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[Discussion] Semiotics Contents: Image/Symbols
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:02 pm    Post subject: [Discussion] Semiotics Contents: Image/Symbols Reply with quote

Password: stratemeyer576
How the password was found: Stratemeyer is the founder of the Nancy Drew series. 576 is from the syllables of the incorrect haiku on Tachyon's note.

There's a folder called: igel tsetop non tse mucearG
Backwards: Graecum est non potest legi
Latin for: It is Greek; it cannot be read

Inside the folder are three files:

4c4947415455524553
Hex for: LIGATURES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligature_%28typography%29

add .jpg and open it to get:



Top left: Omicron and Tau combined
Top right: Phoenician Gimel [as pointed out by Tigerlilylynn] next to Sigma
Bottom Left: Theta on top of Mu [Watcher Symbol]
Bottom right: Theta on top of Pi



414d414c47414d4154494f4e
Hex for: AMALGAMATION
Dictionary.com definitions for amalgamate:
1. to mix or merge so as to make a combination; blend; unite; combine: to amalgamate two companies.
2. Metallurgy. to mix or alloy (a metal) with mercury.

add .jpg and open it to get:



Top Left: Theta
Bottom Left: Though the watcher symbol on the right would imply that it should be Mu, the flat top makes it appear more like Epsilon spun 90 degress [as pointed out by klgglk]
Bottom Left: Theta on top of Mu [Watcher Symbol]



53454d414e54494b4f53
Hex for: SEMANTIKOS
Note: Semantikos is semantics, not semiotics.

add .txt and open it to get:

Quote:
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yBzeW1ib2wgZm9yIHdhdGVyLiBTbyB0aGUgU3VuIGVxdWFscyBSYS4
uLmFuZCB0aGUgd2F0ZXIgZXF1YWxzIE5hdW5ldD8gT3IgbWF5YmUg
UG9zZWlkb24/IFdoZW4gY29tYmluZWQgdGhpcyAid2F0Y2hlciIgc3ltY
m9sIGVzdGFibGlzaGVzIHRoYXQgdGhlIE9yZGVyIHJ1bGVzIGFuZCB3Y
XRjaGVzIG92ZXIgYWxsIHRoYXQgZXhpc3RzIGluIGJldHdlZW4uDQoN
ClRoZXRhIGlzIHRoZSA4dGggbGV0dGVyLCBNdSBpcyB0aGUgMTJ0aC
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gIlRoYW5hdG9zLCIgYW5kIGNvbnNpZGVyZWQgYSB3YXJuaW5nIG9m
IGRlYXRoLg0K


Base64 -> text

Quote:
The Theta is similar to an Egyptian symbol that represents the Sun, and the Mu was derived from the Egyptian hieroglyphic symbol for water. So the Sun equals Ra...and the water equals Naunet? Or maybe Poseidon? When combined this "watcher" symbol establishes that the Order rules and watches over all that exists in between.

Theta is the 8th letter, Mu is the 12th. So that's one more 12, but the 8 = ?.

Theta was also used as an abbreviation for "Thanatos," and considered a warning of death.


Theta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta
Mu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28letter%29
Ra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
Naunet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naunet
Poseidon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseidon
Thanatos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanatos

Greek Alphabet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet

- - - -

So lets figure it out and tell her.

What's that symbol on the bottom right of LIGATURES?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's Theta on top ofEta, the same way the Watcher symbol is Theta on top of Mu.

The top left symbol looks like a combination of "Phi" and "Tau" overlayed, and the one on the right looks like the phoenician character for "Lambda" smooshed together with "Sigma"?

That last one resembles the "AE."
http://en.wikipediaiki/%C3%86



Edit: So as not to confuse people any more than they already freakin' are.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PinkoLady wrote:
The top left symbol in the first picture looks like a combination of "Phi" and "Tau" overlayed, and the second looks like... maybe "Alpha" smooshed together with "Sigma"? Either way, it resembles the "AE."


a phi would need a line at the bottom as well. It looks like an "omicron" that's been intersected with a tau. The other symbol looks like a capital Lambda which is leaning into a sigma.

for the second pic, the circle with a dot in it has been a solar symbol for ages and is currently used as the symbol for the sun in astrology and other sundry concepts. The capital mu looks like an m, so I assume that's where the M figure in the second pic comes from.

and i missed the part where this was meant for Bree. still seems needlessly complicated. i understand when she was leaving drops for Brother and was concenred about others intercepting it and decoding this contents (aheem...)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I amended that Alpha to Lamda--- but an Phi does not have a line at the bottom. The line going through it extends downwards, but that wouldn't make a difference if it was overlayed-- though it does look rounder like an Omicron.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ligature: (Wiki)
"Before the days of printing, scribes made use of a number of ligatures to save space, in Greek as in other languages. The ligature for ου resembling a V above an O is still sometimes seen. For a modern use of this in the Latin alphabet, see Ou (letter)

In printed 17th-century English works, there sometimes occurs a ligature of Οσ (a small sigma inside a capital omega) for a terminal "os".

Phoenician alphabet: (side by side with Greek counterparts)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet#Main_alphabet
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen those symbols somewhere before... I can't remember where... I know I've seen them... But where...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were takened from me. Those symbols were mine, they were in my head and they were takened! I know they were! They were there and now they are not so they mustve been takened!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



ok so i started playing around with the pic n theres a face on the left lol

theres the same on the other but i cant get it very clearly

edit: i know its not useful so i found it cool so ner ner
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my theory, top right, first glyph. (all factoids from wiki)

Gimel - Phonecian on Sigma - Greek

Sigma: The letter is ultimately derived from Phoenician Sin.
--Sin (Shin): The Proto-Sinaitic glyph, and possibly its Proto-Canaanite descendant glyph, according to William Albright and Brian Colless, may have been based on the hieroglyph for the uraeus in Semitic called shamash "sun" (also the meaning of the rune Sigel).

Gimel: In gematria, Gimel represents the number three.

It is written like a vav with a yud as a 'foot', and it resembles a person in motion; symbolically, a rich man running after a poor man to give him charity: Gimmel directly precedes dalet in the Hebrew alphabet, and this which signifies a poor/lowly man, from the Hebrew word dal.

The word gimel is related to gemul, which means justified repayment, or the giving of reward and punishment.

Gimmel is also one of the seven letters which receive a special crown (called a tagin) when written in a Sefer Torah. See Shin, Ayin, Teth, Nun, Zayin, and Tzadi.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crazy lookin'. Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iamcool wrote:
ok so i started playing around with the pic n theres a face on the left lol

theres the same on the other but i cant get it very clearly

edit: i know its not useful so i found it cool so ner ner


That's creepy and/or would make a sweet album cover. Should be considered for the Tachyon Theme single.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tigerlilylynn wrote:

Gimel: In gematria, Gimel represents the number three.


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Theta is the 8th letter, Mu is the 12th. So that's one more 12, but the 8 = ?.


8+3=11

"one more"

11+1=12? Confused

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RE: Another 12

Are the ceremonies every 12 years?

Tachyon, a couple of years older than Bree, went on the run young when her sister was tapped for the ceremony. The spacing may work. 12 may be a mystic number for the order.

Side note: I've seen talk of the top right glyph containing Lamda tilted. I do not think the character is adjusted. I think that, since we were told that the watcher symbol comes from 2 languages then we may find these other glyphs to be compounds from different alphabets.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tigerlilylynn wrote:
a rich man running after a poor man to give him charity


Jonas running after Daniel?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tigerlilylynn wrote:
The spacing may work. 12 may be a mystic number for the order.


i know that the order isnt of any especific religion but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_%28number%29#In_religion
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