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[Brooklyn]

Was Aleister Crowley a Satanist?

This is one of the most common misconceptions about Aleister Crowley. If by this question one means, did Crowley worship the being commonly known to Christians as Satan, the answer is an unequivocal no. Crowley's ideas of deity did not fit the typical mold; in his views, gods were symbolic of forces and powers to aid the spiritual explorer in his theurgic journey. Crowley at no time believed in a living demonic being deserving of worship. Crowley's religious practice, as it were, was inherently theurgic, dedicated solely to self discovery. Crowley espoused no dogma relating to god or gods and generally despised blind worship and dogmatic belief.

Was Crowley a Black Magician?

Certainly not. See above. Crowley's magick, as explored in voluminous writings, was centered on theurgic self discovery, self mastery, and experience of the divine. Crowley's "Law of Thelema" expressly forbids interference with the will of another, making black magick an impossibility. Said Crowley of Black magicians:

"To practice black magic you have to violate every principle of science, decency and intelligence . You must be obsessed with an insane idea of the importance of the petty object or your wretched and selfish desires ... I despise the thing to such an extent that I can hardly believe in the existence of people so debased and idiotic as to practice it."

Did Crowley really sacrifice children?

No. Most of the rumors concerning "child sacrifice" stem from disingenuous misquoting of a passage from his book Magick in Theory and Practice:

"For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim. "

Even though he is quoting someone else, taken out of context, this seems pretty damning. However, Crowley was in fact discussing ritual masturbation, which he believed constituted a form of "sacrifice," according to the old biblical idea of preventing contraception by "spilling seed." As he explains in his footnote on the same page, "... 'It is the sacrifice of oneself spiritually. And the intelligence and innocence of that male child are the perfect understanding of the Magician, his one aim, without lust of result. And male he must be, because what he sacrifices is not the material blood, but his creative power.' ..."

In reality, Crowley considered even abortion to be a crime and certainly never advocated child murder, which is quite evident if one delves into his writings.

Human sacrifice would also be against Crowley's "Law of Thelema," which considers it a grave sin to interfere with the will of another person. This of course takes all the fun out of it for the hysterics, who continue to gleefully recount this passage as a literal truth.

For more on this topic, see: Crowley and Tantric Magick :The Beast Demystified

But didn't Crowley say "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law?"

Certainly he did, this statement and its corollary "Love is the Law, Love under Will" are the underpinnings of Crowley's philosophy of Thelema. Yet "Do what thou wilt" was never given as a license to party and pillage. To Crowley, "Will" was one's dharma, the fulfillment of one's universal destiny. While he wasn't the strongest advocate of 'turning the other cheek,' he never implied that it was okay to do whatever your impulses lead you to do- that would in fact be the opposite of the Law of Thelema, which requires one to aspire to absolute self realization.

An explanation of the "Law of Thelema" from a Thelemic perspective.

Did Crowley author early Wiccan rituals?

Yes but it is pretty clear he never did so intentionally. Wicca founder Gerald Gardner was an initiate of the OTO under Crowley, material that material used in Gardner's third degree Wiccan initiation ritual is lifted directly from Crowley's "Gnostic Mass," written for the OTO in 1913.

Did Crowley invent the "Unicursal Hexagram?"

No. The emblem was created by the Golden Dawn and adapted by Crowley for his own use. For more, see: Unicursal Hexagram


Did Crowley call himself the "Great Beast 666" and the "Anti-Christ?"

Yes. However, in doing so, Crowley did not make that claim in the sense that evangelical Christians understand it. Crowley believed in an orderly procession of ages (equinoctial or precessional ages), in which each successive age superceded the last and delineated the spiritual development of mankind. Crowley envisioned the age of the "dying God" to be at an end, and a new era of self-determination to be emergent. This emergent Aeon was defined by the child-God Horus, and the gnostic Lucifer, a Promethean figure who defied religious dogma in favor of individual discovery and self-determination. A good number of his references to himself as the "Beast" were allegorical, and others were meant as a bit of an in-joke and to titillate the shocked Victorians who reacted with exaggerated outrage at his "exploits." At no time did he consider himself in league with the forces of evil against the Will of God. (Crowley often remarked that it was not possible to go against the will of God) The "magickal name" he preferred for himself was Perdurabo, I will endure- doesn't sound terribly Satanic, does it.

Was Crowley bisexual? Homosexual?

Probably not. While Crowley certainly practiced sexual rituals with both men and women, his romantic relationships were with women. While praising the magical uses of certain forms of intercourse, the power of these rituals lay in their 'tabooness.' He expressed personal distaste for 'recreational' homosexuality.

Was Crowley a crossdresser?

Evidence says yes, but whether this was an aspect of his personality or another attempt at bucking Victorian mores is undetermined. It is known the Crowley did like to assume the persona of "Alice," which must have been a sight to see.

Was Crowley a drug addict?

Crowley experimented magically with a number of substances, and wrote many paeans to hashish, absinthe, and other drugs. He was at one time addicted to heroin, which was prescribed to him for his asthma, as was quite common at the time.




So there you have it... No sacrafice...!

[rachelalexis]

Very intriguing and enlightening. Just imagine how easy it was to be demonized in those days.

However accurate all this may be, in context of this story it's going to end up painting Crowley the way that the writers percieve him and his religion, not necessarilly according to fact. Not that I truly have an opinion one way or the other on how evil he may or may not have been, it just seems that the references that have been found quickly here all paint the "evilest man in the world" picture, which is likely what the creators would have seen if they were doing research. And with them driving the story it's just how the cookie crumbles. The negative stuff always pulls more interest unfortunately.

By the way, bravo for the devil at the end
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[lordgreystoke422]

HYMN TO LUCIFER
by Aleister Crowley

Ware, nor of good nor ill, what aim hath act?
Without its climax, death, what savour hath
Life? An impeccable machine, exact
He paces an inane and pointless path
To glut brute appetites, his sole content
How tedious were he fit to comprehend
Himself! More, this our noble element
Of fire in nature, love in spirit, unkenned
Life hath no spring, no axle, and no end.

His body a blood-ruby radiant
With noble passion, sun-souled Lucifer
Swept through the dawn colossal, swift aslant
On Eden’s imbecile perimeter.
He blessed nonentity with every curse
And spiced with sorrow the dull soul of sense,
Breath life into the sterile universe,
With Love and Knowledge drove out innocence
The Key of Joy is disobedience

[Sfonzarelli]

Don't make me repost my Lucifer post.

[lordgreystoke422]

Fonz....post away bud..and I'll fire back with stuff about Crowley signing stuff with 666 and as THE BEAST.... He definitely TRIED at least at times to identify himself with Satan/lucifer. Also..we live in a Judeo-christian society so..it is socially accepted that Lucifer refers to the devil. As Crowley was the son of a devout christian(I think a preacher no less)...he was WELL aware of how LUCIFER was percieved. Crowley played both sides at nearly every thing he did...

[Sfonzarelli]

But he intelligently analyzed what "Lucifer" meant.

I'm not denying that he intentionally made himself seem Satanic. Of course he did. And it was awesome.

[actorderick]

you must have copied this from somewhere. could you please tell us where from?

[Louis]

[quote="actorderick"]you must have copied this from somewhere. could you please tell us where from?[/quote]

This can be found on the OTO website. However it is an excellent post. The reality is that Crowley founded a new religion which in not Satanic. The fact that he played with the idea of Satan and practiced Magick is responsible for his being thought of as a Satanist. Was he at one time a Satanist? Most likely yes. He was also a Buddhist and a Christian. The Christian world will always paint him and OTO as a Satanic because of the practice of Magick. They believe that all Magick both white and black come from the Devil. Are they right? Well that depends on your belief system. If you are a Christian them you would likely consider Crowley's practices and those of OTO to be Satanic.

[gogo]

All I know about Crowley is what I have learned on these boards, as well as some superficial information from quick research for these videos.

This dualistic view of Crowley leads me to believe that although we may see the "shrine" to Crowley on Bree's dresser as a sign of dark and dangerous evil, it may not be as dark as some feared. There is obvious mystery, and there are still many unanswered questions. However, Bree's ceremony might not turn out to be as dangerous as some were led to believe (i.e. virginal sacrifices, horrible deaths, etc.).

This is pretty interesting. Please keep sharing.

[Brooklyn]

I actually found a whole bunch of *clear* information on the ASK.COM websites about all this religion blibber blabber...

[BrethrenPedia]