Lonelygirl15

[roxybebito]

http://www.crypticcavern.com/holidays/Imb.htm
Imbolg

This time of year has many different meanings for cultures all around the world. Centuries ago winter was a tuff and hard time. The days were short and the nights were long, food was scarce and the promise of spring was far away. This time of year is celebrated all over the world with a variety of traditions that go back thousands of years. The holiday celebrated on February 2nd is called by many names. You many know it as Imbolg, Imbolc, Candlemas, the Feast Day of Saint Blaise, Oimelc )meaning "milk of ewes"), Laa'l Breeshey and Saint Bridget's Day.

This is the holiday Pagans honor Brid (Breed) a figure who was known the best as a goddess of the Celtic. She is also known as Bridgit (Bree-id), Brigit, Brede or Bride in her maiden aspect.

In some legends she is described as the daughter of the Dagda, the Celtic "Father of All" and "Lord of The Great Knowledge" a warrior and protector who was paired with the Morrigan. Other say that Brigit was his consort and Dagda is a god of abundance who fed the world with his cauldron called Undry.

Brigit is the goddess of sovereignty. She is a fire deity and some believe a sun goddess. Because of the connection of the growing season she is also thought of as a fertility goddess.She was also known as the patroness of smithcraft. She was said to have taught the original smiths their art.

This holiday is most commonly called Imbolg (Em-bowl/g) meaning "in the belly". In the womb of Mother Earth, the seed that was planted in her womb at the solstice is now awakening as the new year grows.

[storyteller]

Pretty interesting stuff. It could imply that the ceremony i supposed to happen in the spring (?) and would involve impregnating Bree (?) but what does it have to do with the structure of this story?
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[Languorous Lass]

Why does Imbolg have to be the relevant holiday? What about Samhain, which takes place just next week?
http://www.crypticcavern.com/holidays/Sam.htm

It's the holiday associated with sacrifice, which Bree already mentioned in one of her vids. It's also the end of the old year, and the time when the living can communicate most easily with the dead.

The website you linked to says that scholars are divided over whether human sacrifice was practiced by the Celts, but I'm not sure what connection (if any) the Celts have with the Order of Denderah.

The main question I have is: Does the specific location of Nottinghamshire have significance to the story? (Is Nottinghamshire anywhere near Stonehenge?)

[SharpI]

[storyteller]

[SharpI]

[SharpI]

[storyteller]

I thought I’d go back and revisit this…

All quotes come from http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/smc/journey/ref/summary.html

The Departure
1. The Call to Adventure- Bree's News that She would be Participating in the Ceremony (could have started a while back when she started her purification)
2. Refusal of the Call-Because she initially accepted the responsibility of the ceremony, I think that she can no longer refuse the call- I don’t think this is where we are-. "Often when the call is given, the future hero refuses to heed it. This may be from a sense of duty or obligation, fear, insecurity, a sense of inadequacy, or any of a range of reasons that work to hold the person in his or her current circumstances." Bree does not feel held to her current circumstances anymore.
3. Supernatural Aid- Daniel?- obviously Owen and P Monkey are something that Lucy has encouraged because it allows her to separate herself from Daniel with less trauma- Daniel is the one who is going to aid her in her journey toward independence and adulthood. Gemma may come into this as well, if we can ever figure out if she's legit.
4. The Crossing of the First Threshold- This is the point where the person actually crosses into the field of adventure, leaving the known limits of his or her world and venturing into an unknown and dangerous realm where the rules and limits are not known.
5. The Belly of the Whale- This is where Bree Hides or flees from her parents/the Order? This insinuates that she may be separated form Daniel for a time as well. I’m not actually sure we’re done with this.

Inititation-
1. The Road of Trials – here we are….
2. The Meeting with the Goddess - Well, I’m pretty sure this will be Jonas – something about this makes her stop “seeing herself in a dualistic way.” Likely this is where she stops expecting Daniel to take care of her and steps up. I’ve got two theories about this. They’re below.
3. Woman as the Temptress ( step is about those temptations that may lead the hero to abandon or stray from his or her quest) – An encounter that makes her question her opposition to the Order.
4. Atonement with the Father – some sort of confrontation or reconciliation with her parents- “For the transformation to take place, the person as he or she has been must be "killed" so that the new self can come into being. Sometime this killing is literal, and the earthly journey for that character is either over or moves into a different realm.”
5. Apotheosis a period of rest, peace and fulfillment before the hero begins the return.

6. The Ultimate Boon – I’m still not completely sure what Bree’s ultimate goal is here. Adulthood is most likely since she has been so incredibly immature since her parents were taken. Whatever it is, she has been working up to this Change in her life.

Return - Sometimes this part isn’t completely filled out. We’ll see.

1. Refusal of the Return
2. The Magic Flight
3. Rescue from Without
4. The Crossing of the Return Threshold
5. Master of the Two Worlds- “achieving a balance between the material and spiritual. The person has become comfortable and competent in both the inner and outer worlds.”
6. Freedom to Live

There are two possibilities here:
1. Jonas is the God in which “represents the point in the adventure when the person experiences a love that has the power and significance of the all-powerful, all encompassing, unconditional love that a fortunate infant may experience with his or her mother.” Which means that she will move from a love interest with Daniel to Jonas- gag me.
2. Jonas is the temptress. His job is to get Bree comfortable and focused away from her journey and her fear of the Order. I think this is the most likely option.

A lot of people think that Jonas is just some nice guy who will take Bree and Daniel in, but what would really happen then? Nothing. I think it’s more likely that OpAhid’s (I) Infiltrate is what Jonas is trying to do. He wants to distract Bree from her journey. Daniel is much more likely to be Bree’s “god” since he’s already proved himself willing to take care of Bree and keep her safe.

By the way-
I’m also very interested in the stories that the order tells. I think OpAphid said (in response to someone’s questioning her about Gemma’s different interpretation of the term) that there are many different stories told. I’m wondering if the children aren’t told stories to help them understand this idea- and if so, what those stories are, and what they might reveal about the order. I don’t really have time to follow OpAphid very closely, so if anyone wants to question her about that, please do!
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That's Fat-Fantastic!

[dreamerose]

I had interpretated the "many stories they tell children" more as there are many half-truths or outright lies we tell children... almost every fairy tale has a much darker, deeper meaning then we give it today.

The monomyth can apply to nearly every story in some way...

[Pi]

[jc_gypsy7]

wow.

You guys are seriously impressive!

(I've nothing to contribute re your steps as I'm still absorbing it all, but just had to say this whole theory is great!)

[storyteller]

[quote="Pi"]

[Inigo]

I did an extended essay (4000 words) on this subject, focused on Star Wars for school once.

It's very interesting isnt it? There are always some similarities in the story. Even in lonelygirl we can find these archetypes. Though in this case, its more confusing. Who is the hero? who is the villain? who is the damsel in distress? what is the prophecy? etc...

[storyteller]

[watchingall]

I don't think there are any "secrets" to this, just a scholarly way of laying out good storytelling

HOWEVER, fantastic thread and possibly a way to keep an eye on the way things are going. Thank you for posting this!