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I don't want to resurrect that debate over whether this thing is interactive or not, and I'm not trying to be a dick, I promise, but something interesting -- which I absolutely must share -- has just been brought to my attention. On December 3, Yousef and Jessica appeared at VH1's Big in '06 award show (with lonelygirl15 incidentally winning "Web Hit"). Please note the condition of Yousef's hair in that picture.
Now, please note the condition of Yousef's hair in the latest video, "Back Home." Note also that in that very video, Daniel mentions getting a haircut. Keeping in mind the identical condition of Daniel's hair on December 3, compare it to his hair in the "The Test" and "Your Decision" vidoes. Remember now when the "The Test" video came along: December 7.
I'm not going to be the one to say it. I'm trying not to jump to any conclusions, I really am. There might have been two videos recorded just in case things went differently. I'd like to know, though, if that's the case, and -- if there is an alternate video -- I think it would be cool if we could see it. Please? |
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Slainte
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| DreamerM wrote: | I'm sorry Eli. I fell into the trap, late in my very first post on this thread, of falling into the role of writer. It's a cap I wear too easily, and for me and for everyone else, I won't do it.
My perfect job, the job I bitterly want, is to work as a writer on a show like this. That'd be nirvana. I wouldn't even care about the money.
It's the sort of stuff I live for. Not exaggerating.
Hear that, Miles?....yeah, this pathetic person wants to work for you.
Hey, we can all have our dreams, right? Especially me. I'm Dreamer...
Problem with dreams though is that they are fantasies. And waking up would hurt too much.
Sorry Eli.  It's not a cop-out, I swear.
Which makes it sound like more of a cop out.  Oh well.
I'm gonna go stare wistfully at the sky now and think about all the life I want as opposed to the life I actually have. Think about how little I have actually accomplished and how much more I wish I could give.
I'm the Dreamer. That will probably always be....all there is to me. |
" I am the Dreamer" can't you see? The world was not made for me"
Oh My God what a f'ing load!!!!!!!
This probably isn't going to be very popular but here goes...
Who the "F" do you self-styled critics think you are?
How many college degrees out there?
Ok how many grad degrees?
OK how many have written a successful screenplay? Hmm...ok... A published critique...published critique in a college paper? high school?
At first I was a little perturbed with the "Afternoon Special" audience I saw here. But hey, they are the ones having fun, asking questions, being curious, and buying in to the whole alternate realty thing.
For god's sake boys and grls this isn't Hamlet, it's not "Gone With the Wind" ...shit it aint even "Lost"...It is an entertaining little bauble made available for your amusement by a handful of people who are trying something new (at their own expense I might add)
DreamerM, I hate to say it but you have become - and very quiclky I might add - a perfect example of the pomposity assumed by most of the yahoo's on this and the other forum.
(Shaking my head) No I don't have anything productive to say. That's the whole f'ing point! Neither do you.
This thing is a game, a puzzle, a "what's next" serial. The anwer to life's questions will not be found within the confines of LG 15, her pimply faced companions and the bad "grown-ups" that are tryimg to use them.
Will Bree support Joan-us when he admits his homosexuality and that Daniel is what he wanted after all?
Will Gemma finnaly confess she is pregnant with Owens "love child"
And how will Bree get into a decent sorority after all this?
Stay tuned for a very special LG15
f'ing doofuses
and PS ..shut up I don't want to hear what you have to say. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Slainte wrote: | | and PS ..shut up I don't want to hear what you have to say. |
I realize you were addressing DreamerM, and I agree that at a few times he's gone overboard, but you do realize that anything enlightening you may have had to say in that post was just slapped aside with hypocrisy, right? If you don't want to hear what other people have to say, why they should pay attention to what you say?
| Slainte wrote: | Who the "F" do you self-styled critics think you are?
How many college degrees out there?
Ok how many grad degrees?
OK how many have written a successful screenplay? Hmm...ok... A published critique...published critique in a college paper? high school? |
The same question can be turned around on you because of your decision to offer criticism of other people offering criticism on this subject.
| Slainte wrote: | | For god's sake boys and grls this isn't Hamlet, it's not "Gone With the Wind" ...shit it aint even "Lost"...It is an entertaining little bauble made available for your amusement by a handful of people who are trying something new (at their own expense I might add) |
You know that they're trying to make it big with this, right? This isn't just charity work. If anything, I'd think they'd appreciate feedback (and not just of the praise variety). |
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briska06
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="DreamerM"] | AGuyNamedJoe wrote: |
What we have here is a uniquely immediate form of storytelling being squandered on a once gripping but slipping plotline, nothing more. |
Maybe you should be more proactive about it then, and make one yourself since you know all about these kinds of things, instead of whining about it idly on a forum. |
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DreamerM
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Slainte wrote: |
For god's sake boys and grls this isn't Hamlet, it's not "Gone With the Wind" ...shit it aint even "Lost"...It is an entertaining little bauble made available for your amusement |
I donno, "Hamlet," and "gone with the wind" were baubles in thier time: theatre was our television, comic books, and internet all in one. "Gone with the wind" was made to capitalize on the popularity of the book of the same name. Neither of them HAD to be art. They just kind of ended up that way by having complex characters and the kind of plots people don't get tired of arguing about.
If you have the chance to create something, then why not put everything you have into it? Why make "baubles for the masses" when you can make something reflective of what you see in people and the world?
| Slainte wrote: | | shut up I don't want to hear what you have to say. |
Then you don't have to read it. I don't pretend to speak for anyone except myself. Weither people agree with me or not is completely up to them. Here, and "the other board."
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AGuyNamedJoe
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Hey man, we need to all lo... I mean, care about each other. We are just debating whether Lonelygirl15 was designed to be a story, not hate each others guts. DreamerM wants there to be a story and makes some excellent points supporting the "no story" theory, even though that was not his (or her?) intent. Can we analyse the last video (Back Home)?
Story: Daniel is at home. Daniel loves Bree.
The rest: The he had money, twinkie, comic book debacle. How could Daniel allow his one true love to eat from a dumpster when he had a pocket full of cash! But then, Daniel is the coolest guy there is for "riding the rails" (excuse me, I mean "catching out"). The "Bulls" are just there to spoil our fun but they are so stupid we can beat the system. New character Old Dude Walter introduced. Like, we will hear from him again. (By the way, if you plan to tour the country in an open boxcar for two months, the middle of winter is prime time.) Daniel got cleaned up. Okay, good to know. Daniel can do anything he wants because his parents are too dumb to catch on. How so cool. Daniel left Bree in danger! How could he do that! Daniel is moving on with his life but is so sorry he left. He misses Bree. Not fair to toy with our emotions like that. And the car. We can't forget Daniels ultimate sacrifice. And does Daniel know that everything he does in his bed will be caught on video? What will happen next? Everyone have a theory?
The point is that 90% of the videos are not about a story but give us lots to talk about, to speculate about, to dream about (hey, so I'm romantic), to ridicule even but most importantly, they give us the opportunity to just have some good clean fun. Lonelygirl15 is what it is so just enjoy it.
Also, could revenue be tied to website traffic? Maybe the more discussion, the more traffic, the more ad revenue.
P.S. Of course, I get the symbolism of the twinkies purchase but am lost as to the meaning behind the comic book. Perhaps someone can help me out here? |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| AGuyNamedJoe wrote: | | The rest: The he had money, twinkie, comic book debacle. How could Daniel allow his one true love to eat from a dumpster when he had a pocket full of cash! |
We don't know that he had a pocket full of cash. A single twinkie could have been a quarter. Comics (depending on the comic) range from a couple of bucks to three and a half dollars (or more if you're buying from Marvel; jerks).
At that point, Daniel was going home and wouldn't have to worry about reserve money for an actual emergency. To answer your question, I'll proffer another question: "How could Daniel not hang onto a little bit of money in the event that his one true love was in danger of starving to death and the only way to save her without taking her to the hospital -- and, possibly, the notice of the Order -- was to go into a gas station and buy something? Meaning: get some food without shoplifting and getting himself arrested (which would have meant Bree'd be left to die)?"
I for one would not have spent every last penny I had before looking to alternative means of finding stuff. Besides, as others have pointed out in other threads, you can find some good stuff in dumpsters. Bree and Daniel just weren't looking in good ones apparently.
| AGuyNamedJoe wrote: | | P.S. Of course, I get the symbolism of the twinkies purchase but am lost as to the meaning behind the comic book. Perhaps someone can help me out here? |
Depends on what the comic book was. Right now we're trying to find out if it was something by Brian Vaughn. There's been quite a few references to comics by him (from Tachyon apparently), and the LG15 storyline bears a significant resemblance to plot elements of Vaughn's Runaways.
By the way, before they get pushed back too much further, I want to try to call everyone's attention back to the comic books and see if we can learn something more on that. Someone mentioned that Daniel mentions his favorite comics on his MySpace profile (I assume they meant the actor, Yousef). Since you can only see his profile if he's friended you, could someone who's got access tell us what those comics are?
Also, if you haven't already, please read about this matter and offer your input. It may have significant implications for the interactive aspect of the series. At the very least, it might give us the opportunity to see an alternate vision of the "Your Decision" video (if there is one). Please voice your opinion if you'd be interested. Maybe I should make a thread for that.
Edit: I've gone ahead and made a thread about it. If you're interested in asking the Creators if there's an alternate vid or are interested in seeing one, please post there. The better we compile such requests, the better idea they'll have as to how much we'd like to know or see. |
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DreamerM
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: |
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hmmmm......
Lurker, good for you on figuring out that there may be two videos. I'm not entirely conviced I have to admit, given that everything was set up to end with Bree going to Jonas's. I have a hard time believing they had seriously prepaired for a different outcome.
One thing I can promise, if there is another video, we will never see it. Continuity problems mean it can't be relesed as a part of the story, plus there is the danger of the fandom thinking the other ending has better dramatic potential and is more interesting and whinning about how iritating it is the outcome they got was so predictable.
And to be honest, that Yousef got a haircut doesn't really prove anything besides....that he got a haircut sometime before this latest video was made. It doesn't really infer two videos. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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One thing I can promise, if there is another video, we will never see it. Continuity problems mean it can't be relesed as a part of the story, plus there is the danger of the fandom thinking the other ending has better dramatic potential and is more interesting and whinning about how iritating it is the outcome they got was so predictable.
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Maybe they can sell it in the LG store! 
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| nobackspacebutton wrote: | | DreamerM wrote: |
One thing I can promise, if there is another video, we will never see it. Continuity problems mean it can't be relesed as a part of the story, plus there is the danger of the fandom thinking the other ending has better dramatic potential and is more interesting and whinning about how iritating it is the outcome they got was so predictable.
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Maybe they can sell it in the LG store! |
A DVD extra maybe?
| DreamerM wrote: | hmmmm......
Lurker, good for you on figuring out that there may be two videos. I'm not entirely conviced I have to admit, given that everything was set up to end with Bree going to Jonas's. I have a hard time believing they had seriously prepaired for a different outcome. |
I agree that this outcome was definite, but I can't help but wonder if they really didn't acknowledge that it might have gone another way.
| DreamerM wrote: | | And to be honest, that Yousef got a haircut doesn't really prove anything besides....that he got a haircut sometime before this latest video was made. It doesn't really infer two videos. |
I may not have been clear enough. Sorry.
What I mean to say is that it either means Bree was going to Jonas' without Daniel no matter what was decided here (with him specifically ignoring the decision of the forum), or they prepared for something different.
I understand what you're saying, though, with not presenting the video to us (if there's an alternate) the way they have everything else. It would have to be a different presentation than the usual way, and it would certainly have to be well after the plot's moved beyond the immediate results of the video that was shown. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| AGuyNamedJoe wrote: | | P.S. Of course, I get the symbolism of the twinkies purchase but am lost as to the meaning behind the comic book. Perhaps someone can help me out here? |
Depends on what the comic book was. |
Lurker, thank you. I now understand the significance of the comic book. It all just clicked because of something in your post.
The comic book represents Daniel's faith in the Universe to provide abundance. You are far away from home, almost broke, you don't have any idea how you will get home or how long it will take you. To prove your faith, you waste (as it would appear) your last cent on a comic book. It is as if Daniel is raising his middle finger to the plight he finds himself in because he knows all will work out. It is a gesture of the spirit, not of the mind.
Now, what is the lesson Old Dude Walter has to teach Daniel. On a spiritual journey, you don't just bump into people for no reason. |
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DreamerM
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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There is no doubt in my mind that the event was completely NON-interactive. The chat went one way. The poll went one way. It's lame.
I don't think Daniel got a haircut. I think Yousef got a haircut. They insert a segment into a video about Daniel getting a haircut to explain it away. If they'd still been living in the ally, then Daniel would explain that he found some sissors and cut his hair in an effort to feel less dirty.
It doesn't really mean much. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| AGuyNamedJoe wrote: | | Lurker wrote: |
| AGuyNamedJoe wrote: | | P.S. Of course, I get the symbolism of the twinkies purchase but am lost as to the meaning behind the comic book. Perhaps someone can help me out here? |
Depends on what the comic book was. |
Lurker, thank you. I now understand the significance of the comic book. It all just clicked because of something in your post. |
Well, I'm glad you got something out of what I said. What you said does sound like it has some merit, really, but I'd like to know if there's more we should be looking into with the whole comic book angle. I'd really like to know which comic book he bought (and which ones he might have listed on MySpace).
| DreamerM wrote: | | I don't think Daniel got a haircut. I think Yousef got a haircut. They insert a segment into a video about Daniel getting a haircut to explain it away. |
Right, but the relevant thing here is not what it means to the fictional world. I'm talking about this solely from the angle of the real world, particularly the interactive thing. You just said that you don't think there was any interactive element to the poll whatsoever. That's partly what we're digging for here. If there was no other video filmed in case the poll or Holly went a different way with the Jonas decision, then you'd be absolutely correct.
Even the small level of interaction that EliCash suggested previously (Daniel's reaction to the "forum's decision") would not have been actual interaction. That's why I think it's important that we know if there was another video.
That, and I'd like to see it if there is one. But most importantly, that would confirm for us if the poll had even as much relevance as the Nov. 28 chat. |
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DreamerM
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Ok I just gotta say something:
This latest video, Jonas's video....
....was great.
First of, it awknowledged Tacheyon's video, meaning Ophaid is not just the "official game" it means the characters themselves are canonical.
......which gives me fantasies of "gemma" uploading a new video...but this video is of a different woman, she teases about how "someone's eaten the biscuits again" says some codeystuff and closes with "Tag, your it."
And thus we'd get our first view of Tachyon, who is without a doubt the most badass character in the Breeverse. This woman's amazing. She has courage like you wouldn't believe. She's capable of breaking into even the most high-security facilities, producing and editing incredibly elaborate clue videos while always staying one step ahead of the seemingly world-wide organization that is chasing her. And she does it all with a smirk, an undaunted spirit, and a wry sense of humor. She makes it look easy.
The day when we finally get a good look at this most badass of superspies (preferably after she has JUST done something awesome like broken into the heart of thier complex and hijacked thier system just to show she can) is the day I will go around in a happy daze talking about how much this show rocks.
Jonas went from annoying and pointless to sympathetic just in this one video. I'm certain he's not evil now (yes, he could be lying, but I don't think he is), and it's fun seeing his bubbly carefree personality evaporate as he confronts this different, forgein, and alarming situation.
Gemma is a much better turncoat then he'd ever be (remember how conviced we were that he was evil?) If she's been playing them all from the start, then this show has more brains then I gave it credit for.
Explains the artificiality of Gemma's videos too. Really. No one talks about bad dates while someone they care about is living on the streets.
Come on. Really. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| DreamerM wrote: | ...Tachyon, who is without a doubt the most badass character in the Breeverse. This woman's amazing. She has courage like you wouldn't believe. She's capable of breaking into even the most high-security facilities, producing and editing incredibly elaborate clue videos while always staying one step ahead of the seemingly world-wide organization that is chasing her. And she does it all with a smirk, an undaunted spirit, and a wry sense of humor. She makes it look easy.
The day when we finally get a good look at this most badass of superspies (preferably after she has JUST done something awesome like broken into the heart of thier complex and hijacked thier system just to show she can) is the day I will go around in a happy daze talking about how much this show rocks. |
I agree with all of that. Tachyon does kick ass. Daniel's still my favorite, of course, but in plain terms of bad-ass Tachyon trumps him. Dan infiltrated Lucy's apartment when nobody was home. Tachyon apparently not only infiltrated the ranks of the Order, stole crap right out from under their nose, and then left without being captured, but is seemingly avoiding surveilance while watching the Order herself. Daniel should take some spying lessons from her.
| DreamerM wrote: | Jonas went from annoying and pointless to sympathetic just in this one video. I'm certain he's not evil now (yes, he could be lying, but I don't think he is), and it's fun seeing his bubbly carefree personality buckle down and try to figure this out.
This is good character development. Take a rich guy who exists in a happy bubble and insert a forgein element. Now he is more serious. Now he is trying to figure out what to do. |
I still don't trust him, but time will tell. |
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