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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After rewatching the video, Lurker is correct; they were all out of the vehicle and had stopped filming.

However, I still find the interaction between them strange.

lol, I guess I was looking too hard for things that didn't add up.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The principle of Occam's Razor:

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The simplest explanation tends to be the right one



People here tend to see inconsistencies and conspiracies or flaws where they dont exist.

This is the simplest explanation: both of them got out of the car and went inside the airport to look for Alex. They got back to the car, and Daniel helped Alex put the bags in the trunk while Jonas got the car started. They obviously said their hellos when they first saw her in the airport so thats why Daniel didnt introduce himself in the car.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry but I jut don't think they filmed it. IF they really were at an airport for one thing they don't have the sponserships to film in such a heavily promoted area. Like think about it. In airports, all over the walls are huge signs promoting this thing and that. The Creators don't ahve permission to use those images.
Second of all, most security in airports do not allow video cameras anymore. Especially in heavily trafficed international airports.

I jsut don't see it as a weird thing. I think it's completely over reacting and looking for something other then Daniel's awkward picking up abilities. I really jsut think it's to solidify a) the aunt as a character b) the aunts age
c) daniel liking the aunt d) jonas trying to prevent daniel's hitting on the aunt and finally e) Daniel is a dork when it comes to women.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Kelly, but I already retracted it.

As far as Occam's Razor, I think that only applies to real life, not fictional video blogs.


The Aleistar Crowley shrine was not insignificant, even though it was just something in the background in Bree's room when first noticed.

Anyway, I think I am looking to hard for things. Next time I'm going to make sure I look at a vid three or four times before I post.

EDIT: Oops, Kelly, perhaps you meant that for everyone who posted that it was strange here. I apologize.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am nonplussed with the writers recent contributions.

It is difference that makes life worhtwhile. We await your deductive thoughts on the Gaylien conspiracy, I think you know a lot more about it than you are willing to admit!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Killthesmiley wrote:
I'm sorry but I jut don't think they filmed it. IF they really were at an airport for one thing they don't have the sponserships to film in such a heavily promoted area. Like think about it. In airports, all over the walls are huge signs promoting this thing and that. The Creators don't ahve permission to use those images.
Second of all, most security in airports do not allow video cameras anymore. Especially in heavily trafficed international airports.

I jsut don't see it as a weird thing. I think it's completely over reacting and looking for something other then Daniel's awkward picking up abilities. I really jsut think it's to solidify a) the aunt as a character b) the aunts age
c) daniel liking the aunt d) jonas trying to prevent daniel's hitting on the aunt and finally e) Daniel is a dork when it comes to women.


I agree. I did think Daniel made it a little awkward though. lol. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

longlostposter wrote:
As far as Occam's Razor, I think that only applies to real life, not fictional video blogs.


Well Lonelygirl15 is sandwiched between reality and fiction... and you will find that in most fictional stories, the characters end up using the simplest solution to their problems...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inigo wrote:
longlostposter wrote:
As far as Occam's Razor, I think that only applies to real life, not fictional video blogs.


Well Lonelygirl15 is sandwiched between reality and fiction... and you will find that in most fictional stories, the characters end up using the simplest solution to their problems...
This would disregard characterization. Bree isn't able to come up with simple solutions, and neither would ...let's say.. a schizophrenic person.

I think I may have skewed the way you meant it to be applied; I think what you meant was it applied to speculation by posters. My bad.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lurker wrote:
I know some of these things have already been touched upon, but I just want to make sure nothing's missed, because I think there's a lot of unnecessary speculation running rampant here.

nobackspacebutton wrote:
Thats what I've been trying to point out.

1) If Jonas hadn't seen her since he was 14, how did he know she was going away and how did he know that she was coming back?


Telephone or e-mail.


True...they could still be 'keeping in touch', just haven't seen each other. It makes me wonder if Jonas knew something, anything about the paperwork she had though. Maybe that is why he chose to go there--he remembered something.

Lurker wrote:

nobackspacebutton wrote:
2) How did his aunt get to the airport previously and did she know Jonas would be picking her up?


Cab.


Simple answer, yes...but it still seems rather planned out. Perhaps we are just looking into it too much---after some thought--it really isn't that abnormal to do that. Razz

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nobackspacebutton wrote:
3) Even if Jonas spent some time there, how did he know he could get it through the back, and if you go on a trip out of the country--let alone out of the city or to the grocery store--would you keep your back door unlocked?


Jonas never said how he got in. He might have gone in through a window.


He was still very comfortable and sure about entering her home while she wasn't there. I guess if they had been keeping in touch over the years, it would be safe to say they are good friends?


nobackspacebutton wrote:
If you hadn't seen anyone in 3 weeks, let alone 14 years, wouldn't you be a little upset if they broke into your home, while you were away on vacation, and had been squatting there until your return? Think about it.


Jonas knew there was a hidden key (which was too well hidden to be of help to him), so it stands to reason he'd been told he could go there when he wanted to.

It's only been about six years since Jonas saw her, by the way.[/quote]

I still feel like she should have been angry if they entered her home unannounced. It'd be one thing if it had just been Jonas, her relative, but also two other strangers? Unless she is used to this activity of his.


Lurker wrote:
nobackspacebutton wrote:
So, then questions still remain:

2) Who else has Jonas been in contact with?



2) Now, that's a good question.


I wonder how many other relatives he has that is in part of the rise against the order. Perhaps in the next videos they will be trying to reach any surviving relatives, daughters/sons from the people that mysteriously disappeared.

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nobackspacebutton wrote:
The dynamic duo didn't know it was okay to enter the Aunts house.

They surely would have mentioned it if Jonas had set up something with his Aunt...a safe place for them to stay.


Jonas seemed pretty sure it was fine to go into her house (refer to "On The Road Again"). The only thing he didn't seem sure was okay was going into her office.


My point exactly. But, from what we have discussed above, its possible either:

1) Jonas had an extended invitation from Alex---that there was a hidden key--and he could go in if he ever needed anything.

2) Jonas had entered her home before unexpectedly and Alex was used to his behavior.

(most likely 1)

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cephista wrote:
only thing that bothers me, is that alex didn't notice jonas' hand before.


Yeah, that one kind of bothered me too. Only thing I can think of is that he had his hand in his pocket.


Or maybe she knows he used to get in fights---boxing matches Wink Hence his username "jonastko". So, it wouldn't be irregular for her to see him with a bandage on.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, she flipped when she finally noticed the bandage on his hand.
btw, I think that half of us are right; we're all looking into this way too much.

edit: for spelling
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

longlostposter wrote:


I think I may have skewed the way you meant it to be applied; I think what you meant was it applied to speculation by posters. My bad.



Yeah that's what I meant Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

exanimatebylove wrote:
e) Daniel is a dork when it comes to women.
Daniel seems to be a lot smoother in this last video, though.

Man, I so hope Daniel finds a decent gf in Alex. That would just rock. Daniel needs to have some happiness now.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry if someone has already stated this, but I'm not reading the other posts cause today is my lazy day Cool ...

I understand them not showing the hugging when they first see each other cause that could have been done in the airport. It wasn't filmed cause you can't film in some airports(as someone already pointed out). And why would we want to see Jonas putting bags in the trunk? (No comments from the Jonas-obsession club please Razz )

All of those things I can understand why they weren't on the video. What really got to me was why didn't she see his hand all banged up until they were in the car. Is she that oblivious to things that are right in front of her face. Wouldn't she have noticed when they hugged or when he took the bags from her, or , incase he can't use it very well, why he was doing everything with one hand?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This may be a long shot but I've noticed something about Jonas and Alex that bugs me.

First let me say I still think Jonas is lying about his age, I think hes way older than they think and I think he has a lot more to do with the order than hes letting on.

Theres just something about the way Jonas and Alex interact that makes me think shes not his aunt. Like maybe a girlfriend or something. It could explain who he was calling on his cell, why he didn't think it was a big deal to break into her place and how he knew to pick her up. Also his reaction to DB hitting on her and the way he kissed her on the top of the head in "on the hot seat" makes me think of the way my dad kisses my mom.

Breaking into her office? I Dunno

I know theres prolly a lot of holes in this but I just have this feeling that Jonas is hiding an awful lot and prolly has been plotting and planning from the very beginning

I still think hes a cop too
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ravensnow27 wrote:
This may be a long shot but I've noticed something about Jonas and Alex that bugs me.

First let me say I still think Jonas is lying about his age, I think hes way older than they think and I think he has a lot more to do with the order than hes letting on.

Theres just something about the way Jonas and Alex interact that makes me think shes not his aunt. Like maybe a girlfriend or something. It could explain who he was calling on his cell, why he didn't think it was a big deal to break into her place and how he knew to pick her up. Also his reaction to DB hitting on her and the way he kissed her on the top of the head in "on the hot seat" makes me think of the way my dad kisses my mom.

Breaking into her office? I Dunno

I know theres prolly a lot of holes in this but I just have this feeling that Jonas is hiding an awful lot and prolly has been plotting and planning from the very beginning

I still think hes a cop too
I don't know about the cop thing, but a few others have brought up that Jonas and Alex don't seem like aunt and nephew. We'll just have to wait and see.

And yeah, I think he may be older too.
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