's varying degrees to that philosophy, though. A spectrum ranging from a "mind over matter" outlook to extreme existentialism. |
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| Lurker wrote: | Interesting. I can see what you're saying.
Seems like there's varying degrees to that philosophy, though. A spectrum ranging from a "mind over matter" outlook to extreme existentialism. |
Indeed. Sarah's particular form isn't really so much "mind over matter" as it is "only I matter."
Sarah is self-centered; concerned about Daniel and Jonas insomuch as she might use one of them for her own pleasure. She doesn't know either of them very well; her charms are obviously wasted on both of them.
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Now that's not nice, Apo.  I don't think she thinks so. Otherwise, why help out before? And why be sullen over the Jules debacle?
ETA: Actually, what's the difference between what you just suggested and narcissism? That sounds like a classic description of narcissism there. |
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:02 am Post subject: |
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Are solipsism and narcissism mutually exclucive? Maybe she's both  |
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| I don't think they're mutually exclusive at all, no. I guess I'm just confused by Apo's explanation since his illustration of her as a solipist sounds like a description of a narcissist to me, though he thinks she's not one. |
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Here is what the dictionary says,
sol·ip·sism
1. Philosophy. the theory that only the self exists, or can be proved to exist.
2. extreme preoccupation with and indulgence of one's feelings, desires, etc.; egoistic self-absorption.
nar·cis·sism
1. inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity.
solipsism has a more specifically philosophical meaning, but the two in general parlance don't seem that far apart.
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On second thought, the difference between the two is subtle, but I would agree with Apo if I were to pick just one, I think solipsist would be a better description of Sarah's personality. |
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| robtomorrow wrote: |
solipsism has a more specifically philosophical meaning, but the two in general parlance don't seem that far apart. |
They aren't. In this case, we have Taylor. She seems to enjoy talking to us about herself. Taylor is the center of her own universe.
We also have Sarah. She doesn't really enjoy talking about herself. To her, there is no universe of which to be the center. She believes that she is all that really exists.
The difference is subtle, just a Rob indicates. Taylor is the narcissistic one, just as Sarah suggests. Sarah isn't narcissistic. She isn't in love with herself. She just doesn't believe the rest of us are real.
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The "Sam" girl who Taylor doesn't mention anymore...perhaps she was meant to be the new girl, and is the person the creators said "pulled out at the last minute"?
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| Woo wrote: | | The "Sam" girl who Taylor doesn't mention anymore...perhaps she was meant to be the new girl, and is the person the creators said "pulled out at the last minute"? |
Perhaps. All we know is that, according to Amanda, the Jules videos were used to make up for the actor who dropped out on them. |
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:01 am Post subject: |
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I love Sarah and Taylor. Very entertaining stuff. I particularly love that Sarah used to be a cheerleader. Explains why she's only semi-emo. Looks like she's gone alternative because she thinks it's the best way to get cheap thrills at that age. And she's right! Go girl!
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| Lurker wrote: | | Woo wrote: | | The "Sam" girl who Taylor doesn't mention anymore...perhaps she was meant to be the new girl, and is the person the creators said "pulled out at the last minute"? |
Perhaps. All we know is that, according to Amanda, the Jules videos were used to make up for the actor who dropped out on them. |
Wow, that explains a lot! How did I miss THAT thread?
Does anyone have a link to the thread where the creators talked about the girl dropping out at the last minute? I never found a link, but I saw people discussing it.
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It's in this post: http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=329750&highlight=#329750
| The Creators wrote: | Hey everyone,
Although it makes me sad to read such harsh comments, I agree that there's been a lull lately. I'm 100% confident that we have the ability to create a compelling show even though we may not always fire on all six cylinders. Anyway, we hear you loud and clear and we're doing the best we can.
Whether you believe it or not, we are very overextended. Gone are the days when Mesh and I could write/direct/edit every video. Now we're going to meetings, dealing with payroll, building a website, flying to conferences, doing interviews, negotiating deals, and all while trying to produce an entertaining show. Add to that the fact that no one knows how this medium works... and well, you know. Interestingly, a lot of our problems are "process" issues surrounding how we maintain quality when many people are contributing rather than just a couple.
I can say this. We are fixing the problems. The plot will become more interesting. Most importantly, we care massively about this show, the characters and plot, and all of you, and we aren't abandoning you or giving up. On the contrary, because of KateModern and a couple other deals we have been working really hard to finalize we will be able to hire a bigger team. Then we will be able to produce great videos, lots of interactivity, compelling puzzles, and pull off a great show here.
On a personal note, I'm really bummed about the last couple weeks of videos. Our initial plan was really ambitious, probably too ambitious. It involved a lot of videos, interactivity, and puzzles. We had an actor drop out at the last minute and a series of technical snafus. We had to do a ton of last second re-writes and re-edits. That in a addition to a couple other problems destroyed what was supposed to be a very entertaining and interactive couple weeks. Oh well, we learn and move forward.
Anyways, just want you to know that I care. Probably too much. Hope you enjoy where we go with things. Thanks!
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