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deagol
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I'm really having trouble with his "handholding" 
| Quote: | From: TravelerJ19 [videos (9) | favorites (0) | friends (0)]
Sent: March 29, 2007
Subject: Re: Re: O's and C
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Forget the O's, they've done their job. Base your next move on the numbers you have with the C you put in there.
DeagolTheStoor wrote:
> 12-C is carbon, and the O's are 6 protons and 6 neutrons?
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Ziola
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To be honest, I have the feeling that TJ and I share a brain... 
He screws up these puzzles as much as I would  |
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| lg15panda wrote: | | Also I just want to give deagol and I.Mouse props for sticking with this sucky puzzle and dealing with TJ's handholding as he make you guys blunder around to find a solution. You guys are awesome. I bow to your mighty talent! |
Thank you. Deagol did most of the work though, I concentrated on the blundering.  Video was awesome. Can't wait for Walter to return, I miss being snarked at.
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| deagol wrote: | I'm really having trouble with his "handholding"
| Quote: | From: TravelerJ19 [videos (9) | favorites (0) | friends (0)]
Sent: March 29, 2007
Subject: Re: Re: O's and C
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Forget the O's, they've done their job. Base your next move on the numbers you have with the C you put in there.
DeagolTheStoor wrote:
> 12-C is carbon, and the O's are 6 protons and 6 neutrons?
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Oh good, another onion layer. So now we're working from:
| Code: | | 6(-a) 6(+b) 6(-a) 12(-c) 6(-a) 12(-c) 6(-a) 12(-c) 6(-a) 6(-d) 6(-a) 12(-c) |
or its numeric equivalent:
| Code: | | 6(-6) 6(+1) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 6(-5) 6(-6) 12(-4) |
with a hint to use base-N arithmetic, for some N most likely 6 or 12 given past behavior, although we can't rule out our old friend 8. Those 6's make it unlikely to be base 6. Tum te tum.
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deagol
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Removing all the symbols (,),+,- from the number key:
66 61 66 124 66 124 66 124 66 65 66 124
Interpreted as decimal ascii, B=B|B|B|BAB|
Looks sort of like a song structure... and, that original key for the shifts was a b a c a c a c a d a c.
Please, don't make us analyze the song structures on that stupid album. I think I never want to hear an ukelele again in my life.
Edit: I'm not running this idea by TJ, because I honestly feel embarrassed from it. What a shame, Team J and the things we had achieved, to come to this. Also, I'm a bit afraid of a positive answer.
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Luminous
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| deagol wrote: | Removing all the symbols (,),+,- from the number key:
66 61 66 124 66 124 66 124 66 65 66 124
Interpreted as decimal ascii, B=B|B|B|BAB|
Looks sort of like a song structure... and, that original key for the shifts was a b a c a c a c a d a c.
Please, don't make us analyze the song structures on that stupid album. I think I never want to hear an ukelele again in my life. |
This is flippin insane  I am soooo lost!
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Luminous
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Ok, so I just finished running around the house flailing my arms and screaming wildly, followed by a short session of beating my head against the wall  
I'm taking a deep breath and I'm ready to ask a couple of questions.
| deagol wrote: |
Interpreted as decimal ascii, B=B|B|B|BAB|
Looks sort of like a song structure...
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So Deag, how do you get a song structure out of this? I'm a little dense. I don't see it.
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and, that original key for the shifts was a b a c a c a c a d a c.
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Hmmm. have to think about what to do with that.
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deagol
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| Quote: | From: TravelerJ19 [videos (9) | favorites (0) | friends (0)]
Sent: March 30, 2007
Subject: Re: Re: O's and C
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That is the only sequence you need. Some of the numbers you are using have an obvious similarity that will tell you how to deal with everything else you have. I'm not sure what else to tell you. I'm getting nervous about hanging on to these vials for so long.
DeagolTheStoor wrote:
> Ok, 6(-6) 6(+1) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-C) 6(-6) 6(-5) 6(-6) 12(-4)
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> Sorry, nothings coming to me.
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| Quote: | | Perhaps we're not smart enough to know what to do with the vials, after all. |
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Luminous
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| deagol wrote: |
DeagolTheStoor wrote:
> Ok, 6(-6) 6(+1) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-C) 6(-6) 6(-5) 6(-6) 12(-4)
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So you replaced the -0 in the sequence with -C and Traveler gave it the OK?
Would that now make the sequence:
6(-6) 6(+1) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 6(-5) 6(-6) 12(-4)
if C = 4?
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deagol
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| He's been Ok-ing that C in place of the zero for a while now. |
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Luminous
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| deagol wrote: | | He's been Ok-ing that C in place of the zero for a while now. |
Sorry, I'm just catching up - had to step away for a bit, it was making my brain hurt.
So what we have is
6(-6) 6(+1) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 6(-5) 6(-6) 12(-4)
and OOOOOOOCOOOO
Is that correct?
or is it OOOOOOOOOOOO?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Luminous wrote: | So what we have is
6(-6) 6(+1) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 6(-5) 6(-6) 12(-4)
and OOOOOOOCOOOO
Is that correct?
or is it OOOOOOOOOOOO? |
It's OOOOOOOCOOOO, but we've been told we can discard that now, we're just left with the numbers. All that decoding was just to replace a -1 by a +1, and a -0 by a -4. Hurumph.
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Luminous
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| ignatzmouse wrote: | | Hurumph. |
lol
So all we have to work with now is this number sequence?
6(-6) 6(+1) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 6(-5) 6(-6) 12(-4)
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ignatzmouse
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| Luminous wrote: | So all we have to work with now is this number sequence?
6(-6) 6(+1) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 6(-5) 6(-6) 12(-4) |
Yes, although there are some slight variants:
6(-6) 6(+1) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-C) 6(-6) 6(-5) 6(-6) 12(-4)
6(-6) 6(+1) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(4) 6(-6) 6(-5) 6(-6) 12(-4)
6(-6) 6(+1) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(-4) 6(-6) 12(C) 6(-6) 6(-5) 6(-6) 12(-4)
depending on quite how the "C"-to-"-0" swap is done.
Also, this is using the number string with a "fixed" second entry. If we use the original "broken" number string, then that 6(+1) becomes 6(-1).
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