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They'll Do Anything

2007-10-14T20:46:45Z

JayHenry: /* Notes */ note about California law

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| description = Sonia thought she was alone, but we combined each other's footage to show you what happened. - Daniel
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==Transcript==
(''Sonia is sitting in a car.'')

'''Sonia:''' So, uhm, I'm alone now. Totally alone. No Carl, no Hymn of One, nobody. I thought that Jonas and Daniel wanted to help. I thought that they wanted to fight the Order. I guess I was wrong. They're moving her tonight. And this is probably my only chance. But I'll do whatever it takes.

(''The [[adopting couple]] and a [[Deacon]] are standing outside a house with a [[Ceremony Baby]] in a carrier. A [[Watcher]] is standing in the street keeping watch.'')

'''Sonia:''' Quick get the baby in the house! Get the baby in the house! Get the baby in the house!

(''Sonia's footage shows the Watcher running towards the house with Jonas's car driving behind him. Daniel's footage shows shows their car driving towards the Watcher.'')

'''Daniel:''' Just hit him! Hit him!

(''Jonas runs down the Watcher.'')

'''Sonia:''' Hurry!

'''Daniel:''' (''kicking Watcher'') Stay down.

'''Jonas:''' Is he down?

'''Daniel:''' Go go! (''Jonas approaches house with gun drawn'') Be careful, man.

(''The Deacon that was standing with the adopting couple, in [[sunglasses]], comes out of house.'')

'''Jonas:''' Get down! Get out here, come over here! And get down.

'''Deacon:''' You're not going to get the baby.

'''Jonas:''' Get down!

'''Deacon:''' What are you doing?

'''Jonas:''' Just get the fuck down!

'''Deacon:''' All right, but you're still not gonna get the baby.

'''Watcher:''' (''approaching'') Jonas!

'''Jonas:''' (''aiming gun at Deacon'') Don't come any closer or I will shoot him.

'''Deacon:''' You're not going to get the baby.

'''Watcher:''' Get away from him!

'''Jonas:''' Back up!

'''Daniel:''' Don't do anything stupid, man.

(''Watcher shoots the Deacon; blood splatters on the camera lens'')

'''Jonas:''' Jesus! Drop it!

'''Daniel:''' Get down, man, you get down!

'''Jonas:''' I know what I'm doing! Drop it!

'''Watcher:''' Sonia, Sonia, you know why I'm here. Give me the baby.

'''Sonia:''' (''coming out of house with baby in a carrier'') Put the gun down! Back up if you want this baby to be safe!

'''Daniel:''' Is she okay?

'''Jonas:''' Put it down, put it down.

'''Watcher:''' Fine, fine, just don't hurt her.

'''Jonas:''' Kick it over to me, kick it over.

(''Watcher kicks the gun towards Jonas.'')

'''Jonas:''' Good job. Get the fuck down. You think this is funny? I'm not fucking with you! Get down!

'''Daniel:''' C'mon Jonas, let's go! Jonas, grab the baby!

'''Watcher:''' You're making a mistake.

'''Jonas:''' You're making a mistake. Shut the fuck up.

'''Daniel:''' C'mon man, just get in the car, go go go - get in, get in!

(''They drive away. Cut to Sonia getting back in car without the baby.'')

'''Jonas:''' Everything okay?

'''Sonia:''' Yeah, the baby's gonna be fine, just drive.
==Notes==
*Sonia drove her car to the scene and left with Jonas, leaving her car behind.
*This video was posted on a Saturday, a rare weekend posting.
*California law states a mother may abandon her baby if it is less than a month old at a government building such as a police station or a hospital without any questioning. However, if the baby is more than a month old, the mother will be traced down and possibly arrested.
* California law also states that it's illegal to murder people, but whatever, reality went out the window a ''long'' time ago.
*The title of the video, "They'll Do Anything" could be referring to the Order doing anything to keep the child, or could refer to the TAAG doing anything in order to kidnap the baby.

Bree

2007-09-27T03:51:31Z

JayHenry: now that she is dead forever and ever this page should be good

{{Cleanup}}
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| name = Bree
| image = Bree-BlogGirl.jpg
| age = 17 (deceased)
| birthday = October 26th, 1989
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| actor = [[Jessica Lee Rose]]
| first = [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]]
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'''Bree Avery''' (October 26, 1989 —August 3, 2007) a.k.a. '''lonelygirl15''' is the star of the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]], friend and (past) love interest to [[Daniel]] (a.k.a. Danielbeast) and queen of the "[[Proving Science Wrong (series)|Proving Science Wrong]]" skits. The backstory of this vivacious young homeschooler has been shrouded in much mystery, each episode revealing bits and pieces of her life and the current situations she is facing. Much speculation has been put forth in the viewing community about a [[Hymn of One|religion]] she is reluctant to speak openly about. Bree's adventures revolved around running from The Order, dismembering The Order and attempting to escape from the Ceremony, a secret and mysterious ritual where certain young girls who have a certain life-saving blood type are disillusioned by a facade of happiness via the false religion The Hymn of One.

==Past Travels==
In [[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]], Bree gave a little rundown of all her travels. According to Bree, she was born in America, and moved to New Zealand when she was eight years old. While there, her family lived in a [[commune]] next to a small town. At age ten, Bree's family visited the Northern Territory of Australia. At the age of twelve, they moved to Nottinghamshire England, and resided there for two years. After England, they finally settled down in their Californian home in the United States.

==School==
Bree has mentioned many times that she was homeschooled, but she referenced in episodes that she previously attended traditional public schooling at least two times. First in New Zealand, where she was pulled from public schools after her parents witnessed the lack of discipline and again in the United States. In school she made two friends, [[Cassie]] and [[Daniel]]. Cassie was uncomfortable with Bree's religion and stopped hanging out with her after she left public school. Daniel and Bree stayed best friends.

Bree's parents pulled her out when she became the subject of ridicule, rumors, and hostilities from fellow classmates. In [[Poor Pluto]] Bree says that students made fun of her for asking too many astronomy questions in a science class. They started calling her [[Stargirl]] and when she continued asking questions they suggested she was having a relationship with the teacher. Daniel later said in [[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]] that he did not think the teasing was that big of a deal. Bree had remarked in comments to her YouTube videos that she'd like to go back to public school.

Bree is interested in astronomy, quantum physics, history, and evolution . Her studies are quite advanced for a secondary education level.

==Video Logging==
[[Image:Breemontage.jpg|thumb|right|285px|Freeze frames of Bree from her video blogs.]]
Bree posted her [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails|first video]] on June 16, 2006 on the video sharing site [[YouTube]]. With the help of her best friend Daniel, she opened her life to the thousands of users of YouTube. While her first five videos were playful, she was willing to post [[My Parents Suck...]], opening her feelings to several viewers.

Tensions began to run high between Daniel and her when Bree was asked to perform a Ceremony later in the fall. Along with several other fans, Daniel was curious that the Ceremony was nothing good, and began to follow Bree and her Helper, [[Lucy]] to see if something was afoot. After posting videos of him following her, Bree got after Daniel for stalking, and she asked him not to do so. Nevertheless, Daniel continued to do so for her own good.

On October 12th, 2006, Daniel followed Bree to a nearby forest where he believed he witnessed her performing the Ceremony. Bree's videos following the event appeared to have confirmed this, until Daniel and fans noticed she still had gauze on her arm, which began to raise questions. These questions were validated when Bree posted the video [[I Lied To Daniel]], where she admitted that the event that took place on October 12th was nothing more than a fake Ceremony to draw Daniel into the open. It was this that began to make Bree question her faith, having come to the conclusion that she couldn't understand why they took pictures of Daniel.

As a result, she went to her parents for help, and they told her she didn't have to perform the Ceremony. While Bree's parents were supportive, the higher ups of her faith - the Deacons - felt that it was [[Life's Not Fair|unacceptable to back out]] of the Ceremony so late in the game. As a result, Bree's parents told her to stay at Daniel's for a while why they discussed with the Deacons further.

Little did Bree and Daniel know that the Deacons would actually take her parents with them soon after. With a note hidden in Purple Monkey from her father telling her leave the house with Daniel, Bree began her life on the run from the Order.

==Life On the Run==
While they originally traveled from motel to motel, both Bree and Daniel became desperate enough to where they began living off the streets. Unsure of what to next, and finally breaking down, the two asked for advice on what to do next. [[Gemma]], Bree's friend from England told them it would be best if they simply went home. A new face, [[Jonas]], suggested they come stay with him, for he had a large empty house to himself and enough money to help them out.

While Bree wanted to go to Jonas immediately, Daniel thought it was best to ask their friends on [[lonelygirl15.com]], who have been following Bree and Daniel via their video logs since the beginning. After coming to a vote, fans suggested that it was best if they both go to Jonas.

[[Image:Christmas 2006.jpg|thumb|right|210px|X-Mas 2006 - Owen's a great photographer!]]
As they arrived at the meeting area, Daniel decided that he wasn't willing to go to Jonas, despite what Bree or their online friends had chose. The day ended with Bree going with Jonas and Daniel heading home. However by [[Christmas Surprise|Christmas morning]], Daniel changed his mind and joined Bree and Jonas.

While with Jonas, Bree made contact with her [[Drew Avery|father]], who left a [[Bree Phone Home puzzle|coded message]], telling her that he had to meet her alone. Soon after Christmas, Bree disappeared to meet him. Daniel and Jonas just managed to crack the code themselves in time to catch up with Bree and her father. They just managed to rescue Bree when her father was shot by members of the Order.

(It has since been revealed that before her father died, Bree's father was trying to get Bree to meet a Dr. [[Isaac Gilman]], who was working with him to change Bree's blood to "trait negative." On the same day Bree's father was killed, Gilman died from a mysterious car crash.)

After that murderous day, the Trio went back to Jonas's house where Bree refused to talk about what happened for several days. Bree also rejected Daniel's attempts to advance their on-and-off relationship, which caused Daniel to go to the local bar, trying to meet the local girls but only getting drunk. On his second trip to Pins & Pints, Daniel was kidnapped by the Order and [[Miss Me?|held ransom]] to force Bree into doing the Ceremony.

With the help of [[Tachyon]] and Brother, Bree and Jonas were able to rescue Daniel. However, the Order soon found the location of Jonas's home, and they were forced to flee to a cabin. While there, Bree began to believe that Jonas was part of the Order. (Indeed he did have a [[On The Road Again|connection to the Order]], though it wasn't malicious.) Before she knew the truth, she tied Jonas up and was willing to leave him at the Cabin.

In early March, the Trio decided to investigate further by seeking out Jonas's Aunt [[Alex]]. They soon broke into her house and discovered that Alex was actually very much part of the Order. Leaving Alex, the Trio traveled to Las Vegas where they were captured by a [[Shadow]] and then drugged, and interrogated by members of the Order. After [[Communication Terminated|escaping]], they decided to follow Alex into Mexico. There, they learned from her that [[The Perfect Beach|the Order no longer needed Bree]].

They soon fled Mexico and into an old Resistance bunker in the second half of April, where Bree began to search out the possibility that the Order had found another girl to perform the Ceremony. Coming to the conclusion that the Order had chosen [[Jules|Julia Anderson]] to perform the Ceremony, the Trio journeyed to Zavalla, Texas to try and stop her. There, she met up with [[Taylor]] and [[Sarah]], who were willing to help Bree save Julia. Unfortunately, Julia contacted the Order and Bree agreed to [[What the F*@k???|go with them]] in Julia's stead.

After her surrender, Bree was apparently brainwashed and filmed [[Sing With Me|promotional videos]] for the Hymn of One. While Bree was apparently content with fellow members of the Hymn of One, there appeared to be someone on the [[TCC|inside]] communicating to Daniel and Jonas.

Daniel and Jonas utilized the clues from this mysterious informant to successfully rescue Bree from the Order, against her will. Initially after the rescue, she seemed [[Bedside Manner|unresponsive and completely brainwashed]], but after a few days, she appeared to regain control over her mind. She briefly began a relationship with Jonas, but then immediately [[Going Home|fled]] and returned to the Hymn of One willingly.

==The Ceremony==
[[Image:0254-BreeLyingDownEyesClosed.jpg|thumb|right|210px|Her final moments . . . .]]
After reuniting with the Hymn of One, Bree began making more recruitment videos (which continued to have coded messages). It became clear that she was being prepared for the Ceremony once more, and that there was little time for her friends to save her. In [[A Week to Remember]], Bree claimed that she felt joy, as well as encouragement from her deceased father.

On August 3rd, 2007 (though her friends did everything in their power to [[12 in 12|rescue her]]), Bree did the Ceremony. It is revealed, that the Ceremony was nothing but a ploy for the young girl's blood to be administered into an elderly cult leader. Bree's participation resulted in her death as her blood was transfused to an [[Elder]] of the Order.

The tragic day ended in a futher revelation as Jonas received a voice message from Bree for him and Daniel. In the message, Bree revealed that she was aware of her actions and that she decided to perform the Ceremony to protect Daniel and Jonas because she loved them both.

==Family==
===The Averys===
[[Image:P Monkey Note.jpg|thumb|right|285px|The Note from Bree's Dad]]
In [[How My Parents Met]], Bree revealed that her [[Bree's parents#Mother|mother]] and [[Bree's parents#Father|father]] met in London during the intermission of the play '[[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]]'. Apparently the two got into a heated argument about the central theme in the play and (according to Bree) her father, Drew Avery, was "smitten like a kitten". In the same episode, Bree also divulged that her father studied medicine at {{wikipedia|Oxford}}.

Her parents were apparently strictly religious. This was one reason that Bree was homeschooled. In the video, [[Learning To Drive]], Bree told [[Daniel]] that her parents are not [[The Order|Order of Denderah]], presumably a reference to her [[Hymn of One|religion]].

Since running away with Daniel, Bree suffered the loss of her father, who was murdered on December 31st, 2006. Before he died however, he provided the Trio [[Opening the Box|with information]] on why the Order wants Bree to perform the Ceremony. It was also revealed that Bree's father was trying to make Bree undesirable to the Order by giving her injections.

After her father's death, Bree stated that she wouldn't be talking to her mother anytime soon - it was undetermined whether this is because she is upset her parents lied to her, or if she is unable to contact her due to safety concerns, or if perhaps she was a loyal high ranking member of the Order.

She has since reunited with her mother while staying with fellow Hymn of One members. In her [[A Week to Remember|final recruitment video]], Bree revealed that her mother had a role in preparing her for the Ceremony.

===Birth Parents===
In [[My Dad Said...]], viewers learned that Bree's parents were not actually her biological parents. This was apparently revealed to Bree soon before her father was shot, and may have been what she and her father were talking about in [[The Unthinkable Happened]]. Because she was still mourning for the loss of the man she knew as her father, Bree wasn't very open and didn't really discuss her thoughts on the fact that the people she called her parents weren't her biological parents. Additionally, it is undetermined whether this has anything to do with [[the Order]], or if Bree's parents simply wanted a child.

As of now, we do not know who Bree's biological parents are.

==Friends==
[[Image:J bree.jpg|thumb|right|200px|P. Monkey's her friend, but at one point he was "like a cancer" - Daniel]]
Traveling around the world at a young age and being homeschooled have essentially denied Bree the chance at having many friends.

As a result of Bree's solitude is the fact that she has befriended many stuffed animals. Bree's stuffed animal friends are [[Purple Monkey|P. Monkey]], [[Owen]], and [[Thor]], and she utilizes them as puppets or props in various episodes. She also has a [[hot pink feather boa]] she is quite fond of. Since being on the road for the past several months, it is clear she has two confident friends, Daniel and Jonas. Her friendship with them (along with the death of her father) has slowly made her lose interest in her stuffed friends.

Besides Daniel and Jonas, she has made few other friends.

While in England, she became good friends with a dog. Bree revealed that the dog was her only friend when living there (The dog's owner, later revealed to be [[Gemma]], had begun communicating with Bree from what was thought to be her home in London, but ended up being in California).

During her venture into high school, she befriended a young woman named [[Cassie]], who was in Daniel's class (although he doesn't recognize the name). Bree says that everyone made fun of Cassie and that they used to walk around the track together. They initially spent time together, but Cassie was uncomfortable with Bree's religion. Cassie and Bree also got into trouble one time for prank calling, a past time that Cassie apparently enjoyed more so than Bree. After Bree returned to homeschooling, she and Cassie stopped spending time together.

During a party in the Summer of 2006, Bree met Daniel's Friends [[Paul]] and [[Andrea]]. She liked them a lot and the foursome made plans to go bowling together. It is unclear if they ever went bowling.

In preparing for her Ceremony, Bree began spending time with [[Lucy]], her "helper". Lucy is a member of her religion, like a counselor, and had helped Bree prepare for her Ceremony.

Before being taken by the Order Bree befriended [[Taylor]], and perhaps Taylor's [[Sarah|sister]] too.

==Notes==
===Religion===
''Main Articles: [[The Order]] & [[The Hymn of One]]''

Not much is known for sure about [[Bree's religion]], which was the source of a great deal of debate because of its role in [[The Ceremony (ritual)]]. Fans initially speculated that it was related to [[Thelema]], but this was disavowed by [[Gemma]] in [[Learning Egyptian]], who claimed that it is not a religion at all. Rather, Bree's "religion" is a front for a secret society known as [[the Order]]. That said religion has since been revealed to be called The Hymn of One.

*'''Diet'''
In order to participate in [[The Ceremony]] Bree had to eat [[Bree's diet| a special diet]].

*'''Bree's injections'''
For a discussion of Bree's injections Bree's injections [[Bree's injections|go here]]. Bree was also taking [[Iron pills]] which are thought to be a compliment to the injections.

===Bree's bedroom===
[[Image:Breesdesk2.JPG|thumb|Probably the best view of Bree's workstation that we'll ever get.]]
Most of the early Lonelygirl15 videos took place in [[Bree's bedroom]]. Because her camera was on her computer, and her computer faced one side of the room, we normally only saw one side of the room. In the video [[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]], the webcam was carried by Bree as she followed Daniel around the room, helping us see every angle of her room. The only good shot we might ever get of Bree's workstation (her desk and computer) is at the right, a snapshot taken from the video.

===Etymology===
*Bree is the anglicized form of the Irish Gaelic female name Brígh, which means "power" or "high." As "Brigh" means power/high, fans speculate that Bree's name may refer to her importance to [[the Order]]. It may be that her Ceremony was designed as an initiation into a ''high'' position entailing ''power.''

*Alternatively, the video [[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]] makes an implicit link between the name ''Bree'' and ''Brie cheese''.

*Since the confirmation of Bree's last name, fans have noted that Bree's full name (Bree Avery) is a play of the word "bravery."

==Theories==
Follow this [[Theories About Characters#Bree|link]] for theories about Bree.

[[Category:Seen characters]]
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Category:Videos directed by Marcello Daciano

2007-09-26T05:08:25Z

JayHenry: Reverted edits by 81.180.65.2 (Talk); changed back to last version by Zoey

This category contains all the videos directed or co-directed by [[Marcello Daciano]].

[[Category:Videos by director]]
[[Category:Marcello Daciano credits]]

User talk:JayHenry

2007-09-25T01:30:29Z

JayHenry: /* Random Fruit */

A fresh start for 2007! To relive all the classic memories from my 2006 talk page: [[User talk:JayHenry/2006 archive|click here!]]

'''Note:''' This page is no longer reserved for discussion of P.Diddy. Other topics are now acceptable.

==Simian Liberation Front==
Don't tease Ogog now, Jayhenry. (Apparently, I'm not very clever or slick.) In addition, I have some questions about the Simian Liberation Front and adding them to the LgPedia. However, upon speaking with its creator, he has a request. Whenever you get a chance (yikes, I know you're busy), please repond to the brief PM that I sent you on the forum. (I didn't want to bother you with an email for this minor matter.) Thanks! [[User:Ogog|Ogog]] 13:39, 1 January 2007 (CST)
:Oh yeah, Happy Birthday! (I was lurking at the cove and saw your bday listed.) [[User:Ogog|Ogog]] 17:22, 1 January 2007 (CST)

== Iris2009 ==
seems that My vido page need some help i wont edit it because everone says im self promoting can i get a little help all videos are listed in the links section..thanks.. --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 13:49, 2 January 2007 (CST)

:It seems that we need a policy on fan pages. Probably at [[LGPedia: Fan pages]]. There have been issues with this before, and if we just develop a policy, it gives us something to turn to. I notice their appears to be a small revert war around the Unofficial Spin-Offs section of the main page as well. Our new policy should address that.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:34, 2 January 2007 (CST)

Thanks, for the idea of that. im going to let everone else write the policy because i did that last two policys..or was it three. so what ever any decides..i just think if they make enough video's they should have a fan page any others should be a user page :) as well as i like my page its just never up to date. thanks agian :) --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:16, 2 January 2007 (CST)

LG15 to a large degree is supposed to be about promoting fanfic storylines. What I have found most often promoted is abuse. As any other tools for creating and maintaining a storyline are lacking, I find that the LGpedia is a good medium through which to try and convey the story and provide any external data in one place. I know for myself personally I have a LOT of work to do to bring in quite a few external links from a few places that they have been posted and get it organized so people can go through it and say OHHH!...that is where that came from. I don't have enough fans that remember or understand where all this stuff is posted. IF I don't self edit/self promote nobody will ever understand what the heck was really trying to be conveyed. Nobody can actually do it for me. I realize that a Pedia is supposed to be an encyclopedic tome and not a storybook but considering we have no other good alternatives, I have decided its my best shot to get my data organized and things told in a coherent fashion, especially since it's got MOST of the externals to my story right there for me to link to. My intention is to get it up to what I consider full speed and then..let it go. It boils down to this..most people are lazy and just wanna watch..until I made the page for myself it didn't exist..even to say "You suck more than Hoover." Generally, right now I am riding rough shod over it trying to get it to a certain point. If had been doing it all along..I might not have had to do it mostly myself...but.. it's at a point now.. Nobody else can do it. I'll more than likely get in some revert wars in the next few weeks..but it's something I need to do to keep my thoughts organized until the true framework is there..then..I'll let things roll from there. That's not saying I am gonna revert any changes or additions..even negative ones..it just depends on how it disrupts where I am trying to get the page to. Actually, I am sure it was MsKelly that added the info about my HSAO video and that was welcome and I added to that..the..umm negative part..haha.
As a matter of fact..I think I am the person responsible for much of the talk here today.
I was in the revert war. I moved myself and some others that I thought belonged on the front page with the other fanfiction. The actual war that was brewing was over the order the names were in. My position was Alphabetize...their's was to put my link last. I am kind of middle of the alphabet so honestly that's actually less likely to be noticed than first or last. It was a pretty nonsensical move on their part if you ask me and some others agreed. That point is moot now since the front page is redesigned and I really like it for the most part. Now for the other matter...Iris's issue and self promotion/self editing.
*First rule of Self promotion/self editing - DO NOT IMPLY YOU MIGHT BE CANON.
*Second rule of Sp/Sm - DO NOT IMPLY YOU MIGHT BE CANON.
*Third rule of Sp/Sm - DO NOT IMPLY YOU MIGHT BE CANON.
Iris I was the one that was changing your page and actually everything I wrote were things that people had said or that happened..except the pepto comment and well..that was funny and not really hateful cause I mean..C'mon..Habenero Peppers? DUDE? YOU NEED SOME PINK STUFF after that..though I actually intended to take that out..a boy has to have a LITTLE fun. Part of the point I was trying to get across to you was that you need to STOP claiming you are official or implying it. With that said.. GO back to doing your own page to get it started. Stick to the facts. [[LordGreystoke422]] 5 january 10:14

== 2000 edits?! ==

Welcome to the crazy club, dude. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 17:20, 9 January 2007 (CST)

==OIC lives==
awww, it's nice to be missed. I have been lurking and making a few anonymous contributions here and there. I think I'm in a Bree-like state of shock over what the story has turned into. Hopefully the Userbox I put on my page conveys that message! TWJ's resignation is a curveball too... I really liked him. Ok, time for some real work! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 02:05, 11 January 2007 (CST)

== Frank ==
Clicking the name [[Frank]] on the [[cassieiswatching]] page or elsewhere brings you to the [[Frankiswaking]]page. As far as I can tell these are two separate individuals. How can I undo that redirect for the word Frank so I can make a separate page for disucssion about the now allegedly deceased Frank for the blogspot page. [[LordGreystoke422]] 9:43 11 January 2007 (CST)
:Jay I am not sure exactly what a disambiguation page means exactly in this context. Obviously it deals with removing any ambiguity, of which there is PLENTY with the word Frank. I am assuming that Frank will be an all encompassing page with short discussions of each "Frank" defining each and discussions on their relations or lack thereof, with more detailed analysis of each "Frank" on their own VERY SPECIFICALLY defined Page. i.e. Frankiswaking, BlogSpot Frank(canyouhearher.blogspot.com),Uncle Franklin,G-mail Frank. It is INDEED very confusing but ultimately could be great fun to work on because there's a lot of SPECULATIVE stuff involved here...Canon LG15,Canon CiW..possible jacking on multiple levels. Since it's such a mess it lends itself well to playing with the word..since the situation is so totally "Franked" up. Just as long as we all put our heads together and don't tell each other to "Frank" off..we'll be fine.(Sorry..an old joke from when BlogSpot Frank "died".) I do have a pretty good idea in my head of EXACTLY who each Frank is as a separate entity so I think we can get there. [[LordGreystoke422]] 10:24 11 January 2007 (CST)

== New Page==

Tell me if you like it, its just a start i plan on adding more to it. like report Vandel and so on.
[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Policy_Patrol Privacy patrol]--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 13:28, 17 January 2007 (CST)

== Bree's religion ==

Hey JayHenry, 
I saw Bree's religion on your to-do list. I was wondering if you'd like to merge that with the Order article, since Bree's religion is actually the Order. When I was trying to rewrite it, I included a section on the religious undertones of the Order, so that section could probably accomodate the "Bree's religion" content well. Whadya think? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:19, 18 January 2007 (CST)

:Oh wow, somehow I missed that you had done all that work on [[The Order]] article. Huge improvement! Yeah, I think we can merge the two articles, in fact, let me go formally propose that we do exactly that. And then, we can start working on improving the entire religion category.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:01, 18 January 2007 (CST)

::Actually, I went to write the merge proposal and it occured to me that maybe we should keep [[Bree's religion]] as a separate article. Maybe a change of name is due, but it'd be nice to have separate articles for "What we know about The Order" and "How Bree's religion played into the story both before and after it was known to be The Order." Does that make sense?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:04, 18 January 2007 (CST)

:::Yeah, I see what you mean. That could work too. I say definitely give it a shot, and if it doesn't prove worthwhile, you can always just merge it to the Order article. If we keep them separate, they should each probably link to each other prominently. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:10, 21 January 2007 (CST)

== TWJ ==

But it also has his sec post about leaving so my first post has all that was on there including what he wrote. plus the sec post..plus what creators said and also.--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 16:53, 19 January 2007 (CST)

:Okay, fair point. I switched it back to your version.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:54, 19 January 2007 (CST)

I wasnt trying to be mean or nothin. on the forum, i was trying to keep it all together for LGpedia,that way we had it all in one place you know what i mean? sorry agian..--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 16:57, 19 January 2007 (CST)

:No worries, you weren't mean at all. I think you're right. It's nice to have the information all in one thread.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:59, 19 January 2007 (CST)

== LG362436 screencaps uploaded ==

{{Userbox The Book of the Law}}
 
LOL! thanks!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 19:14, 23 January 2007 (CST)

==LonesomeOctober==
Hey, saw LO on your to-do, so I made the template to use on the video pages. I'm a big fan and I wish he hadn't stopped making these videos! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:55, 24 January 2007 (CST)

== Newcomer Page/"Catch Up" Page ==

I PM'd you, but I don't think the message got through. It got hung up in my "outbox." So, the Creators suggested I post here. Thanks.

Image:From: The Creators
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:46 pm
Subject: Re: Newcomer Page/Catch Up Page
Jay Henry does a lot of work on the LGPedia. Please work with him

to make the pages you created a more integral part of the guide.

Thanks!

== Brucker status ==

There's a short version of this story, a long version, and a very long version. Here's the short one: My last day on my current job is Wednesday, and virtually all of the work I do here is during downtime at work. After Wednesday, anything ranging from "Not only never posting here again, but never watching another LG15 video" to "Everything exactly the same" is possible, I don't know at this time. Just giving you a short heads up; e-mail me if you want more info. (That offer open to Jay, not just anyone coming across this message.) --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 20:21, 29 January 2007 (CST)
:Just so you know, I decided to apply to the governor for a stay of execution. I may be around for a while yet. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 19:01, 30 January 2007 (CST)
::Okay, it's back on again. I got a job offer yesterday and accepted it, so my status may be up in the air for some time. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 09:47, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Hi Jay. I'm not sure I'll be able to be as active an Admin as Brucker used to be (and as active as JonPro, OIC and your good self are even when you're slacking). My edits are fairly narrowly focussed on BDJ/NBR: video pics, some transcripts and general design/formatting. Admittedly, I have been more active recently (some locations, characters etc.) but I can't guarantee to keep up that sort of pace. However, if an extra pair of hands for banning spammers and deleting stuff when necessary is useful to you, no matter how active, then sure I'll help out. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 06:47, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

== "Danial" vandal ==
I think we got it all. When I click on their user contributions I don't see rollback on any of them. Of course, that could just be because someone else has done other edits since then, but it's unlikely. LG422 was on it right away, and so was another anonymous user. I only reverted about a third of it. Thankfully it all came from the same IP, so even if it's a pain to go through all the edits, at least there's a full list of them. Or to be sure we could run a search for "Danial", that should turn up any vandalized pages. Honestly, this moron beat the pants off StarLady and her page-blanking... at least she quit after like 10. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:36, 29 January 2007 (CST)

::101 Damnvandals!
I am pretty sure we got them all. There was almost NO activity during his "work" I caught him about 2/3rds through and worked my way up. One other person reverted 2 pages and then OIC got on and he checked the ding dongs contribution page and hit the editor rollback on him and got the rest. So.I think we got em. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 21:39, 29 January 2007 (CST)

== Not so lonesome? ==

Wow... I hadn't even seen LO on your to-do list, nor [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]]'s template... actually, I noticed that the [[Lonelygirl15 Cthulhu Interview]] page didn't have a link to the actual vid, so I was like, what the heck, I'll just overhaul the page and transcribe the vid.

I agree, they're very fun, extremely clever videos, and I hope he does more of 'em. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 00:05, 30 January 2007 (CST)

:Please, just because something is on my to-do list, don't ever let that stop you from pitching in whenever and wherever you want to help. [[LonesomeOctober]] is what kept me going in those dark days of mid-September.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:08, 30 January 2007 (CST)

::Glad you like the template! At least it was worth the mess I had to clean up... after I [[four-letter words|p****d]] my pants for overwriting the Tachyon template with it... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:15, 30 January 2007 (CST)

== Mentioned in my Pedia recruitment video ==
Hey Jay Henry just wanted to tell you to peek at my new video and make sure its ok by you since I mention you and the other guys at the end. Also, I wanted to mention that.. the SQUELCHING comment in the video did not have any of you 3 admin in mind when I made it..its with regards to another matter also..it fits my whole scenario..so..anyway..let me know if you are cool with it..if not I will pull it.. AIM me..same name if you want to chat about it. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 19:45, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Great video LGS422 :)--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 20:26, 30 January 2007 (CST)

== Speaking of videos... ==

What do you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epVQ18II5Q0 (I've got a half-dozen hidden messages in there of varying levels of encoding, and I'm wondering how many OpAphid junkies will be able to extract them?) --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 13:06, 2 February 2007 (CST)

:LOL, that's amazing. Is that really you? Now that you've made a video do you get an actual article, and not just a userpage? I posted a video from this one time that I won a golf tournament -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DH5thjMFR8 --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:10, 2 February 2007 (CST)

::Yeah, I did it in low light early this morning and did some minor things to change my appearance, but essentially that's me. I kept getting pissed that YouTube cuts off the ending, as the original video has half a second more with another pointless hidden message, but I can't figure out how to fix it. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:23, 2 February 2007 (CST)

:::I just might warrant a page. I was going to drop it with that, but then... Well, stay tuned, it's turning into a series, although I think a limited one. I got the footage for two more videos, and expect to end it there, but there might be one or two more if I come up with material. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 22:47, 4 February 2007 (CST)

::::Well... I say keep plugging away. Today was proof that if fan videos are absurd enough they have a chance of eventually becoming canon material.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:55, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Okay, the second one is uploaded, it should be accessible soon. It's funny, but making all these stupid codes is addictive. I wonder if anyone's going to decode them or not? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:06, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Ah, the third will be up later today. I had someone else film for me, and I didn't check the quality like I should have, so...it's not that great. Still, I ended up having some great fun with the audio. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 13:32, 7 February 2007 (CST)

::::::At this rate you'll be a video whore elite like myself in no time Brucker. If I were less clueless I would make some userboxes for different levels of Video WHOREHOOD.--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 15:58, 7 February 2007 (CST)

No, I really think I'm done. I came up with a really good anagram for an itscassie response video, but the stupidest thing she seems to have done is failing to check for the presence of an alarm on the door. The whole idea for the series was to just point out the stupidest thing each blogger did, so what more is there? Except that I do like the idea of userboxes for fan video producers. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:24, 7 February 2007 (CST)

== Changed ==

Changed. I want to PM you or instant message you, but for some reason, I cannot.

== Template:CharIndex ==

I Like how you put that together its very helpful --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 17:02, 6 February 2007 (CST)

== Categories ==

{{Userbox Categories}}
Darn you for teaching me the category game to begin with! hehe, *puts splints on wrists* [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:53, 16 February 2007 (CST)

== Images. ==
Where does this belong? http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Image:Iris2009.JPG --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:41, 16 February 2007 (CST)

== Aphidpedia ==

Why is the aphidpedia getting a revamp? Have there been problems? There isn't anything on the discussion page.
oops, forgot to sign, [[User:Tigerlilylynn|Tigerlilylynn]] 16:42, 18 February 2007 (CST)

== Thumbs up! ==

{{Hardwork|d}}
You are definitely the category master! I think this belongs to you. (Way to dominate the [[Special:Recentchanges]] page!) -- [[User:Taisetsuna|tai]] 23:38, 20 February 2007 (CST)

== Now Questions ==

Not sure whether I oughtta respond here or on my own page? So... CherShayToute is a play on a French phrase that means "look for it all." It's a play on an online/offline nickname, sorta, too. Pronounced like the singer, Cher, then Shay (just like it looks like it should), then the number 2. I respond best to Shay, for short. The couple folks who've shortened it on the boards have made me look over my shoulder, wondering... :D

As far as the Nikki B articles... I'm on it! ;) Can I find you later to make sure I got the formatting less than wobbly? (I had found the Wiki For Dummies goodies earlier... <chuckle>) -- [[User:Chershaytoute|Chershaytoute]] 09:38, 21 February 2007 (CST)

Hey, Jay! I've got a huge start on things - the audio's complete on Nikki's Slurpee article, now I'm dealing with the actual video part (which I've the beginnings of a handle on). Questions are going to start appearing - should I throw them on the discussion page there, here, or on my own talk page? Till you tell me, here's the first one (posting it here on on that page's talk page, too):

Help! I'm going to need help with this page - this is my first time taking on this big a project on my own... First one...where do I find a link to the avatar that was used for a while when Brother/Tach took over Gemma's YT account? - [[User:Chershaytoute|Chershaytoute]] 14:56, 22 February 2007 (CST)

I seem to be finding answers as I go, sorta... I found the avatar picture, but I don't know how to link to it...or toward it, I guess - guess link to the page it's found on? It's Hackedgemma.jpg... But I kinda figure out how to do things by looking at how they've been done on other pages, and I haven't figured this one out yet...so far... <smile>

Next, the mossymansions LonelyGirl15 song that's already mentioned on the spinoffs page...a user (not the person who put up the video) already posted the words to it. I thought that might make life mighty easy...but I have no idea how to put a page together - there has to be a template...where are those found? (I know I'm not ready for these...but figured I'd ask for eventually)

Hope you've had a grand weekend by the time you get back!! -- [[User:Chershaytoute|Chershaytoute]] 20:55, 22 February 2007 (CST)

No questions here...just hoping you had an absolutely wonderful whatever it was wherever you went, Jay! ;) (but, I'm going to do the other two NBR pages pre-anything else <beaming smile>) -- [[User:68.116.64.62|68.116.64.62]] 15:30, 27 February 2007 (CST) Hmmm... problems with our service provider goin' south...repeatedly... This was me... <shaking head> -- [[User:Chershaytoute|Chershaytoute]] 15:35, 27 February 2007 (CST)

== Admin discussion page ==

[[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony]]

==Medal of Assistance Award==
Congratulations you are the first user to get the Medal of Assistance Award so congratulations you can put it on your userpage.

<nowiki>{{Medal Assistance|For helping with all difference kinds of LGpedia projects.}}</nowiki>

== Your fight against the sidebar ==

Saw you had some revisions of the sidebar earlier, and just wanted to point out [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Navigation_bar#Links the manual] ;) 
Basically, the "-url" targets correspond to MediaWiki:*-url pages, which, in turn, have the target destination as their only content.
:[[User:Renegade|Renegade]] 13:28, 27 February 2007 (CST)

:Thanks. But, as you can see, I figured it out -- [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|List of videos]] is new to the navigation bar.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:47, 27 February 2007 (CST)

::Yeah, seen it...but it won't be the last time you edit that page ;)
:::[[User:Renegade|Renegade]] 14:11, 27 February 2007 (CST)

Looks great man :) --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:07, 5 March 2007 (CST)

== Cassieissilent ==
Hey i just want to bring this up that this link goes to the myspace of Cassie is silent.
But i noticed a comment left by Trazan that i find very distrubing. please read it.. it on her comments.
Thanks. let me know if we need to do something or keep a eye open..
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=158561909 --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:02, 5 March 2007 (CST)

I noticed what she did and then i strolled through links about her and i noticed what Tarzan said, just wanted to let you know, i care about Lgpedia and dont plan on any kind of attacks missing up the things we do, if you know what i mean. She also did the same thing on the comments of CIW youtube, she promoted herself saying she is the real one.did you warn her already?--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:14, 5 March 2007 (CST)

==Template==
You'll see in just a minute.--[[User:LB15|LB15]] 12:51, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

This is what its going to be used for.--[[User:LB15|LB15]] 13:12, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

[[User:Lb15/sandbox2]]

== Bot up and running ==

I've got the bot up and running and it's working great. I got some formatting fixes done but thought that you might want to authorize it as a bot before I tackle the YouTube tags. Also, I'm thinking that the bot's talk page would be a good place for people to post jobs that the bot might be able to do. Sound good?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:58, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

:There are different "functions" that the bot can do, like replace one string of text with another, mass-add a category to a list of pages, resolve broken and double redirects, etc. You can specify a certain list of pages for this to apply to (i.e. the pages in a certain category or that link to a certain page) or have it apply to all pages. Basically, you tell the bot exactly what you want it to do and to what pages. Then, it will start searching through those pages and find things that match your criteria. For example, for the formatting fixes that I already did, I said to replace <nowiki>''( with ('' and )'' with '')</nowiki>. When it found a page, it applied the replacement and showed me a preview of the new page that highlighted the changes. If it looked like it was doing everything right, I would say "yes" and it would make the changes and continue searching through the pages. If it did something unexpected (like change <nowiki>'''Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)''' to '''Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!'')'</nowiki>, then I had the option of skipping this page and continuing on. For a few pages like this, I went ahead and let it make the edit (to fix all the other instances of this problem on the page) then went in myself to change the messed up part back. I haven't looked into all the "functions" yet, but I'm sure they'll be pretty useful. Anyway, I think this pretty much explains it. If anything didn't make sense, just let me know.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 23:18, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
::Jonpro, when I do bot-like edits, I try and make use of the ability to search for spaces. e.g., if you want to find <nowiki>")''" and not ")'''", then oftne the best thing is to search for ")'' " (note the space); this gives a higher rate of accuracy. Actually, it makes it virtually impossible to mistakenly edit something you don't want to, and instead you miss an occasional edit, but not many. ~~~~ </nowiki>

== Vanessa page ==

Hi Jay, 
I noticed you reverted an edit to the Vanessa Roveto article. It was made by an anonymous IP, but it's the IP that later started using the [[User:Vroveto|Vroveto]] account. I think that she just doesn't want any more mention of the old Steiger surname since that's in the past. I don't mind one way or another, but I just thought I'd mention it since you might have not noticed that it was her editing it. 
Also, I can see why you would try to stop the flames from starting on the Glenn talk page, but was deleting it the way to go? I'd sooner just block Sheriff since to me it was obvious that he was just trolling (eg, saying he heard Glenn got fired, but claiming he didn't know what "game" Tiger was talking about... it doesn't add up and shows he was just trying to push people's buttons). No one else was being inflammatory, though--although Tiger was a little offended that he called the makers of recap videos "sad prats", but I can't blame her for being a little indignant about that. 
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:06, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

:Hmm... I didn't notice that on the Vanessa Roveto article. My thinking was -- what if somebody said "hey, I thought her name was Vanessa Steiger." I didn't consider that might be Vanessa herself deleting it.

:As for Glenn's page, I figured dumping the page would be less controversial than blocking the Sheriff. I can go either way, I guess, but I wanted to act quickly because I saw what this event did to the forum and I don't want that to happen here. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:51, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

== [[Talk:Main Page]] protected? ==

Hi Jay, 
I remember awhile back you protected Talk:Main Page so that only registered users could edit it. However, I noticed that two anonymous users edited that page today. Any idea what's going on? 
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:53, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

Lol, you beat me to putting the Nikki B. video back up. Just by nature of the content (and her "secret" source) it's a must see. Great seeing you at the Cove too! It's a fun place. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:25, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

:Yeah, the Cove is fun again. It went through a long drought of lameness, but I'm enjoying it again recently. Did you see [http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8664 this]? I guess it's time to figure out how to adjust the LGPedia accordingly? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:47, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

::Wow, big news about OpAphid. It's not very fun having another twist thrown at us but at least we know the deal now (sort of). So I guess we should start treating OpAphid like any other ARG. That is, if it's going to continue, which I'm pretty sure it is....gah, Creators, stop messing with us! :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:00, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

== Hard Work Medal ==

How do you nominate somone for the hard work medal? I want to nominate Misty and SilverBULLETx3

: Oh, there's no real process. Just go ahead and stick the box on their pages! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:35, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

== 1000 pages ==

On the main page, I've noticed we're climbing up to the 1,000 page mark. Anything planned yet? Gonna plan anything now that I've mentioned it?--[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 11:21, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

==Licensing==

Hi Jay, what is LGpedia's licensing policy? Are contributions here freely usable by other sites? I was a bit surprised not to find any information on this! --[[User:71.166.143.220|71.166.143.220]] 15:56, 11 June 2007 (CDT)

: I have no clue. It ought to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License GFDL] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_licenses Creative Commons] or something, but nobody, as far as I know, has ever offered any clarification. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 02:45, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

::Unfortunately, by law if nothing is specified, then all user-contributed information on this site is subject to strict copyright, held by whoever owns the server. Oh well, thanks anyway. --[[User:70.21.9.233|70.21.9.233]] 16:03, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

I want to point out that all info on here belongs to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_licenses Creative Commons] Thanks. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 17:13, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

:Well, I certainly thought it should be Creative Commons, but as far as I know that was never made explicit. It would be wise of the Creators to state the license somewhere -- Wikipedia could use the images more freely if they were a CC license. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:07, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

::As long as I know that it is CC, then I know that I won't create any serious legal issues by grabbing text and code from this site. But for cooperation with other sites, especially for images, it would be nice to know what specific CC license LGpedia is using. Thanks again. --[[User:72.75.52.195|72.75.52.195]] 02:54, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

:::Hmm. I take that back. Knowing that it is CC is not good enough—I need to know whether this site uses extra parameters of the CC license, such as restrictions on content use by for-profit enterprises. --[[User:71.166.131.179|71.166.131.179]] 20:03, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

:::: If it were up to me it'd all be public domain. But I don't get to decide. You need to ask the creators. You can e-mail [[Miles Beckett]] at milesbeckett (AT) gmail (D0T) com. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:05, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

==Happy Retirement!==

{{Gold Rolex}} Couldn't let your [[LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony#A_good-bye_of_sorts|announcement]] go without making with a new userbox. Hopefully still see you around occasionally.--[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 19:09, 14 July 2007 (CDT)

== Are You Back! ==

You have been editing it seems like more and more, so are you back, or still gone.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:44, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

: Well, I'm only editing talk pages. I'm not making any useful contributions. Do you agree that we should delete [[User:Milowent]]? He's really causing me problems. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:46, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

::Well i wont get into the whole thing but you were an adminastrator meaning you probably wil get votes.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:50, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

::: I sure hope so. I really want him deleted. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:50, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

:::: i think jay is really xwestsidex now. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 00:34, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

== Did you Plan On it ==

It is sort of wierd all the original admins are gone and left around the same time. Haha. Its a bummer that you three are gone but, at least we have three top notch admins here.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:57, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

== Chat ==

You missed chat today, you suck! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:02, 20 September 2007 (CDT)

== Random Fruit ==

Why do you generate random fruit? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:11, 24 September 2007 (CDT)

: Because I am making jello. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:06, 24 September 2007 (CDT)

::Oh, jello's pretty yummy. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:08, 24 September 2007 (CDT)

::: Yeah, I particularly like jello with [[User:JayHenry/test|these fruits]]. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:30, 24 September 2007 (CDT)

User:JayHenry/test1

2007-09-25T01:26:50Z

JayHenry: no exclamation

* {{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 20}}
| 1 = Apple
| 2 = Banana
| 3 = Cherry
| 4 = Dewberry
| 5 = Elderberry
| 6 = Ficus
| 7 = Grape
| 8 = Huckleberry
| 9 = Iyokan
| 10 = Jujube
| 11 = Kiwi
| 12 = Lemon
| 13 = Mango
| 14 = Nectarine
| 15 = Orange
| 16 = Pomegranate
| 17 = Raspberry
| 18 = Strawberry
| 19 = Tamarind
| 0 = Wolfberry
| Uhhh...
}}
* {{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 12}}
| 1 = Boysenberry
| 2 = Cantaloupe
| 3 = Sometimes I like every fruit in the world!
| 4 = Fig
| 5 = Grapefruit
| 6 = Honeydew
| 7 = Jostaberry
| 8 = Loganberry
| 9 = Maraschino cherry
| 10 = Pineapple
| 11 = Starfruit
| 12 = Tangelo
| 0 = Ugli Fruit
| Uhhh...
}}
* {{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 15}}
| 1 = Apricot
| 2 = Blueberry
| 3 = Cranberry
| 4 = Date
| 5 = Elderberry
| 6 = Fig
| 7 = Guava
| 8 = Kumquat
| 9 = Lime
| 10 = Mulberry
| 11 = Papaya
| 12 = Redcurrant
| 13 = Soursop
| 14 = Thimbleberry
| 15 = Giff
| 0 = Watermelon
| Uhhh...
}}

User:JayHenry/test1

2007-09-25T01:24:54Z

JayHenry: exclamation

[[Image:Exclamation.gif|15px]] {{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 20}}
| 1 = Apple
| 2 = Banana
| 3 = Cherry
| 4 = Dewberry
| 5 = Elderberry
| 6 = Ficus
| 7 = Grape
| 8 = Huckleberry
| 9 = Iyokan
| 10 = Jujube
| 11 = Kiwi
| 12 = Lemon
| 13 = Mango
| 14 = Nectarine
| 15 = Orange
| 16 = Pomegranate
| 17 = Raspberry
| 18 = Strawberry
| 19 = Tamarind
| 0 = Wolfberry
| Uhhh...
}} 
[[Image:Exclamation.gif|15px]] {{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 12}}
| 1 = Boysenberry
| 2 = Cantaloupe
| 3 = Sometimes I like every fruit in the world!
| 4 = Fig
| 5 = Grapefruit
| 6 = Honeydew
| 7 = Jostaberry
| 8 = Loganberry
| 9 = Maraschino cherry
| 10 = Pineapple
| 11 = Starfruit
| 12 = Tangelo
| 0 = Ugli Fruit
| Uhhh...
}} 
[[Image:Exclamation.gif|15px]] {{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 15}}
| 1 = Apricot
| 2 = Blueberry
| 3 = Cranberry
| 4 = Date
| 5 = Elderberry
| 6 = Fig
| 7 = Guava
| 8 = Kumquat
| 9 = Lime
| 10 = Mulberry
| 11 = Papaya
| 12 = Redcurrant
| 13 = Soursop
| 14 = Thimbleberry
| 15 = Giff
| 0 = Watermelon
| Uhhh...
}}

User:JayHenry/test1

2007-09-25T01:17:43Z

JayHenry:

* {{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 20}}
| 1 = Apple
| 2 = Banana
| 3 = Cherry
| 4 = Dewberry
| 5 = Elderberry
| 6 = Ficus
| 7 = Grape
| 8 = Huckleberry
| 9 = Iyokan
| 10 = Jujube
| 11 = Kiwi
| 12 = Lemon
| 13 = Mango
| 14 = Nectarine
| 15 = Orange
| 16 = Pomegranate
| 17 = Raspberry
| 18 = Strawberry
| 19 = Tamarind
| 0 = Wolfberry
| Uhhh...
}}
* {{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 15}}
| 1 = Apricot
| 2 = Blueberry
| 3 = Cranberry
| 4 = Date
| 5 = Elderberry
| 6 = Fig
| 7 = Guava
| 8 = Kumquat
| 9 = Lime
| 10 = Mulberry
| 11 = Papaya
| 12 = Redcurrant
| 13 = Soursop
| 14 = Thimbleberry
| 15 = Giff
| 0 = Watermelon
| Uhhh...
}}
* {{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 12}}
| 1 = Boysenberry
| 2 = Cantaloupe
| 3 = Sometimes I like every fruit in the world!
| 4 = Fig
| 5 = Grapefruit
| 6 = Honeydew
| 7 = Jostaberry
| 8 = Loganberry
| 9 = Maraschino cherry
| 10 = Pineapple
| 11 = Starfruit
| 12 = Tangelo
| 0 = Ugli Fruit
| Uhhh...
}}

User:JayHenry/test

2007-09-25T01:17:03Z

JayHenry: Salad maker

<div style="width:150px;clear:right;margin:1em 0 1em 1em;border:1px solid #4682B4;background:#F0F8FF;-moz-border-radius:10px;padding:10px 10px 10px 10px;">
<div style="text-align:center;font-size:16px;font-weight:900;line-height:1.5em;">I like jello with</div>
<div style="clear:left;font-size:10px;text-align:center;border-top:2px solid #4682B4;">
<div style="width:150px;float:left;text-align:left;">{{User:JayHenry/test1}}</div>
</div>
<div style="clear:left;font-size:10px;text-align:center;border-top:1px solid #4682B4;">
<div style="width:150px;float:left;text-align:left;">Try to [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=purge}} Generate new fruit]
</div>
<div style="clear:left;font-size:10px;text-align:center;border-top:0px solid #4682B4;"></div>
</div>
</div>

User:JayHenry/test

2007-09-25T01:14:55Z

JayHenry:

User talk:JayHenry

2007-09-25T01:06:12Z

JayHenry: /* Random Fruit */

User:JayHenry/test1

2007-09-25T01:03:17Z

JayHenry: more fruit

* {{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 20}}
| 1 = Apple
| 2 = Banana
| 3 = Cherry
| 4 = Dewberry
| 5 = Elderberry
| 6 = Ficus
| 7 = Grape
| 8 = Huckleberry
| 9 = Iyokan
| 10 = Jujube
| 11 = Kiwi
| 12 = Lemon
| 13 = Mango
| 14 = Nectarine
| 15 = Orange
| 16 = Pomegranate
| 17 = Raspberry
| 18 = Strawberry
| 19 = Tamarind
| 0 = Wolfberry
| Uhhh...
}}
* {{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 15}}
| 1 = Apricot
| 2 = Blueberry
| 3 = Cranberry
| 4 = Date
| 5 = Elderberry
| 6 = Fig
| 7 = Guava
| 8 = Kumquat
| 9 = Lime
| 10 = Mulberry
| 11 = Papaya
| 12 = Redcurrant
| 13 = Soursop
| 14 = Thimbleberry
| 15 = Giff
| 0 = Watermelon
| Uhhh...
}}
* {{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 15}}
| 1 = Boysenberry
| 2 = Cantaloupe
| 3 = Damson
| 4 = Fig
| 5 = Grapefruit
| 6 = Honeydew
| 7 = Jostaberry
| 8 = Loganberry
| 9 = Maraschino cherry
| 10 = Pineapple
| 11 = Starfruit
| 12 = Tangelo
| 0 = Ugli Fruit
| Uhhh...
}}

User:JayHenry/test1

2007-09-25T00:53:14Z

JayHenry: more fruit

User:JayHenry/test

2007-09-24T20:11:00Z

JayHenry: new fruit generator

{{User:JayHenry/test1}}
 
[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=purge}} Generate new fruit]

User:JayHenry/test1

2007-09-24T19:56:31Z

JayHenry: random fruit generator

{{#switch:{{#expr:{{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} mod 20}}
| 1 = Apple
| 2 = Banana
| 3 = Cherry
| 4 = Dewberry
| 5 = Elderberry
| 6 = Ficus
| 7 = Grape
| 8 = Huckleberry
| 9 = Iyokan
| 10 = Jujube
| 11 = Kiwi
| 12 = Lemon
| 13 = Mango
| 14 = Nectarine
| 15 = Orange
| 16 = Pomegranate
| 17 = Raspberry
| 18 = Strawberry
| 19 = Tamarind
| 0 = Wolfberry
| Uhhh...
}}

User:JayHenry/test

2007-09-24T19:39:41Z

JayHenry: new test

User:JayHenry/test

2007-09-20T06:58:18Z

JayHenry: template test

{{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACE}}: {{PAGENAME}} | Talk: {{PAGENAME}} | {{WPJournalsCotW-Talk}} | {{WPJournalsCotW-Article}} }}

LGPedia talk:Official 50 Hottest Girls of Lonelygirl15

2007-09-19T18:07:33Z

JayHenry: comments

== Love it! ==

Nicely done, [[User:JayHenry|Jay]]. Witty, and oh so true. Also, about 5 times better because it's coming from you. I miss you on here. Wait, I miss myself on here too. I really need to start contributing here more. (Stupid real life stuff getting in the way of the truly important things (like this page for example) :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 00:15, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

I love it, too - but you obviously fail at appreciating a women that can kick ass. *silently moves Tachyon to #1* 
Not to mention the low score of Sarah - what were you thinking?!
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:34, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

:: This has already been explained. Whereas Alexandra is quite beautiful, the character of Sarah is something of an insensitive tramp, plus I suspect from hidden clues in the videos that she has herpes, and that's the real reason she was crying to Taylor. Remember, herpes is treatable, but not curable. Oh and Tachyon was stupid — ''just tell them what they need to know, don't hide it in ridiculous clues!'' — and stupid is rarely attractive. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:07, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

==Argh!==
Jay Henry!! What exactly am I supposed to do with you?! You can't be... oh geez, I'll deal with this in the morning. XD --[[User:Zoey|Mrs. Henry]]

This article is amazing. It takes a tremendous depth of Lg15 knowledge to even to be able to make the list, w/o saying anything about the snark. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 23:18, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
:Jay! Why is Zoey missing from the list? Tut tut. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:13, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

:: I decided that LGPedia editors were ineligible. If I were to include LGPedia admins, in order to be honest, I would have also had to add myself at about #14. I am not a woman, nor do I look womanish; rather I am ''such'' an attractive man that even pure heterosexuals find themselves inexorably drawn to me. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:07, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

LGPedia:Official 50 Hottest Girls of Lonelygirl15

2007-09-18T05:00:31Z

JayHenry: Top 50 List

This is the official ranking of the 50 hottest girls of lonelygirl15. Similar to the Hot 100 lists compiled every year by Maxim magazine. This list is not the opinion of its author; rather it is objective fact.

# [[Bree|Bree before the video Zodiac of Denderah]] — Before Bree went nuts she was heaven.
# [[Random Girl]] — Hot, and the fact that she was willing to go home with a drunk guy is a positive.
# [[Alexandra Dreyfus]] — This girl is fabulously attractive. Too bad Sarah isn't a better character.
# [[Bree|Dead Bree]] — once Bree died it was easier to remember mostly the good times, and forget the months between October and August when she went completely bonkers.
# [[Bitsie Tulloch]] — Harvard education is hot.
# [[Jessica Lee Rose]] — Beautiful girl, but poor performance in too many interviews. Verdict is still out on her character in Greek. But both of them need more college.
# [[Jackie Jandrell]] — Had the good sense to get on a lifeboat before the whole ship sunk. Kudos for that.
# [[Katharine McPhee]] — That album cover? Yowza!
# [[Becky Kregoski]] — Bonus points for staying in school.
# [[The_party_guests#Carla|Carla]] — hottest of the party guests because of the way she [[:Image:CarlaNails.jpg|bites her fingers]].
# [[Carl]] — surprisingly attractive woman.
# [[Taylor]] — cute, smart, but not as cute as Carl.
# [[Swallow]] — bonus points for inappropriate name.
# [[Mallory]] — Tell her a sob story and get her in bed, Daniel, you wuss!
# [[Nikki Bower]] — Fun, quirky character. Presumably hooked up with VoyBoy.
# [[The Mistress (character)|Isaac Gilman's mistress]] — Good for Isaac Gilman, I guess.
# [[The_party_guests#Claudia|Claudia]] — Hot accent compensates for otherwise forgettable appearance.
# [[Aunt Alex]] — points lost for being a psycho cult member. Oh yeah, and lay off the SPF 95. You need a tan.
# [[Sarah]] — points lost for chlamydia and being emo.
# [[Jonas's parents|Jonas's mom]] — She's got money. Sorta like Stifler's mom.
# [[Gemma]] — "Uh, nut, uh squirrel, uh—" ''OMG shut up and get a better writer.''
# [[Spencer]] — bonus points for good skin. Thanks Neutrogena!
# [[Cameos#Taylor_Treadwell|Taylor Treadwell]] — Appeared on soap operas in real life. Pretty cool.
# [[Alli Danziger]] — points deducted for having breathed the same air as Jimmy Kimmel.
# [[Katherine Pawlak]] — Hard to judge. Not really her fault that she's being forced to play a character a decade younger than she actually is.
# [[Jennifer]] — bonus points for showing up.
# [[Sonia]] — Brainwashed and thus vulnerable?
# [[Bree|Bree between Your Decision and How Dumb Am I?]] — Pretty dumb, actually.
# [[Cameos#Staley_Prom|Staley Prom]] — Who even knows what character this is?
# [[Lucy]] — Take off the sunglasses, Corey Hart.
# [[Beth#Beth|Beth]] — After a bunch of drinks at a house party, Beth would do.
# [[Maddison Atkins]] — For being a better ARG, but being completely ignored by the C's, I salute you!
# [[Cameos#Cristy_Coors_Beasley|Cristy Coors Beasley]] — Last name sounds like beer.
# [[Bree|Bree between Zodiac of Denderah and Your Decision]] — Actually one of the worst periods of Bree. Eating out of dumpsters. Being crazy all the time. "Let's go live with an Internet stranger, shall we, Daniel?" "Yeah, that makes sense."
# [[Cameos#Angela_Harp|Angela Harp]] — Dumb name.
# [[Tammy Klein]] — Related to Calvin Klein?
# [[Carly Jones]] — Nothing to judge really. 5 points awarded for blond hair.
# [[Emma]] — Touch of death not conducive to snuggling. Age of consent issues here.
# [[Barb]] — Hymn of One! Is so dumb! Say it out loud!
# [[Daniel's grandma]] — Good cooking compensates for being post-menopausal.
# [[Bree|Batshit insane Bree (How Dumb Am I? to death)]] — By the time Bree died, everyone except Jonas and Daniel were happy because she had become such an incoherent, babbling maniac.
# [[Brother|The Army of 1,000 Sockpuppets]] — More manicuring, grooming and airbrushing to an image than all the women on this list combined.
# [[Raegan Payne|Reagan Payne]] — I don't want to crawl in bed with somebody who makes me think of Ronald Reagan.
# [[Jessi Williams]] — Must have done something pretty messed up to get fired from a non-speaking role.
# [[Bree's mom]] — Let her husband and daughter get murdered. Um. Fail.
# [[Cameos#Allison_Probert|Allison Probert]] — Lame cameo. Nepotism.
# [[Rebecca]] — Owns real estate.
# [[Amanda Goodfried]] — major points deducted for sending e-mails traceable to CAA computers instead of spending 2 minutes on Google to learn about proxy servers.
# [[Tachyon]] — Just please go back to Fiji. WTF do you own a helicopter? And if The Order controls all the police stations then how on earth did you get the okay to fly a helicopter over the city of Los Angeles and... ''oh nevermind.''
# [[Cassieiswatching|Cassie]] — For creating the worst ARG in the history of of ARGs.

Talk:Spencer

2007-09-18T03:51:00Z

JayHenry: Spencer dead

==MySpace==
I think it's safe to assume that the [[MySpace]] account {{myspace|la_labrat}} is official for Spencer, since [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=419506&highlight=#419506 Daniel told us all to message him]. I can't imagine the C's telling us all to bombard some fan-kid. Unless anyone objects, I'll go ahead and add the info from the MySpace to his character page. We can always remove it if we find out later that it's not offical... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:36, 24 June 2007 (CDT)
:I just added it, but since we don't know much else about this kid, I decided not to put in a Person box just yet.--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 00:55, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

== LOLOMGWTF Is Spencer on the REAL Neutrogena website?! ==

OMGOMGOMG! My mind is going crazy- Spencer is the ACTUAL "employee of the month" at the ACTUAL Neutrogena website with ''''''no qualifications that it's with a TV show!'''''' (other than a link to LG15.com, very slyly integrated) Is this real? Maybe a product-placement deal they worked with Neutrogena? Anyone who understands why I see this as totally nuts, blurring the lines between TV and the real world, please reply with some sort of explanation!!!
[http://www.neutrogena.com/spencer.asp] (notice all the NORMAL Neutrogena stuff links there, too!)
[http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2007/06/spencer-as-neutrogena-employee-of-month.html]
[http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2007/06/neutrogena-story.html]
--[[User:DoubleG|DoubleG]] 00:15, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
: Hey, hey, calm down! If you read the [[Neutrogena]] page, it'll tell you that yes, this is a deal between LG15 and Neutrogena. It is cool though! --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 01:36, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

== Spencer dead ==

I think Spencer is probably dead. Just a theory. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:51, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

The Other Monkey

2007-09-18T03:49:42Z

JayHenry: some clean up

{{Person
|name = The Other Monkey
|image = OtherMonkey.jpg
|caption = Nobody likes this loser of a primate.
|first = [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]]
|last = Nobody cares...
|age = Stuffed
|actor = The Other Monkey
|color = Brown
}}
'''The Other Monkey''', or '''T.O.M.''' is a stuffed animal of which [[Bree]] never speaks. Presumably, Bree does not love The Other Monkey. [[Daniel]] holds The Other Monkey in the video [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]]

It is unknown if T.O.M. gets along with [[Thor]], [[Owen]] and his vastly more adored primate brethren, [[Purple Monkey]]. Even Bree's [[hot pink feather boa|feather boa]] receives more attention than The Other Monkey. Usually he is seen lying on the floor, or by himself on the bed. He is probably slightly insane from Bree's neglect and scorn.

On [[Owen]]'s myspace page, he refers to T.O.M. by the name Sandy. It is unknown if Bree is aware of that name or it is strictly between the animals.

As nobody loves T.O.M. he appears to have been left behind at Bree's old house when Bree and Daniel ran away in the video [[On The Run]]. When Bree died, nobody even bothered to notify T.O.M., and he continues to believe, quixotically, that someday Bree will be his friend. The saga of T.O.M.'s loneliness continues...

 
{{CharIndex}}

[[Category:Stuffed characters]]
[[Category:Ambiguous mystery people]]

Talk:Katherine Pawlak

2007-09-18T03:46:39Z

JayHenry: wtf

She's 24 but plays a 15 year old? What were they thinking? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:46, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

User:JayHenry/images

2007-09-18T03:44:11Z

JayHenry: so easy it's crazy!!!

I would like to improve the lonelygirl15 and related articles on Wikipedia. One way to do so, would be with better images. Wikipedia takes copyright seriously, so currently only one image from the whole series is used (on all Wikipedia) under the terms of "Fair Use." Wikipedia accepts several licenses, the {{Wikipedia|Wikipedia:Text_of_the_GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GNU Free Documentation License}} or the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ Creative Commons CCbySA2.5] are two encouraged licenses. If these images could be released under the terms of the licenses, I think it could really help improve the LG15=KM related pages on Wikipedia.

Releasing the images is super simple! The easiest way would probably be to post a page at www.lg15.com/images, containing the images below and saying "these images are available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License" at the bottom of the page. So easy it's crazy!

{|
|+ '''Here are some images that I think really capture different elements of the show.'''
|-
|
|[[Image:Lazyeye.jpg|thumb|one of the iconic vlogging pictures]]
|
|-
|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|thumb|A classic vlogging/stuffed animal pic]]
|[[Image:0118-BreeAndRandomGirlPosing.jpg|thumb|A good one of when McPhee guest starred]]
|[[Image:0223-Bree.jpg|thumb|Bree and her Hymn of One phase]]
|-
|[[Image:DanielHotDateLapTop.jpg|thumb|Good one of Daniel and laptop]]
|[[Image:0197-JonasAndDanielTryingToRemember.jpg|thumb|Bro time?]]
|[[Image:0251-JonasAtTheHangar.jpg|thumb|Something that captures the adventure?]]
|}

{|
|+ '''Also need some Kate pics'''
|-
|[[Image:Charlie Kate.jpg|thumb|cute one of the girls]]
|[[Image:KateModern Cast2.jpg|thumb|cast photo?]]
|[[Image:Tariq and Gavin.jpg|thumb|and maybe the gents?]]
|}

User:JayHenry/images

2007-09-17T06:48:50Z

JayHenry: the km pics

This is a page for my image requests. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:54, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

I would like to improve the lonelygirl15 and related articles on Wikipedia. One way to do so, would be with better images. Wikipedia takes copyright seriously, so currently only one image is used (on all Wikipedia) under the terms of "Fair Use." Wikipedia accepts several licenses, the {{Wikipedia|Wikipedia:Text_of_the_GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GNU Free Documentation License}} or the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ Creative Commons CCbySA2.5] are two encouraged licenses. If these images could be released under the terms of the licenses, I think it could really help improve the LG15=KM related pages on Wikipedia.

{|
|+ '''Here are some images that I think really capture different elements of the show.'''
|-
|
|[[Image:Lazyeye.jpg|thumb|one of the iconic vlogging pictures]]
|
|-
|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|thumb|A classic vlogging/stuffed animal pic]]
|[[Image:0118-BreeAndRandomGirlPosing.jpg|thumb|A good one of when McPhee guest starred]]
|[[Image:0223-Bree.jpg|thumb|Bree and her Hymn of One phase]]
|-
|[[Image:DanielHotDateLapTop.jpg|thumb|Good one of Daniel and laptop]]
|[[Image:0197-JonasAndDanielTryingToRemember.jpg|thumb|Bro time?]]
|[[Image:0251-JonasAtTheHangar.jpg|thumb|Something that captures the adventure?]]
|}

{|
|+ '''Also need some Kate pics'''
|-
|[[Image:Charlie Kate.jpg|thumb|cute one of the girls]]
|[[Image:KateModern Cast2.jpg|thumb|cast photo?]]
|[[Image:Tariq and Gavin.jpg|thumb|and maybe the gents?]]
|}

User:JayHenry/images

2007-09-17T04:35:44Z

JayHenry: images

This is a page for my image requests. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:54, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

I would like to improve the lonelygirl15 and related articles on Wikipedia. One way to do so, would be with better images. Wikipedia takes copyright seriously, so currently only one image is used (on all Wikipedia) under the terms of "Fair Use." Wikipedia accepts several licenses, the {{Wikipedia|Wikipedia:Text_of_the_GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GNU Free Documentation License}} or the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ Creative Commons CCbySA2.5] are two encouraged licenses. If these images could be released under the terms of the licenses, I think it could really help improve the LG15 related pages on Wikipedia. Oh, and if someone could pick some KateModern images that would be great.

{|
|+ '''Here are some images that I think really capture different elements of the show.'''
|-
|
|[[Image:Lazyeye.jpg|thumb|one of the iconic vlogging pictures]]
|
|-
|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|thumb|A classic vlogging/stuffed animal pic]]
|[[Image:0118-BreeAndRandomGirlPosing.jpg|thumb|A good one of when McPhee guest starred]]
|[[Image:0223-Bree.jpg|thumb|Bree and her Hymn of One phase]]
|-
|[[Image:DanielHotDateLapTop.jpg|thumb|Good one of Daniel and laptop]]
|[[Image:0197-JonasAndDanielTryingToRemember.jpg|thumb|Bro time?]]
|[[Image:0251-JonasAtTheHangar.jpg|thumb|Something that captures the adventure?]]
|}

User:JayHenry/images

2007-09-17T03:54:56Z

JayHenry:

This is a page for my image requests. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:54, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

File:DanielHotDateLapTop.jpg

2007-09-17T03:48:33Z

JayHenry: Daniel with his lap top and cell phone.

Daniel with his lap top and cell phone.

List of lonelygirl15 videos/Season 3

2007-08-06T04:00:03Z

JayHenry: fixing links to finale

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<ol style="line-height: 150%;">
===Overture===
[[Paytotheorderofofof vs. Dinosaur]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[YouTubers Secret Language]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Misdirected. Lost Visual in the Burn Out]] {{Init|Brother}}
 [[Sparks Are Flying]] {{Init|Brother}}
 [[3-2-1 Contact]] {{Init|Brother}}
 
 
==SEASON ONE==
===In The Beginning...===
<li>[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Danielbeast]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Parents Suck...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Daniel Responds]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Proving Science Wrong!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel's Relationship===
<li>[[Boy Problems...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Girl Problems...]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[He Said, She Said]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree's Religion===
<li>[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Add Poe Hinder Vilification]] {{Init|War Pylol}}
<li>[[What Bree's Dad Said...]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Me, Religion, and Daniel :(]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Swimming!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bree The Cookie Monster]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[A Change In My Life]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Poor Pluto]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===More Bree & Daniel's Relationship===
<li>[[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Should I Or Shouldn't I?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[I'm Going to the Party!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[House Arrest]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[In The Park]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[What's A Date?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My First Kiss]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Learning To Drive]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Equinox]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[How Could You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===The Ceremony===
<li>[[My Difficult Decision]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[An update of sorts]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Who Is This?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Helper]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[DO GO TO GOD, Cassie (for my helper)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[How My Parents Met]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where Are They Going?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Crossed The Line]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Order of Denderah]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Everyone Hates Cassie: What a poor, lonely girl.]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[They Attack Cassie! Is Daniel Next? He Crossed the Line.]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Zodiac of Denderah]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[What ever happened to that girl, Cassie?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Cassie is Lying, Cassie Tells Lies]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[The Ceremony]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I Completed The Ceremony]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===More Questions===
<li>[[Following The Helper]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel, Be Careful...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where's Daniel?]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Nut Kills Man]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are "They"]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[I'm Hiding Out]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[I Lied To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Living In London]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[My lonesome update for mid October]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[I Listened To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hi Gemma!]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Things Turn Dark===
<li>[[It's Not Your Decision]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[I Talked To My Parents]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[The Action of an Enemy - Be Careful]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Proving Longitude Wrong]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[URGENT: For My Helper!]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Thanks Gemma...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[They Disappeared...]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[What Makes Us Sad?]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Life's Not Fair]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel Escape===
<li>[[Still At Daniel's]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where Are My Parents?]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[They Are Still Everywhere]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Horrid Flatmates]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[On The Run]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Learning Egyptian]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[What's in the Box/Bree & Daniel Update - NBR 3]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Motel Pool]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[They Are Watching]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Don't Trust The Authorities]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Exploring The Motel]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===The Watchers===
<li>[[Someone's Following You]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Man In The Suit]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Breakfast In Bed]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[My Name Is Jonas]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[A Watcher]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Fleeing The Watcher]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Watchers Everywhere]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Survival Skills]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Silent Treatment]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Bored At Home]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[An Awkward Silence]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Date With P. Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Happy Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
 [[Adventures in Babysitting]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[Mysteries of My Past... Revealed: My Time in Suburbia]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel Get Desperate===
<li>[[Ransacked!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Scared To Go Home]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Trust Issues]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Jonas?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Is Right]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Homeless]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Knock 'Em Down]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Warwalking]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Anti-Cribs]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Bad Decisions]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[Home Alone]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[The Test]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Where Is Jonas?]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
 
 
===Going To Jonas===
<li>[[Your Decision]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Back Home]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Gemma? (Part I)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
 [[Gemma? (Part II)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Tough Cookie]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Gemma, Who Are You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Cheer Me Up]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Back At Bree's]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Gemma? (Part III)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
 [[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Bree Phone Home]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Undisclosed Location]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Skateboarding]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Breaking And Entering]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Mystery Movies]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Christmas Surprise]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Bree Makes A Move===
<li>[[Bree's Gone]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 [[Gemma (Part IV)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Roadtrip]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[The Unthinkable Happened]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Gemma (Part V)]] {{Init|Brother}}
<li>[[Bree's Dad Is Dead]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Dad Said...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[45 Seconds]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Purple Monkey Returns]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Foosball]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Hiding In The Bathroom]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel's Relationship ''Ad Nauseam''===
<li>[[Bree And I Hooked Up]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[The Ends Justify The Means]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Kicked Out]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Daniel's A Liar]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Truth Or Dare]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hungover]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Investigating Pins and Pints]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Time To Grow Up]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Foosball Battle]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Naming Bree's Dad]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
 [[Lose Something?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[For The Ladies]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Daniel's Disappearance===
<li>[[Daniel's Missing!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Looking For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Sleepover]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[The Cowboy]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Miss Me?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[Finding the Cowboy - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Me For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Storm The Castle]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 [[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[The Human Ransom]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
==="Those Who Fight And Run Away..."===
<li>[[Rescuing Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Drinking Problems]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Valentine's Day Massacre]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Watch This!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Look Who I Found!!!]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Yellow Snow]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Snow Angels]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Jonas Sucks]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Men Are From Mars]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Cracked The File]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Who IS Jonas?===
<li>[[How Dumb Am I?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bree Is Crazy]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Interrogation 101]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[What The Hell?!??!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Is He Out There?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Proving Bree Wrong]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[On The Road Again]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[School's In Session! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Sorry Jonas]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Introducing Aunt Alex!===
<li>[[Beach Bum]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Flesh Wound]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Hand Hurts]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Aunt Alex]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Training Hard]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[On The Hot Seat]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Uncle Dan]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Lucy!?!?!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Alex Is...]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 
 
=== Tracked, Captured, and Escaped ===
<li>[[Truckstop Reunion]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Co-Ed Foosball]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Vegas, Baby!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Subjects Apprehended]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Psychological Torture]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Communication Terminated]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Missing Days]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Losing My Religion]] {{init|Bree}}
 
 
===South Of The Border===
<li>[[Lying Bastards]] {{init|Daniel}}
 [[It's Party Time - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Spring Break Sucks]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Confrontation]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hug It Out]] {{init|Jonas}}
 [[Call Me Jules]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Apology Accepted?]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Spanglish]] {{init|Jonas}}
 [[Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
 [[He's a monster, I promise!!]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[The Perfect Beach]] {{init|Bree}}
 [[First Video (I know, lame title)]] {{Init|Taylor}}
 
 
===Going Underground===
<li>[[About The Gun]] {{init|Jonas}}
 [[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[New Girl]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Running For Life]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Intervention]] {{init|Jonas}}
 [[Practice Sucked :(]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Sloppy Drunk]] {{init|Bree}}
 [[Field Trip]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Blog Girl]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Quitting The Sauce]] {{init|Daniel}}
 [[I Recognize Her!]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[What Happened to Us???]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[A Solid Lead]] {{init|Bree}}
 [[Mi Escuela]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Science Proved Nothing]] {{init|Jonas}}
 
 
=== The Search For Jules ===
<li>[[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!]] {{init|Bree}}
 [[Hear Me Out]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Crazy Emo Chick]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Bucking Broncos - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[No Trespassing]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[We Found Julia!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[It's Not Kidnapping]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Naive Girl]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[She's Missing]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Aiding and Abetting]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 
 
===Bree's Surrender ===
<li>[[What the F*@k???]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[1500 Miles]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[I Know What Boys Like]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Let's Play Doctor]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Comfort Food]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Sister = Slut]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Oh, The Places You'll Go]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Sing With Me]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[CAMP PLAY]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Be Part of Something]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Opening the Box]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Entertaining Myself]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[It's A Cult]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 
 
=== Getting Bree Back ===
<li>[[Getting Her Back]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bedside Manner]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Taking Advantage of Her]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[HOLY SH%T!!!]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[The Morning After]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Mr. Park Ranger]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Everybody Does It ;)]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Like A Virgin]] {{Init|Taylor}}
 [[My Eternal Song]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Going Home]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===The Gilman Files===
<li>[[A New Lead]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[The Mad Scientist]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Sweating Bullets]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[FOLLOW YOUR HAPPINESS]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Mistress]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[In (Search of) sanity...]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Rockin' the Boat]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Mom's A Freak!]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[What Up Blogosphere!]] {{Init|Spencer}}
<li>[[Look Back]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Dad Died Too]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Dude Back Off]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Going Back to Cali]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[All Wet]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Kicked Out - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[I'm Here To Help]] {{Init|Spencer}}
<li>[[Hope He's Not Mad]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[The Bree Solution]] {{Init|Spencer}}
<li>[[Sing Until The End]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Deep Throat]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
==="Mission Accepted"===
<li>[[We Have A Plan]] {{Init|Spencer}}
<li>[[Mission Alpha]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Mission Beta]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Mission Gamma]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Mission Possible]] {{Init|Spencer}}
<li>[[Proceed with Caution]] {{Init|Alex}}
<li>[[The Serum]] {{Init|Spencer}}
<li>[[No Girls Allowed]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Something's Coming]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[They Broke In!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[A Week to Remember]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Season Finale===
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]] {{Init|The Creators}}
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 1 of 12 – 8 am|12 in 12 - 8 AM]] {{Init|12in12}}
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 2 of 12 – 9 am|12 in 12 - 9 AM]] {{Init|12in12}}
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 3 of 12 – 10 am|12 in 12 - 10 AM]] {{Init|12in12}}
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 4 of 12 - 11 am|12 in 12 - 11 AM]] {{Init|12in12}}
 [[11 AM - Nikki Bower at the Pier]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 5 of 12 - 12 pm|12 in 12 - 12 AM]] {{Init|12in12}}
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 6 of 12 - 1 pm|12 in 12 - 1 PM]] {{Init|12in12}}
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 7 of 12 – 2 pm|12 in 12 - 2 PM]] {{Init|12in12}}
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 8 of 12 – 3 pm|12 in 12 - 3 PM]] {{Init|12in12}}
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 9 of 12 – 4 pm|12 in 12 - 4 PM]] {{Init|12in12}}
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|12 in 12 - 5 PM]] {{Init|12in12}}
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 11 of 12 – 6 pm|12 in 12 - 6 PM]] {{Init|12in12}}
<li>[[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 12 of 12 – 7 pm|12 in 12 - 7 PM]] {{Init|12in12}}
 
 
==Season Two (TBA)==
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*[[#Overture|Overture]]
*[[#In The Beginning...|In The Beginning...]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel's Relationship|Bree & Daniel's Relationship]]
*[[#Bree's Religion|Bree's Religion]]
*[[#More Bree & Daniel's Relationship|More Bree & Daniel's Relationship]]
*[[#The Ceremony|The Ceremony]]
*[[#More Questions|More Questions]]
*[[#Things Turn Dark|Things Turn Dark]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel Escape|Bree & Daniel Escape]]
*[[#The Watchers|The Watchers]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel Get Desperate|Bree & Daniel Get Desperate]]
*[[#Going To Jonas|Going To Jonas]]
*[[#Bree Makes A Move|Bree Makes A Move]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel's Relationship Ad Nauseam|Bree & Daniel's Relationship ''Ad Nauseam'']]
*[[#Daniel's Disappearance|Daniel's Disappearance]]
*[[#"Those Who Fight And Run Away..."|"Those Who Fight And Run Away..."]]
*[[#Who IS Jonas?|Who IS Jonas?]]
*[[#Introducing Aunt Alex!|Introducing Aunt Alex!]]
*[[#Tracked, Captured, and Escaped|Tracked, Captured, and Escaped]]
*[[#South Of The Border|South Of The Border]]
*[[#Going Underground|Going Underground]]
*[[#The Search For Jules|The Search For Jules]]
*[[#Bree's Surrender|Bree's Surrender]]
*[[#Getting Bree Back|Getting Bree Back]]
*[[#The Gilman Files|The Gilman Files]]
*[[#"Mission Accepted"|"Mission Accepted"]]
*[[#Season Finale|Season Finale]]


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User talk:OwenIsCool

2007-08-02T03:27:25Z

JayHenry: happy trails

==SORRY AND THANK YOU==
I shouldn't have messed with the AphidPedia page. My bad. Newbieitis. I think I'll just stick to fixing minor errors until I get a little more familiar. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 18:25, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Hey Owen ==

Thanks for all the good edits. It's always refreshing to have another good editor on the LGpedia. Big thanks for the heads up about the [[Phorum 3]] -- so weird that such a random page would get hit.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:20, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Thanks for your help on the vandalism stuff. To tell you the truth, when I see spam vandalism by an unregistered user, I check their contribution history, and if it's the first time they've put in an edit, I assume it's probably a post-and-run spammer who won't be back and don't bother giving them a warning. I don't think anything's likely to happen beyond a warning unless they are a repeat offender. If they are a genuine troublemaker, they'd probably get blocked from editing. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:39, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Thanks for the compliment Owen i appreciate it :D. I just happened to notice that this music listing was created here in the LGpedia so i thought i would give it a shot. It took me a second to understand the coding format deal (which i noticed somebody revised haha) but i think i got it now. For a while i have been keeping a pretty thorough listing in the Music section on the forums. Just thought i would throw anything in that i noticed here. There are still a bunch of tracks i haven't found and unknowns in the music which i wish the Creators would clear up but i will keep at it for rizzle. --Livelongandprosper77 5:03p.m., 24 January 2007 (CST)

Oh yeah i didn't give ya a link to my masterpiece lol. http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=701&start=7

There ya go use it anyway ya want i is here to help :D. Lol i need to hang out in LGpedia more because i totally had no idea a soundtrack section had started here till yesterday. --Livelongandprosper77 5:24p.m., 24 January 2007 (CST)

Hello, I was just wondering about the LL page? Is it suitable now? And if not, the GC page is very nice. - User Crowcity

Hi, Owen! Thanks for the note. I have been looking at other pages to see how things have been done - seems to be a great way to figure things out. Didn't want to put that pic into the article - just wanted to refer/direct folks back to it...thinking about it, not sure that's even really needed. Believe me, if I need immediate help, I won't even have to leave a message on your page or Brucker's - you'll be able to hear me hollering from here :D (but I will leave a note for one or the other of you). Since Jay took me in hand, I figured stuff that wasn't time critical could sit till someone let him back in the door when he got back... <chuckle> Anyway, little by little, I'm finding things (found the pictures-by-category by going to Brucker's page...wouldn't be a bad idea to have a nice site map of Useful Stuff for wiki-wacky folks who're working back here...or have I just not stumbled on that yet...? <blink>) -- [[User:Chershaytoute|Chershaytoute]] 09:15, 23 February 2007 (CST)

<smacks forehead> Found the category list...who'da thunk? Amazing how that worked out! Thanks for pre-reading my thoughts and already having one of those! <shaking head...and carefully massaging poor smacked forehead> -- [[User:Chershaytoute|Chershaytoute]] (moments later!)

Hey i was wondering about the "List of lonelygirl15 video" page. because certain videos are not in the order that they should be in. they are being put in the order of the posting date on youtube and i think that they should be organized in a way so its more understandable. i dont think that the dates matter as much. like these video titles;

Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind) [The Op video should be after the video by bree;
I Listened To Daniel LG, Because the which side are you on video is under video 54# Where's Daniel? and i dont think it has any reference to that episode.

Feel free to correct me if im wrong but i think some of these videos are listed completly out of the order they should be in.

- [[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:Hi Michiev,
:Thanks for letting me know that the current order isn't intuitive. My understanding is that the OpAphid videos are put into that list depending on the numbering assigned to them by the Creators when those episodes were "moved to the left bar" of the lonelygirl15.com website. [[Where's Daniel?]] is #54, and [[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are "They"]] is #54b. [[Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind)]] (the one you said has no reference to [[Where's Daniel]]) is #54c.
:I hope it's ok with you that I'm copying this discussion to [[Talk:List of Lonelygirl15 videos]] so that others may weight in. Personally I'd rather go by the numbers, but I think we should be concerned if those numbers don't make sense to people.
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:48, 26 February 2007 (CST)

rofl!! u beat me to the punch with the Julie-dissing!! --[[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]

== A word about templates ==

I like the fact that you edited all the userboxes into a category, but in the future, keep in mind that those extra line breaks that appear outside of the <noinclude> tags will show up on the pages where the template is used. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:20, 4 December 2006 (CST)

Don't worry too much about it, the wiki is new, even the admins are on a bit of a learning curve. The above was just an FYI. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:04, 5 December 2006 (CST)

== cite.php ==

read your to-do list item about cite.php -- TWJaniak has that on his to-do list. I think he's a little swamped right now as it appears JSmith has left the LGPedia web staff.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:59, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:Awesome, thanks for noticing and letting me know! Naturally, it's not an urgent thing, so I understand he has other stuff to worry about right now. I'll keep a lookout for when this is available, thx! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:22, 10 December 2006 (CST)

==Cite.php==

I tried adding [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php Cite.php] to the LGpedia a few weeks ago. I downloaded, installed and configured all the necessary files on the server, but when I went live with the changes, the LGpedia crashed and burned. I don't know what went wrong, but I plan on trying again in the next few days. I feel a functional citation system has become a necessity. -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 22:28, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:'''UPDATE:''' The Cite.php extension has been added. Now you you can make footnotes to your heart's content! -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 14:33, 13 December 2006 (CST)

::Thank you! I saw you told JayHenry that you had to upgrade the whole 'pedia. Wow... can't have been a snap, thanks for making it happen! I shall faithfully implement citations now. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:37, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Kool Twj, you should do Lgpedia more ofton when u can that is...--Iris2009 14:42, 13 December 2006 (CST)

==Links to Music page==

Hi Todd,
LG15 Soundtrack is up-to-date! Now that the "soundtrack" page is built, I'm not sure what's the best way to deal with the music information contained in the various blog articles. Some include links to the artists' LGPedia page, which redirects to the LG15 music page. Others have external links to their band webpages. Some have these links within the template and others have it embedded in the transcript.
To keep things consistent and direct everyone to the LG15 Soundtrack as much as possible (because it often more complete info on links for listening to the songs and to the bands' pages), I was thinking perhaps a minor change could be made to the Blog3 template. Just as typing in Bree Phone Home as the next video would produce Bree Phone Home automatically, I thought perhaps we could have it so that "The tale of room 620 by Ehren Starks" would automatically show The tale of room 620 by Ehren Starks (linking to LG15 Soundtrack).
I don't know much about templates, but from what I see, it looks like this:
<pre>
! Music {{!}} {{{song}}} |}}

could be replaced with something along the lines of:

! Music {{#if: {{{Music|}}} | "[[{{{LG15 Soundtrack|Music}}}]]" | none}}
</pre>
I'm not sure if I got that right, but I hope it conveyed the message. I saw you made the majority of edits to Blog3, so I thought it'd be best to let you take care of any changes made to it (esp since they affect so many pages!). If you like the change and want to implement it, I'd have no problem going through the blog articles to make sure it's being used correctly in all of them.

OwenIsCool 18:53, 18 December 2006 (CST)

:This can't actually be done without a major change to the template and edits to all of the documents that have used Blog3 so far. Instead you can do what I have done with the entry for the song of the latest video and the [[LG15 Soundtrack]] page. A <div> tag needs to encapsulate the name of the song on the soundtrack page to act as an anchor for the link from the video's page. Refer to the source code for both the song entry on [[Bree Phone Home]] and the corresponding entry on the soundtrack page for an example of how this should be formatted. Do '''NOT''' use spaces in the anchor's name; instead uses underscores and remember that link and anchor names are case-sensitive. -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 09:38, 19 December 2006 (CST)

== Where is OIC? ==

If you don't come back and start editing again I'm honestly going to cry.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:30, 10 January 2007 (CST)

:OIC! I'm so glad you're back! Yay!! Could you send me a PM or e-mail? You can e-mail me [[Special:Emailuser/JayHenry|through thd Wiki]] or I'm JayHank at the forum (I have no clue who, if anyone, you are over there). Oh, and p.s. Kenneth Goodfried is Greg Goodfried's father. I need to add a page on him!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:34, 14 January 2007 (CST)

::Okay, well, no need to PM. OIC, would you be interested in being an admin? It's silly for you to always have to ask Brucker and I to delete nonsense pages or ask us to block vandals. You've proven you're a good, trustworthy editor. What do you say?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:39, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::Hi JayHenry, 
:::Sorry I didn't PM you earlier! Got caught up editing as usual =) I'm honored by your suggestion and would love to give it a try! 
:::Disclaimer: I still have a lot to learn... but so far you and Brucker have been a great help so no doubt I'll be able to get the hang of it.
:::Best, 
:::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:24, 15 January 2007 (CST)
::::You're an admin now. Remember, with great power comes great responsibility.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 18:59, 15 January 2007 (CST)
::::: Ms Kelly would be proud! --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 20:18, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::::I'll try to be as honorable as Spiderman, thx Jay! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:20, 15 January 2007 (CST)

==Bree's Myspace==

I don't want to bother you OIC, but I'm not sure how to handle the issue of Bree's Myspace. It disappeared yesterday, and was listed in the recent events, but I checked it today, and it's back. I listed its return in the recent events. Should we add something about her Myspace's disappearance and reappearance to [[Bree]] or [[MySpace]]? -- [[User:Taisetsuna|tai]] 19:42, 27 January 2007 (CST)
:: Thanks for the help! I added it to the [[MySpace]] page, and tried to wikify the page a bit while I was at it. -- [[User:Taisetsuna|tai]] 21:21, 27 January 2007 (CST)

In case your wondering, i am the one that fixed Bree's myspace, click this link to read about it.
http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=174222&highlight=#174222 --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 14:12, 28 January 2007 (CST)

:That was nice of you to grab the URL for the Creators while they got everything back together. Thanks for sharing. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:38, 28 January 2007 (CST)

All in a days of work, i help restore the site to the orignal and i ran it till the orginal was restored and then gave it back to The Creators. --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:27, 28 January 2007 (CST)

== 101 DARNVANDALS ==

That was about as much fun as being hit with a barrel of rocks..is there a way to revert faster or do editors have a one touch button..you were a lot faster than me. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 19:57, 29 January 2007 (CST)

:When I go to a recent edit, I see a link that says "[rollback]". I don't know if only Admins have it. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 20:14, 29 January 2007 (CST)

::Geez, we sure picked the wrong time to all be away from the LGPedia for an hour. Are we sure that we fixed all the damage that [[four-letter words|f****r]] did?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:32, 29 January 2007 (CST)

:::I went through and double-checked all edits from that time period; I'm pretty sure LG422 and OiC got them all straightened out. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 10:32, 30 January 2007 (CST)

== How to Lose Friends and Abuse People ==
I am working on my new book titled the above...I'll autograph you a copy. It comes out right after I finish my tour of the middle schools. As to the self-nomination thing... I wouldn't do that. I would be vehemently against that. As for the self editing..I'd rather be reading a book..but..as bad as it is at the moment..people actually have looked at it and said..OH..I understand your videos now..so..thats why I do it. I am doing it for some coherence. One thing you will learn is that I am as hard on myself as I am on others. As to the Youmomissmarmy thing here is a vast difference between exclusion/inclusion and featuring. Aditionally the biggest reason I am against it is LL's jacking of the Cassie line.let me say..that doesnt anger me..thats what the creators are about..EXPANSION which inherently involves some jacking.. Too few people really understand the CiW thing these days with itscassie's appearance..and the more recent cassie mentions by Bree. Now with Frankiswaking bringing her up.. I REALLY would rather not have a recent article featured that adds to the mainstream cassie confusion. Part of the reason I busted Crows chops a little is that he told me to lighten up..kinda not in my nature....actually probably more in my nurture come to think about it..but this isn't the place for that and if we got into that you might send me a bill for the analysis.
Seriously though OIC..I joke pretty dead pan and harshly..but..I am consistent cause I do it to myself as well.. I appreciate your calling me on my seeming lack of consistency but really I am just telling them to toughen up a bit..cause based on my personal experiences..what I said to them was nothing compared to what others may say as they get more exposure. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 09:56, 30 January 2007 (CST)

== Guess I don't need to ask ==
I thought about it after I made the video that I should have checked with you 3 first about mentioning you guys..granted you are Admins..but..its a vid..so..I still shoulda checked..I got a proposal to remove it if it "offended"(Don't laugh damn you)...on Jay's Talk and got called away before I made it to do the same on your page. I had the video already planned..and a conversation with someone this morning..in between abusing a few people..made me mention the squelching of info. It seems that the person I talked to said their articles get deleted all the time...etc..and not by you guys. Anyway..glad you liked it.. Now..Hopefully it does some good..we will see..since you like it..I will post it on the tube. Send me a PM or an AIM..same name..so we can discuss this squelching. Seems to have been costing us at least one decent editor.--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 21:16, 30 January 2007 (CST)

==apologies==
hey - i reread that comment about one of my edits that you made on my page and i jumped at you about, and i guess i misunderstood some of what you said, sorry i snapped at you. i was just irritated that you were irritated by my sarcasm, and i kind of disregarded everything else you said.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 23:10, 31 January 2007 (CST)

::I think a lot of us get tunnel vision on posts and fingers fly and we get one or 2 words wrong in our heads and... BOOYA!.. Misunderstanding. On another note.. I am being bad right now..shhhhhh....mischevious bugger that I am. Mwahahah. A boy needs a little fun. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 23:50, 2 February 2007 (CST)

:::Good point, LordGreystoke422. It's hard to convey tone in a post, so it's easier to misunderstand people. And yes, I just saw you were terrorizing those GC people again. If Ms. Kelly were here she'd set you straight. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:47, 3 February 2007 (CST)

== Deriders ==

Thanks for the note on 87..whatever the number was's talk. I'd say it is the same guy that got banned. He's actually a bit funny..and could contribute if he played right.. It sounds like he wants to create his own story..but doesn't want to make a video. If he did make a video I would say have at it..but..I am sure he doesn't want to be subjected to his own treatment. I wouldn't make a harsh video response...not ME! NEVER! --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 16:39, 7 February 2007 (CST)

== Email ==

I sent you a email did you get it.--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 21:50, 11 February 2007 (CST)

:Hi Iris,
:Thanks for letting me know you emailed me, I don't check it otherwise. I hope you don't mind if I reply here since it's not a private matter. I'm sorry if you wasted your time emailing the creators about the Lucy thing. It was clear from the edit made to [[The Human Ransom]] that [[Amanda Goodfried]] played [[Lucy]]. When [[Admin]] makes an edit, you can safely assume that it's the creators. That's why I went ahead and made the changes to Amanda's and [[Cameos#Jessi Williams|Jessi Williams]]'s articles. Thanks for taking the time and double-checking, though in the future keep in mind that it's not necessary to confirm edits from the Admin account.
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:00, 11 February 2007 (CST)

Actally i emailed you then they changed it, lol. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:34, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== LGpedia Crash ==
Just to let a admin know the crash a couple of days ago was a error on my part, i was trying to Max Catorgize something, to see if it would work and it brought it down, it was restored later on. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:35, 14 February 2007 (CST)

This is the email i sent Mesh.

Subject: Sorry
Body: hey, just wanted to let you know, i did Crash the LGpedia when trying out a patch for it..sorry.

Its back up and running but i wanted to let you know, sorry.

-Iris2009
--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 17:13, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Hey, here's what it is
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CategoryTree_extension --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 17:43, 14 February 2007 (CST)

:Iris,
:I suspect that you're not being entirely honest. The extension described in this link doesn't sound like what you explained earlier. I also saw that you just made an edit to that extension's article to state that you yourself had worked on it. Yes, your static IP address was recorded on that edit that you made less than ten minutes ago on a Wikipedia article that you've never worked on before. This all makes me a little skeptical. Best leave the webmastering to BrokenKid, ok? And do realize that anyone can look up a wiki article's history.
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:53, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Okay dokey. i dont plan on trying agian anywyzs.--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 17:56, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Music Tracks ==
They have proving science wrong and so on.
http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=701 --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 19:22, 15 February 2007 (CST)

:Thanks, Iris. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:38, 15 February 2007 (CST)

did that help? --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 23:06, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== [[Template:Userbox Categories|Category Userbox]] ==

Thanks for creating it. I saw it and thought "Wow, that fits me exactly."--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:51, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Um, your new organization of userboxes looks lousy on my screen, FYI. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 02:41, 25 February 2007 (CST)
:Thanks for the heads up; it looked fine on my computer. I might try a different table then... I dunno I just want something that looks normal on everyone's screen and I thought this would do it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:08, 25 February 2007 (CST)
::Differnt screen resolutions can cause so much trouble. I notice a lot of the time that stuff that looks one way here at work looks entirely differnt at home. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:19, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:::Ah, maybe I should move around more when I work on LGPedia... anyway, I assume it looks ok now since you didn't say anything about it looking off... am I right?

== Admin discussion page ==

[[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony]]

:O.I.Cool, where have you been?? Lots of stuff up on Lucy's Balcony that I'd love your opinion on. Particularly the character template and locations discussions that have trickled to other pages but are linked to. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:50, 8 March 2007 (CST)

::hiya! well I took off for some vacation time and didn't get a chance to make the pretty template I wanted to put up. Sorry about pulling Houdini there. I'll take a look around the Balcony now, but I think I'll make the rest of my edits later. Hope that's ok! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 10:56, 8 March 2007 (CST)

==user templates==
Oh I'm sorry about everything thankyou for telling me. LB15

==Thanks Owen==
Thanks for the work you did on the mIRC page I set up. I'm a wiki noob. I'm great at gathering content, but not so good at formatting. I appreciate your help. [[User:Luminous|Luminous]]
:No problem! Glad to be helpful :)[[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 16:17, 7 April 2007 (CDT)

==Talk Page==
If you looked at the talk page, you would see that the general feeling was to take Gemma out. This was run by anybody who bothered to look at the talk page, including some mods. The table did look bad, though. If you wanted to keep Gemma, YOU should have said so in the talk page. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 10:02, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

==Tone==
My tone was a little harsh. I need to remember that I'm still a n00b. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 17:49, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

== Another CSS request ==

We need a kind of red telephone for this... :D 
Could you add
<pre>
#hoverTOC {
width: 70px;
height: 20px;
overflow: hidden;
background-color: #F9F9F9;
border: 1px solid #aaaaaa;
text-align: center;
}
#hoverTOC:hover {
width: auto;
height: auto;
background-color: transparent;
border: 1px none #aaaaaa;
}
#hoverTOCtitle {
font-weight: bold;
}
#hoverTOC:hover #hoverTOCtitle {
display: none;
}
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to [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css|the CSS]] please? It should reduce the TOC-size on the [[List_of_Lonelygirl15_videos/redesign|LOLG15V Redesign]] considerably. (See [[Template:HoverTOC]]) 
Thanks in advance :)
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:43, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:Done! The redesign page looks great, btw!
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:42, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
::It does now, thanks to you :)
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:46, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

== anti IE logo ==

Actually, I put that on the main page, to give everyone a moment of comic relief. I fully expected it to be removed within the hour. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 22:00, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

== TheLadyLazarus ==

Though I can't prove it I'm the LL PM and I'm ending this ARG and wanted to rid it of its LGPedia page. But I don't really care anymore.

== [[Talk:Main Page]] ==

Hmm... looks like the protection was cancelled when we deleted the page to do the selective restore. Well, as long as the spam vandalism doesn't come back, I'm happy to leave the page unprotected. I hate to protect a talk page that's so prominent. p.s. it's been great seeing you at the Cove! It had gotten pretty lame for awhile, but it's starting to get cool again. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 19:10, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

==Character Pages==
Hey Owen, I had a quick question. I was looking at Bree's char. page and I noticed that there are things that are written in present tense, even though they are no longer happening. (For example, there is something along the lines of "Bree is Daniel's love interest." and also something reffering to her parent's being strict.) Now, Daniel (from what we can tell) is no longer interested in Bree and also, Bree's father is dead (again, from what we can tell) and she doesn't live with her mother. So, should things like this be changed to past tense or be kept how they are?
[[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 20:26, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

==Revert==
I just had one question. Is reverting just going back in the history and replacing the new, unwanted things back to the old or is it something else? I hope that made sense... [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 01:59, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

== please comment on character/redesign ==

I've done alot of work on the character redesign, and I've asked for feedback on the talk page for the changes I've made. So far I've gotten at most 1 reply on each change of the most recent changes. I would like to get some more feedback. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:27, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

== Thank you ==
I've taken the character redesign page live. Thank you and for all your help with the descriptions and blurbs, they really add to the page-[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:15, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

== Just a ? ==

Hey, OIC, I have a question. Okay, I was looking at some userpages and came across the "This user has over # edits on the LGpedia" userboxes. How do you find out how many edits you have? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 17:47, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

==Daniel==
Hey, Owen . . . I noticed that on your TLC list you mentioned Daniel, a page I refurbished a bit a few days ago. Let me know what you think . . . --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 17:33, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

== happy trails ==

{{Gold Rolex}}
 
The fact is, that those who were here know and will always know. Those who weren't here will never know and will be forgotten. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:27, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap

2007-08-02T03:13:22Z

JayHenry:

what's meta?

== Blogger? ==

I think this shouldn't have a "blogger." Yes, it is narrated by Jonas, but it is a RECAP of the series. And in the description it is referred as a SERIES and is in SEASONS. If this is blogged by any, it should be by the creators. In other news: '''I MISS BREE'''! (And P.S., they also refer to KateModern whom they dont even know about yet, and I dont think it is a "public video" per say... so i think it is Blogger: Creators, Faction: none, Status: Private video){{User:-R-/SignatureD|7:33 PM (7:53 PM)}}
:Totally Randy, this vid (though an AWESOME one!) completely destorys our in-character understanding of Jonas. There is seriously no way Jonas could know about Kate. Nevertheless, I wish the description and vid didn't say Season 1 Recap, if only for our chance to consider this Jonas's way of rallying the troops together or something. But yeah . . . totally messes up our current system. Should we consider this an official video? Most likely, yes. Should this be an official in-story vid? Probably not (but if the TAAG make note of this vid, man, are the Creators messing with our heads! :P). I guess we'll have to wait and see! Again, awesome vid . . . it's got me even more psyched for the season finale! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:07, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

:: All the memories!! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:13, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

User:JayHenry/colorswap

2007-07-27T02:54:13Z

JayHenry: test2

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User:JayHenry/colorswap

2007-07-27T02:50:04Z

JayHenry: just a test

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User talk:Milowent

2007-07-26T05:26:31Z

JayHenry: /* Deletion discussion */ concur with UAE Actors Guild

haha--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 02:59, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Wow, you've been a fan longer than any of us! Congratulations.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:57, 3 January 2007 (CST)

Quoting: "I dreamed that every page in the lgpedia was a tribute to me." - Yeah, you wish! lol. Now take some more LonelyCrack! -- [[User:Dream|Dream]] 15:11, 4 January 2007 (CST)

== haha. ==

i liked that. it gave me a good laugh. 
Phorum member iris2009 (the new Bukanator V*)has started a tw tribute thread here:
http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4953 --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 16:25, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Your a Great guy, dont change for no one :) --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 20:33, 30 January 2007 (CST)

== The IP vandal ==

While I may agree with your comment on [[User:205.188.116.17]]'s page, there's no need to stoop to personal attacks to show that you dislike that person's own personal attacks. The best thing to do is revert those edits when they happen and go on with life.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
: I know. Just being a bit silly. No offense intended. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 22:14, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

::Okay, fair enough. Just thought I'd let you know.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:20, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Aww, Jonpro takes the high road... yep, I guess the rest of us are just showing solidarity. I have to admit I snickered to myself a little bit when I saw Milo's comment. I wish that guy would stop ragging on you. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:59, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

::::Okay, maybe I do need to lighten up a little. The whole thing is kind of funny when you think about it. Man it's been a long day. Thanks for keeping the humor in it when I get all uptight. :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 23:08, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

== no people liked the idea so i made a page ==

if you want to delete it go ahead but the term was liked by people who heard it
thats not the only part in the forum where i said it--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 00:16, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

::Ya i totally get what your saying. I just gave the idea, it got a little teeny good reviews,
::and felt like creating a page, and was like why don't i make a page off that. It wasn't
::supposed to be like a oh look i made that name. More just like oh look a page that can be
::created. And your right it is really premature for the term.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 00:30, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

no that solves everything--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 00:41, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

== Deletion discussion ==

* '''Strong Delete''' Milo's reign of terror has lasted long enough. As a retired admin, I compel all other retired admins to vote in this discussion. It's time to delete him. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:56, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
* '''Delete''' I concur with Jay's excellent reasoning. [[User:Twjaniak|twjaniak]] 23:59, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
* I also would like to return from retirement to endorse the '''Deletion''' of this page. {{User:Brucker/sig}} 01:02, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
* '''Strongest Possible Delete''' I hate Milo!!! --[[User:Dharmabum420|Dharmabum420]] 01:07, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
* '''Delete.''' Although I rarely participate in deletion discussions, I concur that Milo has crossed the line one time too many. I would delete the page myself, but I have no idea how the buttons on the wiki work. --[[User:Admin|Miles]] 01:11, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
* '''Delete''', I was never an admin. But I had a cool signature. '''''• [[User:Phuncknasty|Phunck!]]''''' 01:13, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
* '''Keep''' I have to go against the herd on this one. I am sexually attracted to Milo. I want him to stay. With me. Forever. --[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:18, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
* '''Keep''' I agree 100 percent with OwenIsCool. --[[User:Terryfic|Terryfic]] 01:21, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
* '''Delete''' for his rampant Anti-Arab Racism. -- [[Allen Smithee|United Arab Emirates Actors Guild]] 01:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
*: This is a valid point. I forgot about Milo's racism in my nominating statement. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:26, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
* '''Strong Delete''' SMELL MY FISH TACO MILO -- [[User:The fish taco man]] 01:27, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

:: help! --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 00:21, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

::: i think this piling on is a bit unseemely and obviously coordinated. being wrongly accused of shit really sucks. --[[User:IDX84|IDX84]] 00:25, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Milowent

2007-07-26T05:03:11Z

JayHenry: /* Deletion discussion */ fixed a typo

User:Milowent

2007-07-26T04:57:40Z

JayHenry: rv trolling from Milowent -- because of conflict of interest you cannot remove the deletion tag

{{Delete|User is a loser}}

Milowent has been accused of actually being Miles Beckett, but no one has ever been able to confirm that. Milowent's only defense has been to say that he is better looking.

links:

http://milowent.blogspot.com

http://www.anchor-cove.net

http://www.myspace.com/milowent

{{Userbox OldPhorum}}
{{userbox cheese}}
{{Userbox FanDate|Oct 1987}}
{{Userbox McPheever}}
{{Userbox BJ hookup}}

User talk:Milowent

2007-07-26T04:56:23Z

JayHenry: Deletion discussion

Talk:436

2007-07-26T04:51:38Z

JayHenry: /* This page has already been nominated for deletion */

It doesn't.

The deletion nomination doesn't exist either ;)
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:13, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

== Do not delete it! ==

Do not delete it because, it doesn't exist... really!

I didn't even think that it would have lasted this long xD I only created it as a joke :3
I mean I would have if it didn't exist. ;D [[User:Demented Llama|Demented Llama]] 15:28, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

:We have no problem with humor here. I mean, if you want an article called....... wait, what were we talking about?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:36, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

I haven't the foggiest where I am. --[[User:Demented Llama|Demented Llama]] 05:33, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

:It actually shouldnt be deleted, but perhaps a link should be added to direct people to someplace that actually explains it. I know its around here somewhere. --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 18:06, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

::Yes -- please, for god sake, someone explain to me what the hell this is all about! I mean, it's a funny concept, but where did it originate? ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 15:06, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

And to whoever is categorizing these sites, please put it into the same category as "orange slurpee" (I have no idea how to do it). 436, LG15's very own black hole... [[User:Dream|Dream]] 12:29, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

== Linking the 436 ==
I am not sure that the 436 should be linked to any other page. I understand the need to not have orphan pages and why they often get nominated for deletion. However the very nature of 436 means it does not exist and any link suggests that it does exist. This is a dilmemma indeed. Perhaps Joe should be consulted to find out if a link violates the nature of 436. Also perhaps the admins can advise on whether and orphaned page would be allowed given the nature of the 436.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 18:22, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

== Description ==
Joe suggested that an alternative description might be:

“You are not reading this page because it doesn’t exit.”

I just dont know. I am torn on that one.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 20:04, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

== This page has already been nominated for deletion ==

and rejected. it is a humor page, and we all need a little humor in life. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 23:37, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

: I vote to '''delete''' Milowent. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:38, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

::Why don't we merge it with the video made about the number by kelseygirl15.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:47, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

::: I don't think that Kelseygirl15 made Milowent. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:49, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

:::: they aren't the same thing. if you don't know about the 436, you shouldn't be editing these pages. just like i don't edit opaphid pages, because i didn't follow opaphid closely enough to be comfortable doing so. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 23:50, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

::::: this article doesn't exist, therefore neither does this talk page, or this discussion, nor that nomination for deletion. You can't delete something that isn't there to start with.

:::::: Stop changing the subject Milowent! We're talking about deleting '''''YOU'''''. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:51, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

User talk:JayHenry

2007-07-26T04:50:59Z

JayHenry: /* Are You Back! */

Talk:436

2007-07-26T04:49:02Z

JayHenry: /* This page has already been nominated for deletion */

User:Milowent

2007-07-26T04:46:56Z

JayHenry: delete please!

User talk:JayHenry

2007-07-26T04:46:30Z

JayHenry: /* Are You Back! */

Talk:436

2007-07-26T04:38:23Z

JayHenry: /* This page has already been nominated for deletion */

LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony

2007-07-25T21:44:14Z

JayHenry: /* Award Ceremony */ nominee for best user page

[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

[[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|In happier days, friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] (now retired), [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] (also retired) enjoyed unseasonably warm afternoons on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&action=edit&section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.

For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].

[[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

 

__TOC__

== General deletion/inclusion guidelines ==

As a result of the discussion on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]] and also somewhat on [[LGPedia:Tasks/Completed#LordGreystoke422's videos]], I think it's high time we figured out exactly what our deletion and inclusion policy is here. Currently our [[LGPedia:Deletion Policy|deletion policy]] is rather minimal and very much open to interpretation. There was a discussion about this on [[LGPedia talk:Deletion Policy]] quite a while back, and most of that is probably still applicable, but I have a feeling people will have some new ideas as well. I think the best way to handle the inclusion aspect of this would be to create a list of criteria that are necessary in order for an article to be included here. What we don't want to do is turn into Wikipedia here, but having some generals guidelines wouldn't be a bad idea. Another issue is deletion, which I suppose is very related to inclusion. I guess we could also have a list of reasons for why an article should be deleted, and maybe another list for reasons that ''aren't'' enough for an article to be deleted. Really, this is very open-ended, but I would ''love'' if people would get involved in the discussion here. To put in my two cents, I think a good first point for inclusion would be that it is related to Lonelygirl15 in some way. How closely related it would have to be is a point of discussion I guess, but that's a start at least.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:39, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:Okay, for me, I think that with fan videos, you should kind of look at what the purpose of the videos is, how they tell their stories, and what kind of stories are being told. Like I think videos that seem to be "going somewhere"... like distinctive stories with distinctive arcs may be better with just large summary pages that people can read. It makes it much easier to follow those kinds of stories when things are all laid out in one place. Like, LG422... and GC and such. Those are the kinds of stories I mean. However, with things like say... aaronbeast, where they're kind of... response videos.. or videos that don't really follow a specific story but kind of adapt based on what's going on in the [[Breeniverse]], those should get their own video pages. That's how ''I'' would view it... although I'm not entirely sure that made sense... hopefully it did. :P I'd love people's thoughts please!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:31, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

:I've gotta say, while I did negatively notice this before, when I was looking through the templates to catalogue them, I was once more reminded how many fan-created series have pages here.
:That is not bad per se, but, without going to sound arrogant or anything...many of them are just not noteworthy.
:Example - chosen randomly, not a personal attack: [[Linsy]]. We have a page on her, three video pages with transcripts, and even [[:Category:Linsybeast's blogs]]. And you know what? I have no idea who the fuck that is.
:Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fanfic, fan participation, or anything. But I think we should set a certain standard of "noteworthyness" before listing people here, at least on more than one general site. Stuff like HSAO gained a lot of user traction, and Dr. Immant's videos apparently were quite well done and well-received by fans (never seen them) - but we don't have to have entire catalogues of every video every LG15 fan once did, just because they pretend to be in the Breeniverse.
:Another thing is useless occupation of space; example: There is a hardcoded sidebar-template for "GuillotineCalamity", which means that sidebar is fixed for that video series and cannot be used by anyone else. What's it used for? Two pages that contain barely more than "Transcript incomplete". Check out Category:GuillotineCalamity - the five season subcategories are all empty, and GC Seasons does nothing more than link to these empty categories. Apparently, at least according to the main page on that topic, there actually were quite a lot of these videos. Where are they? Why do we need five categories and a sidebar, if all we have on that series other than the main page are two video pages with no information?
:Like I said, don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fan fiction. But what we're currently doing is like accepting every little essay a grade schooler once wrote into the Great Library of Alexandria. We are flooded with pages that, quite frankly, don't interest anyone but the authors...and maybe two or three other people.
:I don't know exactly ''how'' to solve this problem, maybe by requiring a certain amount of hits on a single page, before branching out is allowed or something, but I think the overall quality of this encyclopedia suffers from this. While fan fiction most definitely is an important part of LG15, this is the official encyclopedia on the official site, sometimes visited by The Creators themselves through their Admin account - I think it should focus on important and official stuff first, and ''then'' on fan faction and trivia. Right now, we have some important core pages, like List of Videos, the video pages themselves, List of Characters and the character pages, and a whole lot of crap that is fun to have, but takes focus away from the efficient administration and care for the important pages. Do we really need a page on [[H.P. Lovecraft]]? As far as I'm concerned he has had ''no'' major influence on the canon. He has enjoyed, ''perhaps'' some passing references, but ''that's nothing special''. Hundreds of videos everyday do that. But they link to Wikipedia instead of writing their own page about him. [[Dava Sobel]]. wtf do we need that for? It's a one line note, ''and'' it's been said on the video page for [[Proving Longitude Wrong]]. There is no reason to have that page.
:Okay, I think you got my point here - it's late, so I'll move on.

:Deletions. Yeeees. Zoey has ignored me for the past few days, so I guess it's evident I have quite some strong feelings on this topic. Most of them I have already posted, so let me just sum things up quickly:
:I have nothing against deletions as such. In fact, I myself have given good reason for the deletion of both Template:PageHeader and [[Template:Clr]], after this whole orgy was over - see the respective talk pages. What I was, and still am, annoyed by is the notion that a template should be deleted just because it's currently unused. A template is a convenience thing. A tool. Do you throw away your hammer just because you don't use it at a given point in time, and then get it back out when you actually use it? I think not.
:If a template is useless and will most likely ''never'' be used, fine - kill it. But if it's a useful little thing, why delete it, just because ''right now'' nobody is using it?

:The discussion also revealed a kind of weird view of deletion around here - apparently, it means nothing. The stance here seems to be to delete something if it's currently unwanted, and to restore it if it's wanted again. And that just takes the use and meaning out of it. A deletion should be a strong statement that the page is not wanted anymore. Instead, it's being used for a crude form of giving the appearance of order - similar to a child that gets the order to clean his room, only to shovel all his toys under his bed. Sure, it looks clean, but as soon as he'll need the toys, he'll get them back out.
:I am not against restoring, I said that. But it should be a tool rectify a mistake - not an action as common as opening a page.
:In fact, this stance is probably connected to what I mentioned above - ''we have too much crap lying around here''. If pages were reduced to essentials and semi-essentials, it'd be a much harder decision to delete anything, simply because it'd have a major impact on the information presented. Instead, an admin can delete half the pages here without fear to destroy anything important - 90% of all users would still find exactly what they want.

:It's two o' clock in the morning, so I'll stop here. I know I didn't present any solutions, but maybe it's better to hear your reactions first anyway. Don't be shy, and don't be afraid to use whatever language you might find necessary. Just remember that we're talking about administrative issues here, not friendship or community. This is not, at least from my point of view, about whether or not somebody's feelings might get hurt if his pages are deleted (be it "my" templates, [[Linsy]]'s blogs, or carefully crafted pages over totally insignifcant details), but about how to get a certain sense of order in this thing, and setting a certain standard of quality.
:You cannot accept everything if you want the average to be good. The question is just if you have the balls to turn people down if it's necessary.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:09, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:*looks up* ...oops. [[Template:Quote]], if anyone is crazy enough to reply.

:BAH, Zoey, out of my line of post! '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''

::@Zoey: Hmm, that's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it would really work. I don't think it would be too fair to say that a certain series shouldn't have video pages just because it has the "story" format that you're talking about. Similarly, there's no reason that a rather minor fanfic video should get its own video page just because it doesn't have that story format. I think the criteria should be something like popularity, connection to LG15, probability of canonicity, etc.

::@Renegade: I think you raise some good issues. Firstly, I agree with you about the problem with notability of videos. I think when the whole [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girl]] thing was going on, every possible "new girl" was given a page, and all of their videos started to be transcribed. This has created a lot of probably-less-than-notable fan blog pages that people may not be that interested in. I think a good solution might be to figure out which ones are actually notable (perhaps page-view count as you suggest or maybe something else), and then determine if we need the transcript pages or just one page for the character that could give a summary of their blogs and general information on them. That way, the notability or important of a fan series is reflected here by how much space, time, effort, etc. we put into it. Again, it might be hard to determine the "notability" factor, but I'm sure we could come up with some method to do so.

::As far as the waste of space, the reason that happens (at least from my point of view) is that we hate to undo someone's work because we either 1) don't want to hurt their feelings (a lame reason really) or 2) think they might come back to it at some point in the future. It's a little similar to the templates you created, Renegade. We see that someone has created something which looks like it could be useful, but isn't really being used yet. We're skeptical about deleting it, and yet it seems like it would help clean up if we do. I think just better communication all around would help solve this problem. We shouldn't be afraid to ask people why they created a certain page, template, category, etc. as long as it's done in a considerate way. If there is a genuine good use for what they have done, then they can explain it. If it was done on a whim or we decide it's not necessary or there's a better way to organize the information, then it can be deleted or reorganized.

::And really, I agree with you about the deleting/restoring thing. What I was trying to say before is that ''if'' a page gets deleted because no one sees a good use for it, then we can ''fix'' the mistake of deleting it by restoring it. I was trying to point that that deletion isn't that big of a deal because it can be undone. Of course, if we think we're going to be restoring something later, then of course we shouldn't delete it. I hope this makes sense, and I'll try to explain better if it doesn't.

::One final word. You're right that we're not talking about friendship or community here, and I agree that people should be free to express their opinions openly. Sometimes, though, this can turn into a war between people rather than between those people's ideas. I encourage everyone to not take anything personally here. As I'm so fond of saying, we're all working toward the same goal, so please remember that and never assume that someone is attacking you personally. Any and all personal attacks here will '''not''' be tolerated, so let's try to not make that an issue. That said, let's continue to have a helpful discussion that will make this place better for everyone.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay I just wanted to say, my idea was for how to handle videos once they're already gotten the stamp of approval to be on the page, based on whatever criteria we set. Because like Renegade said, the GC videos and the CIW vidoes all have video pages, but really arent used. So um, if based on our criteria to get something on the site in the first place, they're still good, I think we should look at the things I mentioned before, and perhaps decide that they don't need video pages, only summary pages (like LG422 videos as well). As far as WHAT those criteria are, I don't really know...

And Renegade, I haven't been ignoring you. I've been reading everything you say very closely. The strength of my opinions on these topics, however, doesn't even come close to yours, so it is difficult for me to give you worthy responses. But I am reading what you are saying and just... trying to take a step back and examine all viewpoints before I give any input on what I think should be done for what things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:46, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Pinging Zoey with 478 bytes of data:
Reply from Zoey: bytes=1006 time=563040000ms TTL=255

:hehehe :D
:Nah, seriously...thanks for replying at all. Although I now feel like a fundamentalist radical on the topic of deletions, it at least gives me the hope I didn't piss you off for good. I do see some irony in the fact that Template:PageHeader still exists, though, given that even I am for its deletion now. :D
:Aaaand that brings us back on topic (ain't I good?): It's dead. Nobody wants to talk, but us. So I propose we do the stuff suggested below, to make people aware of what we're discussing above. Sound like a plan? Good. I'll try to code/design something and ... '''Update:''' I did code something, behold it on [[LGPedia:Participate]]. But now my favorite admistress (or one the other demi-gods) would have to go to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] and add <nowiki>{{LGPedia:Participate}}</nowiki>, as I lack the power to do that. Make sure to add it outside of a block of text though (first thing on the page at best) as everything else fucks it up. Took me three revisions to figure out the template was fine, and the the positioning was to blame. -_- And adjust the top-margin when it's added, I had to guess for now.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:35, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:: It's looking really good. I think [[:Category:Featured article nominees|featured articles]] and [[:Category:Proposed Merges|proposed merges]] should also be added... and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of ATM. I'm assuming it doesn't update automatically though? So people will have to really be on top of it. Oh, and also, I think the text under Participate should be bigger... for those of us who are blind *cough*. I'll see about adding it to recent changes, but I generally fail at that kind of stuff anyways, so it might be better to wait for another admin to come along and make it look nice...
::And um, yeah, I'm going to go delete PageHeader now :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:12, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:The fact that "Renegade" does not know "who the fuck" [[Linsy]] is, is pretty unimpressive criteria for deleting anything a fan has taken the trouble to add to LGPedia. I think the opinion as expressed here is incredibly arrogant and hostile to community (comments such as "grade school", "crap", "having balls" etc. do not inspire confidence). My personal opinion is that unless you are running into some hard technical issue such as exceeding storage space (which is usually absurd these days, but possible), there is very little justification to delete contributions made by occasional posters or those outside the core LGPedia group. That is the opposite of what you should be doing. Add structure? Absolutely. Move really random/disconnected items off to an orphanage for lost pages (or equivalent) sure. But don't delete, and leave a link (comprehensive note on a talk page or comment in history or *some* obvious path to finding the moved article without having to contact a staff member - I'm not sure what the best solution there is).

:There are growing and independent circles of fans, who are every bit as invested and involved in their segments of the Lonelygirl15 community as the few LGPedia mainstays, and the vitality of this effort depends on the confidence that time invested in posting here will not be discarded by someone with a different idea of what is important. That kind of editing would be disrespectful and foolish. My contributions here have been minor, and may not even fit in with your concepts (I don't know), but if I put something here and linked to it from off site, and came back later to check for updates, etc. and found my work silently deleted, I would be angry. That kind of move should be made with the utmost care and respect.

:So address the issues, but find a better solution than deleting even relatively trivial contributions from fans. You never know when they will come back to expand on or edit their work, possibly becoming more significant contributors later. You folks have a great thing going here - there is no need to alienate the occasional contributors. First contributions take the most effort sometimes, and should not be undervalued.

:Maybe a better editorial concept is to think of a core set of pages (a trunk and main branches) that are tightly controlled, surrounded by a cloud of satellite pages (twigs and leaves) that are a bit wild and unruly, with a few orphans that fall to the ground, but are still down there somewhere. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 08:15, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

::So wait, let me get this straight...you wait for eight days, to attack a sentence in a post that's almost three weeks old, over a fact that was clearly introduced with "chosen randomly, not a personal attack"?
::Riiiiiight. Were you bored, or just in an aggressive mood?
::Everybody else got fine that it was an example to illustrate the issues with noteworthyness we have here, and the fact that you can only fight it by dragging it down to a personal level and attacking my credibility just proves to me that I raised an undisputable point; you may not like it, but fact is: In all probability, said "Linsy" adds nothing to the Breeniverse.
::Yes, it is nice to have devoted fans, and yes, the fan interaction in and with this series is great - but that does not automatically mean that the official encyclopedia has to include every single video by every user that slightly, remotely connects to the topic. I have nothing against including notable fans on LGPedia. If a video series gained a big viewership, like the several Cassies or HSAO, or some of the OpAphid analyzation vids, fine, include them - they ''are'' important to the community around the series, and, as such, important to the series.

::But, no matter how arrogant you'd like to interpret this, ''reality'' is: The latest vid of that "Linsy" person has 71 views. It has a page with nothing but a sidebar, and it's a shaky video of her or her character's birthday "partay". Okay. Typical YouTube content. Fine to be online. But why the hell does it have to be on LGPedia? Is it of great importance to the canon? Nope, she's not canon. Is it of great importance to the fandom? Nope, it's had 70 views before I just clicked. Is it an exceptionally well-crafted page? Nope, it's one line with a sidebar.
::She may be a nice person, and her videos might even be funny - but, as of this moment, there is nothing exceptionally significant or notable about them that'd require us to list it here. And the positive effect of having ''everything'' listed gets outweighted by the negative effect of having ''almost everything'' look like crap.

::Even if you wish to list each and every tiny little fanvid, what's the use of listing them if their page says nothing? Let's say we let that page stay as it is. What is the great advantage gained by users through this? Is it that, of nineteen videos existing, only four are listed? Or that, of these four, one fourth doesn't have a transcript? Or that they can read a transcript at all?
::Who is, realistically, going to read a transcript of some girl's fanfic blog?

::You can call me arrogant all you want, whoever lives in reality sees I'm not trying to belittle that girl, but to be realistic. It is great she's active in the community, and it takes a great deal of courage to tape a video and put it out there for everyone to see. But the fact that she's a fan with a video alone doesn't make her or her video significant enough to be put up on the official site next to the information on official videos.
::We should focus on information important to the Breeniverse and the fandom. And some girl's birthday party, as nice as she may be, just has nothing to do with. The maximum effect that page will have on unintroduced users will be that they wonder how she is tied into the series, and get all confused.
::'''Added to reply to addition''':
::That may be a nice idea, but the problem is, would care for the twigs and orphans. We'd have hundreds of unmaintained pages laying around, building a "cloud of crap", so to speak, around the important entries. If someone maintained these pages, it'd be a different issue...but people won't. You can hope and dream all you want, a "lowly" fanfic-video-page just isn't gonna get the same editorial attention as an official video page.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:12, 24 June 2007 (CDT) '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''
::And for the record, thanks to the new sidebar on recent changes, silent deletions are almost impossible now - unless someone disregards all procedures.

::: This was the most idiotic dispute in the history of the Wiki. Just saying! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:09, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:23, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

== Browser neutrality or Official Browser ==

Ok there are some pages ( like the list of videos page ), that have significant differences when rendered in different browsers, and currently anyone can just edit to make the page look good in there own browser, and things don't look quite right in other browsers. I think we need a standard, either we enforce "Browser Neutrality", by not allowing any page design that doesn't look '''as good''' in all Browsers, or we declare one Browser the official Browser, and all pages are '''optimized''' to look best in that Browser, ''' but must still look reasonble in all browsers'''. Realistically there are only 3 Browsers, that we need to concern ourselves with Safari (Webkit), Firefox (Gecko) and Internet Explorer (Trident), since every other Browser uses the same rendering engine as one of them. all of them have pros and cons:

Safari (Webkit) -
*Pros: Renders fonts better than any other Browser, most compliant to WC3 web standards.
*Cons: Windows version is still Beta,
*Other Webkit Browsers: OmniWeb, Swift, Sunrise, Midori, Shiira, Konqueror

Internet Explorer (Trident)
*Pros: Largest market share,
*Cons- Ignores WC3 standards, renders poorly
*Other Trident Browsers: AOL Explorer,Avant, Maxthon

FireFox (Gecko)
*Pros: Good WC3 compliance, best cross-platform support.
*Cons: inconsistent line spacing, adding extra pixels to object heights.
*Other Gecko Browsers: Netscape,Seamonkey, Camino, Galleon, Epiphany, K-Meleon, Flock
. --[[User:Misty|misty]] 14:03, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

:::'''Vote Tally'''
''Browser Neutrality''
# Support Enforced Browser Neutrality
## [[User:Zoey|Zoey]]
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]
## [[User:Modelmotion|Modelmotion]]
## [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]
## [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]]
# Opposed of enforced Browser Neutrality
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]
## [[User:-R-|-R-]]
''Official Browser''
# Support Firefox as the Official Browser
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]
## [[User:-R-|-R-]]
# Support Safari as the Official Browser
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]
# Support IE as the Official Browser

''This is a non-issue''
# We currently test LGPedia pages in the main browsers of the day and check their specific rendering results in something that ranges somewhere between OK and excellent in all of them, accepting they will not be identical. For major pages/portals, the standard is higher and must be in the good to excellent range. I vote we continue this policy and not waste time making pages absolutely identical in all browsers or even declare that we care more about one browser than another. I can live with a bit of white space at the bottom of the List Of Videos in IE... it still looks very good overall but not identical to the better fit in Firefox. (Although, Firefox users can change their font settings to produce a variety of different display results that we just can't second guess.) In the past we have relied on the LGPedia community to spot if a major page falls under the good-to-excellent range in a particular browser and then reacted accordingly. I vote to carry on with this. If you agree, add your name to this list... [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 07:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
## [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]
## [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]] 14:22, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

 

:Didn't we reduce the render-difference to different line heights in List of Videos? At least that's the only significant difference I remember and see...
:Of course I'd love Firefox to become the official browser, but unless that happens, I'd prefer neutrality - 'cause I sure as hell won't develop on IE, and I'm not gonna install that buggy apple thing on my machine.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:14, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
:Personally, I vote for browser-neutrality. As web developers, you want your pages to look nice for everyone who views them, not force your viewers to use a certain browser or "tough luck guys". Plus, with something as widely viewed as the LGPedia, I think it's fair to say no matter what browser would be chosen as "official", there will be a LARGE number of viewers who do not use that. So yes, I vote for neutrality. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:52, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
::Ok well if we for browser neutrality the list of videos page need another redesign, sinse the montage to list alignment breaks browser neutrality. so no pages can be designed to need vertical alignment of independent objects. So it looks like so far everyone is agreeable to browser neutrality, I say that if there are no objections by midnight July 10, that we make that official policy, and add it to the style guide -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:33, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

:::I think different line height is close enough to not count as "differently looking".
:::After all, the only thing different is how far down the montage extends.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:32, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::: Yes it certainly counts , in fact that is the ''main issue'' for this whole discussion. We either declare Firefox safari or IE as the official Browser, and align it for that; or we declare Browser Neutrality and the page gets redesigned so vertical alignment doesn't matter. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:59, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::If you decide to redesign a perfectly fine layout just because the lines are a little more spaced in one browser, you're doing that alone, missy. :P
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:27, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::: That sounds like a vote againsts enforced browser neutrality. Ok so that things don't get confused I'm going to put a vote tally: Please ad or edit your vote appropriately. -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 11:42, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::I use all the main browsers with the excepetion of IE (but including Safari and Firefox). As long as pages are readable on a mac I am happy, but please dont make this a mac vs pc issue.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:50, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm mainly an IE user, but I've also use FireFox as well. I think the best way to go is browser neutrality, since it wouldn't be right to force a certain browser on others. As for that videolist montage, its unmatched with the latest vids from an IE view, but hey, I'm used to it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:43, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
::no one is talking about forcing people to use a particular browser, having an official browser means that pages '''that render differently''' in different browser must optimized for that browser. Currently the list of videos is the page that most renders differently, so saying "I support enforcing browser neutrality, but I don't care about the list of videos" is saying "I don't support enforced browser neutrality". So then we have to pick a browser to '''optimize the list of videos for ''', that's why we would need an official browser. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:56, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
Uh, O.K., I see this has kind of been going on for a while, but I want to jump in. I believe that FireFox should be the official LGPedia browser on account that it is cross platform. There are really no literal "system requirements" which is good, because I run Windows 2K and most newer browsers won't support the OS. I'm not sure if this really effects most of the people on the site, but sometimes it does to me. I don't care if it is the official browser, but if it is at least optimized for a cross-system browser, I'll be happy. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 15:50, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

Well I was hoping that we would have a clearer consensus. from the comments, I'm not 100% convinced that people who voted for enforced browser neutrality really understood what they were voting for. I think we need to give it a few more days, before setting policy. So how about July 15 Midnight CDT -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:01, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

:Finally something ending in central time :D but honestly, I am all for the official browser being FireFox. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 02:14, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

:More importantly, they probably don't know that these three rendering engines ''render pages differently'', and that it's ''impossible'' to "enforce" browser neutrality. If you consider different line-height reason enough for a re-design already, LGPedia will never ever be able to use anything with width and borders again - simply because of IE's box model.
:Again, I reiterate: We should try to get it as close as possible, but trying to enforce the pages look 100% the same is just stupid, because it's impossible - unless you're doing nothing more than colored text.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:55, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
:::the problem isn't that there are differences, between browsers, the problem is that some designs rely on specific alignments to look correct, and if the browsers render them differently, then it doesn't look correct in all browsers. On the other hand if one browsers spaced things at 11 pixels, and another browser spaced things at 13 pixels, if everything still lined up correctly in both browsers, the page wold be considered browse neutral, even though it doesn't render identically in both browsers. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:13, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
Well It looks like Browser Neutrality won out. I managed to make a Browser Neutral version of the LIst of Videos, and maybe tomorrow I'll add Browser Neutrality into the style guide. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

:Congratulations, Misty...you just destroyed half the usability and a good deal of the design of that page just because you didn't like the line height. Way to go. *thumbs up*
:Having it look like crap on all browsers is so much better than having it look differently good on each of them.
:Just look at the fucking mess that is the TOC now - isn't that so much better than having a real list, people?? *rolleyes*

:This is fucking ridiculous. Without the numbering, the page is only a slight bit better than a pure category listing. The lack of numbers also puts all episodes on the same status, meaning early NBR and OpAphid episodes look like they're just as official as a normal Bree-blog. But hey, the line height is equal everywhere! What's factual accuracy if it looks the same on all browsers? *rolleyes*

:I also highly object to the way this was inserted. The Portal/Main Page switch had to be done by today, as per Creator request. We had no time to consider your sudden uprise after you decided to ignore that project for two weeks, only to start bitching on the last day. That was not the case for a LoV redesign. It would have been perfectly possible to leave this piece of crap in your sandbox for a few days and listen to opinions before you make this horrible abomination our official video list.
:Now we're gonna get a flood of bebo-users today who'll think we're too stupid to use a list over a billion s.

:Now tell me, Misty...what is the great advantage we have from equal line heights in FF and IE?
:What enormous change does the "browser neutrality" of your version bring us that it justifies destroying the main focus and the factual accuracy of the page and turning it into a design- and code nightmare?
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:22, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
: What are you talking about????? First of all the it was decided that the OPaphid and NBR videos are as official as the BDJ videos. And if the numbering is so important to you, add the numbers back in. The design of the page hasn't changed very much just the alignment. Maybe you and I, are seeing something different, but besides the line numbers, it doesn't look that different, other than that things line up correctly. Here's a screenshot that directly compares my version to the previous one. How is it any more crap than the old version??? [http://lorem.us/kira/lov.jpg screenshot] -[[User:Misty|misty]] 05:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::"Add Poe Hinder Vilification" is ''not'' the nineteenth episode of the Lonelygirl15 video series, "An update of sorts" is not the 43th episode, and NBR1 is not the 80th episode - yet that is exactly what your list states. Yes, later episodes have been accepted into canon, but that doesn't change the fact that Miss Me? is the only Op video officially listed as an episode, and it doesn't change the fact that even Miss Me? was more of an "evil Danielbeast" blog than an actual OpAphid video. Even the video list on the main page, which most definitely is authoritive, lists OpAphid videos as ####'''b''', not as ####+1. It doesn't matter if you are incapable of seeing how much more crude and less well designed your page looks through your omissions, or if you understand what a horrible faux pas your abuse of s is - the important fact is that your list is just '''''factually wrong''''' and cannot stay that way.
::And I refuse to fuck up the code even more by manually numbering through and handling 250 forced line breaks when a simple ordered list works fine and the only problem was that one browser has 0.1em more space per line.

::There is no justification for this violation. The fact that a page is slightly longer in one browser, without even changing the layout or altering information, cannot possibly be a valid reason to destroy the code, the appearance, and the factual accuracy of a page.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 06:36, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::: The LGPedia is browser neutral people. Deal with it, or leave. Seriously. It's not even negotiable. We're here for LG, not to promote Mozilla. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:19, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::::It's not about promoting Mozilla. It's about commensurability. If you check the discussion logs for the re-design, you'll see that we went through great lengths to ensure that the layout looks equal in both browsers. Have you actually checked the "unneutral" version in both browsers? The only difference is that one is slightly longer, because the line height is minimally higher. That's ''it''. Nothing more. It's not even noticable if you don't know it's there. And for that tiny, little, insignificant difference, Misty wants to remove the numbering, making the list itself incorrect, remove the list code as a whole, making the code semantically incorrect, and she wants to optically destroy the TOC layout. All because of a little more whitespace.

::::This is not about "promoting Mozilla" - if that was my goal, I'd have refused to even look at it in IE ''months'' ago. The very fact that it is that similar proves that I'll go through great lengths to ensure it looks as similar as possible in both browsers, just as the recent re-designs of the main page/portals prove (it's no coincidence there are several revisions referencing "IE fixes" in the history). This is not about promoting Mozilla. This is about stopping an insane crusade with no basis. There is simply no reason to destroy a perfectly fine page on multiple levels, just because Misty doesn't like whitespace.

::::Oh, and for the record: I find it rather cheap of you to discard all factual arguments I made and drag this down to a supposed browser evangelism issue. I don't know if Misty bugged you or if you hold some personal grudge against me, but I made quite clear in my first comment on this issue that I'd of course like FF to be the official browser, but that I do support a ''sane'' neutrality dogma instead.

::::But killing pages over slight whitespace differences is not sane.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::I'm all in favour of passive browser neutrality, but not "enforced browser neutrality" if by "enforced" you mean every page must look identical in every browser down to the last pixel. This may put off the average wiki editor from making changes lest they break the policy and get pounced on by the "enforcers". That is why I voted for the status quo.
:::::As an aside, this discussion is going the way of others on Lucy's Balcony in recent times. A bit too much sound & fury which I'll just put down to everyone's passion for LG. Let's tone things down a bit lest Lucy hears us and finds us all squabbling on her balcony. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 14:02, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::No by enforced I don't mean identical down to the pixel, all browsers render differently, I mean that making the page lay out in one browser doesn't throw it off for another. In the case of the list of videos, if the page length in 2 browsers were 300 pixels apart, but the items on the page still lined up that page would be browser neutral. But the reason the list of videos isn't browser is because, if the list is aligned to the montage in 1 browser, there is an almost a 300 pixel offset in another. The 'status' quo you are talking about, means that people can change it back and forth to align for their own browser. I have no problem with choosing 1 browser as the standard for alignment, but the greatest consensus was for making it neutral, so I devoted my whole weekend to figuring out what would work. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:04, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::::'''Vote to dismiss as non-issue, problem not reproducable under IE 6.'''
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:54, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::::::: Okay, I agree. Non-issue. Let's move on. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:19, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

== A good-bye of sorts ==

There have recently been some changes in my real life. I was unsure what the adjustment would be as far as my time online is concerned. It has now become obvious to me that I will no longer be able to remain active here at the LGPedia. I still intend to read it, follow it and even occasionally edit and discuss, but I don't have the time to faithfully execute the job of administrator. I'm still immensely proud of having been involved with this wiki for the last 9 months and 3600+ edits, I am immensely proud of the quality of the Wiki and its over 1,000 articles. But it's time for me to step aside. Effective immediately, Zoey will now serve as bureaucrat -- she and [[Miles Beckett|Miles]] will be the only people with the ability to create and remove administrators. As [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] and I have been inactive for months, I'll remove our rights. What happens after that is up to you. I wish everyone the best going forward. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:21, 11 July 2007 (CDT)
:Bye Jay!!! :( Definately hope to continue seeing you around, even if it's not on the LGPedia. Thanks for all your hard work for so long! I shall try to do you proud! *cheesy grin* --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:33, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

Bye man. it was good working with you.--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 14:40, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

== LG15/KM ==

This morning I got on the LGPedia for the first time in a while, and found all these changes on the main page and subsequent new main changes. And now, when I browse through articles, I find all this Kate Modern crap mixed in with the Lonelygirl15 information.

I get it. Kate Modern -- woohoo, a new project for the Creators, and hopefully it gives them some added income. But do we really have to mix them? I come to the LGPedia to read about... go figure... LG. So why must I see all this stuff about Kate Modern? From what I understand, they're completely two separate projects.

Can't Kate Modern have their own wiki? I came here for Lonelygirl15, not Kate Modern. The two don't have anything to do with each other, aside from the same creators, so why would we combine them? --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

:Read [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive#Addition_of_KateModern_to_LGPedia|this page]] for the information regarding inclusion of KateModern in the LGPedia as per the request of [[Miles Beckett]]. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::I'd argue this further, but since Miles said it should be done, it seems pointless. Thanks. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:39, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

==No uploading??==

The "Upload File" function doesn't seem to be working since the site renovation (for me, anyway, and judging by the fact that [[Mission Possible]] still doesn't have a pic, probably for everyone else). Is someone actively working to fix this? (Please???) ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 17:33, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

:Hmm, I don't know, but it's not working for me either. Someone should probably send an email to the right person if no one already has. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure if I should just send it straight to [[the Creators]] or to someone else. If it's not fixed in the next few hours and no one has responded here, I'll go ahead and send them an email.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:18, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

::Zoey mentioned she had e-mailed BK an hour ago.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:20, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

We can upload files now (and quite amusingly, [[User:EmoGlasses|EmoGlasses]] and I uploaded nearly identical pictures, respectively called NinjaSpencer and SpencerNinja). However, the picture doesn't appear on the episode template, and in its place is a distracting error message. I've left it up there for now, but I'm sure that someone will revert that... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 23:03, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

: *Hair pull out* Darn error messages! Okay, I'm working on it.. contacting people. Hopefully we get this all sorted out soon! :( --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:32, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

::Make sure to tell them the problem is most likely a faulty installation of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD_Graphics_Library libgd], specific error messages being "<code>Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg</code>" and "<code>Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromgif</code>".

::Googling the error messages should give them enough results to find the error.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:18, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
::P.S.: Did I mention it takes extra-effort to fuck up server libraries while moving around ''content''?

::: The new lonelygirl15 site is blah, IMO. I don't even see why they had to tinker with the LGPedia. Our old design matched, but now the portals, particularly the LG portal, really clash with this new gray/modernist design. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:20, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

::::Wait, are you saying you dislike the LGPedia design or the Lonelygirl15 design? I'm confused. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:42, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

==Redesign of our redesign in response to their redesign?==
Jay's comment above got heads spinning, and the question of the moment is: '''Should we redesign our recently redesigned pages to fit the new look of LG15 and KateModern, or should we stick with what we have now, given that several people commented favorably about it?'''
:I, personally, don't particularly like the new logos (I find them ridiculous), and see no problem with the visual difference between pedia and main site, so I'm not particularly keen on going through an entire redesign again. I'll do my very best if it is wished, though.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:35, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm with Renegade on this one -- the new LG15 logos seem very weird indeed In fact, When I first saw the red LG15 logo (with a red dot) in the corner, I thought it was going to flipflop to a KM logo (with a blue dot) when I visited the KM portal. Sadly it didn't. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:46, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

:: Yeah, I don't think it's necessary to go through an entire redesign. I just wish they'd put our old and familiar blue LG15 box back in the corner of the LGPedia. Unrelatedly, I gotta say, so far, hot as Kate is in a sundress, the KM series isn't doing anything for me. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:33, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

==Award Ceremony==
We should have an annual award ceremony for all lgpedians. If you go onto Zoey talk page you will find my message to her about ideas of awards. If not a whole entire ceremony that the adminastrators can run then it can be just random awards that anyone can give out to who they see fit. [[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:22, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

: I'd like to nominate [[User:Admin]] in the category "Award for Best User Page," for the original version on display [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:Admin&direction=prev&oldid=24567 here]. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:44, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

==Missions Page==
I was thinking about having a missions page for the lonelygirl5 characters. Like a list of their missions, and what worked, what didn't, who was involved, why were they doing this. Sort of like one part of it could be about obtaining jules. Does anyone think we should do that, or not? Does anyone have any new missions? Like they can work with me to find all missions.[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:14, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
:I support this idea. It's good to gather information on a wiki. Anyhow, the capturing of Jules, the getting Bree back millions of times, the breaking into Lucy's apartment twice, the whole deal. Should we create it at [[Missions]]? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 11:27, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, I'm imagine we could add Daniel's rescue, the tailing of Alex, and the search for Isaac Gilman as well! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:32, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
::Someone need to put it on a sandbox and we can all work on it together. I'm not sure how to work with a sandbox.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:26, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Main Page

2007-07-25T21:40:30Z

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''We've had some problems with vandalism on the talk page here. For now, only registered users can leave comments here. If you have a question to ask, feel free to [[Special:Userlogin|create an account]], it's fast, easy, fun and free. Or, if you have questions, you can always ask our administrators, [[User_talk:Zoey|Zoey]], [[User_talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], [[User_talk:Jonpro|Jonpro]], and [[User_talk:Psmith|Psmith]].''

== Talk Archive for Main Page ==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_up_to_November_2006 | Archive up to November 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Nov-Dec 2006 | Archive from November up to December 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Dec-Jan 2007 | Archive from December up to January 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion | Archive of redesign discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign | Archive of final redesign discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Jan-Feb2007]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive of character box discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive_March-Mid_May]]

===How about with colors? ===
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|align=center style="background:DeepPink; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style="background:MidnightBlue; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style="background:DarkOrange; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
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:Hurrah for colors! I love this so much. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 08:46, 13 May 2007 (CDT)

:: I definitely prefer it without the colors. Too many clashing colors is never good design. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:15, 13 May 2007 (CDT)

:::The colors are nice and I like how they match up with the colors id'ing the bloggers on the right side of the page. If you look at the new box along with the rest of the main page, it works. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 22:08, 13 May 2007 (CDT)

:::I agree with Malan89 the whole way. Live? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 16:22, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

:::: I really think it looks bad. Those aren't even the same colors as the initials. They don't match at all. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:27, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

::::: Don't worry about it for now. I think we may be adding a "Taylor" block soon. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:32, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::Please no colors, I'm serious. The Main Page really doesn't need to be tricked out. It has a simple color scheme that works great, and it has some pictures and color accents (like in the Init template) to keep things just interesting enough. I'm actually not a fan of the colored boxes on the characters page either, but if you want to have a little fun with that, fine by me, just leave the main page as is, it looks much more polished and put together without the rainbow of fruity flavors. Like Malan said, perhaps we should be more concerned with whether to add Taylor, Sarah, or Taylor&Sarah together to the Main block. They've already done their first "official" blog on their own, on the left-hand column. Quite the milestone for them. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:27, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::: I'm ok with addeing them, but i think we should wait till it's certain they are going to last beyond this story arc, same thing for Jules. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:43, 18 May 2007 (CDT)
:I agree. Everyone thought Alex was going to be a main character (and she still could be recurring) but we haven't seen her in ages. Let's be patient with with Taylor, Sarah, and Jules --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 20:58, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

== Breeniverse Timeline ==

Now that the Breeniverse Timeline has been cleaned up and brought up to date, we should add it to the main page -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:38, 18 May 2007 (CDT)

:The Breeniverse Timeline has been cleaned up? Finally? I GOTTA GO CHECK THAT OUT! *hops away giddily* [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 16:56, 18 May 2007 (CDT)

==Sarah and Taylor==
Okay, now that Sarah and Taylor have both posted their own video blogs that have been posted on the main site, I think it's reasonable to add them to the main page. I mean, if they ''don't'' end up lasting past this arc, we can always remove them. They just seem significant enough at this point to merit a front-page character box. Thoughts? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:37, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
:I agree with putting them up. The Creators are obviously doing a thorough job trying to fill out these characters with their personalities, their relationships, and their parental issues, so I think they'll be up for awhile. I didn't expect Sarah to actually POST anything outside of a Myspace Blog so soon, but I stand corrected. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:37, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Okay, I went through and found some good images of Sarah and Taylor. They will probably need to be cropped better to match up with the other characters, but I wanted to get some options up. What do people think (I like Taylor 1 and Sarah 3, personally)?

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| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0185-Sarah-in-Car.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0202-Sarah-Quotes.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0202-Sarah-Smiling.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0184-SarahHoldingLipstick-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:Sarahimageforfc.jpg|100px]]
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|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah 1]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah 2]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah 3]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah 4]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah 5]]'''
|-
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| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0185-Taylor.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:TAY001-TaylorSmiling.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:Taylor-IRecognizeHer.jpg|100px]]
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|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Taylor|Taylor 1]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Taylor|Taylor 2]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Taylor|Taylor 3]]'''
|-
|}
--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:20, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

I like Taylor 1 as well (very Secret Agent-y . . . don't ask). But I'm stuck between Sarah 1,3, AND 5. 1 just seems to have that Sarah-randomn-quality to it, 3 (besides the obvious) is from her first v-blog, and 5 matches up with her profile (currently). So I'm stuck on Sarah. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:35, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

I like Taylor 1 and Sarah 3. Taylor 2 and Sarah 5 are also good. --[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]] 19:51, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

:I like Taylor 1 and Sarah 3 as well. The other two Taylor photos are also good in that... well, that room is where you usually see her. But I stand T1 and S3. I'm glad we're adding them to the front page. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 20:33, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Okay, it seems like T1 and S3 are the consensus? Can anyone crop them so that their heads are the same size as the other chars on the front page? Oh and also...

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| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
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| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0185-Taylor.jpg|100px]]
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|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Taylor|Taylor]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah]]'''
|-
|}

OR

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|-
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0167-DanielLaughing-Cropped.JPG|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|}
{| align=center style="background:Black; width:300px; cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-spacing: 0px;"
|-
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0185-Taylor.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0202-Sarah-Smiling.jpg|100px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Taylor|Taylor]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah]]'''
|-
|}

OR um, yeah. How should we handle the alignment with five chars? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:47, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

::Here's a go at front-page quality images. They look bad full size, but I adjusted the face sizing and the saturation (only on Taylor's because it looked so bland between Jonas and Sarah).

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| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0167-DanielLaughing-Cropped.JPG|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0185-Taylor-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0202-Sarah-Smiling-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
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|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Taylor|Taylor]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah]]'''
|-
|}

::I guess that looks a little more consistent? Just trying to help. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 22:08, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

:I'm loving this group of five! So . . . on the alignment,I would prefer upside-down pyramid, if it's not too hard (The codes above look nightmare-ish). It just looks like a horizontal band of five characters would just be too long. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 02:43, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

I feel like the Sarah pic needs to be SLIGHTLY zoomed in more to make her face size more consistant with the rest. I hope thats not too big a problem. Oh, and maybe she should be ''desaturated''.. shes like.. noticably brighter than everyone else... But basically, other than that, are we good to go?

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|-
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0167-DanielLaughing-Cropped.JPG|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
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|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|}
{| align=center style="background:Black; width:300px; cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-spacing: 0px;"
|-
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0185-Taylor-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-top-width: 0px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0202-Sarah-Smiling-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px;"| '''[[Taylor|Taylor]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah]]'''
|-
|}

Here's what I've got based on the current consesus. Like I said, I think Sarah's head should overall be larger to match with the rest of the chars but yeah. Oh, and I iike the saturation on Taylor. Yay, I can't wait for this to go live :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:50, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

:Alright, I resized and recropped Sarah, desaturated and darkened her just the slightest bit (sorry, boys, had to crop the cleavage), so I think she fits in a bit more now. Also, I tweaked the previous code so that the border between Taylor and Sarah is only 1 pixel instead of two. I do like the pyramid... it kind of gives the feel of them being secondary main characters. Plus, it won't stretch things in lower resolutions. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 20:32, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

::I think it looks GREAT!!! If there are no objections shortly, I'll put it up on the main page. Great work everyone!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:36, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
:::: I strongly Object to the Pyramid layout. you put it up before anyone had time to object -[[User:Misty|misty]] 23:14, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

:::It look fantabulous! Great job Zoey, Chartreuse, and everyone who figured out the new character-pyramid! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:41, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
:::: I think it ould look better as a single line with smaller images. the pyramid looks awfull -[[User:Misty|misty]] 23:09, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

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| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0167-DanielLaughing-Cropped.JPG|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0185-Taylor-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0202-Sarah-Smiling-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
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|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Taylor|Taylor]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah]]'''
|}
::The only problem with this is that it's going to look awful on lower resolutions. It'll stretch things all out of whack. I think the most characters you can have side-by-side is going to be four. It really is a shame we don't have one more character to try and balance the pyramid out. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 01:02, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

I REALLY like the way it looks. However, the two columns on the Main Page are now very uneven. For this, I have a suggestion... how about we list the last 5 videos with thumbnails and descriptions, as opposed to 4? It's more consistent with the 5 "previous videos," and it will make the page look much more balanced. Y/N? ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 23:30, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

:I was actually thinking the same, but I thought, 'Hmmm . . . better let someone else bring it up first' --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:55, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

I do actually kind of like the smaller images lined up in one row, but I still worry about what it will do to the page with smaller resolutions. Does anyone with a smaller resolution want to check this out maybe? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:23, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
: in 1024X768 it looks great with 90px images but we can also reduce down to 80px images too. none of the formatted pages look good at 800x600, but I don't think we need to worry about that, since almost no one has a 13 inch monitor anymore. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:25, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
:: without objection I will change the page 12 hours from now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:25, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
:::Sounds great to me. No objections here. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 12:33, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Sure, sounds fine. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 13:28, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::Yeah . . . big pics in a pyramid, small pics in a line, whatever's clever --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:34, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

== Swap Taylor and Sarah ==

I noticed that [[User:FH14|FH14]] just switched Taylor's and Sarah's boxes. I assume this is because Sarah is getting a bigger role now than Taylor? I reverted the change so it could be discussed and also because the borders didn't look quite right. If people want the pictures swapped, just offer your support here and we'll go ahead and do it. As a general rule, though, the Main Page shouldn't be changed without first getting consensus as it is the most viewed page on the 'pedia.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:58, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

:I agree that Sarah's become a more important character (thank god!), so she should be first. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 13:47, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

::I also agree. It would make sense, seeing as it seems as though Taylor has faded out of the picture. --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 18:45, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

:::Okay, I went ahead and changed it. Thanks for the input, Jbshryne and Brooklynxman!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:11, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

::::And you know, with the angle of Taylor's face in that pic, it works better as an end-piece. :-> ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 02:15, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::I like it... and it also works alphabetically! [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:40, 11 June 2007 (CDT)

== Jonas' Picture ==

[[Image:jonasdonttickle.JPG|thumb|left|200px|[[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 21:56, 7 June 2007 (CDT)]]
[[Image:Jonasbyfireplace.jpg|thumb|right|200px|My only concern with this one is that it was previously edited by my friend. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 22:35, 7 June 2007 (CDT)]]

Is it at all possible for Jonas' picture to be sharper? Otherwise, I think we should replace it. I do have another picture in mind. I remember the discussion of picture changes a month or so ago, but I think his picture needs to be either sharper or changed. I'd like to hear everyone's opinion. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 20:16, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:I agree. I always thought the picture wasn't sharp enough. I would love to see the picture you had in mind.--[[User:jeans|jeans]]
::I concur, and besides, that picture isn't doing justice to his looks. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]] 21:34, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:::I like jonasdontticke.jpg (the left image)!!! If you need it cropped/adjusted, let me know. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 23:01, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Yes, I love the one on the left as well! I think it would be great cropped. --[[user:jeans|jeans]]
:::::Any mods like to put their input? [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 22:37, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
::::::The only mod I've seen around lately is Zoey. As for me, the left one rocks. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 13:42, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
::::::Oh, foot in mouth, JonPro just commented above. Anyway, yeah, I'd say at this point, we've got a consensus. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 13:45, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
Oh, me! :P I vote yes! I really like the left picture :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:20, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
:As do I. I just don't know how to change it on the main page. So can we go through with it?[[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 21:21, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
::Someone will need to crop it so that it matches the size/ratio formats of the current images, and then it can be added. Once it's modified I can add it if ya want :P. That's not a problem. We just need to get it looking right! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:24, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
:::I'd crop it... but I have no idea what the current size/ratio format is. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 21:25, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
::::I cropped it to the size, but perhaps not to the ratio. If it's wrong, revert it. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 01:44, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Yeah, his face was too big. Grr. I'll try again... in photoshop. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 01:46, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::Um... you know what? Bad news. There might not be enough "picture" around Jonas's face in that shot (even in the original video) to use that picture, because everybody else's faces are smaller in their pictures, in comparison to their "backgrounds." :-( ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 01:54, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
::::::Yeah, I just tried to play with it... and you can get it to the same size and shape, but his face is way too close to the camera to bring it out and make him match the rest of them. I rewatched that same video to look for a place where there could have been a more usable screenshot, but to no avail. I'm going to go through some recent videos to look for a good screenshot. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 09:28, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::::You know, how do we feel about a shot from [[The Morning After]]? Just looking at the thumbnail that's on the page right now, it looks like the size/ratio would pretty much match up perfectly with the others. The only problems I can see: (1) we would probably want to wait through a few more videos, so we don't have 2 shots from the same video on the Main Page, and (2) he's kind of half-naked (though that might be less of a problem for some than for others...) ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 17:35, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
[[Image:Jonas3.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Too bad his hair isn't up to par. :( --[[User:jeans|jeans]]]]I found another option for a picture. I looked through a lot of videos and not many of them have very good potential screenshots. This one was the best I could find at the moment. Any thoughts?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]

:::::Ya know, I was totally thinking the same thing JB... but I didn't know if it would be okay with everyone with him with his shirt off. Granted, I'd love it, but my decision wasn't based on my "fan-girl"-ness. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 19:29, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
::::::I too like the idea. :)--[[user:jeans|jeans]]

 
It may be difficult to find a good picture of Jonas where the camera is sufficiently distant from his face. See below for 5 pictures of Jonas: the current pic, the current pic sharpened, and 3 new pics from the latest video. However, when you put one of the new pics alongside the other characters, you can see that Jonas's face is too close to the camera. So far, I vote to use the sharpened version of the current pic unless someone can upload some more alternatives (or point me to the relevant video and scene for more photo ideas). [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:37, 11 June 2007 (CDT)

{| align=center style="background:Black; width:300px; cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-spacing: 0px;"
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| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-CroppedSharpened.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0209-JonasToplessInBed-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0209-JonasLaughingInBed-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0209-JonasSmilingInBed-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
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|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''Jonas 1'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''Jonas 2'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''Jonas 3'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''Jonas 4'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''Jonas 5'''
|}

{| align=center style="background:Black; width:300px; cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-spacing: 0px;"
|-
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0167-DanielLaughing-Cropped.JPG|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-CroppedSharpened.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0202-Sarah-Smiling-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0185-Taylor-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Taylor|Taylor]]'''
|}

{| align=center style="background:Black; width:300px; cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-spacing: 0px;"
|-
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0167-DanielLaughing-Cropped.JPG|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0209-JonasSmilingInBed-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0202-Sarah-Smiling-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0185-Taylor-Cropped.jpg|90px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Taylor|Taylor]]'''
|}
<center>[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:37, 11 June 2007 (CDT)</center>
 

Haha, those three new ones actually kind of scare me. I vote for the sharpened current one too. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 11:38, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
:Man... why does that pic from [[Bedside Manner]] have to be too big?? Yeah, I agree, the sharpened current is already a huge improvement. The Creators had better give us a nice shot of him soon, from far enough away... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 16:45, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
:I agree, the sharpened version of the current picture is WAY cool.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]
:: I also agree, but it is higher in contrast and saturation than the others, I think that it should be the benchmark and the others should be matched to it since all of them are a little too dull. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:29, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
:I also enjoy seeing a clearer version of the current picture of Jonas. Keep the same shot, just pick the clearer one! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:48, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

::I love the sharper version. Great job whoever did it! [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 23:06, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
:::OK, it looks like you all like the sharpened version so I'll go ahead and update the main page. Misty, I'll look at adjusting the sharpness of the other headshots too, but I'll post them here first. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:39, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] July 11]]{{Clr}}
I'm going to just throw another headshot out there and see if anyone likes it better than the current one. It obviously would still need to be properly cropped and sized.--[[user:jeans|jeans]] July 11
: I love this! I was actually thinking "he looks so nice" as I was watching this video today. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 15:36, 11 July 2007 (CDT)
:: =D Me too.--[[user:jeans|jeans]] 16:06, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
::: Haha, this is the main reason I came to the discussion page tonight. I am all for this (of course, if it's possible). [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 00:59, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

== Adding Spencer, changing sizes. ==

Because it has been announced that Spencer will be with us as a series regular for at least the next two months, should we add him to the front page? If we do, we'll have to change the sizes of the character images because five on the top and one on the bottom would look kind of cluttered. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:10, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

(EDIT: we could also make the sizes bigger to make it three on the top, three on the bottom) Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:12, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

:I had been playing with that earlier today, actually! [[User:Chartreuse/Sandbox | My Sandbox]] --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 18:15, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

::Oh, I see! I'm glad you're working with it! Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:20, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

:::Any feedback would be lovely. This is what I have at this point:
{| align=center style="background:Black; width:300px; cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-spacing: 0px;"
|-
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0167-DanielLaughing-Cropped.JPG|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|}
{| align=center style="background:Black; width:300px; cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-spacing: 0px;"
|-
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0185-Taylor-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0202-Sarah-Smiling-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-top-width: 0px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0222-SpencerLaughing-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px;"| '''[[Taylor|Taylor]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-right-width: 0; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Sarah|Sarah]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Spencer|Spencer]]'''
|-
|}

::: i like that. 5 across was looking a little long to me, actually --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 07:54, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

I think it's a fine idea, and it looks good, but I propose we wait to make any changes until we make the whole Portal pages live, just so we don't overcomplicate things. *nods* --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:40, 10 July 2007 (CDT)
: Oh, that's what I had figured on, which is why it was just on my sandbox page for now. I just had Photoshop open at the same time as Spencer's latest, so I was like... HMMM... *nods back* --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 18:46, 10 July 2007 (CDT)
::Okay awesome :) Ooh, hey, if you've still got PS open, someone needs to crop the images on [[User:Zoey/sandbox]] to make them fit in the boxes properly. It might involve cropping.. or adding like.. a white background or something.. I dont know, whatever to make it look good. But yeah, just a though, especially if you have PS opened already :) Thanks. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:50, 10 July 2007 (CDT)
:: O.O! I refuse to admit to the fact that I had already been messing with them. Scary! --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 18:55, 10 July 2007 (CDT)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>raises hand* I volunteer to crop *runs to PhotoPlus* MEEP Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:27, 10 July 2007 (CDT)
:::And heeeerrrreee we go!
:::[[Image:LG15PortalImageCropped.jpg]]
:::[[Image:KateModernPortalImageCropped.jpg]]
:::I'll go ahead and put them in your sandbox now, Zoey. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:47, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

The LG one looks good, but does the KM one look slightly fuzzy to anyone else? Is that fixable? Gah, I hope we get the "new" cast photos Miles promised soon, I don't like how these two are so vastly different in sizes with the people (the Kate cast is so BIG compared to the LG cast! Haha). Other than that though, I think it's good. Anyone else have any thoughts? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:25, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

:With the KM one, it was already fuzzy. That is the sharpened version, but I'll sharpen it a bit more. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 20:26, 10 July 2007 (CDT)
::OK, hows this:
::[[Image:KateModernPortalImageSharpened.jpg]]
::It's increased a little bit. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 20:32, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

::(Ooops, wrong size (and I airbrushed a little bit.) Here:
::[[Image:KateModernPortalImageAirbrushed.jpg]]
::Hows that?) Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 20:37, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

::: Those look nice. Only thing I recommend (if possible) is sharpening around Gavin's head and Kate's head. Otherwise it's a vast improvement. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 00:58, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

::::Ok, I went a little airbrush crazy on this one, but deal with it. The shadows were bugging me.
::::[[Image:KateModernPortalImagePhotoshopped.jpg]]
::::Soooo...? Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 01:46, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
::::On second thought, I don't like it. What is everyone else's opinion? Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 01:58, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

== Adding on to the navigation ==

Whoever has access to edit the navigation bar on the side will soon need to add the KM and LG portals on. This will be more convenient for editors and users to navigate between the shows. Just bringing this to attention. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 22:01, 14 July 2007 (CDT)

:: I think that the Portal links should be at the top. So it would go Portal, Videos, Forums, List of Videos. I think it makes more sense considering we're at the 'pedia, so the Portal should be first. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 13:51, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

::: Yeah, I agree with Chelsey. I'd fix it but I gave up my sysop rights! :*( Anybody who has sysop access can change the sidebar here: [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]].--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:40, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

== This is Probably Just Stupid But... ==

...The main page, i like it but for some reason i don't think it looks wiki like. It is cool but needs to look more like a wiki. But my opinion is just an opinion.
----
:Well, in my opinion, you're wrong :P
:Seriously, though, pick any other skin, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=58212&useskin=cologneblue and the old main page looks different as well]. Just because wikipedia has a certain design doesn't make that the ultimate "wiki" design. There are dozens of skins for the MediaWiki software alone, and dozens of other wiki softwares as well. Look at [[MemoryAlpha:Main Page]] - they're using the same software both Wikipedia and LGPedia use - yet they look totally different.
:We acknowledge your wish to have the main page look more like a generic wikipedia clone, but I, personally, do not support it :P
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:14, 22 July 2007 (CDT)

LGPedia talk:General style guide

2007-07-25T21:37:13Z

JayHenry:

==Fun Fact==
Sarah just canonized Jonas's for fans of the General Style Guide! (Check her latest MySpace blog . . . ) :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:03, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

: It's been canon since at least [[Gemma, Who Are You?]] :) --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:37, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony

2007-07-25T21:33:12Z

JayHenry: /* Redesign of our redesign in response to their redesign? */

[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

[[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|In happier days, friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] (now retired), [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] (also retired) enjoyed unseasonably warm afternoons on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

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== General deletion/inclusion guidelines ==

As a result of the discussion on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]] and also somewhat on [[LGPedia:Tasks/Completed#LordGreystoke422's videos]], I think it's high time we figured out exactly what our deletion and inclusion policy is here. Currently our [[LGPedia:Deletion Policy|deletion policy]] is rather minimal and very much open to interpretation. There was a discussion about this on [[LGPedia talk:Deletion Policy]] quite a while back, and most of that is probably still applicable, but I have a feeling people will have some new ideas as well. I think the best way to handle the inclusion aspect of this would be to create a list of criteria that are necessary in order for an article to be included here. What we don't want to do is turn into Wikipedia here, but having some generals guidelines wouldn't be a bad idea. Another issue is deletion, which I suppose is very related to inclusion. I guess we could also have a list of reasons for why an article should be deleted, and maybe another list for reasons that ''aren't'' enough for an article to be deleted. Really, this is very open-ended, but I would ''love'' if people would get involved in the discussion here. To put in my two cents, I think a good first point for inclusion would be that it is related to Lonelygirl15 in some way. How closely related it would have to be is a point of discussion I guess, but that's a start at least.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:39, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:Okay, for me, I think that with fan videos, you should kind of look at what the purpose of the videos is, how they tell their stories, and what kind of stories are being told. Like I think videos that seem to be "going somewhere"... like distinctive stories with distinctive arcs may be better with just large summary pages that people can read. It makes it much easier to follow those kinds of stories when things are all laid out in one place. Like, LG422... and GC and such. Those are the kinds of stories I mean. However, with things like say... aaronbeast, where they're kind of... response videos.. or videos that don't really follow a specific story but kind of adapt based on what's going on in the [[Breeniverse]], those should get their own video pages. That's how ''I'' would view it... although I'm not entirely sure that made sense... hopefully it did. :P I'd love people's thoughts please!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:31, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

:I've gotta say, while I did negatively notice this before, when I was looking through the templates to catalogue them, I was once more reminded how many fan-created series have pages here.
:That is not bad per se, but, without going to sound arrogant or anything...many of them are just not noteworthy.
:Example - chosen randomly, not a personal attack: [[Linsy]]. We have a page on her, three video pages with transcripts, and even [[:Category:Linsybeast's blogs]]. And you know what? I have no idea who the fuck that is.
:Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fanfic, fan participation, or anything. But I think we should set a certain standard of "noteworthyness" before listing people here, at least on more than one general site. Stuff like HSAO gained a lot of user traction, and Dr. Immant's videos apparently were quite well done and well-received by fans (never seen them) - but we don't have to have entire catalogues of every video every LG15 fan once did, just because they pretend to be in the Breeniverse.
:Another thing is useless occupation of space; example: There is a hardcoded sidebar-template for "GuillotineCalamity", which means that sidebar is fixed for that video series and cannot be used by anyone else. What's it used for? Two pages that contain barely more than "Transcript incomplete". Check out Category:GuillotineCalamity - the five season subcategories are all empty, and GC Seasons does nothing more than link to these empty categories. Apparently, at least according to the main page on that topic, there actually were quite a lot of these videos. Where are they? Why do we need five categories and a sidebar, if all we have on that series other than the main page are two video pages with no information?
:Like I said, don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fan fiction. But what we're currently doing is like accepting every little essay a grade schooler once wrote into the Great Library of Alexandria. We are flooded with pages that, quite frankly, don't interest anyone but the authors...and maybe two or three other people.
:I don't know exactly ''how'' to solve this problem, maybe by requiring a certain amount of hits on a single page, before branching out is allowed or something, but I think the overall quality of this encyclopedia suffers from this. While fan fiction most definitely is an important part of LG15, this is the official encyclopedia on the official site, sometimes visited by The Creators themselves through their Admin account - I think it should focus on important and official stuff first, and ''then'' on fan faction and trivia. Right now, we have some important core pages, like List of Videos, the video pages themselves, List of Characters and the character pages, and a whole lot of crap that is fun to have, but takes focus away from the efficient administration and care for the important pages. Do we really need a page on [[H.P. Lovecraft]]? As far as I'm concerned he has had ''no'' major influence on the canon. He has enjoyed, ''perhaps'' some passing references, but ''that's nothing special''. Hundreds of videos everyday do that. But they link to Wikipedia instead of writing their own page about him. [[Dava Sobel]]. wtf do we need that for? It's a one line note, ''and'' it's been said on the video page for [[Proving Longitude Wrong]]. There is no reason to have that page.
:Okay, I think you got my point here - it's late, so I'll move on.

:Deletions. Yeeees. Zoey has ignored me for the past few days, so I guess it's evident I have quite some strong feelings on this topic. Most of them I have already posted, so let me just sum things up quickly:
:I have nothing against deletions as such. In fact, I myself have given good reason for the deletion of both Template:PageHeader and [[Template:Clr]], after this whole orgy was over - see the respective talk pages. What I was, and still am, annoyed by is the notion that a template should be deleted just because it's currently unused. A template is a convenience thing. A tool. Do you throw away your hammer just because you don't use it at a given point in time, and then get it back out when you actually use it? I think not.
:If a template is useless and will most likely ''never'' be used, fine - kill it. But if it's a useful little thing, why delete it, just because ''right now'' nobody is using it?

:The discussion also revealed a kind of weird view of deletion around here - apparently, it means nothing. The stance here seems to be to delete something if it's currently unwanted, and to restore it if it's wanted again. And that just takes the use and meaning out of it. A deletion should be a strong statement that the page is not wanted anymore. Instead, it's being used for a crude form of giving the appearance of order - similar to a child that gets the order to clean his room, only to shovel all his toys under his bed. Sure, it looks clean, but as soon as he'll need the toys, he'll get them back out.
:I am not against restoring, I said that. But it should be a tool rectify a mistake - not an action as common as opening a page.
:In fact, this stance is probably connected to what I mentioned above - ''we have too much crap lying around here''. If pages were reduced to essentials and semi-essentials, it'd be a much harder decision to delete anything, simply because it'd have a major impact on the information presented. Instead, an admin can delete half the pages here without fear to destroy anything important - 90% of all users would still find exactly what they want.

:It's two o' clock in the morning, so I'll stop here. I know I didn't present any solutions, but maybe it's better to hear your reactions first anyway. Don't be shy, and don't be afraid to use whatever language you might find necessary. Just remember that we're talking about administrative issues here, not friendship or community. This is not, at least from my point of view, about whether or not somebody's feelings might get hurt if his pages are deleted (be it "my" templates, [[Linsy]]'s blogs, or carefully crafted pages over totally insignifcant details), but about how to get a certain sense of order in this thing, and setting a certain standard of quality.
:You cannot accept everything if you want the average to be good. The question is just if you have the balls to turn people down if it's necessary.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:09, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:*looks up* ...oops. [[Template:Quote]], if anyone is crazy enough to reply.

:BAH, Zoey, out of my line of post! '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''

::@Zoey: Hmm, that's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it would really work. I don't think it would be too fair to say that a certain series shouldn't have video pages just because it has the "story" format that you're talking about. Similarly, there's no reason that a rather minor fanfic video should get its own video page just because it doesn't have that story format. I think the criteria should be something like popularity, connection to LG15, probability of canonicity, etc.

::@Renegade: I think you raise some good issues. Firstly, I agree with you about the problem with notability of videos. I think when the whole [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girl]] thing was going on, every possible "new girl" was given a page, and all of their videos started to be transcribed. This has created a lot of probably-less-than-notable fan blog pages that people may not be that interested in. I think a good solution might be to figure out which ones are actually notable (perhaps page-view count as you suggest or maybe something else), and then determine if we need the transcript pages or just one page for the character that could give a summary of their blogs and general information on them. That way, the notability or important of a fan series is reflected here by how much space, time, effort, etc. we put into it. Again, it might be hard to determine the "notability" factor, but I'm sure we could come up with some method to do so.

::As far as the waste of space, the reason that happens (at least from my point of view) is that we hate to undo someone's work because we either 1) don't want to hurt their feelings (a lame reason really) or 2) think they might come back to it at some point in the future. It's a little similar to the templates you created, Renegade. We see that someone has created something which looks like it could be useful, but isn't really being used yet. We're skeptical about deleting it, and yet it seems like it would help clean up if we do. I think just better communication all around would help solve this problem. We shouldn't be afraid to ask people why they created a certain page, template, category, etc. as long as it's done in a considerate way. If there is a genuine good use for what they have done, then they can explain it. If it was done on a whim or we decide it's not necessary or there's a better way to organize the information, then it can be deleted or reorganized.

::And really, I agree with you about the deleting/restoring thing. What I was trying to say before is that ''if'' a page gets deleted because no one sees a good use for it, then we can ''fix'' the mistake of deleting it by restoring it. I was trying to point that that deletion isn't that big of a deal because it can be undone. Of course, if we think we're going to be restoring something later, then of course we shouldn't delete it. I hope this makes sense, and I'll try to explain better if it doesn't.

::One final word. You're right that we're not talking about friendship or community here, and I agree that people should be free to express their opinions openly. Sometimes, though, this can turn into a war between people rather than between those people's ideas. I encourage everyone to not take anything personally here. As I'm so fond of saying, we're all working toward the same goal, so please remember that and never assume that someone is attacking you personally. Any and all personal attacks here will '''not''' be tolerated, so let's try to not make that an issue. That said, let's continue to have a helpful discussion that will make this place better for everyone.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay I just wanted to say, my idea was for how to handle videos once they're already gotten the stamp of approval to be on the page, based on whatever criteria we set. Because like Renegade said, the GC videos and the CIW vidoes all have video pages, but really arent used. So um, if based on our criteria to get something on the site in the first place, they're still good, I think we should look at the things I mentioned before, and perhaps decide that they don't need video pages, only summary pages (like LG422 videos as well). As far as WHAT those criteria are, I don't really know...

And Renegade, I haven't been ignoring you. I've been reading everything you say very closely. The strength of my opinions on these topics, however, doesn't even come close to yours, so it is difficult for me to give you worthy responses. But I am reading what you are saying and just... trying to take a step back and examine all viewpoints before I give any input on what I think should be done for what things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:46, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Pinging Zoey with 478 bytes of data:
Reply from Zoey: bytes=1006 time=563040000ms TTL=255

:hehehe :D
:Nah, seriously...thanks for replying at all. Although I now feel like a fundamentalist radical on the topic of deletions, it at least gives me the hope I didn't piss you off for good. I do see some irony in the fact that Template:PageHeader still exists, though, given that even I am for its deletion now. :D
:Aaaand that brings us back on topic (ain't I good?): It's dead. Nobody wants to talk, but us. So I propose we do the stuff suggested below, to make people aware of what we're discussing above. Sound like a plan? Good. I'll try to code/design something and ... '''Update:''' I did code something, behold it on [[LGPedia:Participate]]. But now my favorite admistress (or one the other demi-gods) would have to go to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] and add <nowiki>{{LGPedia:Participate}}</nowiki>, as I lack the power to do that. Make sure to add it outside of a block of text though (first thing on the page at best) as everything else fucks it up. Took me three revisions to figure out the template was fine, and the the positioning was to blame. -_- And adjust the top-margin when it's added, I had to guess for now.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:35, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:: It's looking really good. I think [[:Category:Featured article nominees|featured articles]] and [[:Category:Proposed Merges|proposed merges]] should also be added... and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of ATM. I'm assuming it doesn't update automatically though? So people will have to really be on top of it. Oh, and also, I think the text under Participate should be bigger... for those of us who are blind *cough*. I'll see about adding it to recent changes, but I generally fail at that kind of stuff anyways, so it might be better to wait for another admin to come along and make it look nice...
::And um, yeah, I'm going to go delete PageHeader now :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:12, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:The fact that "Renegade" does not know "who the fuck" [[Linsy]] is, is pretty unimpressive criteria for deleting anything a fan has taken the trouble to add to LGPedia. I think the opinion as expressed here is incredibly arrogant and hostile to community (comments such as "grade school", "crap", "having balls" etc. do not inspire confidence). My personal opinion is that unless you are running into some hard technical issue such as exceeding storage space (which is usually absurd these days, but possible), there is very little justification to delete contributions made by occasional posters or those outside the core LGPedia group. That is the opposite of what you should be doing. Add structure? Absolutely. Move really random/disconnected items off to an orphanage for lost pages (or equivalent) sure. But don't delete, and leave a link (comprehensive note on a talk page or comment in history or *some* obvious path to finding the moved article without having to contact a staff member - I'm not sure what the best solution there is).

:There are growing and independent circles of fans, who are every bit as invested and involved in their segments of the Lonelygirl15 community as the few LGPedia mainstays, and the vitality of this effort depends on the confidence that time invested in posting here will not be discarded by someone with a different idea of what is important. That kind of editing would be disrespectful and foolish. My contributions here have been minor, and may not even fit in with your concepts (I don't know), but if I put something here and linked to it from off site, and came back later to check for updates, etc. and found my work silently deleted, I would be angry. That kind of move should be made with the utmost care and respect.

:So address the issues, but find a better solution than deleting even relatively trivial contributions from fans. You never know when they will come back to expand on or edit their work, possibly becoming more significant contributors later. You folks have a great thing going here - there is no need to alienate the occasional contributors. First contributions take the most effort sometimes, and should not be undervalued.

:Maybe a better editorial concept is to think of a core set of pages (a trunk and main branches) that are tightly controlled, surrounded by a cloud of satellite pages (twigs and leaves) that are a bit wild and unruly, with a few orphans that fall to the ground, but are still down there somewhere. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 08:15, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

::So wait, let me get this straight...you wait for eight days, to attack a sentence in a post that's almost three weeks old, over a fact that was clearly introduced with "chosen randomly, not a personal attack"?
::Riiiiiight. Were you bored, or just in an aggressive mood?
::Everybody else got fine that it was an example to illustrate the issues with noteworthyness we have here, and the fact that you can only fight it by dragging it down to a personal level and attacking my credibility just proves to me that I raised an undisputable point; you may not like it, but fact is: In all probability, said "Linsy" adds nothing to the Breeniverse.
::Yes, it is nice to have devoted fans, and yes, the fan interaction in and with this series is great - but that does not automatically mean that the official encyclopedia has to include every single video by every user that slightly, remotely connects to the topic. I have nothing against including notable fans on LGPedia. If a video series gained a big viewership, like the several Cassies or HSAO, or some of the OpAphid analyzation vids, fine, include them - they ''are'' important to the community around the series, and, as such, important to the series.

::But, no matter how arrogant you'd like to interpret this, ''reality'' is: The latest vid of that "Linsy" person has 71 views. It has a page with nothing but a sidebar, and it's a shaky video of her or her character's birthday "partay". Okay. Typical YouTube content. Fine to be online. But why the hell does it have to be on LGPedia? Is it of great importance to the canon? Nope, she's not canon. Is it of great importance to the fandom? Nope, it's had 70 views before I just clicked. Is it an exceptionally well-crafted page? Nope, it's one line with a sidebar.
::She may be a nice person, and her videos might even be funny - but, as of this moment, there is nothing exceptionally significant or notable about them that'd require us to list it here. And the positive effect of having ''everything'' listed gets outweighted by the negative effect of having ''almost everything'' look like crap.

::Even if you wish to list each and every tiny little fanvid, what's the use of listing them if their page says nothing? Let's say we let that page stay as it is. What is the great advantage gained by users through this? Is it that, of nineteen videos existing, only four are listed? Or that, of these four, one fourth doesn't have a transcript? Or that they can read a transcript at all?
::Who is, realistically, going to read a transcript of some girl's fanfic blog?

::You can call me arrogant all you want, whoever lives in reality sees I'm not trying to belittle that girl, but to be realistic. It is great she's active in the community, and it takes a great deal of courage to tape a video and put it out there for everyone to see. But the fact that she's a fan with a video alone doesn't make her or her video significant enough to be put up on the official site next to the information on official videos.
::We should focus on information important to the Breeniverse and the fandom. And some girl's birthday party, as nice as she may be, just has nothing to do with. The maximum effect that page will have on unintroduced users will be that they wonder how she is tied into the series, and get all confused.
::'''Added to reply to addition''':
::That may be a nice idea, but the problem is, would care for the twigs and orphans. We'd have hundreds of unmaintained pages laying around, building a "cloud of crap", so to speak, around the important entries. If someone maintained these pages, it'd be a different issue...but people won't. You can hope and dream all you want, a "lowly" fanfic-video-page just isn't gonna get the same editorial attention as an official video page.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:12, 24 June 2007 (CDT) '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''
::And for the record, thanks to the new sidebar on recent changes, silent deletions are almost impossible now - unless someone disregards all procedures.

::: This was the most idiotic dispute in the history of the Wiki. Just saying! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:09, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:23, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

== Browser neutrality or Official Browser ==

Ok there are some pages ( like the list of videos page ), that have significant differences when rendered in different browsers, and currently anyone can just edit to make the page look good in there own browser, and things don't look quite right in other browsers. I think we need a standard, either we enforce "Browser Neutrality", by not allowing any page design that doesn't look '''as good''' in all Browsers, or we declare one Browser the official Browser, and all pages are '''optimized''' to look best in that Browser, ''' but must still look reasonble in all browsers'''. Realistically there are only 3 Browsers, that we need to concern ourselves with Safari (Webkit), Firefox (Gecko) and Internet Explorer (Trident), since every other Browser uses the same rendering engine as one of them. all of them have pros and cons:

Safari (Webkit) -
*Pros: Renders fonts better than any other Browser, most compliant to WC3 web standards.
*Cons: Windows version is still Beta,
*Other Webkit Browsers: OmniWeb, Swift, Sunrise, Midori, Shiira, Konqueror

Internet Explorer (Trident)
*Pros: Largest market share,
*Cons- Ignores WC3 standards, renders poorly
*Other Trident Browsers: AOL Explorer,Avant, Maxthon

FireFox (Gecko)
*Pros: Good WC3 compliance, best cross-platform support.
*Cons: inconsistent line spacing, adding extra pixels to object heights.
*Other Gecko Browsers: Netscape,Seamonkey, Camino, Galleon, Epiphany, K-Meleon, Flock
. --[[User:Misty|misty]] 14:03, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

:::'''Vote Tally'''
''Browser Neutrality''
# Support Enforced Browser Neutrality
## [[User:Zoey|Zoey]]
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]
## [[User:Modelmotion|Modelmotion]]
## [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]
## [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]]
# Opposed of enforced Browser Neutrality
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]
## [[User:-R-|-R-]]
''Official Browser''
# Support Firefox as the Official Browser
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]
## [[User:-R-|-R-]]
# Support Safari as the Official Browser
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]
# Support IE as the Official Browser

''This is a non-issue''
# We currently test LGPedia pages in the main browsers of the day and check their specific rendering results in something that ranges somewhere between OK and excellent in all of them, accepting they will not be identical. For major pages/portals, the standard is higher and must be in the good to excellent range. I vote we continue this policy and not waste time making pages absolutely identical in all browsers or even declare that we care more about one browser than another. I can live with a bit of white space at the bottom of the List Of Videos in IE... it still looks very good overall but not identical to the better fit in Firefox. (Although, Firefox users can change their font settings to produce a variety of different display results that we just can't second guess.) In the past we have relied on the LGPedia community to spot if a major page falls under the good-to-excellent range in a particular browser and then reacted accordingly. I vote to carry on with this. If you agree, add your name to this list... [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 07:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
## [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]
## [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]] 14:22, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

 

:Didn't we reduce the render-difference to different line heights in List of Videos? At least that's the only significant difference I remember and see...
:Of course I'd love Firefox to become the official browser, but unless that happens, I'd prefer neutrality - 'cause I sure as hell won't develop on IE, and I'm not gonna install that buggy apple thing on my machine.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:14, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
:Personally, I vote for browser-neutrality. As web developers, you want your pages to look nice for everyone who views them, not force your viewers to use a certain browser or "tough luck guys". Plus, with something as widely viewed as the LGPedia, I think it's fair to say no matter what browser would be chosen as "official", there will be a LARGE number of viewers who do not use that. So yes, I vote for neutrality. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:52, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
::Ok well if we for browser neutrality the list of videos page need another redesign, sinse the montage to list alignment breaks browser neutrality. so no pages can be designed to need vertical alignment of independent objects. So it looks like so far everyone is agreeable to browser neutrality, I say that if there are no objections by midnight July 10, that we make that official policy, and add it to the style guide -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:33, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

:::I think different line height is close enough to not count as "differently looking".
:::After all, the only thing different is how far down the montage extends.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:32, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::: Yes it certainly counts , in fact that is the ''main issue'' for this whole discussion. We either declare Firefox safari or IE as the official Browser, and align it for that; or we declare Browser Neutrality and the page gets redesigned so vertical alignment doesn't matter. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:59, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::If you decide to redesign a perfectly fine layout just because the lines are a little more spaced in one browser, you're doing that alone, missy. :P
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:27, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::: That sounds like a vote againsts enforced browser neutrality. Ok so that things don't get confused I'm going to put a vote tally: Please ad or edit your vote appropriately. -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 11:42, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::I use all the main browsers with the excepetion of IE (but including Safari and Firefox). As long as pages are readable on a mac I am happy, but please dont make this a mac vs pc issue.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:50, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm mainly an IE user, but I've also use FireFox as well. I think the best way to go is browser neutrality, since it wouldn't be right to force a certain browser on others. As for that videolist montage, its unmatched with the latest vids from an IE view, but hey, I'm used to it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:43, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
::no one is talking about forcing people to use a particular browser, having an official browser means that pages '''that render differently''' in different browser must optimized for that browser. Currently the list of videos is the page that most renders differently, so saying "I support enforcing browser neutrality, but I don't care about the list of videos" is saying "I don't support enforced browser neutrality". So then we have to pick a browser to '''optimize the list of videos for ''', that's why we would need an official browser. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:56, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
Uh, O.K., I see this has kind of been going on for a while, but I want to jump in. I believe that FireFox should be the official LGPedia browser on account that it is cross platform. There are really no literal "system requirements" which is good, because I run Windows 2K and most newer browsers won't support the OS. I'm not sure if this really effects most of the people on the site, but sometimes it does to me. I don't care if it is the official browser, but if it is at least optimized for a cross-system browser, I'll be happy. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 15:50, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

Well I was hoping that we would have a clearer consensus. from the comments, I'm not 100% convinced that people who voted for enforced browser neutrality really understood what they were voting for. I think we need to give it a few more days, before setting policy. So how about July 15 Midnight CDT -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:01, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

:Finally something ending in central time :D but honestly, I am all for the official browser being FireFox. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 02:14, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

:More importantly, they probably don't know that these three rendering engines ''render pages differently'', and that it's ''impossible'' to "enforce" browser neutrality. If you consider different line-height reason enough for a re-design already, LGPedia will never ever be able to use anything with width and borders again - simply because of IE's box model.
:Again, I reiterate: We should try to get it as close as possible, but trying to enforce the pages look 100% the same is just stupid, because it's impossible - unless you're doing nothing more than colored text.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:55, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
:::the problem isn't that there are differences, between browsers, the problem is that some designs rely on specific alignments to look correct, and if the browsers render them differently, then it doesn't look correct in all browsers. On the other hand if one browsers spaced things at 11 pixels, and another browser spaced things at 13 pixels, if everything still lined up correctly in both browsers, the page wold be considered browse neutral, even though it doesn't render identically in both browsers. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:13, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
Well It looks like Browser Neutrality won out. I managed to make a Browser Neutral version of the LIst of Videos, and maybe tomorrow I'll add Browser Neutrality into the style guide. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

:Congratulations, Misty...you just destroyed half the usability and a good deal of the design of that page just because you didn't like the line height. Way to go. *thumbs up*
:Having it look like crap on all browsers is so much better than having it look differently good on each of them.
:Just look at the fucking mess that is the TOC now - isn't that so much better than having a real list, people?? *rolleyes*

:This is fucking ridiculous. Without the numbering, the page is only a slight bit better than a pure category listing. The lack of numbers also puts all episodes on the same status, meaning early NBR and OpAphid episodes look like they're just as official as a normal Bree-blog. But hey, the line height is equal everywhere! What's factual accuracy if it looks the same on all browsers? *rolleyes*

:I also highly object to the way this was inserted. The Portal/Main Page switch had to be done by today, as per Creator request. We had no time to consider your sudden uprise after you decided to ignore that project for two weeks, only to start bitching on the last day. That was not the case for a LoV redesign. It would have been perfectly possible to leave this piece of crap in your sandbox for a few days and listen to opinions before you make this horrible abomination our official video list.
:Now we're gonna get a flood of bebo-users today who'll think we're too stupid to use a list over a billion s.

:Now tell me, Misty...what is the great advantage we have from equal line heights in FF and IE?
:What enormous change does the "browser neutrality" of your version bring us that it justifies destroying the main focus and the factual accuracy of the page and turning it into a design- and code nightmare?
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:22, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
: What are you talking about????? First of all the it was decided that the OPaphid and NBR videos are as official as the BDJ videos. And if the numbering is so important to you, add the numbers back in. The design of the page hasn't changed very much just the alignment. Maybe you and I, are seeing something different, but besides the line numbers, it doesn't look that different, other than that things line up correctly. Here's a screenshot that directly compares my version to the previous one. How is it any more crap than the old version??? [http://lorem.us/kira/lov.jpg screenshot] -[[User:Misty|misty]] 05:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::"Add Poe Hinder Vilification" is ''not'' the nineteenth episode of the Lonelygirl15 video series, "An update of sorts" is not the 43th episode, and NBR1 is not the 80th episode - yet that is exactly what your list states. Yes, later episodes have been accepted into canon, but that doesn't change the fact that Miss Me? is the only Op video officially listed as an episode, and it doesn't change the fact that even Miss Me? was more of an "evil Danielbeast" blog than an actual OpAphid video. Even the video list on the main page, which most definitely is authoritive, lists OpAphid videos as ####'''b''', not as ####+1. It doesn't matter if you are incapable of seeing how much more crude and less well designed your page looks through your omissions, or if you understand what a horrible faux pas your abuse of s is - the important fact is that your list is just '''''factually wrong''''' and cannot stay that way.
::And I refuse to fuck up the code even more by manually numbering through and handling 250 forced line breaks when a simple ordered list works fine and the only problem was that one browser has 0.1em more space per line.

::There is no justification for this violation. The fact that a page is slightly longer in one browser, without even changing the layout or altering information, cannot possibly be a valid reason to destroy the code, the appearance, and the factual accuracy of a page.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 06:36, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::: The LGPedia is browser neutral people. Deal with it, or leave. Seriously. It's not even negotiable. We're here for LG, not to promote Mozilla. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:19, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::::It's not about promoting Mozilla. It's about commensurability. If you check the discussion logs for the re-design, you'll see that we went through great lengths to ensure that the layout looks equal in both browsers. Have you actually checked the "unneutral" version in both browsers? The only difference is that one is slightly longer, because the line height is minimally higher. That's ''it''. Nothing more. It's not even noticable if you don't know it's there. And for that tiny, little, insignificant difference, Misty wants to remove the numbering, making the list itself incorrect, remove the list code as a whole, making the code semantically incorrect, and she wants to optically destroy the TOC layout. All because of a little more whitespace.

::::This is not about "promoting Mozilla" - if that was my goal, I'd have refused to even look at it in IE ''months'' ago. The very fact that it is that similar proves that I'll go through great lengths to ensure it looks as similar as possible in both browsers, just as the recent re-designs of the main page/portals prove (it's no coincidence there are several revisions referencing "IE fixes" in the history). This is not about promoting Mozilla. This is about stopping an insane crusade with no basis. There is simply no reason to destroy a perfectly fine page on multiple levels, just because Misty doesn't like whitespace.

::::Oh, and for the record: I find it rather cheap of you to discard all factual arguments I made and drag this down to a supposed browser evangelism issue. I don't know if Misty bugged you or if you hold some personal grudge against me, but I made quite clear in my first comment on this issue that I'd of course like FF to be the official browser, but that I do support a ''sane'' neutrality dogma instead.

::::But killing pages over slight whitespace differences is not sane.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::I'm all in favour of passive browser neutrality, but not "enforced browser neutrality" if by "enforced" you mean every page must look identical in every browser down to the last pixel. This may put off the average wiki editor from making changes lest they break the policy and get pounced on by the "enforcers". That is why I voted for the status quo.
:::::As an aside, this discussion is going the way of others on Lucy's Balcony in recent times. A bit too much sound & fury which I'll just put down to everyone's passion for LG. Let's tone things down a bit lest Lucy hears us and finds us all squabbling on her balcony. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 14:02, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::No by enforced I don't mean identical down to the pixel, all browsers render differently, I mean that making the page lay out in one browser doesn't throw it off for another. In the case of the list of videos, if the page length in 2 browsers were 300 pixels apart, but the items on the page still lined up that page would be browser neutral. But the reason the list of videos isn't browser is because, if the list is aligned to the montage in 1 browser, there is an almost a 300 pixel offset in another. The 'status' quo you are talking about, means that people can change it back and forth to align for their own browser. I have no problem with choosing 1 browser as the standard for alignment, but the greatest consensus was for making it neutral, so I devoted my whole weekend to figuring out what would work. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:04, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::::'''Vote to dismiss as non-issue, problem not reproducable under IE 6.'''
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:54, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::::::: Okay, I agree. Non-issue. Let's move on. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:19, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

== A good-bye of sorts ==

There have recently been some changes in my real life. I was unsure what the adjustment would be as far as my time online is concerned. It has now become obvious to me that I will no longer be able to remain active here at the LGPedia. I still intend to read it, follow it and even occasionally edit and discuss, but I don't have the time to faithfully execute the job of administrator. I'm still immensely proud of having been involved with this wiki for the last 9 months and 3600+ edits, I am immensely proud of the quality of the Wiki and its over 1,000 articles. But it's time for me to step aside. Effective immediately, Zoey will now serve as bureaucrat -- she and [[Miles Beckett|Miles]] will be the only people with the ability to create and remove administrators. As [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] and I have been inactive for months, I'll remove our rights. What happens after that is up to you. I wish everyone the best going forward. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:21, 11 July 2007 (CDT)
:Bye Jay!!! :( Definately hope to continue seeing you around, even if it's not on the LGPedia. Thanks for all your hard work for so long! I shall try to do you proud! *cheesy grin* --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:33, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

Bye man. it was good working with you.--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 14:40, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

== LG15/KM ==

This morning I got on the LGPedia for the first time in a while, and found all these changes on the main page and subsequent new main changes. And now, when I browse through articles, I find all this Kate Modern crap mixed in with the Lonelygirl15 information.

I get it. Kate Modern -- woohoo, a new project for the Creators, and hopefully it gives them some added income. But do we really have to mix them? I come to the LGPedia to read about... go figure... LG. So why must I see all this stuff about Kate Modern? From what I understand, they're completely two separate projects.

Can't Kate Modern have their own wiki? I came here for Lonelygirl15, not Kate Modern. The two don't have anything to do with each other, aside from the same creators, so why would we combine them? --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

:Read [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive#Addition_of_KateModern_to_LGPedia|this page]] for the information regarding inclusion of KateModern in the LGPedia as per the request of [[Miles Beckett]]. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::I'd argue this further, but since Miles said it should be done, it seems pointless. Thanks. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:39, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

==No uploading??==

The "Upload File" function doesn't seem to be working since the site renovation (for me, anyway, and judging by the fact that [[Mission Possible]] still doesn't have a pic, probably for everyone else). Is someone actively working to fix this? (Please???) ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 17:33, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

:Hmm, I don't know, but it's not working for me either. Someone should probably send an email to the right person if no one already has. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure if I should just send it straight to [[the Creators]] or to someone else. If it's not fixed in the next few hours and no one has responded here, I'll go ahead and send them an email.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:18, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

::Zoey mentioned she had e-mailed BK an hour ago.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:20, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

We can upload files now (and quite amusingly, [[User:EmoGlasses|EmoGlasses]] and I uploaded nearly identical pictures, respectively called NinjaSpencer and SpencerNinja). However, the picture doesn't appear on the episode template, and in its place is a distracting error message. I've left it up there for now, but I'm sure that someone will revert that... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 23:03, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

: *Hair pull out* Darn error messages! Okay, I'm working on it.. contacting people. Hopefully we get this all sorted out soon! :( --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:32, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

::Make sure to tell them the problem is most likely a faulty installation of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD_Graphics_Library libgd], specific error messages being "<code>Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg</code>" and "<code>Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromgif</code>".

::Googling the error messages should give them enough results to find the error.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:18, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
::P.S.: Did I mention it takes extra-effort to fuck up server libraries while moving around ''content''?

::: The new lonelygirl15 site is blah, IMO. I don't even see why they had to tinker with the LGPedia. Our old design matched, but now the portals, particularly the LG portal, really clash with this new gray/modernist design. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:20, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

::::Wait, are you saying you dislike the LGPedia design or the Lonelygirl15 design? I'm confused. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:42, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

==Redesign of our redesign in response to their redesign?==
Jay's comment above got heads spinning, and the question of the moment is: '''Should we redesign our recently redesigned pages to fit the new look of LG15 and KateModern, or should we stick with what we have now, given that several people commented favorably about it?'''
:I, personally, don't particularly like the new logos (I find them ridiculous), and see no problem with the visual difference between pedia and main site, so I'm not particularly keen on going through an entire redesign again. I'll do my very best if it is wished, though.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:35, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm with Renegade on this one -- the new LG15 logos seem very weird indeed In fact, When I first saw the red LG15 logo (with a red dot) in the corner, I thought it was going to flipflop to a KM logo (with a blue dot) when I visited the KM portal. Sadly it didn't. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:46, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

:: Yeah, I don't think it's necessary to go through an entire redesign. I just wish they'd put our old and familiar blue LG15 box back in the corner of the LGPedia. Unrelatedly, I gotta say, so far, hot as Kate is in a sundress, the KM series isn't doing anything for me. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:33, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

==Award Ceremony==
We should have an annual award ceremony for all lgpedians. If you go onto Zoey talk page you will find my message to her about ideas of awards. If not a whole entire ceremony that the adminastrators can run then it can be just random awards that anyone can give out to who they see fit. [[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:22, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

==Missions Page==
I was thinking about having a missions page for the lonelygirl5 characters. Like a list of their missions, and what worked, what didn't, who was involved, why were they doing this. Sort of like one part of it could be about obtaining jules. Does anyone think we should do that, or not? Does anyone have any new missions? Like they can work with me to find all missions.[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:14, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
:I support this idea. It's good to gather information on a wiki. Anyhow, the capturing of Jules, the getting Bree back millions of times, the breaking into Lucy's apartment twice, the whole deal. Should we create it at [[Missions]]? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 11:27, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, I'm imagine we could add Daniel's rescue, the tailing of Alex, and the search for Isaac Gilman as well! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:32, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
::Someone need to put it on a sandbox and we can all work on it together. I'm not sure how to work with a sandbox.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:26, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

A Friendly Lie

2007-07-25T00:03:00Z

JayHenry: note

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==Transcript==

'''Kate:''' Hi! It's me, Kate. Erm, so I'm really happy that you liked my art videos. Ummm, it's my birthday coming up soon and I'm a virgo, liiiiiike, Mother Theresa, Tolstoy and Goethe. Little known fact! They all won the Nobel Prize. Pretty Cool. (''The screen flashes to a shot of what look like bacteria under a microscope for a second''). Have you ever lied to your friends? You have, haven't you! (''Screen flashes to bacteria again'')...Or am I the only one? Little things, like telling someone her bum doesn't look big in skinny trousers. Orrrrr how about telling a friend you're five minutes away when really you haven't left home. That's...a friendly lie, right? (''Screen flashes to bacteria again''). What if it's something...bigger than a friendly lie. (''Screen flashes to extreme closeup of some maggots for half a second''). A lie so big that every time you open your mouth it multiplies. (''A number of shots showing the bacteria and then a maggot riddled burger in a gutter''). And before you know it, you are infested with lies. (''Clearer shot of the burger'')....My name's not really Kate. Well, I mean it's what my friends call me but-I know what you're thinking but I didn't have it planned out...Or did I? I don't mean to be dishonest to the people I care about, it's just that this lie has been around longer than I've known them. When I first met [[Charlie]] she asked me my name...and I said Kate. The problem is, the moment I told Charlie my name was Kate, thats who I've been ever since. She's introduced me to her friends...in fact I'm seeing somebody and...he thinks I'm Kate too...and I really like him.

==Notes==
*This is the longest KateModern video to date.
*Kate said her name is Kate because she trying to protect herself from someone or [[The Order|something]].
*The reason few people know Kate's "fact" is that it is ridiculously untrue. Neither Tolstoy nor Goethe won a Nobel Prize. Goethe had been dead for nearly 70 years when the prizes were created.
* Charlie will probably be pretty surprised to see this blog. Perhaps it was supposed to be a "private transmission," but this was never indicated.

A Friendly Lie

2007-07-24T17:23:27Z

JayHenry: /* Notes */ cap

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==Transcript==

'''Kate:''' Hi! It's me, Kate. Erm, so I'm really happy that you liked my art videos. Ummm, it's my birthday coming up soon and I'm a virgo, liiiiiike, Mother Theresa, Tolstoy and Goethe. Little known fact! They all won the Nobel Prize. Pretty Cool. (''The screen flashes to a shot of what look like bacteria under a microscope for a second''). Have you ever lied to your friends? You have, haven't you! (''Screen flashes to bacteria again'')...Or am I the only one? Little things, like telling someone her bum doesn't look big in skinny trousers. Orrrrr how about telling a friend you're five minutes away when really you haven't left home. That's...a friendly lie, right? (''Screen flashes to bacteria again''). What if it's something...bigger than a friendly lie. (''Screen flashes to extreme closeup of some maggots for half a second''). A lie so big that every time you open your mouth it multiplies. (''A number of shots showing the bacteria and then a maggot riddled burger in a gutter''). And before you know it, you are infested with lies. (''Clearer shot of the burger'')....My name's not really Kate. Well, I mean it's what my friends call me but-I know what you're thinking but I didn't have it planned out...Or did I? I don't mean to be dishonest to the people I care about, it's just that this lie has been around longer than I've known them. When I first met [[Charlie]] she asked me my name...and I said Kate. The problem is, the moment I told Charlie my name was Kate, thats who I've been ever since. She's introduced me to her friends...in fact I'm seeing somebody and...he thinks I'm Kate too...and I really like him.

==Notes==

*This is the longest KateModern video to date.
*Kate said her name is Kate because she trying to protect herself from someone or [[The Order|something]].
*The reason few people know Kate's "fact" is that it is ridiculously untrue. Neither Tolstoy nor Goethe won a Nobel Prize. Goethe had been dead for nearly 70 years when the prizes were created. This may be a clue or it may indicate that Kate is too stupid to use Google.

A Friendly Lie

2007-07-24T17:22:49Z

JayHenry: /* Notes */ kate's "fact"

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==Transcript==

'''Kate:''' Hi! It's me, Kate. Erm, so I'm really happy that you liked my art videos. Ummm, it's my birthday coming up soon and I'm a virgo, liiiiiike, Mother Theresa, Tolstoy and Goethe. Little known fact! They all won the Nobel Prize. Pretty Cool. (''The screen flashes to a shot of what look like bacteria under a microscope for a second''). Have you ever lied to your friends? You have, haven't you! (''Screen flashes to bacteria again'')...Or am I the only one? Little things, like telling someone her bum doesn't look big in skinny trousers. Orrrrr how about telling a friend you're five minutes away when really you haven't left home. That's...a friendly lie, right? (''Screen flashes to bacteria again''). What if it's something...bigger than a friendly lie. (''Screen flashes to extreme closeup of some maggots for half a second''). A lie so big that every time you open your mouth it multiplies. (''A number of shots showing the bacteria and then a maggot riddled burger in a gutter''). And before you know it, you are infested with lies. (''Clearer shot of the burger'')....My name's not really Kate. Well, I mean it's what my friends call me but-I know what you're thinking but I didn't have it planned out...Or did I? I don't mean to be dishonest to the people I care about, it's just that this lie has been around longer than I've known them. When I first met [[Charlie]] she asked me my name...and I said Kate. The problem is, the moment I told Charlie my name was Kate, thats who I've been ever since. She's introduced me to her friends...in fact I'm seeing somebody and...he thinks I'm Kate too...and I really like him.

==Notes==

*This is the longest KateModern video to date.
*Kate said her name is Kate because she trying to protect herself from someone or [[The Order|something]].
*The reason few people know Kate's "fact" is that it is ridiculously untrue. Neither Tolstoy nor Goethe won a Nobel prize. Goethe had been dead for nearly 70 years when the prizes were created. This may be a clue or it may indicate that Kate is too stupid to use google.

LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony

2007-07-24T14:20:35Z

JayHenry: /* No uploading?? */ blah

[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

[[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|In happier days, friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] (now retired), [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] (also retired) enjoyed unseasonably warm afternoons on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&action=edit&section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.

For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].

[[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

 

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== General deletion/inclusion guidelines ==

As a result of the discussion on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]] and also somewhat on [[LGPedia:Tasks/Completed#LordGreystoke422's videos]], I think it's high time we figured out exactly what our deletion and inclusion policy is here. Currently our [[LGPedia:Deletion Policy|deletion policy]] is rather minimal and very much open to interpretation. There was a discussion about this on [[LGPedia talk:Deletion Policy]] quite a while back, and most of that is probably still applicable, but I have a feeling people will have some new ideas as well. I think the best way to handle the inclusion aspect of this would be to create a list of criteria that are necessary in order for an article to be included here. What we don't want to do is turn into Wikipedia here, but having some generals guidelines wouldn't be a bad idea. Another issue is deletion, which I suppose is very related to inclusion. I guess we could also have a list of reasons for why an article should be deleted, and maybe another list for reasons that ''aren't'' enough for an article to be deleted. Really, this is very open-ended, but I would ''love'' if people would get involved in the discussion here. To put in my two cents, I think a good first point for inclusion would be that it is related to Lonelygirl15 in some way. How closely related it would have to be is a point of discussion I guess, but that's a start at least.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:39, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:Okay, for me, I think that with fan videos, you should kind of look at what the purpose of the videos is, how they tell their stories, and what kind of stories are being told. Like I think videos that seem to be "going somewhere"... like distinctive stories with distinctive arcs may be better with just large summary pages that people can read. It makes it much easier to follow those kinds of stories when things are all laid out in one place. Like, LG422... and GC and such. Those are the kinds of stories I mean. However, with things like say... aaronbeast, where they're kind of... response videos.. or videos that don't really follow a specific story but kind of adapt based on what's going on in the [[Breeniverse]], those should get their own video pages. That's how ''I'' would view it... although I'm not entirely sure that made sense... hopefully it did. :P I'd love people's thoughts please!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:31, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

:I've gotta say, while I did negatively notice this before, when I was looking through the templates to catalogue them, I was once more reminded how many fan-created series have pages here.
:That is not bad per se, but, without going to sound arrogant or anything...many of them are just not noteworthy.
:Example - chosen randomly, not a personal attack: [[Linsy]]. We have a page on her, three video pages with transcripts, and even [[:Category:Linsybeast's blogs]]. And you know what? I have no idea who the fuck that is.
:Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fanfic, fan participation, or anything. But I think we should set a certain standard of "noteworthyness" before listing people here, at least on more than one general site. Stuff like HSAO gained a lot of user traction, and Dr. Immant's videos apparently were quite well done and well-received by fans (never seen them) - but we don't have to have entire catalogues of every video every LG15 fan once did, just because they pretend to be in the Breeniverse.
:Another thing is useless occupation of space; example: There is a hardcoded sidebar-template for "GuillotineCalamity", which means that sidebar is fixed for that video series and cannot be used by anyone else. What's it used for? Two pages that contain barely more than "Transcript incomplete". Check out Category:GuillotineCalamity - the five season subcategories are all empty, and GC Seasons does nothing more than link to these empty categories. Apparently, at least according to the main page on that topic, there actually were quite a lot of these videos. Where are they? Why do we need five categories and a sidebar, if all we have on that series other than the main page are two video pages with no information?
:Like I said, don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fan fiction. But what we're currently doing is like accepting every little essay a grade schooler once wrote into the Great Library of Alexandria. We are flooded with pages that, quite frankly, don't interest anyone but the authors...and maybe two or three other people.
:I don't know exactly ''how'' to solve this problem, maybe by requiring a certain amount of hits on a single page, before branching out is allowed or something, but I think the overall quality of this encyclopedia suffers from this. While fan fiction most definitely is an important part of LG15, this is the official encyclopedia on the official site, sometimes visited by The Creators themselves through their Admin account - I think it should focus on important and official stuff first, and ''then'' on fan faction and trivia. Right now, we have some important core pages, like List of Videos, the video pages themselves, List of Characters and the character pages, and a whole lot of crap that is fun to have, but takes focus away from the efficient administration and care for the important pages. Do we really need a page on [[H.P. Lovecraft]]? As far as I'm concerned he has had ''no'' major influence on the canon. He has enjoyed, ''perhaps'' some passing references, but ''that's nothing special''. Hundreds of videos everyday do that. But they link to Wikipedia instead of writing their own page about him. [[Dava Sobel]]. wtf do we need that for? It's a one line note, ''and'' it's been said on the video page for [[Proving Longitude Wrong]]. There is no reason to have that page.
:Okay, I think you got my point here - it's late, so I'll move on.

:Deletions. Yeeees. Zoey has ignored me for the past few days, so I guess it's evident I have quite some strong feelings on this topic. Most of them I have already posted, so let me just sum things up quickly:
:I have nothing against deletions as such. In fact, I myself have given good reason for the deletion of both Template:PageHeader and [[Template:Clr]], after this whole orgy was over - see the respective talk pages. What I was, and still am, annoyed by is the notion that a template should be deleted just because it's currently unused. A template is a convenience thing. A tool. Do you throw away your hammer just because you don't use it at a given point in time, and then get it back out when you actually use it? I think not.
:If a template is useless and will most likely ''never'' be used, fine - kill it. But if it's a useful little thing, why delete it, just because ''right now'' nobody is using it?

:The discussion also revealed a kind of weird view of deletion around here - apparently, it means nothing. The stance here seems to be to delete something if it's currently unwanted, and to restore it if it's wanted again. And that just takes the use and meaning out of it. A deletion should be a strong statement that the page is not wanted anymore. Instead, it's being used for a crude form of giving the appearance of order - similar to a child that gets the order to clean his room, only to shovel all his toys under his bed. Sure, it looks clean, but as soon as he'll need the toys, he'll get them back out.
:I am not against restoring, I said that. But it should be a tool rectify a mistake - not an action as common as opening a page.
:In fact, this stance is probably connected to what I mentioned above - ''we have too much crap lying around here''. If pages were reduced to essentials and semi-essentials, it'd be a much harder decision to delete anything, simply because it'd have a major impact on the information presented. Instead, an admin can delete half the pages here without fear to destroy anything important - 90% of all users would still find exactly what they want.

:It's two o' clock in the morning, so I'll stop here. I know I didn't present any solutions, but maybe it's better to hear your reactions first anyway. Don't be shy, and don't be afraid to use whatever language you might find necessary. Just remember that we're talking about administrative issues here, not friendship or community. This is not, at least from my point of view, about whether or not somebody's feelings might get hurt if his pages are deleted (be it "my" templates, [[Linsy]]'s blogs, or carefully crafted pages over totally insignifcant details), but about how to get a certain sense of order in this thing, and setting a certain standard of quality.
:You cannot accept everything if you want the average to be good. The question is just if you have the balls to turn people down if it's necessary.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:09, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:*looks up* ...oops. [[Template:Quote]], if anyone is crazy enough to reply.

:BAH, Zoey, out of my line of post! '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''

::@Zoey: Hmm, that's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it would really work. I don't think it would be too fair to say that a certain series shouldn't have video pages just because it has the "story" format that you're talking about. Similarly, there's no reason that a rather minor fanfic video should get its own video page just because it doesn't have that story format. I think the criteria should be something like popularity, connection to LG15, probability of canonicity, etc.

::@Renegade: I think you raise some good issues. Firstly, I agree with you about the problem with notability of videos. I think when the whole [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girl]] thing was going on, every possible "new girl" was given a page, and all of their videos started to be transcribed. This has created a lot of probably-less-than-notable fan blog pages that people may not be that interested in. I think a good solution might be to figure out which ones are actually notable (perhaps page-view count as you suggest or maybe something else), and then determine if we need the transcript pages or just one page for the character that could give a summary of their blogs and general information on them. That way, the notability or important of a fan series is reflected here by how much space, time, effort, etc. we put into it. Again, it might be hard to determine the "notability" factor, but I'm sure we could come up with some method to do so.

::As far as the waste of space, the reason that happens (at least from my point of view) is that we hate to undo someone's work because we either 1) don't want to hurt their feelings (a lame reason really) or 2) think they might come back to it at some point in the future. It's a little similar to the templates you created, Renegade. We see that someone has created something which looks like it could be useful, but isn't really being used yet. We're skeptical about deleting it, and yet it seems like it would help clean up if we do. I think just better communication all around would help solve this problem. We shouldn't be afraid to ask people why they created a certain page, template, category, etc. as long as it's done in a considerate way. If there is a genuine good use for what they have done, then they can explain it. If it was done on a whim or we decide it's not necessary or there's a better way to organize the information, then it can be deleted or reorganized.

::And really, I agree with you about the deleting/restoring thing. What I was trying to say before is that ''if'' a page gets deleted because no one sees a good use for it, then we can ''fix'' the mistake of deleting it by restoring it. I was trying to point that that deletion isn't that big of a deal because it can be undone. Of course, if we think we're going to be restoring something later, then of course we shouldn't delete it. I hope this makes sense, and I'll try to explain better if it doesn't.

::One final word. You're right that we're not talking about friendship or community here, and I agree that people should be free to express their opinions openly. Sometimes, though, this can turn into a war between people rather than between those people's ideas. I encourage everyone to not take anything personally here. As I'm so fond of saying, we're all working toward the same goal, so please remember that and never assume that someone is attacking you personally. Any and all personal attacks here will '''not''' be tolerated, so let's try to not make that an issue. That said, let's continue to have a helpful discussion that will make this place better for everyone.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay I just wanted to say, my idea was for how to handle videos once they're already gotten the stamp of approval to be on the page, based on whatever criteria we set. Because like Renegade said, the GC videos and the CIW vidoes all have video pages, but really arent used. So um, if based on our criteria to get something on the site in the first place, they're still good, I think we should look at the things I mentioned before, and perhaps decide that they don't need video pages, only summary pages (like LG422 videos as well). As far as WHAT those criteria are, I don't really know...

And Renegade, I haven't been ignoring you. I've been reading everything you say very closely. The strength of my opinions on these topics, however, doesn't even come close to yours, so it is difficult for me to give you worthy responses. But I am reading what you are saying and just... trying to take a step back and examine all viewpoints before I give any input on what I think should be done for what things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:46, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Pinging Zoey with 478 bytes of data:
Reply from Zoey: bytes=1006 time=563040000ms TTL=255

:hehehe :D
:Nah, seriously...thanks for replying at all. Although I now feel like a fundamentalist radical on the topic of deletions, it at least gives me the hope I didn't piss you off for good. I do see some irony in the fact that Template:PageHeader still exists, though, given that even I am for its deletion now. :D
:Aaaand that brings us back on topic (ain't I good?): It's dead. Nobody wants to talk, but us. So I propose we do the stuff suggested below, to make people aware of what we're discussing above. Sound like a plan? Good. I'll try to code/design something and ... '''Update:''' I did code something, behold it on [[LGPedia:Participate]]. But now my favorite admistress (or one the other demi-gods) would have to go to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] and add <nowiki>{{LGPedia:Participate}}</nowiki>, as I lack the power to do that. Make sure to add it outside of a block of text though (first thing on the page at best) as everything else fucks it up. Took me three revisions to figure out the template was fine, and the the positioning was to blame. -_- And adjust the top-margin when it's added, I had to guess for now.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:35, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:: It's looking really good. I think [[:Category:Featured article nominees|featured articles]] and [[:Category:Proposed Merges|proposed merges]] should also be added... and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of ATM. I'm assuming it doesn't update automatically though? So people will have to really be on top of it. Oh, and also, I think the text under Participate should be bigger... for those of us who are blind *cough*. I'll see about adding it to recent changes, but I generally fail at that kind of stuff anyways, so it might be better to wait for another admin to come along and make it look nice...
::And um, yeah, I'm going to go delete PageHeader now :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:12, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:The fact that "Renegade" does not know "who the fuck" [[Linsy]] is, is pretty unimpressive criteria for deleting anything a fan has taken the trouble to add to LGPedia. I think the opinion as expressed here is incredibly arrogant and hostile to community (comments such as "grade school", "crap", "having balls" etc. do not inspire confidence). My personal opinion is that unless you are running into some hard technical issue such as exceeding storage space (which is usually absurd these days, but possible), there is very little justification to delete contributions made by occasional posters or those outside the core LGPedia group. That is the opposite of what you should be doing. Add structure? Absolutely. Move really random/disconnected items off to an orphanage for lost pages (or equivalent) sure. But don't delete, and leave a link (comprehensive note on a talk page or comment in history or *some* obvious path to finding the moved article without having to contact a staff member - I'm not sure what the best solution there is).

:There are growing and independent circles of fans, who are every bit as invested and involved in their segments of the Lonelygirl15 community as the few LGPedia mainstays, and the vitality of this effort depends on the confidence that time invested in posting here will not be discarded by someone with a different idea of what is important. That kind of editing would be disrespectful and foolish. My contributions here have been minor, and may not even fit in with your concepts (I don't know), but if I put something here and linked to it from off site, and came back later to check for updates, etc. and found my work silently deleted, I would be angry. That kind of move should be made with the utmost care and respect.

:So address the issues, but find a better solution than deleting even relatively trivial contributions from fans. You never know when they will come back to expand on or edit their work, possibly becoming more significant contributors later. You folks have a great thing going here - there is no need to alienate the occasional contributors. First contributions take the most effort sometimes, and should not be undervalued.

:Maybe a better editorial concept is to think of a core set of pages (a trunk and main branches) that are tightly controlled, surrounded by a cloud of satellite pages (twigs and leaves) that are a bit wild and unruly, with a few orphans that fall to the ground, but are still down there somewhere. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 08:15, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

::So wait, let me get this straight...you wait for eight days, to attack a sentence in a post that's almost three weeks old, over a fact that was clearly introduced with "chosen randomly, not a personal attack"?
::Riiiiiight. Were you bored, or just in an aggressive mood?
::Everybody else got fine that it was an example to illustrate the issues with noteworthyness we have here, and the fact that you can only fight it by dragging it down to a personal level and attacking my credibility just proves to me that I raised an undisputable point; you may not like it, but fact is: In all probability, said "Linsy" adds nothing to the Breeniverse.
::Yes, it is nice to have devoted fans, and yes, the fan interaction in and with this series is great - but that does not automatically mean that the official encyclopedia has to include every single video by every user that slightly, remotely connects to the topic. I have nothing against including notable fans on LGPedia. If a video series gained a big viewership, like the several Cassies or HSAO, or some of the OpAphid analyzation vids, fine, include them - they ''are'' important to the community around the series, and, as such, important to the series.

::But, no matter how arrogant you'd like to interpret this, ''reality'' is: The latest vid of that "Linsy" person has 71 views. It has a page with nothing but a sidebar, and it's a shaky video of her or her character's birthday "partay". Okay. Typical YouTube content. Fine to be online. But why the hell does it have to be on LGPedia? Is it of great importance to the canon? Nope, she's not canon. Is it of great importance to the fandom? Nope, it's had 70 views before I just clicked. Is it an exceptionally well-crafted page? Nope, it's one line with a sidebar.
::She may be a nice person, and her videos might even be funny - but, as of this moment, there is nothing exceptionally significant or notable about them that'd require us to list it here. And the positive effect of having ''everything'' listed gets outweighted by the negative effect of having ''almost everything'' look like crap.

::Even if you wish to list each and every tiny little fanvid, what's the use of listing them if their page says nothing? Let's say we let that page stay as it is. What is the great advantage gained by users through this? Is it that, of nineteen videos existing, only four are listed? Or that, of these four, one fourth doesn't have a transcript? Or that they can read a transcript at all?
::Who is, realistically, going to read a transcript of some girl's fanfic blog?

::You can call me arrogant all you want, whoever lives in reality sees I'm not trying to belittle that girl, but to be realistic. It is great she's active in the community, and it takes a great deal of courage to tape a video and put it out there for everyone to see. But the fact that she's a fan with a video alone doesn't make her or her video significant enough to be put up on the official site next to the information on official videos.
::We should focus on information important to the Breeniverse and the fandom. And some girl's birthday party, as nice as she may be, just has nothing to do with. The maximum effect that page will have on unintroduced users will be that they wonder how she is tied into the series, and get all confused.
::'''Added to reply to addition''':
::That may be a nice idea, but the problem is, would care for the twigs and orphans. We'd have hundreds of unmaintained pages laying around, building a "cloud of crap", so to speak, around the important entries. If someone maintained these pages, it'd be a different issue...but people won't. You can hope and dream all you want, a "lowly" fanfic-video-page just isn't gonna get the same editorial attention as an official video page.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:12, 24 June 2007 (CDT) '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''
::And for the record, thanks to the new sidebar on recent changes, silent deletions are almost impossible now - unless someone disregards all procedures.

::: This was the most idiotic dispute in the history of the Wiki. Just saying! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:09, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:23, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

== Browser neutrality or Official Browser ==

Ok there are some pages ( like the list of videos page ), that have significant differences when rendered in different browsers, and currently anyone can just edit to make the page look good in there own browser, and things don't look quite right in other browsers. I think we need a standard, either we enforce "Browser Neutrality", by not allowing any page design that doesn't look '''as good''' in all Browsers, or we declare one Browser the official Browser, and all pages are '''optimized''' to look best in that Browser, ''' but must still look reasonble in all browsers'''. Realistically there are only 3 Browsers, that we need to concern ourselves with Safari (Webkit), Firefox (Gecko) and Internet Explorer (Trident), since every other Browser uses the same rendering engine as one of them. all of them have pros and cons:

Safari (Webkit) -
*Pros: Renders fonts better than any other Browser, most compliant to WC3 web standards.
*Cons: Windows version is still Beta,
*Other Webkit Browsers: OmniWeb, Swift, Sunrise, Midori, Shiira, Konqueror

Internet Explorer (Trident)
*Pros: Largest market share,
*Cons- Ignores WC3 standards, renders poorly
*Other Trident Browsers: AOL Explorer,Avant, Maxthon

FireFox (Gecko)
*Pros: Good WC3 compliance, best cross-platform support.
*Cons: inconsistent line spacing, adding extra pixels to object heights.
*Other Gecko Browsers: Netscape,Seamonkey, Camino, Galleon, Epiphany, K-Meleon, Flock
. --[[User:Misty|misty]] 14:03, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

:::'''Vote Tally'''
''Browser Neutrality''
# Support Enforced Browser Neutrality
## [[User:Zoey|Zoey]]
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]
## [[User:Modelmotion|Modelmotion]]
## [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]
## [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]]
# Opposed of enforced Browser Neutrality
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]
## [[User:-R-|-R-]]
''Official Browser''
# Support Firefox as the Official Browser
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]
## [[User:-R-|-R-]]
# Support Safari as the Official Browser
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]
# Support IE as the Official Browser

''This is a non-issue''
# We currently test LGPedia pages in the main browsers of the day and check their specific rendering results in something that ranges somewhere between OK and excellent in all of them, accepting they will not be identical. For major pages/portals, the standard is higher and must be in the good to excellent range. I vote we continue this policy and not waste time making pages absolutely identical in all browsers or even declare that we care more about one browser than another. I can live with a bit of white space at the bottom of the List Of Videos in IE... it still looks very good overall but not identical to the better fit in Firefox. (Although, Firefox users can change their font settings to produce a variety of different display results that we just can't second guess.) In the past we have relied on the LGPedia community to spot if a major page falls under the good-to-excellent range in a particular browser and then reacted accordingly. I vote to carry on with this. If you agree, add your name to this list... [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 07:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
## [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]
## [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]] 14:22, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

 

:Didn't we reduce the render-difference to different line heights in List of Videos? At least that's the only significant difference I remember and see...
:Of course I'd love Firefox to become the official browser, but unless that happens, I'd prefer neutrality - 'cause I sure as hell won't develop on IE, and I'm not gonna install that buggy apple thing on my machine.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:14, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
:Personally, I vote for browser-neutrality. As web developers, you want your pages to look nice for everyone who views them, not force your viewers to use a certain browser or "tough luck guys". Plus, with something as widely viewed as the LGPedia, I think it's fair to say no matter what browser would be chosen as "official", there will be a LARGE number of viewers who do not use that. So yes, I vote for neutrality. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:52, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
::Ok well if we for browser neutrality the list of videos page need another redesign, sinse the montage to list alignment breaks browser neutrality. so no pages can be designed to need vertical alignment of independent objects. So it looks like so far everyone is agreeable to browser neutrality, I say that if there are no objections by midnight July 10, that we make that official policy, and add it to the style guide -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:33, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

:::I think different line height is close enough to not count as "differently looking".
:::After all, the only thing different is how far down the montage extends.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:32, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::: Yes it certainly counts , in fact that is the ''main issue'' for this whole discussion. We either declare Firefox safari or IE as the official Browser, and align it for that; or we declare Browser Neutrality and the page gets redesigned so vertical alignment doesn't matter. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:59, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::If you decide to redesign a perfectly fine layout just because the lines are a little more spaced in one browser, you're doing that alone, missy. :P
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:27, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::: That sounds like a vote againsts enforced browser neutrality. Ok so that things don't get confused I'm going to put a vote tally: Please ad or edit your vote appropriately. -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 11:42, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::I use all the main browsers with the excepetion of IE (but including Safari and Firefox). As long as pages are readable on a mac I am happy, but please dont make this a mac vs pc issue.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:50, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm mainly an IE user, but I've also use FireFox as well. I think the best way to go is browser neutrality, since it wouldn't be right to force a certain browser on others. As for that videolist montage, its unmatched with the latest vids from an IE view, but hey, I'm used to it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:43, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
::no one is talking about forcing people to use a particular browser, having an official browser means that pages '''that render differently''' in different browser must optimized for that browser. Currently the list of videos is the page that most renders differently, so saying "I support enforcing browser neutrality, but I don't care about the list of videos" is saying "I don't support enforced browser neutrality". So then we have to pick a browser to '''optimize the list of videos for ''', that's why we would need an official browser. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:56, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
Uh, O.K., I see this has kind of been going on for a while, but I want to jump in. I believe that FireFox should be the official LGPedia browser on account that it is cross platform. There are really no literal "system requirements" which is good, because I run Windows 2K and most newer browsers won't support the OS. I'm not sure if this really effects most of the people on the site, but sometimes it does to me. I don't care if it is the official browser, but if it is at least optimized for a cross-system browser, I'll be happy. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 15:50, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

Well I was hoping that we would have a clearer consensus. from the comments, I'm not 100% convinced that people who voted for enforced browser neutrality really understood what they were voting for. I think we need to give it a few more days, before setting policy. So how about July 15 Midnight CDT -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:01, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

:Finally something ending in central time :D but honestly, I am all for the official browser being FireFox. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 02:14, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

:More importantly, they probably don't know that these three rendering engines ''render pages differently'', and that it's ''impossible'' to "enforce" browser neutrality. If you consider different line-height reason enough for a re-design already, LGPedia will never ever be able to use anything with width and borders again - simply because of IE's box model.
:Again, I reiterate: We should try to get it as close as possible, but trying to enforce the pages look 100% the same is just stupid, because it's impossible - unless you're doing nothing more than colored text.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:55, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
:::the problem isn't that there are differences, between browsers, the problem is that some designs rely on specific alignments to look correct, and if the browsers render them differently, then it doesn't look correct in all browsers. On the other hand if one browsers spaced things at 11 pixels, and another browser spaced things at 13 pixels, if everything still lined up correctly in both browsers, the page wold be considered browse neutral, even though it doesn't render identically in both browsers. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:13, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
Well It looks like Browser Neutrality won out. I managed to make a Browser Neutral version of the LIst of Videos, and maybe tomorrow I'll add Browser Neutrality into the style guide. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

:Congratulations, Misty...you just destroyed half the usability and a good deal of the design of that page just because you didn't like the line height. Way to go. *thumbs up*
:Having it look like crap on all browsers is so much better than having it look differently good on each of them.
:Just look at the fucking mess that is the TOC now - isn't that so much better than having a real list, people?? *rolleyes*

:This is fucking ridiculous. Without the numbering, the page is only a slight bit better than a pure category listing. The lack of numbers also puts all episodes on the same status, meaning early NBR and OpAphid episodes look like they're just as official as a normal Bree-blog. But hey, the line height is equal everywhere! What's factual accuracy if it looks the same on all browsers? *rolleyes*

:I also highly object to the way this was inserted. The Portal/Main Page switch had to be done by today, as per Creator request. We had no time to consider your sudden uprise after you decided to ignore that project for two weeks, only to start bitching on the last day. That was not the case for a LoV redesign. It would have been perfectly possible to leave this piece of crap in your sandbox for a few days and listen to opinions before you make this horrible abomination our official video list.
:Now we're gonna get a flood of bebo-users today who'll think we're too stupid to use a list over a billion s.

:Now tell me, Misty...what is the great advantage we have from equal line heights in FF and IE?
:What enormous change does the "browser neutrality" of your version bring us that it justifies destroying the main focus and the factual accuracy of the page and turning it into a design- and code nightmare?
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:22, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
: What are you talking about????? First of all the it was decided that the OPaphid and NBR videos are as official as the BDJ videos. And if the numbering is so important to you, add the numbers back in. The design of the page hasn't changed very much just the alignment. Maybe you and I, are seeing something different, but besides the line numbers, it doesn't look that different, other than that things line up correctly. Here's a screenshot that directly compares my version to the previous one. How is it any more crap than the old version??? [http://lorem.us/kira/lov.jpg screenshot] -[[User:Misty|misty]] 05:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::"Add Poe Hinder Vilification" is ''not'' the nineteenth episode of the Lonelygirl15 video series, "An update of sorts" is not the 43th episode, and NBR1 is not the 80th episode - yet that is exactly what your list states. Yes, later episodes have been accepted into canon, but that doesn't change the fact that Miss Me? is the only Op video officially listed as an episode, and it doesn't change the fact that even Miss Me? was more of an "evil Danielbeast" blog than an actual OpAphid video. Even the video list on the main page, which most definitely is authoritive, lists OpAphid videos as ####'''b''', not as ####+1. It doesn't matter if you are incapable of seeing how much more crude and less well designed your page looks through your omissions, or if you understand what a horrible faux pas your abuse of s is - the important fact is that your list is just '''''factually wrong''''' and cannot stay that way.
::And I refuse to fuck up the code even more by manually numbering through and handling 250 forced line breaks when a simple ordered list works fine and the only problem was that one browser has 0.1em more space per line.

::There is no justification for this violation. The fact that a page is slightly longer in one browser, without even changing the layout or altering information, cannot possibly be a valid reason to destroy the code, the appearance, and the factual accuracy of a page.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 06:36, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::: The LGPedia is browser neutral people. Deal with it, or leave. Seriously. It's not even negotiable. We're here for LG, not to promote Mozilla. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:19, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::::It's not about promoting Mozilla. It's about commensurability. If you check the discussion logs for the re-design, you'll see that we went through great lengths to ensure that the layout looks equal in both browsers. Have you actually checked the "unneutral" version in both browsers? The only difference is that one is slightly longer, because the line height is minimally higher. That's ''it''. Nothing more. It's not even noticable if you don't know it's there. And for that tiny, little, insignificant difference, Misty wants to remove the numbering, making the list itself incorrect, remove the list code as a whole, making the code semantically incorrect, and she wants to optically destroy the TOC layout. All because of a little more whitespace.

::::This is not about "promoting Mozilla" - if that was my goal, I'd have refused to even look at it in IE ''months'' ago. The very fact that it is that similar proves that I'll go through great lengths to ensure it looks as similar as possible in both browsers, just as the recent re-designs of the main page/portals prove (it's no coincidence there are several revisions referencing "IE fixes" in the history). This is not about promoting Mozilla. This is about stopping an insane crusade with no basis. There is simply no reason to destroy a perfectly fine page on multiple levels, just because Misty doesn't like whitespace.

::::Oh, and for the record: I find it rather cheap of you to discard all factual arguments I made and drag this down to a supposed browser evangelism issue. I don't know if Misty bugged you or if you hold some personal grudge against me, but I made quite clear in my first comment on this issue that I'd of course like FF to be the official browser, but that I do support a ''sane'' neutrality dogma instead.

::::But killing pages over slight whitespace differences is not sane.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::I'm all in favour of passive browser neutrality, but not "enforced browser neutrality" if by "enforced" you mean every page must look identical in every browser down to the last pixel. This may put off the average wiki editor from making changes lest they break the policy and get pounced on by the "enforcers". That is why I voted for the status quo.
:::::As an aside, this discussion is going the way of others on Lucy's Balcony in recent times. A bit too much sound & fury which I'll just put down to everyone's passion for LG. Let's tone things down a bit lest Lucy hears us and finds us all squabbling on her balcony. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 14:02, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::No by enforced I don't mean identical down to the pixel, all browsers render differently, I mean that making the page lay out in one browser doesn't throw it off for another. In the case of the list of videos, if the page length in 2 browsers were 300 pixels apart, but the items on the page still lined up that page would be browser neutral. But the reason the list of videos isn't browser is because, if the list is aligned to the montage in 1 browser, there is an almost a 300 pixel offset in another. The 'status' quo you are talking about, means that people can change it back and forth to align for their own browser. I have no problem with choosing 1 browser as the standard for alignment, but the greatest consensus was for making it neutral, so I devoted my whole weekend to figuring out what would work. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:04, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::::'''Vote to dismiss as non-issue, problem not reproducable under IE 6.'''
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:54, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::::::: Okay, I agree. Non-issue. Let's move on. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:19, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

== A good-bye of sorts ==

There have recently been some changes in my real life. I was unsure what the adjustment would be as far as my time online is concerned. It has now become obvious to me that I will no longer be able to remain active here at the LGPedia. I still intend to read it, follow it and even occasionally edit and discuss, but I don't have the time to faithfully execute the job of administrator. I'm still immensely proud of having been involved with this wiki for the last 9 months and 3600+ edits, I am immensely proud of the quality of the Wiki and its over 1,000 articles. But it's time for me to step aside. Effective immediately, Zoey will now serve as bureaucrat -- she and [[Miles Beckett|Miles]] will be the only people with the ability to create and remove administrators. As [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] and I have been inactive for months, I'll remove our rights. What happens after that is up to you. I wish everyone the best going forward. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:21, 11 July 2007 (CDT)
:Bye Jay!!! :( Definately hope to continue seeing you around, even if it's not on the LGPedia. Thanks for all your hard work for so long! I shall try to do you proud! *cheesy grin* --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:33, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

Bye man. it was good working with you.--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 14:40, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

== LG15/KM ==

This morning I got on the LGPedia for the first time in a while, and found all these changes on the main page and subsequent new main changes. And now, when I browse through articles, I find all this Kate Modern crap mixed in with the Lonelygirl15 information.

I get it. Kate Modern -- woohoo, a new project for the Creators, and hopefully it gives them some added income. But do we really have to mix them? I come to the LGPedia to read about... go figure... LG. So why must I see all this stuff about Kate Modern? From what I understand, they're completely two separate projects.

Can't Kate Modern have their own wiki? I came here for Lonelygirl15, not Kate Modern. The two don't have anything to do with each other, aside from the same creators, so why would we combine them? --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

:Read [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive#Addition_of_KateModern_to_LGPedia|this page]] for the information regarding inclusion of KateModern in the LGPedia as per the request of [[Miles Beckett]]. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

::I'd argue this further, but since Miles said it should be done, it seems pointless. Thanks. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:39, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

==No uploading??==

The "Upload File" function doesn't seem to be working since the site renovation (for me, anyway, and judging by the fact that [[Mission Possible]] still doesn't have a pic, probably for everyone else). Is someone actively working to fix this? (Please???) ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 17:33, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

:Hmm, I don't know, but it's not working for me either. Someone should probably send an email to the right person if no one already has. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure if I should just send it straight to [[the Creators]] or to someone else. If it's not fixed in the next few hours and no one has responded here, I'll go ahead and send them an email.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:18, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

::Zoey mentioned she had e-mailed BK an hour ago.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:20, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

We can upload files now (and quite amusingly, [[User:EmoGlasses|EmoGlasses]] and I uploaded nearly identical pictures, respectively called NinjaSpencer and SpencerNinja). However, the picture doesn't appear on the episode template, and in its place is a distracting error message. I've left it up there for now, but I'm sure that someone will revert that... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 23:03, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

: *Hair pull out* Darn error messages! Okay, I'm working on it.. contacting people. Hopefully we get this all sorted out soon! :( --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:32, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

::Make sure to tell them the problem is most likely a faulty installation of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD_Graphics_Library libgd], specific error messages being "<code>Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg</code>" and "<code>Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromgif</code>".

::Googling the error messages should give them enough results to find the error.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:18, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
::P.S.: Did I mention it takes extra-effort to fuck up server libraries while moving around ''content''?

::: The new lonelygirl15 site is blah, IMO. I don't even see why they had to tinker with the LGPedia. Our old design matched, but now the portals, particularly the LG portal, really clash with this new gray/modernist design. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:20, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

==Award Ceremony==
We should have an annual award ceremony for all lgpedians. If you go onto Zoey talk page you will find my message to her about ideas of awards. If not a whole entire ceremony that the adminastrators can run then it can be just random awards that anyone can give out to who they see fit. [[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:22, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

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