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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:53 am    Post subject: OOG - OUR Thesis Reply with quote

Hey Guys!

I'm only labeling this OOG because, well, I think it's something we should work on without Clara, at least in the beginning stages.

With all this talk about helping Clara narrow and define her thesis it kind of dawned on me...perhaps WE should have a thesis statement of our own. A simple, few sentence summary of what we are trying to accomplish here with Clara. If we had this, something we all agreed on, it would focus us all and (hopefully) better keep us on topic when it comes to interacting with Clara. Because as it stands, I think we're wasting a lot of precious time.

What do you all think?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I concur . . . but where to start?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my OOG thesis statement:

Not as crazy as he normally is, Apo wrote:
Clara is an Order plant. She is here to try and convince people that the Order was not involved with the murders of Maddison and Adam.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm...well, that's certainly an interesting thesis. Considering she is the only source of information right now, though, it's a very bleak one. We would somehow have to find a way to use the biased information she is feeding us against her.

Another suggestion:

We, the online community, will use Clara's belief that the deaths of Maddison and Adam is a closed case as a basis to encourage her into proving our "conspiracy theories" incorrect, thus spurring her interest in the case, thus allowing her to bring us and her a clearer understanding of what really occured.

Too wordy?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not bad Jenni! How about this one:

We, the online community, indend to come to a consensus on the following:

1) the identity of the killer of Maddison and Adam, and the motivation of this person
2) the identity of the person Mr. Zipp, and concurently the identity of his child
3) the reason Maddison was chosen for this dangerous mission

As a community we realize that our sole source of information is currently a young woman by the name of Clara Stokes. We must nurture her interest in Maddison's story. In doing so we hope to extract from her the information we need to form our consensus.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it! A nice blending of my original thought and the information we want to gather.

Any more inclusions?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I'm not so good with all the puzzling, and I missed much of the in depth stuff for chapter 1. But the key for the plot in my mind is that Mr. Zipp was trying to protect his own daughter, right? Could _Clara_ be Mr. Zipp's daughter? By giving her this "project", this elaborately staged crime, maybe he's trying to open up a self-centered, lazy student?

Apologies if this has already been skewered and discarded. Or if it's just plain crazy...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, its good, i think that idea may have been voiced, but the more times the better. theoris are agog and they all must be seen in order to be discussed.

i think it's certainly plausable. maybe we should ask clara about her father?

im really starting to think that her advisor is the mysterious mr. zipp. i seriously doubt her father is her advisor at school.

we just need more info!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a great thread. Here's a few holes in Clara's "closed case" theory for her to fill. Please add to them, or shoot them down.

- Frady had to have help with drops all over the country. If there's one or more accomplices then you have a conspiracy.

- How do you explain the WarPylol video?

The following questions explore the possibility that the killer was someone closely related to Maddy and/or Adam. Since we haven't heard from Clara that Frady was related at all, this would point towards someone different than him being involved:

- How did Frady know what passwords to use when setting Maddy's accounts?

- What happened to uncle Joe? How did Frady know where he lived, and that Maddy and Adam were going there?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did Zipp set up Maddison's Revver account? If he did, how did he know she would have a camera.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

because zipp was her teacher! it just fits! i swear!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly the same deal with my other questions. How did Maddison keep the camera so long? Who knew when Maddison would be away from her apartment during her shoot? The story is resurrected where? at the college.

It all points back to some one at the college.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing that doesn't really fit with the whole:

Zipp=Advisor theroy


is that Zipp said in his original email to Maddy that he and Maddy "were never intended to meet". I do believe the whole story is related to that college.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhiaMonster wrote:
The only thing that doesn't really fit with the whole:

Zipp=Advisor theroy


is that Zipp said in his original email to Maddy that he and Maddy "were never intended to meet". I do believe the whole story is related to that college.


You are correct, but you could also take this as the chance meeting of Maddison and this person initialized this communication.
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