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Cleo
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Yes! Reply with quote

Haha! Yes, precisely.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loobylou wrote:
No - we spell pigeon the same way as you guys! Smile


lol okay, sorry if that insulted you. That's just what a lot of people said when this was brought up before.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's of any worth mentioning...

About that kid from CA that was going to meet Bree but didn't b/c his dad died....

I think that it could be safe to say that if you're working for The Order, you would try to come up with some way of getting help from that kid from CA. (After all, the kid IS a scientist!)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey JALG - not offended at all - don't worry Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Dove Reply with quote

Cleo wrote:
Crowley's quote is a dig at Catholicism. The "virgin" is Mary and the "pidgeon" is the dove. The dove is a symbol for the Holy Spirit in the Catholic faith, the third part of the Holy Trinity. In calling the Holy Spirit a "pidgeon," Crowley trivializes it. Crowley's contrasting what he supposes to be blind faith in Christian superstition with what he supposes to be wise faith in Gnostic science (his teaching). I'm certain that this is the meaning of the original Crowley quotation.

As for the quotation's use on the HoO website, there may be more to it. I enjoy garnet's interpretation, contrasting pagan sacrifice with modern cult science (hardly obvious, smarty garnet). That would be a perfect new context for this quote and quite brilliant if that's where the writers are going with this!

Beautifully wrought argument, Cleo.

I would also like to muddy the waters some by mentioning that pidgeon is also the term used occasionally in place of vulgate. As in the bible was translated from the latin vulgate. transposes to the bible was translated from pidgeon latin.

That would still maintain your argument, Cleo, that Crowley was trivializing the teachings of the catholic church. Sounds like him! Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Wow Reply with quote

It's obviolusly something... otherwise.. they wouldn't use it, maybe there's an important character that is called Walter...?? Maybe??
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdiddy wrote:
If it's of any worth mentioning...

About that kid from CA that was going to meet Bree but didn't b/c his dad died....

I think that it could be safe to say that if you're working for The Order, you would try to come up with some way of getting help from that kid from CA. (After all, the kid IS a scientist!)



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