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longlostposter
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| Pallidity wrote: | | It seems almost suicidal...unless, of course, that's the point. |
It wouldn't go that far, especially if there is an ulterior motive for stabbing himself.
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exanimatebylove
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: Stabby stab stab |
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| longlostposter wrote: | | exanimatebylove wrote: | | Pallidity wrote: | Do you think Bree stab Jonas? Because that's definately what it looked like to me.
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God, I hope not. Why would she? :O( Poor Jonas. I'm worried.
Tell me why they would upload a video like this... |
Well, from the Creators standpoint, I think this video and the "Beach Bum" video were trying to get across to us how tired the boys are of not having a normal life because of Bree. It could be leading to them abandoning her, or, if Jonas is Order, the Order causing a slow riff between Daniel and Bree. She would then be surrounded by the Order (adding the aunt as Order).
These are my thoughts, though I'm not completely sure of them, obviously. |
Well I kinda meant...at a TIME like that. Because obviously Bree or whoever had time to upload and edit the video and do all that stuff to it and you'd think by then that they'd be back at the aunts or somewhere where they'd have progress of how Jonas was doing. It's hard for me to get into it sometimes lately cause some of the vids are just sooo unbelieveable. Ya Know?? But your post did make a lot of sense though. Hadn't thought of it that way.
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exanimatebylove
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So I watched "Sorry Jonas" again and it now makes sense to me how he would/could have stabbed himself there...if it slipped.
Thanks to this video last night I had a dream my BF stabbed me...that was creepy.
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Luminous
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Has anyone noticed that this is a stigmata wound? http://skepdic.com/stigmata.html
Given that Jonas is a man, who is sacrificing himself for the sins of others - (Bree refusing to do the ceremony). This could have deep metaphorical and psychological implications. And we already know Jonas has been in therapy. I wonder if he has a history of this sort of thing?
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colbertnationgirl
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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How is Jonas sacrificing himself for Bree?
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longlostposter
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| cbizzle44 wrote: | | i get bree's reluctance to go to a hospital... but they could have used fake names, right? |
I don't know about California, but here in Louisiana you are asked for ID when you go to the emergency room. I think this is to make sure there is no insurance fraud.
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Beckers
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| Here in Canada Health care is free (through taxes) so we don't have to worry about isurance fraud until it comes to medications. |
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angelik_pistol
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| nobackspacebutton wrote: | | I don't know...but I got the vibe that Jonas did this purposely...? Maybe if he IS anti-order, he is trying to make Daniel think that Bree has lost it. I mean, a vet? What kind of compromise is that? |
The thing is, though, nobody forced Bree to say "Let's not take him to a hospital." She made that decision entirely on her own. So she really has lost it. |
well basicly it was a win win situation no matter what. either she gives in, they go to the hospital and the order finds them. or else she says no, we cant go to the hospital and everyone thinks shes lost it. so if this was cooked up, shes kinda doomed no matter what she does right?
i also noticed that the wound looked oddly like a stigmata wound, dont think theres any signifigance tho... |
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Pallidity
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| colbertnationgirl wrote: | | How is Jonas sacrificing himself for Bree? |
He's given up time, money, energy and overall peace to help her. |
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Pallidity
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| Luminous wrote: | Has anyone noticed that this is a stigmata wound? http://skepdic.com/stigmata.html
Given that Jonas is a man, who is sacrificing himself for the sins of others - (Bree refusing to do the ceremony). This could have deep metaphorical and psychological implications. And we already know Jonas has been in therapy. I wonder if he has a history of this sort of thing? |
I did notice that, although I didn't really think about it much. I'm wondering if it is intended to have those implications because it seems rather lost on a lot of the viewers. I would say that he does act sort of like Christ in his self-sacrificing and mentoring, but at the same time he seems to struggle with it more than one would expect Christ did. He has, however, been persecuted by Bree and Daniel to some extent who are his followers in a sense. [/i] |
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longlostposter
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I don't view Jonas as a Christ-like figure.
I don't know what to think about the stigmata thing. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw the wound, but it could be just a coincidence. If the Creators wanted an injury in the storyline (either to point out something in Bree's mind-set, or to lead to something else later on), this hand injury would be the easiest thing, given Jonas trying to break into his aunt's office. So is it meant to be a stigmata reference, or is it just that this particular injury fit in with the storyline? Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Lurker
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| If it were supposed to be a stigmata reference, I think we'd have seen holes in both hands. Otherwise it isn't obvious enough. |
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colbertnationgirl
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I agree with both longlostposter and Lurker. Christ gave up his life, Jonas hasn't done anything that big.
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Luminous
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| colbertnationgirl wrote: | | I agree with both longlostposter and Lurker. Christ gave up his life, Jonas hasn't done anything that big. |
I agree. But I think Jonas is prone to inflated ideas about himself (i.e. the Bruce Wayne superhero thing) Self admitted, Jonas has issues. Might not one of them be a martyr complex?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr_complex
I don't know if it's a big deal or not to the storyline, but Jonas mental health has certainly been mentioned before.
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colbertnationgirl
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That's very interesting, and Jonas has acted like that before. I don't think it is related to the wound, but it is something to look out for.
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