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Traveler J - "Catalyst (Find Him)" [02/08/2007]
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weepel wrote:
Luminous wrote:
TO FIND IT YOU WILL HAVE TO SHIFT YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE SEQUENCE THAT GOT YOU HERE

It seems to me that the idea ist o take the DNA sequence that was decoded and then use that as a new coded message in a vigenere cipher (which is just a bunch of shifts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigen%C3%A8re_cipher). I think its just a matter of finding the key and applying it to: cgacatatgagcatggcgaccagcaccttcagtgcgcagtgtggcccggagcatcattacctggctgaa
cattcttctatttttaatggcgtcttcagccagcagcttaaaaacaaccttatctactttccctcctcctactttccctcctcccgcttgagggtaggccccatcccccccttt


I wish I understood what you are talking about Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um, just wanted to post about the "Stops". I don't see them being significant since they've been on every telegram forever... So I just suggest not looking into it too much but I mean if something comes up go for it =)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Walter probably doesn't know how to use e-mail, so he has to send telegrams. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just so everyone knows, kayokosaeki is working on a frame by frame breakdown of the Proper Introductions video. She said she'll have it posted sometime late tonight.


Yay kayokosaeki! Thank you in advance!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't solved it, but I tried somethings that may give someone else an idea, so I'm sharing what I did:

Using this tool: http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/vigenere.php

I input the "Sequence that got us here" (which was decoded by TOSG) as the message text to be decoded:

cgacatatgagcatggcgaccagcaccttcagtgcgcagtgtggcccggagcatcattacctggctgaacattcttctatttttaatggcgtcttcagccagcagcttaaaaacaaccttatctactttccctcctcctactttccctcctcccgcttgagggtaggccccatcccccccttt

I reversed it, and input the reversed sequence as the passphrase:

tttccccccctaccccggatgggagttcgccctcctccctttcatcctcctccctttcatctattccaacaaaaattcgacgaccgacttctgcggtaatttttatcttcttacaagtcggtccattactacgaggcccggtgtgacgcgtgacttccacgaccagcggtacgagtatacagc

The result I got was this:

jnhayryreyncyreewaajwuacujjrnayeaeanayeanaegjaaneynayrjharajaagnjreaaaattctajrutrntryutenjeawrnwhgcjhnjhgjrahyhhaaaawjrnuaarajatrjcancwnaaruwanawcanawawcanjrrgyageraaewwjcyncwjcjcatnr

which, while still jibberish, looks strangely related to the text from the circle stamp on Walter's telegram:

wnhwyry
aaanay
aagwehjjh
nauaj

Still working . . . . . . .
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps the text in the circled stamp is the passphrase, and the DNA sequence (or the protein sequence or some portion or variant thereof) is the text to be decoded?

That said, I tried a few things (protein sequence, DNA sequence, reverse complement, etc...), and couldn't get anything to work.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luminous wrote:


I realize I should give you more specific information, to eliminate any confusion. The video we need analyzed is by user WalterDW on Youtube, and it is called "A Proper Introduction" Here's the link -

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SrU0Im9LjNY

We have discovered there are some marks that look like letters roughly stenciled on a chalkboard. So far we have found several A's and several S's. We need to know exactly how many there are, and if there are any others we have missed. Frame count may also be important.

The other thing we have noticed are some dark grey rectangles that mimic film frames going by. This may or may not be important, but if there is a way to count them, we would like to.

And then of course anything else you see that might be a clue.

Again, thank you so much! I'm excited to see what you find Smile


ok, so there are two frames in which a partial "A" appears superimposed over a 36.




then the 36 shifts to appear twice in one frame....



...before a superimposed "S" appears for two frames




then don't forget the "GY" which shifts once after 20 frames to be on the right side




then 36 appears again for only 4 frames, just like before only the blacks are darker (i won't post a freeze frame. its just as i say) then 77 appears, shifting once like this



and then 16 frames later the "S" appears again partially



the very end is a fade in and out of the sequence "A" "S" "A" in the same stencil lettering, but i'm going to save my photo bandwidth and not post those freeze frames. its exactly as luminos previously posted

as for the dark grey rectangles that mimic the old film reel, i really see no hidden meaning in them. its just an effect. there's practically one in every frame in the beginning portion (none in the middle or end), but i counted them anyway for you: 47

hope that helps. let me know if you need anything else Very Happy [/img]
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much Kayokosaeki. This helps alot. I'm sure it means something. Now to figure out what?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TOSG wrote:
Perhaps the text in the circled stamp is the passphrase, and the DNA sequence . . . is the text to be decoded?


When you do this, decode the dna sequence with the stamp letters you get:
gttgccctgatcctgagctttttcgctxgveicicgcngvgtakyvtxzngiakgnmxcletggptiaawepmtkmptgtkxgmeccigcggcvtcukyvrxvngitkenteclcaccgtctcneymkkvpczctxpvxclvttcpcvccngyvxtmggggxkgtkileccagceccwgymkk

which looks like more dna and more jibberish.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a rather longish recap of where we are and how we got here:

Walterdw released a new video titled A Proper "Introduction"
We have learned he has left clues in this video that will ultimately lead us to his true identity. The name WalterDW is a shield he created to protect himself until we earn is trust.

At the beginning of the video, numbers and letters flash by the screen


Theresascraps discovered these lead to http://tinyurl.com/36gy77, which redirected us to craigs list where Walter had posted a string of
base64 code which translated to

We knew the Soviets had them. They were at least ten years ahead of
us. The Kirov and Sverdlovsk facilities were producing results before we
had even begun. It wasn't hard for some half-witted military drones to
weaponize the standards, although I do feel for the whitecoats. Lovett
wanted something more from us, the intellectual elite. We were to
produce a more discrete product.

gaagagcaagcgccatgttgaagccatcattaccattcacatccctcttattcctgcagctgcccctgctggg
agtggggctgaacacgacaattctgacgcccaatgggaatgaagacggatccaccacagctgtcgagtg
ggaaatctgggactggagggggctggtgagaagggtggctgtgggaaggggccgtacagagatctggt
gcctgccactggccattacaatcatgtgggcagaattgaaaagtggagtgggaagggcaagggggagg
gttccctgcctcacgctacttcttctttctttcttgtttgtttgtttctttctttcttttgaggcagggtctcactatgttg
cctaggctggtctcaaacggatcctcctggctcgactctagtgatcctcctgcctcagcctttcaaagcacca
ggattacagacatgagccaccgtgcttggcctcctccttctgaccatcatttctctttccctccctgccttcatttt
ctccccaatctagatttcttcctgaccactatgcccactgactccctcagtgtttccactctgcccctcccagga
tccgaggttcagtgttttgtgttcaatgtcgacatatgagcatggcgaccagcaccttcagtgcgcagtgtgg
cccggagcatcattacctggctgaacattcttctatttttaatggcgtcttcagccagcagcttaaaaacaac
cttatctactttccctcctcctactttccctcctcccgcttgagggtaggccccatccccccctttcgagtacatg
gatccgaattgcacttggaacagcagctctgagccccagcctaccaacctcactctgcattattggtatgag
aagggacgagggggaggggatgaagaagaggtgggttggatcagagaccaagagagagggtagca
agtctcccaggtaccccactgttttctcctggggtaagtcataagtcggttgaggggagatgaggctaggct
ctggatatctgcagtacccagattggccccactgttcctcttccttccatcgaacctttctcctctaggtacaag
aactcggataatgaggatcctaaagtccagaagtgcagccactatctattctctgaagaaatcacttctggc
tgtcagttgcaaaaaaaggagatccacctctaccaaacatttgttgttcagctccaggacccacgggaacc
caggagacaggccacacagatgctaaaactgcagaatctgggtaatttggaaagaaagggtcaagag
accagggatactgtgggacattggagtctacagagtagtgttcttttatcataagggtacatgggcagaaa
agaggaggtaggggatcatgatgggaagggaggaggtattaggggcactaccttcaggatcctgacttg
tctaggccagggtcgagaatgaccacatatgcacacatatctccagtgatcccctgggctccagagaacct
aacacttcacaaactgagtgaatcccggatccagctagaactgaactggaacaacagattcttgaaccac
tgtttggagcacttggtgcagtaccggactgactgggaccacagctggactgtgagtgactagggacgtg
aatgtagcagctaaggccaagaa

1(+8 ) 1 3(+7) 2(-1) 3(-6) 1(+4) 1(+3) 2(+3) 5 1 6 1 1(-1) 4 7 2 6 9 9 1 5 4 1 1 2 3 1 2 4 4(+1) 5(-1) 5 3 9 9 1 3 1(+1) 1 4 1(+2) 1 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 2(+1) 4 1 7 6 1 6 7 1

TOSG decoded this to find a hidden message:

"I had new hope after meeting her. I had my reels back. Three Three R Five Nine P"

which lead to another tinyurl

Leads to http://tinyurl.com/33R59P

TOSG's recap on how he did it:

Okay, here's my explanation. I wish that I had some brilliant, razor-like solution, but I'm afraid that I just used logic and persistence, with a few guiding principles.

1) Looking at a BLAST (http://130.14.29.110/BLAST/ ; look at "nblast") alignment of the sequence, I saw that there were three large regions of human DNA, and two regions of DNA sequence that did not match with any known DNA source.

2) So, I hypothesized, as before, that the unmatched DNA was likely where the message was encoded (as Walter could have free reign to encode any message he liked there, rather than being constrained to a given sequence of human DNA).

3) Thus, I manually removed most of the regions that had homology with the human DNA, so I could focus on the (in my estimation) important part of the sequence.

4) So, I made a restriction map of this sequence (on the NEBCutter 2.0 program), showing all the restriction enzymes that cut the sequence.

5) I noticed that BamHI was a double-cutter of this sequence (BamHI is a commonly used enzyme, so that tipped me off), and removed the rest of two of the human DNA regions. So, I cut the DNA with that.

6) I then looked at this fragment in NEBCutter, again.

7) Given the clue that TaqI might be used (see my previous post), I searched for that, and found that it cut three times.

I counted up that Walter had given instructions for decoding 61 letters, so I looked for a DNA fragment that was 61*3 = 183 bases long.

9) Awesome! I found that two of the TaqI cut sites combined to leave behind a 183-base pair sequence!

10) I put this sequence into a protein translator, and then grinded away at decoding the letters, according to the same principles as last time.

So, there you have it! Probably not the most elegant way to do it, but it worked, and pretty fast.

For the curious, the DNA sequence is: cgacatatgagcatggcgaccagcaccttcagtgcgcagtgtggcccggagcatcattacctggctgaa
cattcttctatttttaatggcgtcttcagccagcagcttaaaaacaaccttatctactttccctcctcctactttccctcctcccgcttgagggtaggccccatcccccccttt

And the protein sequence is: R H M S M A T S T F S A Q C G P E H H Y L A E H S S I F N G V F S Q Q L K N N L I Y F P S S Y F P S S R L R V G P I P P F

this second tinyurl lead us to a telegram from WD


MY NEW ACQUAINTANCES
I FEAR THAT I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO TRUST YOU STOP
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO PROPERLY CUT THE DNA STOP
I AM SURPRISED STOP
THE FIRST CUT MAY BE THE DEEPEST, BUT THE SECOND ENZYME WAS MORE SIGNIFICANT STOP
I SUPPOSE THAT IT IS TIME THAT I LET YOU KNOW MY FULL IDENTITY STOP
TO FIND IT YOU WILL HAVE TO SHIFT YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE SEQUENCE THAT GOT YOU HERE STOP

With these letters stamped on the paper

wnhwyry
aaanay
aagwehjjh
nauaj


The paper the telegram was written on had a number 11226 or possibly 11228 cut off at the top of the paper. Originally I thought they might mean something, but now my thought is they were just random arbitrary numbers on the paper, although I suppose it's possible he could have used them as a key to encode something. But probably not. We have learned we have a vigenere cipher which requires letters for the passphrase, not numbers.

We have taken so long in decoding this and finding Walters true identity, that he gave us a hint through a change in his profile "You act as if I gave you a chiffre indéchiffrable" (French for 'the unbreakable cipher') and which is understood to be a Vigenère cipher.

In order to uncover the true Identity of WalterDW, we must decipher this Vigenère cipher he left us in the telegram.

Hope this makes sense and is helpful to everyone Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blahblablee wrote:
Um, just wanted to post about the "Stops". I don't see them being significant since they've been on every telegram forever... So I just suggest not looking into it too much but I mean if something comes up go for it =)


Thanks. It sounds like you must know something about decoding DNA.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am going nuts! I cannot figure out the key.


Helpful site: http://sharkysoft.com/misc/vigenere/
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

janesalteredstates wrote:
I am going nuts! I cannot figure out the key.


Helpful site: http://sharkysoft.com/misc/vigenere/

Ah, sharky's site is back up. It was down for a bit. Unfiction.com has some useful tools also.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow guys. Truely awesome work.

Luminous, that recap is excellent, any chance it can be copied/moved to the start of the thread??

Again, awesome guys.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mellie3204 wrote:
Wow guys. Truely awesome work.

Luminous, that recap is excellent, any chance it can be copied/moved to the start of the thread??

Again, awesome guys.



Thank you. Embarassed Need a moderator to handle that request - maybe Trainer? That might help breathe some new life into this. I fear we are failing Walter, and the old fart is 87. We've gotta handle this before we loose him Shocked
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