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Talk:We Reach Out

2007-08-11T05:20:57Z

OwenIsCool: Contra el mal? el anormal?

== "Fight The Order�" ==

Look, I'm not gonna start a revert war with an unregistered user over this... but when you put the binary in the description through a binary translation program, it says, "Fight The Order�" -- question mark included. [http://nickciske.com/tools/binary.php Try it] for yourself. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 13:12, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
:All right, when put through a [http://www.paulschou.com/tools/xlate/ different translator], it comes up w/o the "?". Can anyone who actually knows something about binary help here? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 13:16, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
:<code>Fight The Order</code> = 15 characters
:<code>01000110 01101001 01100111 01101000 01110100 00100000 01010100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01001111 01110010 01100100 01100101 01110010</code> = 15 bytes.
:'nuff said.
:Most likely, your copy-pasting included a bogus line feed/carriage return or something.
:'''Edit:''' Since some people apparently [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=We_Reach_Out&diff=65569&oldid=65559 weren't introduced to the fine art of counting] yet, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_Specials#Replacement_character here's a link explaining the diamond question mark in detail]. Now quit adding this, or I'll get rude.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:28, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
:::It is "Fight The Order" I learned binary from a book at this lame camp my dad sent me to about programming. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|5:46 PM}}

== Translation ==

I did a free translation, which always comes out wrong, but it looks like the translation on the article (and the Spanish for that matter) is incorrect. Heres what I got:
"We know that ¿the Order? was stealing the life of girl for better of them

For centuries (..) to continuacion... innocent they die, for the cumpable can live Now finishes (..) The resistance The time I arrive to fight against evil we Know and we finish it Unit in life, unit in death" {{User:-R-/SignatureD|5:49 PM}}

== I want....... ==

I
want
to
start
a
group
that
will
be
like
The
Resistance.
Can
someone
tell
me
how
to
make
one?
Viva
la
rezisto!

== Bree's death footage ==

The footage of medical facility on this video does not appear to be the same as that of TAAG. Could this mean other members of the resistance were there?

== Contra el mal? el anormal? ==

I can't hear the Spanish voiceover very well, and I can't make up my mind whether he is saying "contra el mal" (against evil), "contra el anormal" (against the abnormal), or something entirely different. There is definitely an extra syllable there in front of "mal", but I don't think he's saying abnormal.
Anyway, I'm posting because I made a change to the transcript. It said "anormal" in the Spanish version and "evil" in the English version. I'm not sure which is correct, but to keep it consistent, I changed "anormal" to "mal". For the record, mal = evil, and anormal = abnormal. We shouldn't have the English and Spanish versions saying different things!
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:20, 11 August 2007 (CDT)

We Reach Out

2007-08-11T05:16:28Z

OwenIsCool: fixing Spanish voiceover. anormal = abnormal, not evil

{{Blog
| name = We Reach Out
| number = 0263
| image = 0263-ShadowOverR!Logo.jpg
| caption = Fight the Order?
| blogger = LaRezisto
| date = August 10th, 2007
| url = {{lg15|328}}
| forumid = 13145
| length = 1:30
| description = 01000110 01101001 01100111 01101000 01110100 00100000 01010100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01001111 01110010 01100100 01100101 01110010
| faction = The Resistance
| status = Public Video
| location =
| tags = lonelygirl15 bree daniel la rezisto fight the order danielbeast jonastko


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'''{{PAGENAME}}''' is the two-hundred sixtieth video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]]. It is also the fourth video of season two.

==Transcript==
(''A seagull is seen flying through the air as it's call is heard, followed by giggling.'')

'''Voiceover:''' Hello again. Once more we, The Hymn of One, reach out to you today to reinforce our promise. We promise we will bring you a world of unity and peace that will blossom into an everlasting happiness for your soul. Far from the pain, the disappointments, the suffering and darkness that the world made you believe you had to live through...

(''Я! flashes on the screen. Static is heard as what sounds like a news report follows'')

'''Reporter:''' On August 3rd, thousands watched helplessly as innocent girls died. No one could do enough to save her.

(''Spanish voiceover'')

'''Reporter:''' For centuries this cycle continued. The innocent died for the guilty. We are the Resistance. (''Fight the order join the resistance flashes'') The time has come to fight against evil. We know and we will end it. Equality in life, equality in death.

==Spanish==
The Spanish text spoken is
<blockquote>Nosotros sabemos que el Orden estaba robando la vida de la chica para mejor de ellos. 
Por siglos el “ciclo” a continuación: Los inocentes mueren para el culpable puede vivir. 
Ahora termina. Nosotros somos: La Resistencia. 
El tiempo llegó para pelear para atrás contra el mal. 
Sabemos y lo terminamos. 
Unidad en vida y unidad en muerte. </blockquote>
Which, translated to English, means:
<blockquote>We know that The Order was stealing the life of a girl for their own good(their own benefit). 
For centuries the cicle continued: Innocents die, so the guilty can live. 
Now it ends. We are The Resistance. 
The time has come to fight against evil. 
We know it and we will end it. 
Unity in life, unity in death.</blockquote>

==Notes==
*The binary in the video's description, when translated, reads "Fight The Order"
*The video suggests that there are people in [[The Resistance]] other than [[TAAG]].
*The backwards R appears to be the "logo" of the other resistance.
*This video gives us more footage of Bree's actual death.
*Among the video bits shown is bootlog.txt output from an MS Windows boot. (Which basically means, as cool as it may look, it's very trivial stuff happening on every windows-computer.)

User:OwenIsCool

2007-07-19T05:59:19Z

OwenIsCool: *sniffle*

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|align="center"|This user has '''taken a hike'''. '' OIC is no longer to contribute to the LGPedia on a regular basis. Moving to a new city and starting a new job is time-consuming, so being LGPedia admin is no longer in the cards. Perhaps if and when things settle down, OIC will drop in and make a gazillion lightning edits. LGPedia has been an immense amount of fun, mostly thanks to the interactions with other great LG15 fans and OIC is proud of the long, long way this wiki has come since she started editing. Great job everybody, and see you around Lucy's Balcony or the Cove.
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=Moi=
{{FanPerson
| name = OwenIsCool
| image = Owen hiding in his shell.jpg
| age = I'm not sure, but I think my price tag is still on.
| birthday =
| youtube =
| myspace =
| actor = Owen
| first = still in my shell
| last = "so dark in here..."
| color = #7b6
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Well, a little about me (but not too much, that would be BO-ring).

I started following the LG15 thing sometime mid-October when everyone already knew it was fake. I think this new medium for telling a story is very very cool. To tell you the truth, I'm not really happy with where the story is going anymore (for a number of reasons), but I keep coming back. Why? Because somewhere along the way I got hooked on the LGpedia. I'm a fan of wiki models but I was a little intimidated by Wikipedia and didn't get around to learning to post on it. LGpedia seemed like a friendlier place, with more newbies and more work to be done. So now even though I don't get a kick from the series, I still really like editing the wiki.
 

If you would like to help me plot the downfall of my purple nemesis, please leave a comment on my talk page.

{|
|{{User 2000edits}}
|{{Userbox Owensad}}
|{{Userbox Sysop}}
|-
|{{Userbox Watcher}}
|{{Userbox WANKER}}
|{{Userbox Lonelybeast}}
|-
|{{Userbox Lonelycrack}}
|{{Userbox FanVid0}}
|{{Userbox Overload}}
|-
|{{Userbox Userboxes}}
|{{Userbox Holes}}
|{{Userbox Categories}}
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|{{Userbox Dad}}
|{{Userbox Growup}}
|{{Userbox NBR}}
|-
|{{Userbox Cthulhu}}
|{{Userbox Mr. Seal}}
|{{Userbox 14Hours}}
|-
|{{Userbox Cuteshirt}}
|{{Userbox Aerobics}}
|{{Userbox Science}}
|-
|{{Userbox LGBot}}
|{{Userbox Throwup}}
|{{Userbox Style}}
|-
|{{Userbox Firefox}}
|{{Hardwork}}
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=Stuff I want to do=
This little section is like a to-do list for me. I'll just be writing down things that I'd like to see on the wiki. If any of these sound like something you'd like to work on, do feel free to pitch in!

==Articles that need some TLC==
As of late I've noticed some important articles need to be updated to reflect what's been happening in the series. An example of such an article is [[Daniel]], which hasn't been majorly updated since before the (fake) ceremony it seems. In this section I'll keep a list of articles that I think need work. Sometimes I come across them while I'm busy working on something else, and then I forget that I meant to get back to them. That shouldn't happen anymore! 
If you see an article you'd like to work on that's on this list, by all means, jump right in! Part of the reason I put them on here is so other people will think to improve on them, not just me. =)
*[[Daniel]]
*[[The Order]] -- it's greatly improved now but still needs work
*[[Bree's parents]]
*[[Tachyon]]
*[[Cassieiswatching]]
*[[LG15 Spin-offs]]
*A page or userbox on the responsible use of the darned '''Preview''' button. I love seeing new people get interested in the wiki, but it's a drag having to remind them of the good reasons to avoid numerous little edits. We need a standard thingie we can use over and over with little work. I plagiarized Wikipedia's article into [[Help:Show preview]], but I don't think that'll do much by itself.

==[[LG15 Music]]==
*I created a page called [[LG15 Soundtrack]] listing all the music appearing thus far in the LG15 videos. It includes links to the artists' pages and links to listen (and sometimes download for free!) the pieces themselves.
*The information it currently contains is up-to-date and accurate... only to the best of my knowledge. So please check out the page and add anything that's missing, or correct me if I slipped up!
*It needs to be updated. If this is something that interests you, update the soundtrack when a new video comes on. Even if you haven't worked with tables before, I think you'll find it's pretty intuitive. Just click the edit tab and it'll all make sense. If it doesn't, just ask =)

==Footnotes==
*Eliminate all instances of [http://en.wikipedia.org According to Wikipedia], "According to _________", etc. and replace with real references.
**By "real references" I mean little numbers (like so [1]) next to the claim you are making and a References section on the bottom of the article. It would just be less distracting, and it would make it easier for people to look up a reference too, rather than reading through the whole article again.
**I already did some research into this. Apparently our wiki has something called Cite.php which is simple code that you can use to make references like the ones I described. It automatically makes them into a list at the bottom of the article.
**To learn the basics of footnotes, see [[Help:Footnotes]].
**If you're ready for the advanced class, see [[LGPedia:Footnotes]].
**Cite.php was recently installed on the LGpedia. I plan to make full use of it. If you see any pages reeking with "According to _______", let me know and we shall fix it together.
**Where to download [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite.php Cite.php]. Site has good info on how to use the code too, that's why I included it. You don't need to download it.

=Testing, 1 2 3...=
A place to try stuff out...

{| align=center style="width:1000px" border=2
|-
|colspan=5 align=center style="background:#99CCFF; color:black"|'''''Soundtrack'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|'''Vlog'''
| style=background:white|'''Song'''
| style=background:white|'''Artist'''
| style=background:white|'''Album'''
| style=background:white|'''Download'''
|-
|style=background:white| [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]]
|style=background:white| Crazy
|style=background:white| Gnarls Barkley
|style=background:white| not sure
|style=background:white| Copyrighted
|-
|style="background:white| Purple Monkey
|style="background:white| Son Soo (Treatment)
|style="background:white| Victor
|style="background:white| not sure
|style="background:white| here
|-
|}

This table will be replaced with Treefunk's design (see my discussion page).

And this is for the main page redesign stuff...
{| align=center style="width:300px" border=2
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#99CCFF; color:black"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Vid22.jpg|150px]]
| style=background:white|[[Image:Daniel.jpg|150px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:white"| '''[[Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Daniel]]'''
|-
|style="background:white|[[Image:Gemma_background.jpg|150px]]
|style="background:white|[[Image:MNIJonas.gif|150px]]
|-
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Gemma]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Jonas]]'''
|-
|}

==New music table==
Here goes... table 3.0. Please comment!

{| align=center style="width:800px" border=2
|-
|colspan=3 align=center style="background:#99CCFF"|'''''Soundtrack'''''
|-
! Vlog
! Song
! Artist
|-
|[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]]
|Crazy
|[http://www.gnarlsbarkley.com/ Gnarls Barkley]
|-
|[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]]
|[http://ccmixter.org/people/victor/victor_-_Son_Soo_(Treatment).mp3 Son Soo (Treatment)]
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/people/victor Victor]
|-
|[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]]
|Working for the Man
|[http://www.orbison.com Roy Orbison]
|-
|[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]]
|Grillz
|[http://www.myspace.com/nelly Nelly]
|-
|[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]]
|Zipper and Jeans
|[http://www.myspace.com/harlantbobo Harlan T Bobo]
|-
|[[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]]
|[http://ccmixter.org/people/beatgorilla/beatgorilla_-_Brilliant_Daze_(days_are_confused_mix).mp3 Brilliant Daze (Days Are Confused mix)]
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/people/beatgorilla Beat Gorilla]
|-
|[[He Said, She Said]]
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/files/Pitx/6465 Good Morning]
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/files/Pitx Pitx]
|-
|[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]]
|Promiscuous
|[http://www.myspace.com/nellyfurtado Nelly Furtado]
|-
|[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]]
|The Truth
|[http://www.myspace.com/mauf MAUF]
|-
|[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]] (YouTube version)
|[http://mp3download.myspace.com/music.ashx?bandid=10810354&songid=1128045&name=10810354_15e1c374 Office Suite Part I]
|[http://myspace.com/thematthewshow The Matthew Show]
|-
|[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]] (Revver version)
|The Bandit
|[http://www.myspace.com/starlightmints Starlight Mints]
|-
|[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] (YouTube version)
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/files/mcjackinthebox/6098 Remained]
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/people/mcjackinthebox MC Jack in the Box]
|-
|[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] (Revver version)
|Leave Me Alone
|SPY
|-
|[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]]
|[http://ccmixter.org/people/beatgorilla/beatgorilla_-_Razor_Sharp_(Hyper_Hood_Mix).mp3 Razor Sharp (Hyper Hood Mix)]
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/people/beatgorilla Beat Gorilla]
|-
|[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]]
|[http://mp3download.myspace.com/music.ashx?bandid=2272441&songid=1797089&name=2272441_c256d4bf All OK]
|[http://www.myspace.com/somethingforrockets Something For Rockets]
|-
|[[Swimming!]]
|[http://mp3download.myspace.com/music.ashx?bandid=2336500&songid=19269054&name=2336500_dfa027d0 Junkie]
|[http://www.myspace.com/thejanedoes The Jane Doe's]
|-
|[[Bree The Cookie Monster]]
|[http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1379325916 Nothin' Pretty] (link to music video)
|[http://www.myspace.com/newprofessionals New Professionals]
|-
|[[I'm Going to the Party!]]
|Mercurial Girl
|[http://www.myspace.com/5starfall Five Star Fall]
|-
|[[House Arrest]]
|Window
|[http://www.myspace.com/jacquelinenassar Jacqueline Nassar]
|-
|[[In The Park]]
|All I Want
|[http://www.myspace.com/judechristodal Jude]
|-
|[[What's A Date?]]
|Be Like The Sun
|[http://www.myspace.com/lemondemon Lemon Demon]
|-
|[[My First Kiss]]
|Hooray for Love
|David Baerwald
|}

This is the music table design we stuck with and it now lives on the [[LG15 Soundtrack]] page.

Talk:Mixed Media

2007-06-30T23:59:33Z

OwenIsCool: forgot to sign

Please make a page for mixed media. You guys do way better than I do with this. Work your magic! --[[User:juniemoon|juniemoon]]

:What exactly do you mean by "Mixed Media"? And don't feel like you can't start an article yourself. This isn't Wikipedia; it won't be speedy deleted in a matter of minutes. And it doesn't matter if the quality is that good. You or someone else can always improve it later.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 23:36, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

::Mixed Media is the internet radio show recently started by two of the creators. I haven't tuned in myself, but many forum users have. Juniemoon, if you could just jot down whatever you know about the show (on the article page, or here on the Talk page if you prefer), we can polish it up and make it nice. If you don't know anything about the show, do you know anybody that listens to it or has called in? Maybe they'd like to write something about it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:09, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

:OK I started an article. Revver is down so I couldn't get the URL for Perky's birthday vid. I'm not transcribing the broadcasts unless I get pad LOL. Only because that's what I do for a living(among other things).

:Who knows how many broadcasts/podcasts there have been?
:Who knows when Mixed Media started?
:Who knows who the guests were on the previous episodes?
:How long are the previous shows available?

:Should the article mention that the guys get paid for the show (unlike LG15)? Must be a nice change for them. There are sites that charge the hosts for being on their channel. [[User:Sappho|Sappho]] 05:42, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

::This is a great start! Thanks for pitching in, Sappho! I think there's been three scheduled shows, but one of them was canceled (the second one). I'm not sure about the other information, but I can probably get it from the forums since the creators promote their show on there. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 09:18, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

:::[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=248848&highlight=#248848 Announcement for March 6 show]
:::[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=252985&highlight=#252985 Post mentioning March 13 show] which was later canceled.
:::[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=273792&highlight=#273792 Announcement for March 20 show]
:::[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=285213&highlight=#285213 Announcement for March 27 show]
:::I couldn't find any posts from the day the second show was supposed to be held. It was canceled because the was the day the forum basically imploded. Many posts from that day were deleted. They even deleted their announcements of that installment, which even included the names of the guests. Sorry, nothing I can do about that one. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 09:42, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
::I added the info. about the first shows and Perky's vid. Maybe some nice person could format the article, because it is going to get very stringy as more broadcasts are added. Thanks for your helped OwenIsCool.[[User:Sappho|Sappho]] 23:45, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

I removed the feature nomination since it looks like the show has been on hiatus, and it doesn't seem like there'd be much interest in featuring it. 
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:59, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Mixed Media

2007-06-30T23:59:12Z

OwenIsCool: removed feature nom

LGPedia talk:Participate

2007-06-20T03:05:20Z

OwenIsCool: something about nada

==Nada==
"Nada" means "nothing". "De nada" means "you're welcome" (like saying "it was nothing"). So when I saw "Pending Deletions: You're Welcome", I was like lol, gotta fix this. Just in case anybody wondered.
 Anyway, does anybody think this template should be protected? It's included on Recentchanges, thus opening up the opportunity to actually spam or vandalize that page. Maybe just preventing anon IPs would be sufficient.
 A big hi to everyone! Sorry I can't be around more lately!
 [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:05, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

LGPedia:Participate

2007-06-20T02:59:55Z

OwenIsCool: fixing your funny =P

<div style="width:200px; float:right; clear: both; margin: 10em 0 1em 1em; border: 1px solid #cedff2; background-color: #F5F8FF; padding:10px 10px 10px 10px;">
<div style="margin: 0px auto 0.3em auto; background-color: #E5F0FF; font-size: 120%; font-weight: bold; border: 1px solid #cedff2; text-align: center; color: #000000; padding: 0.2em 0.4em;">Participate!</div>
This box links to current LGPedia-related issues, such as organizational discussions, articles marked for deletion and votes.
You can participate by visiting the linked pages or their respective talk pages and posting your opinion on the matter.
<div style="color: #444444; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 1em; margin-left: 0.6em;">Discussions:</div>

*[[LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony#General_deletion.2Finclusion_guidelines|New Deletion/Inclusion Guidelines]]
*[[Template talk:CharIndex|Character Box Update]]


<div style="color: #444444; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 1em; margin-left: 0.6em;">Votes:</div>

*Help! Trapped in a template factory!


<div style="color: #444444; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 1em; margin-left: 0.6em;">Pending Deletions:</div>

*Nada.


<div style="color: #444444; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 1em; margin-left: 0.6em;">Proposed Merges:</div>

*[[Cassieiswatching (Clue 16)]]


<div style="color: #444444; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 1em; margin-left: 0.6em;">Featured Article Nominees:</div>

*[[LG15 Spin-offs]]
*[[Tachyon]]
*[[The Homeschoolers Aggregate]]



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Template talk:Init

2007-06-01T03:56:12Z

OwenIsCool: idea for Sarah

==Examples==
<nowiki>{{Init|Bree}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Bree}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Daniel}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Daniel}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Jonas}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Jonas}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Gemma}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Gemma}}

<nowiki>{{Init|OpAphid}} =</nowiki> {{Init|OpAphid}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Tachyon}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Tachyon}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Brother}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Brother}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Nikki Bower}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Nikki Bower}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Paulmark18}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Paulmark18}}

<nowiki>{{Init|the Order}} =</nowiki> {{Init|the Order}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Taylor}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Taylor}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Jules}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Jules}}

<nowiki>{{Init|Cassieiswatching}} =</nowiki> {{Init|Cassieiswatching}}

<nowiki>{{Init|anything else}} =</nowiki> {{Init|anything else}}

== The Order ==

I tried putting {{Init{{!}}The Order}} on the Main Page entry for Subjects Apprehended, but it wasn't working correctly. I'm not sure what could be wrong. Would you mind checking that out, Jay? 
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:00, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

:OH, ugh... it's case sensitive. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 08:27, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

::wow, that was simple. I should have looked to see how it was typed in on the working example. Thanks for fixing it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 08:55, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

== Apologies ==

Thanks for getting that right, Jay. I guess I should know what I'm doing before I change a template on the Main Page. Luckily, I noticed it within about a minute and no real harm done. I actually think I had it pretty much right--just forget the <nowiki>"}}"</nowiki> for the if.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 08:49, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

:No worries at all. This template was really poorly designed because when I made it I didn't know about the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions#.23switch: #switch] function. I've rewritten the template to use #switch and it's now ''very'' easy to add new people to the template. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:57, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

== OTS ==

Misty, I assume you got "OTS" from the [[:Image:0173-Whiteboard.jpg|whiteboard]] in [[About The Gun]], but do we even know what it means yet? Why do you think it should be used here instead of "ORD"?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:56, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:Actually I thought for a long time that it should be OTS, because thats how the videos identify themselves "Transmission OTS - 0135 - 09 ", so I figured that OTS was trhe identifier for the subdivision of the order who transmitted the videos, when it showed up on the whiteboard that confirmed to me that I was right. And from later videos we could see that these videos were not made by someone representing the mainstream of the order, or else they wouldn't have been killed by the watchers for violating Bree's free will. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:24, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

::Okay, thanks for explaining. I hadn't noticed the "Transmission OTS" thing in the descriptions.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:28, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

:::OTS can stand for many many things, and we have not been told what OTS means in this context. One of the suggestions on the comment boards is that it means "On The Scene" since that is some kind of military slang. It could also stand for Ordo Templis Satanis (if you can believe the internet, anyway). Here's a list of other meanings OTS could have ([http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/on+the+scene link])--I'm not saying they all apply, but just to give you an idea. The creators stated at the forum that the videos were posted by the order and made no further statements as to what they might be calling themselves. I think OTS at this point is vague enough that we shouldn't be jumping to the conclusion that this is what the Order calls itself. Transmission On The Scene, actually sounds very viable to me. Having said that, I'm going to change it back to Order, with the request that this not be changed again until we know with certainty that is should be something else. Although ORD not as accurate as I would like (I'd like to know what branch we're talking about, for instance), it's at least not ''inaccurate''. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:15, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

== Taylor ==

Well, I guess we need to add Taylor to our init template. Should she be '''Tay''' or maybe '''Soc★'''? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:40, 16 May 2007 (CDT)
My vote is for "Soc★", since it's the best abrev. for soccerstar. For some reason Zoey keeps removing the ★ without any explanation. Soc★ is what JayHenry Proposed and no one voiced an objection, so I think that we should keep it that way until there is some evidence to show a concensus for removing the ★. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:47, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

: I enjoy having the star. Although the only reason I made the decision so quickly was because the main page templates don't work correctly without ''something'' in the init template, so I'm definitely open to discussion. I wonder if there's a browser problem. On an older browser the star might not display or display as something completely different? I thought it was a symbol that anyone could display. Zoey, are you seeing a five-point star after the letters "Soc" or something different? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:20, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

::Heh, I didn't even know that it was a symbol. No, it's just displaying as a box to me. � Like that. Although.. now I'm not sure how that box will display on YOUR screens. But yes, it just looks like a box to me. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:29, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

::: That's what i was afraid of... darn, the star is so cool! Let me see if there are other star symbols we can try. (btw, your box displayed as a question mark for me). --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:35, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

:::: From {{Wikipedia|Star_%28glyph%29|Stars}}: Here are a handful of star symbols -- <big>* ٭ ★✶✴ ⋆ ★ ☆ </big>. Do any of them work in an older browser? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:39, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::The first two display for me, the others are boxes. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:41, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::: '''Soc<big>٭</big>''' or '''Soc<big>*</big>'''? Hmm... I'm just not sure if everyone is going to get that it's a star with those symbols. Any other ideas?? It ''might'' be possible to upload a really small star image. I remember experimenting with a similar idea once and it cause problems, but I know a lot more about wikitext now. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:49, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

Hrm, well we do have this [[Image:Star.gif]]. Which is an image... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:51, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

:We could reupload a green one? Or do we think that either of the asterisks is good enough? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:12, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

::I say reupload a green one where the bottom isn't cut off, and that way every browser sees it, and it's not a tiny asterisk. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 15:20, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

::: I temporarily changed it to one of the asterisks. Once we get a working green star image, let's switch to that. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:46, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

::::Um... I see the star now, FYI. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 00:38, 18 May 2007 (CDT)

:: I uploaded a star image and changed the template to use it everyone should see it now -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:31, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

If your Browser supports UTF-8 encoding (which includes every Mac browser, every Gecko Browser for any platform and from what Chelseyrl said IE), then you can see all the stars. if you can't see it in any of those Browsers then you have disabled encoding detection, and set the encoding to something other than UTF-8. If you want to accomodate everyone who did that you need to use the standard asterisk (shift-8). -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:07, 18 May 2007 (CDT)
: OK I found out why some people are getting boxes and others are getting stars. Apparently windows doesn't have a complete unicode font that comes with it, but MS Office does. So if you have Office installed you will have Arial MS Unicode, which has all the stars. If you don't have office you need to download a unicode font. One that I know of is [http://code2000.net/CODE2000.ZIP Code2000] -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:30, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

== Color Match ==

I think te colors here should match the colors for the character page. Daniel should be MidnightBlue, Taylor should be SkyBlue. if no one objects I'm going to make that change tomarrow morning -[[User:Misty|misty]] 21:44, 16 May 2007 (CDT)
:'''Strong support.''' Oh yes, color match! :) I'm in <3 with organization. Misty, you rock. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 15:19, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

:: I think they should match, but Taylor should be green on both initials and her character box because it's the color of her YouTube channel.[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=soccerstar4ever] --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:25, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
::: Well none of the other characters match their YouTube channel, and green already is Owen's color. I'll wait till we have consensus to make the change -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:50, 18 May 2007 (CDT)

:::: Okay, I vote '''yes''' to change the color boxes to match their profiles. But if the initials for the characters get changed, I might get upset. I know Op is all matching, but she has an AphidPerson template, not a Person template. Any thoughts on not using AphidPerson anymore? Person is looking way better, I must say. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 08:59, 19 May 2007 (CDT)

== Made Jules init ==

I made an init for Jules as well. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 10:54, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

:Hm, I was thinking that CMJ24 was a bit long. Maybe it would look better as Jul? Or J24? Or something. I don't know, I'm not personally crazy about it now, although I do like the use of colors! What do people think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:32, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

== Made CiW init ==

I just made an init for Cassieiswatching. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 11:07, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

== Sarah ==
Hm, I'm not sure about the SkyIE for Sarah. It's kind of misleading. And it is not the name of her Youtube or anything, just her Myspace. Maybe we'd be better keeping it "Sar" for now? I think it would be clearer to people. Because I'm [[Talk:Sarah|definately not the only one]] who was confused. Thoughts please?? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:36, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
: I really liked SkyIE - Like someone said, its consistant with the other V-Bloggers in that their initials are abbreviations of their Usernames. That, and it shows that we pay attention to this kind of thing. Besides, maybe the creators have a future Revver/YouTube account ready to be activated soon with a similar name. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:25, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
::On a further note, if people are confused, they can simply click on the Initial Tag . . . and then they'll know why SkyIE is so. At least for now . . . . --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:47, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
:::Just popping in for a bit. I think the use of Sarah's screenname as the Init is consistent, but I don't like SkyIE. When I saw it the first time I thought "hey maybe this is some weird error message because I'm using Internet Explorer?". I know, weird. Still, SkyIE just doesn't have the same catchiness as LG, DB, Jtko or even G19. Perhaps just Sky would be better? And maybe in black? Sarah would want it in black, I think. ;)
:::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:45, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Okidokes, here's what I had in mind. {{init Sarah test|Sarah}}. It looks a little plain on here, but if you put it in the Main Page and preview, it looks nice and Sarah-ish. We can leave out the IE, it's not crucial. Even LG15 became LG in the Init template. All righty, take it away!
::::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:56, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Template:Init

2007-06-01T03:49:52Z

OwenIsCool: tried out a modification for Sarah's. I like it, but reverting for now until others weight in

{{#switch: {{{1}}}
| Bree = '''[[Bree|LG]]'''
| Daniel = '''[[Daniel|DB]]'''
| Jonas = '''[[Jonas|JTKO]]'''
| OpAphid = '''[[OpAphid|<nowiki>[</nowiki>Op<nowiki>]</nowiki>]]'''
| Gemma = '''[[Gemma|G19]]'''
| Tachyon = '''[[Tachyon|TAC]]'''
| Brother = '''[[Brother|BRO]]'''
| Nikki Bower = '''[[Nikki Bower|NBR]]'''
| Paulmark18 = '''[[Paulmark18|P&A]]'''
| Cassieiswatching = '''[[Cassieiswatching|CiW]]'''
| the Order
| The Order = '''[[the Order|ORD]]'''
| Jules = '''[[Jules|CMJ24]]'''
| Sarah = '''[[Sarah|SkyIE]]'''
| Taylor = '''[[Taylor|Soc]][[Image:Green star.jpg]]'''
| #default = ???????}}<noinclude>

==Example==
{{init|Bree}}
{{init|Daniel}}
{{init|Jonas}}
{{init|Gemma}}
{{init|OpAphid}}
{{init|Tachyon}}
{{init|Brother}}
{{init|Nikki Bower}}
{{init|Paulmark18}}
{{init|the Order}}
{{init|Taylor}}
{{init|Jules}}
{{init|Cassieiswatching}}
{{init|Sarah}}
==Usage==
The following template is used to generate standardized initials for various bloggers. Currently the template supports Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Gemma, OpAphid, Tachyon, Brother, Nikki Bower, Paulmark18, the Order, Taylor, Jules, and Cassieiswatching.

Other bloggers and other spellings are not currently supported. The syntax is somewhat complex for this template. If you would like a blogger to be added, just ask on the [[Template_talk:Init|talk page]].

To use, simply enter <nowiki> {{init|blogger of your choice}}</nowiki>. For example, <nowiki>{{init|Jonas}}</nowiki> will create '''[[Jonas|JTKO]]'''.

This template is protected because it is in use on the [[Main Page]].

[[category:Main Page templates]]</noinclude>

Template:Init

2007-06-01T03:48:33Z

OwenIsCool: just checking out a little change, I'll revert in a minute

{{#switch: {{{1}}}
| Bree = '''[[Bree|LG]]'''
| Daniel = '''[[Daniel|DB]]'''
| Jonas = '''[[Jonas|JTKO]]'''
| OpAphid = '''[[OpAphid|<nowiki>[</nowiki>Op<nowiki>]</nowiki>]]'''
| Gemma = '''[[Gemma|G19]]'''
| Tachyon = '''[[Tachyon|TAC]]'''
| Brother = '''[[Brother|BRO]]'''
| Nikki Bower = '''[[Nikki Bower|NBR]]'''
| Paulmark18 = '''[[Paulmark18|P&A]]'''
| Cassieiswatching = '''[[Cassieiswatching|CiW]]'''
| the Order
| The Order = '''[[the Order|ORD]]'''
| Jules = '''[[Jules|CMJ24]]'''
| Sarah = '''[[Sarah|Sky]]'''
| Taylor = '''[[Taylor|Soc]][[Image:Green star.jpg]]'''
| #default = ???????}}<noinclude>

==Example==
{{init|Bree}}
{{init|Daniel}}
{{init|Jonas}}
{{init|Gemma}}
{{init|OpAphid}}
{{init|Tachyon}}
{{init|Brother}}
{{init|Nikki Bower}}
{{init|Paulmark18}}
{{init|the Order}}
{{init|Taylor}}
{{init|Jules}}
{{init|Cassieiswatching}}
{{init|Sarah}}
==Usage==
The following template is used to generate standardized initials for various bloggers. Currently the template supports Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Gemma, OpAphid, Tachyon, Brother, Nikki Bower, Paulmark18, the Order, Taylor, Jules, and Cassieiswatching.

Other bloggers and other spellings are not currently supported. The syntax is somewhat complex for this template. If you would like a blogger to be added, just ask on the [[Template_talk:Init|talk page]].

To use, simply enter <nowiki> {{init|blogger of your choice}}</nowiki>. For example, <nowiki>{{init|Jonas}}</nowiki> will create '''[[Jonas|JTKO]]'''.

This template is protected because it is in use on the [[Main Page]].

[[category:Main Page templates]]</noinclude>

Template talk:Init

2007-06-01T03:45:15Z

OwenIsCool: Sky

User:OwenIsCool

2007-06-01T03:42:28Z

OwenIsCool: Gone Hiking

{{GoneHiking|travels|sometime, not sure when}}

=Moi=
{{Person
| name = OwenIsCool
| image = Owen hiding in his shell.jpg
| age = I'm not sure, but I think my price tag is still on.
| birthday =
| youtube =
| myspace =
| actor = Owen
| first = still in my shell
| last = "so dark in here..."
| color = #7b6
}}
Well, a little about me (but not too much, that would be BO-ring).

I started following the LG15 thing sometime mid-October when everyone already knew it was fake. I think this new medium for telling a story is very very cool. To tell you the truth, I'm not really happy with where the story is going anymore (for a number of reasons), but I keep coming back. Why? Because somewhere along the way I got hooked on the LGpedia. I'm a fan of wiki models but I was a little intimidated by Wikipedia and didn't get around to learning to post on it. LGpedia seemed like a friendlier place, with more newbies and more work to be done. So now even though I don't get a kick from the series, I still really like editing the wiki.
 

If you would like to help me plot the downfall of my purple nemesis, please leave a comment on my talk page.

{|
|{{User 2000edits}}
|{{Userbox Owensad}}
|{{Userbox Sysop}}
|-
|{{Userbox Watcher}}
|{{Userbox WANKER}}
|{{Userbox Lonelybeast}}
|-
|{{Userbox Lonelycrack}}
|{{Userbox FanVid0}}
|{{Userbox Overload}}
|-
|{{Userbox Userboxes}}
|{{Userbox Holes}}
|{{Userbox Categories}}
|-
|{{Userbox Dad}}
|{{Userbox Growup}}
|{{Userbox NBR}}
|-
|{{Userbox Cthulhu}}
|{{Userbox Mr. Seal}}
|{{Userbox 14Hours}}
|-
|{{Userbox Cuteshirt}}
|{{Userbox Aerobics}}
|{{Userbox Science}}
|-
|{{Userbox LGBot}}
|{{Userbox Throwup}}
|{{Userbox Style}}
|-
|{{Userbox Firefox}}
|{{Hardwork}}
|}

=Stuff I want to do=
This little section is like a to-do list for me. I'll just be writing down things that I'd like to see on the wiki. If any of these sound like something you'd like to work on, do feel free to pitch in!

==Articles that need some TLC==
As of late I've noticed some important articles need to be updated to reflect what's been happening in the series. An example of such an article is [[Daniel]], which hasn't been majorly updated since before the (fake) ceremony it seems. In this section I'll keep a list of articles that I think need work. Sometimes I come across them while I'm busy working on something else, and then I forget that I meant to get back to them. That shouldn't happen anymore! 
If you see an article you'd like to work on that's on this list, by all means, jump right in! Part of the reason I put them on here is so other people will think to improve on them, not just me. =)
*[[Daniel]]
*[[The Order]] -- it's greatly improved now but still needs work
*[[Bree's parents]]
*[[Tachyon]]
*[[Cassieiswatching]]
*[[LG15 Spin-offs]]
*A page or userbox on the responsible use of the darned '''Preview''' button. I love seeing new people get interested in the wiki, but it's a drag having to remind them of the good reasons to avoid numerous little edits. We need a standard thingie we can use over and over with little work. I plagiarized Wikipedia's article into [[Help:Show preview]], but I don't think that'll do much by itself.

==[[LG15 Music]]==
*I created a page called [[LG15 Soundtrack]] listing all the music appearing thus far in the LG15 videos. It includes links to the artists' pages and links to listen (and sometimes download for free!) the pieces themselves.
*The information it currently contains is up-to-date and accurate... only to the best of my knowledge. So please check out the page and add anything that's missing, or correct me if I slipped up!
*It needs to be updated. If this is something that interests you, update the soundtrack when a new video comes on. Even if you haven't worked with tables before, I think you'll find it's pretty intuitive. Just click the edit tab and it'll all make sense. If it doesn't, just ask =)

==Footnotes==
*Eliminate all instances of [http://en.wikipedia.org According to Wikipedia], "According to _________", etc. and replace with real references.
**By "real references" I mean little numbers (like so [1]) next to the claim you are making and a References section on the bottom of the article. It would just be less distracting, and it would make it easier for people to look up a reference too, rather than reading through the whole article again.
**I already did some research into this. Apparently our wiki has something called Cite.php which is simple code that you can use to make references like the ones I described. It automatically makes them into a list at the bottom of the article.
**To learn the basics of footnotes, see [[Help:Footnotes]].
**If you're ready for the advanced class, see [[LGPedia:Footnotes]].
**Cite.php was recently installed on the LGpedia. I plan to make full use of it. If you see any pages reeking with "According to _______", let me know and we shall fix it together.
**Where to download [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite.php Cite.php]. Site has good info on how to use the code too, that's why I included it. You don't need to download it.

=Testing, 1 2 3...=
A place to try stuff out...

{| align=center style="width:1000px" border=2
|-
|colspan=5 align=center style="background:#99CCFF; color:black"|'''''Soundtrack'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|'''Vlog'''
| style=background:white|'''Song'''
| style=background:white|'''Artist'''
| style=background:white|'''Album'''
| style=background:white|'''Download'''
|-
|style=background:white| [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]]
|style=background:white| Crazy
|style=background:white| Gnarls Barkley
|style=background:white| not sure
|style=background:white| Copyrighted
|-
|style="background:white| Purple Monkey
|style="background:white| Son Soo (Treatment)
|style="background:white| Victor
|style="background:white| not sure
|style="background:white| here
|-
|}

This table will be replaced with Treefunk's design (see my discussion page).

And this is for the main page redesign stuff...
{| align=center style="width:300px" border=2
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#99CCFF; color:black"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Vid22.jpg|150px]]
| style=background:white|[[Image:Daniel.jpg|150px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:white"| '''[[Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Daniel]]'''
|-
|style="background:white|[[Image:Gemma_background.jpg|150px]]
|style="background:white|[[Image:MNIJonas.gif|150px]]
|-
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Gemma]]'''
|align=center style=background:white| '''[[Jonas]]'''
|-
|}

==New music table==
Here goes... table 3.0. Please comment!

{| align=center style="width:800px" border=2
|-
|colspan=3 align=center style="background:#99CCFF"|'''''Soundtrack'''''
|-
! Vlog
! Song
! Artist
|-
|[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]]
|Crazy
|[http://www.gnarlsbarkley.com/ Gnarls Barkley]
|-
|[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]]
|[http://ccmixter.org/people/victor/victor_-_Son_Soo_(Treatment).mp3 Son Soo (Treatment)]
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/people/victor Victor]
|-
|[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]]
|Working for the Man
|[http://www.orbison.com Roy Orbison]
|-
|[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]]
|Grillz
|[http://www.myspace.com/nelly Nelly]
|-
|[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]]
|Zipper and Jeans
|[http://www.myspace.com/harlantbobo Harlan T Bobo]
|-
|[[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]]
|[http://ccmixter.org/people/beatgorilla/beatgorilla_-_Brilliant_Daze_(days_are_confused_mix).mp3 Brilliant Daze (Days Are Confused mix)]
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/people/beatgorilla Beat Gorilla]
|-
|[[He Said, She Said]]
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/files/Pitx/6465 Good Morning]
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/files/Pitx Pitx]
|-
|[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]]
|Promiscuous
|[http://www.myspace.com/nellyfurtado Nelly Furtado]
|-
|[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]]
|The Truth
|[http://www.myspace.com/mauf MAUF]
|-
|[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]] (YouTube version)
|[http://mp3download.myspace.com/music.ashx?bandid=10810354&songid=1128045&name=10810354_15e1c374 Office Suite Part I]
|[http://myspace.com/thematthewshow The Matthew Show]
|-
|[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]] (Revver version)
|The Bandit
|[http://www.myspace.com/starlightmints Starlight Mints]
|-
|[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] (YouTube version)
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/files/mcjackinthebox/6098 Remained]
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/people/mcjackinthebox MC Jack in the Box]
|-
|[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] (Revver version)
|Leave Me Alone
|SPY
|-
|[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]]
|[http://ccmixter.org/people/beatgorilla/beatgorilla_-_Razor_Sharp_(Hyper_Hood_Mix).mp3 Razor Sharp (Hyper Hood Mix)]
|[http://ccmixter.org/media/people/beatgorilla Beat Gorilla]
|-
|[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]]
|[http://mp3download.myspace.com/music.ashx?bandid=2272441&songid=1797089&name=2272441_c256d4bf All OK]
|[http://www.myspace.com/somethingforrockets Something For Rockets]
|-
|[[Swimming!]]
|[http://mp3download.myspace.com/music.ashx?bandid=2336500&songid=19269054&name=2336500_dfa027d0 Junkie]
|[http://www.myspace.com/thejanedoes The Jane Doe's]
|-
|[[Bree The Cookie Monster]]
|[http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1379325916 Nothin' Pretty] (link to music video)
|[http://www.myspace.com/newprofessionals New Professionals]
|-
|[[I'm Going to the Party!]]
|Mercurial Girl
|[http://www.myspace.com/5starfall Five Star Fall]
|-
|[[House Arrest]]
|Window
|[http://www.myspace.com/jacquelinenassar Jacqueline Nassar]
|-
|[[In The Park]]
|All I Want
|[http://www.myspace.com/judechristodal Jude]
|-
|[[What's A Date?]]
|Be Like The Sun
|[http://www.myspace.com/lemondemon Lemon Demon]
|-
|[[My First Kiss]]
|Hooray for Love
|David Baerwald
|}

This is the music table design we stuck with and it now lives on the [[LG15 Soundtrack]] page.

Talk:Main Page

2007-05-18T02:27:03Z

OwenIsCool: let's keep the original color scheme

Talk:Main Page

2007-05-10T15:47:29Z

OwenIsCool:

''We've had some problems with vandalism on the talk page here. For now, only registered users can leave comments here. If you have a question to ask, feel free to [[Special:Userlogin|create an account]], it's fast, easy, fun and free. Or, if you have questions, you can always ask our administrators, [[User_talk:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User_talk:JayHenry|JayHenry]] or [[User_talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]].''

== Talk Archive for Main Page ==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_up_to_November_2006 | Archive up to November 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Nov-Dec 2006 | Archive from November up to December 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Dec-Jan 2007 | Archive from December up to January 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion | Archive of redesign discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign | Archive of final redesign discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Jan-Feb2007]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive of character box discussion]]

==Features==
Does anybody else think that the featured article should be at the top of the page? Maybe somebody could try making the top header smaller and sticking it to above the table and using the white space above Latest Developments for the featured article. I hope that makes sense, I tried to visualize it. Just a thought. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:25, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

== Alex to migrate to main page? ==

I know this has already been debated, but I think that Alex should be moved to the Main Page very soon.
Some people have said she shouldn't because she's not a blogger like Bree, Daniel, Gemma and Jonas; I still consider her a main character. No one ever really said that all main characters have to be bloggers...

No i don't believe that she should, Because the main characters on the main page, are in all or most of the videos and shes not in that many, I think that it would just be safe to keep her in the supporting characters section, unless she becomes a character that should be put on the main page.

But thats my personal opinion.

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

Well, I say we should give it another two or three weeks, ''then'' decide.
--[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]]
: In my opinion we should change the title from "Main Charcters" to "Bloggers" to try and avoid this confussion, because you can argue forever as to what constitutes a main character, as seen above in the "Gemma" section, with people thinking Bree's Parents should be in there. I think we should go down the route of simplicity and have it as bloggers, since these are the charcters we are connected to, since we see it through there point of view. Just my opinion. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 18:22, 6 April 2007 (CDT)
:: in my opinion, there are no "bloggers" anymore. the "Blogs" have just become plot points, which are posted as episodes of the lonelygirl15 series, under the lonelygirl15 productions' account on revver and youtube-[[User:Misty|Misty]] 18:34, 6 April 2007 (CDT)
:::It's true that they are not blogs in the traditional sense (hehe, it's funny using the word traditional about blogs, anyway back to my point) but I cannot think of a better word. Thinking about it "Episodes of the lonelygirl15 series" is all they ever have been, done in blog form or not. Anyway I think that Alex should not be there, and the title should be changed to Bloggers, since the Teen Angst Adventure Gang are still the only individuals who post videos (the order and all it's factions discounted) and they are the people who give us the plot, Aunt Alex is part of the plot but BDJ ''are'' the plot. Anyway just my opinions, apologies for the long and ramblingness of them. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 18:58, 6 April 2007 (CDT)
::::I think that if Alex is the topic of another post or two, then she should be added to the list of main characters.--[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 11:03, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::Lets see if Alex goes with them, when they leave mexico, if she does, then I agree, put her on the front page -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 15:34, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

Okay, I think maybe it's time for Alex to hit the main page - she posted her first blog. Yes, I know it's officially a DB vid but it's still technically by Alex. All Daniel really did was hold the camera :P
Anyone else agree that she should now be moved?
--[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]]
: In theory I agree with you, but I think it's still premature. It's possible that BD&J, will take off, and that will be the last we hear from Alex. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:39, 11 April 2007 (CDT)
::Not sure I understand the obsession with moving Alex to the main page. It's not you personally, AccordianGuy--people have been anticipating this since the [[Uncle Dan]] days. I think it's a little premature and we should give the character a chance to really become "main" before adding her. In the meantime, though, if you feel like searching for some nice picture of her that we can use, you can go ahead and do so. You can post them here for others to chime in on which they like. We'll need to pick an image before adding her anyway, so might as well get a start. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:56, 11 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Well given this latest video It doesn't look likely tha alex is gonna become a main character -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:39, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

== Bree's new picture ==

what video is Bree's new picture from? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Garfwog|Garfwog]] ([[User talk:Garfwog|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Garfwog|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:[[Snow Angels]].--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:54, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

[[image:177-Bree.jpg|100px]]How does everyone feel about making
this the pic of Bree on the main page? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:13, 20 April 2007 (CDT)

:no way that' a really bad picture. the main reason i asked where her new picture is from is because that's the prettiest she's ever looked you can't ever get rid of it! -[[User:Garfwog|Garfwog]] 18:35, 26 April 2007 (CDT)

== NBR on main page? ==

JayHenry put Nikki Bowers latest video on the back on th main page, after I deleted it . I thhought that the main page and the video list were only supposed to include canon videos. on the list of videos talk it was decided that even the tachyon and brother videos don't belong. So can we get clear criteria as far as what gets included and what doesn't -[[User:Misty|misty]] 22:01, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

:I added it following the conversation at [[Talk:Following the Drugs!! - NBR Investigates]]. Nikki's video is included because it's difficult to understand the series without it. The [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos]] reflects those videos that appear on the left sidebar of lonelygirl15.com. But the Main Page does not follow this same guideline. Indeed, we always added Tachyon and Brother videos to the main page. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:16, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

== Video Descriptions ==

Just wondering, as this seems slightly better: have we ever considered writing our own descriptions to the new videos instead of copying and pasting the ones used when the videos are posted to Revver? We could make these descriptions shorter and more useful. When the videos are posted, they usually don't summarize the video because why would Bree, etc. tell you exactly what the video was about before you watched it? For an encyclopedia, however, it seems better to summarize. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 20:39, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

:Yeah, I seem to remember that we decided that writing our own descriptions would be better. Just most of the time no one does probably because it's easier to just copy/paste the description from the video. If you (or anyone) wants to start writing better descriptions, then go for it as far as I'm concerned.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:30, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

::Well, I changed them. However, I'm not sure if I like them or not -- so if anyone has any improvements/re-writes which would make them better, please add them! I think they're slightly longer than the original descriptions, which is bad in my opinion, since I already think the right column is too long. Anyways, if you guys totally don't like them feel free to revert. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:11, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

== Smosh ==

Some time last night Smosh overtook LG15 and became the most-subscribed channel on all of YouTube. Lonelygirl15 had been at the top for over 7 months. Does anyone think we should mention this somewhere? Maybe in recent developments? Maybe just in the [[lonelygirl15]] article? I see that [[User:OwenIsCool|OIC]] already uploaded [[:Image:Smosh_ian_and_anthony.JPG]]. Thoughts? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:22, 26 April 2007 (CDT)
::Hm, well I just went and checked.. LG is currently 17 ahead of smosh... and still in the lead! :P --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 11:24, 26 April 2007 (CDT)

:::You have to check their profile pages. The page for most-subscribed only updates once a day or so. At this moment [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Smosh Smosh] has 91684 and [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=lonelygirl15 LG15] has 91638. When the page updates next and Smosh is 50 or so ahead should we mention it? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:34, 26 April 2007 (CDT)

:::Ah, okay thanks for clarifying that. I say it's worth a mention. Not like.. a whole page on its own.. but def. a blurb on the front page :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 11:37, 26 April 2007 (CDT)

==maddy : ( ==

maddy's dead! i think that's important enough to put on the main page, even if she wasn't canon.
opinions, anyone? --[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 18:55, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

:It is shocking, but I don't think it relates to the LG15 storyline enough to warrant a mention on the Main Page. I have a feeling that we're going to hear more from Maddy in the future so this may not be as big as it looks like right now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 01:15, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

== "Encyclopedia" section update? ==

I think we should either update or organize the "Encyclopedia" section more. I really do think this, and it is a '''strong suggestion.''' Anyone else agree? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 15:35, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

:I think it's a good idea. Any suggestions on what we should include?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:09, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

::I know this has been mentioned before, but perhaps the Featured Article should be right below the Main Characters. After the [[Breeniverse Timeline]] is improved, we could include that. Maybe the links to the List of Videos and List of Characters? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:12, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
:::Not sure what you mean by all that. The link to "List of videos" is already where it should reasonably be found--on the videos column. The List of Characters link is already below the BDJ table. So are you just suggesting we add the Breeniverse Timeline, when it's been fixed up? And then move the FA right under the characters table, pushing everything else down?[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:15, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

:::: I definitely think we need to spruce up that section. There's a lot of pages on the wiki that are virtually impossible to find unless you know to look. Ideally, almost every page should be reachable from the Main Page in only one or two clicks. The question is, how do we identify those good pages and get them better placement? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:02, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
::::: I think an both topical and alphabetical indexes, would be helpful to make make articles more accessible. there should be links to both on the main page. -12:37, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

I think we need to add something for the Characters.. like a link to the new [[Characters]] page? And of course my [[Relationships]] page which I have been so vying for xP And hm, I think we should add links to the [[:Category:Notable details|Notable Details]] and [[:Category:Theories and speculation|theories and speculation]] categories, although maybe we should have pages summarizing this instead of just linking to the cats. themselves. Really, other than that though, I think the encyclopedia section contains just about everything we'd need? Yeah, I just think adding those links would help. And if people agree, etc, I'm happy to make summary pages for notable details and theories and speculation. Just er, let me know if its something that sounds good and I'll get right on that!

* [[Breeniverse]] — contains everything that is considered "real" within Bree's universe.
**[[The Story So Far...]] — Information on how the story is heading in the Breeniverse.
**[[Characters]] — learn about all our the LG15 characters
***[[Relationships]] — read up on the romances of the series
** [[Locations]] — information about all those places our favorite characters have been.
** [[Bree's religion|Bree's Religion]] — just exactly what faith does Bree follow? Read up on it here.
**[[:Category:Theories and speculation|Theories and Speculation]]— learn about what sinister plots may or not be taking place in the Breeniverse
**[[:Category:Notable details|Notable Details]] — read up on the little important details you may have otherwise missed in the videos
* [[Behind The Scenes]] — [[the Creators]], the cast and crew, music, and more news from lonelyworld.
* [[lonelygirl15.com|lonelygirl15.com Site Features]] — your guide to the forums, chat room, and LGPedia.
* [[LG15 Spin-offs|Unofficial Spinoffs]] — learn more about the unofficial spinoffs inspired by lonelygirl15.

That's what I was thinking. Yeah, the descriptions stink, but hey, it's a start. What do people think of this? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:37, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

::::::Here's what I think about those, Zoey.

* [[Breeniverse]] — Yes, but currently it is nominated for a cleanup and it is a stub, so we should probably improve it very much so first.
* [[The Story So Far...]] — Yes.
* [[Characters]] — Yes, especially after the awesomely new redesign!
* [[Relationships]] — A very good page. :) Yes.
* [[Locations]] — Yes, after a possible redesign? Currently the page is looking a bit shabby. Perhaps we could fix it up like we did the List of Videos and just recently the List of Characters?
* [[Bree's religion]] — Yes, a very big part in the plot.
* [[:Category:Theories and speculation|Theories and Speculation]] — Yes, speculation is very much so important, especially for newcomers to understand it all.
* [[:Category:Notable details|Notable details]] — No. They are tiny little details that are probably not worth mentioning.
* [[Behind The Scenes]] — I agree with this one.
* [[lonelygirl15.com|LG15 Site Features]] — No. The site features are not plot essential AT ALL except for the one time [[Bree's chat|Bree had a chat]].
* [[LG15 Spin-offs|Unofficial spinoffs]] — Sure. This might get newcomers excited and they'll start videoblogging as fan fiction.
And I agree, topical and alphabetical indexes would be so great. Maybe we should explain that LGPedia is a wiki that everyone can edit? Or is that already in the top part? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 15:22, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:That list is looking good. The only thing I would take out is Characters, and that's because there's already a link to that where it says "List of Characters" right under the BDJ table--you can't get much more obvious than that. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:28, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:: I would say keep the site features. They're not ''plot'' essential, but LG15 is an interactive experience with more than just plot. I could go either way on notable details. On the one hand, they are sorta fun; on the other hand, by definition trivial. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:34, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:::True, OIC, I forgot about the "Full list of Characters" link. I see your point about the interactive experience - remember when we helped Daniel crack Tachyon's code? Interactive experience right there. I stand my point though about the notable details - sure, they're fun for us lonelycracks, but do we really need a link to them? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 17:02, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

::::Here is my revamped Character Box for your consideration... [[Main_Page/redesign]]. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 07:28, 10 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::::The colors look all right in the [[Characters]] page, but I think they're a little clash-y in the character box. I would leave it as is. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 10:47, 10 May 2007 (CDT)
::::: Okay, I think we should put up Zoey's new list -- but I don't think we should link to category pages. So unless we create a home page for "notable details" and for "Theories and speculation" those links should go. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:40, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::: Um, yeah I'm working on a [[Theories and Speculation]] page right now, although its totally hideous and in progress atm because I haven't had much time to sit down and actually ''do it''. If anyone wants to help... :P But uh, hopefully later today I'll get a chance to work on the page and make it look much prettier and ready for use on the Main Page. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:45, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

User talk:SilverBULLETx3

2007-05-08T23:18:35Z

OwenIsCool:

This is SilverBULLETx3's '''talk page.''' Please start a new section when discussing a new issue and feel free to just chat! :)
Note: On the forums, I am known as '''xovonchezio.''' I also go by '''silverX3''' on here as my nickname.

== Your edit to [[Aunt Alex]] ==

This was probably an accident, but you replaced two instances of the word "########" with "########" in the article [[Aunt Alex]]. I reverted it, but I just thought I'd let you know.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:37, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
*Yeah, it was an accident. It happened when I edited it, but I didn't touch a thing on the word ########. I noticed it happened and I have no idea how. My computer gets all crazy with the censoring and stuff, so that would happen. Sorry for the inconvenience! --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 15:05, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

::Wow, that is weird. It even censored the word on this page when you added your comment. If you want to edit a page and your computer is doing that, maybe let someone know so they can fix it for you after you've made your changes. No problem though, and thanks for your contributions.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:24, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Well, thank you! :) --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 13:10, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

== Small request ==

I noticed that your user page was the only page on the LGPedia using {{tl|Blogpic}}. Would you mind if I changed it to {{tl|FakeBlog2}} so that {{tl|Blogpic}} can be deleted? It's no problem, really, just trying to do a little cleanup. If you want to change it yourself or whatever, that's fine too--it is your userpage.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:21, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:Sure, change it. But don't change the links, tags, pics, or anything else. Just the template. I don't mind. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:55, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

::Okay, I changed the template to {{tl|FakeBlog2}}. It looks exactly the same except without borders and it's a little smaller I think. Anyway, thanks for responding.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:40, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

== Discussion pages ==

There's no reason to create discussion pages with only "Discussion page." as the text. If you want to start a discussion, then by all means do so, but otherwise they can just be left alone.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:23, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

:Sorry. I was looking on the community portal and the top 5 most requested pages, and a few talk pages were on there, so I figured why not create them. But I'm sorry if that was a nuisance as well. I'm an amateur LGPedia editor, so please bear with all of my mistakes. I know I do that a lot. -[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 17:55, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

::It's not a big deal really, just more of an unnecessary thing. I don't think the [[Special:Wantedpages|wanted pages]] list is ever going to be completely empty, so we'll just have to deal with some redlinks. And sorry if I'm being kind of ####### you. I know it's tough starting out. Just don't be afraid to ask questions, no matter how silly they seem.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:02, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

:::Cool. That is true, people will always try to link to more and more stuff, that we just won't be able to handle on the LGPedia. It's okay - I've gotten to know some people on here and the forums, and I'm doing well. And I want a new video! xD --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 18:04, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

== Thank you ==
Thank you for resurrecting, the character redesign and for all your help with. The first time around, no one seemed very interested, but now it's a reality -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:04, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
:You're welcome. :) I didn't even know about the redesign page until looking at the talk page, and then I decided right then and there that I was going to contribute. And I'm glad that it's a reality, too. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 14:38, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

== How many edits ==

Sure thing. When you're logged in, look at the upper-right hand corner of the window and click on "my contributions". The list of all the edits you've made will come up. The way I count them is I click on "500", so it displays in lists of 500 edits, and then I count how many pages I have. When I run out of "500" edits pages, I narrow down to "100" and finish counting like that. Hope that helps, let me know if I wasn't clear enough. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:17, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
:You have over 200 edits =)
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:18, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

User talk:SilverBULLETx3

2007-05-08T23:17:41Z

OwenIsCool: How many edits

Talk:Main Page

2007-05-08T21:28:56Z

OwenIsCool: /* "Encyclopedia" section update? */

LGPedia:Tasks

2007-05-08T21:22:55Z

OwenIsCool: forgot to sign

This is a place to list tasks that need to be done on the [[LGPedia]]. If you notice anything that needs to be done, just [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Tasks&action=edit&section=new add it to the list]. If you have a general question about the wiki or a suggestion on how to do something, please visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony|Lucy's Balcony]]. If you're looking for some general ideas for things that need to be done, try visiting the [[LGPedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]]. This page is mainly for work that is relatively simple but takes time and effort to do. Examples of these types of tasks are categorizing pages, transcribing videos, and fixing inconsistencies over a variety of pages. If you have a question or clarification about a certain task, or if you complete one of them, just post a comment in the appropriate section. Completed tasks will eventually be moved to the [[LGPedia:Tasks/Completed|completed tasks page]].

== LordGreystoke422's videos ==

[[LordGreystoke422]] has ''a lot'' of videos, most of which don't have pages and some which do but don't have transcripts. Transcribing all of them will be a big task, but if anyone's up to it, then more power to them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 01:33, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

:: Okay, maybe it's just me, but I personally don't really think LG422 even ''needs'' video pages. A lot of the fan video series don't have individual video pages, but just have a basic summary of their plotlines on a page for them. Especially since LG422 doesn't really claim to be a character.. and posts on the site and has his own userpage and everything. Personally, I think the page that exsists already would probably suffice. I would love to hear people's thoughts on this though... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:06, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

:::Hmmm, good point. I just noticed that the first few videos had video pages but the rest didn't, so I figured they all should. Now I'm thinking it may not really be necessary. Other thoughts?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:55, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

::::On the community portal, it says that the LGPedia loves fan fiction. While LG422 isn't claiming to be anybody (a party guest, an old British friend, etc.), he is fan fiction, sort of like [[Bubbleteagirl]]. Bubbleteagirl's videos don't have pages, but I think they should and I think that LG422's should too. Feedback? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 14:59, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::I mentioned something similar on [[Talk:My Hero Deserves a Name]], but I'm still not really decisive on the issue. [[LordGreystoke422]]'s page has a summary of his videos, so is it really necessary to transcribe each one? There's a balance, I think, between having a video page for every video even remotely connected to LG15 and only including stuff that's [[canon]]. Obviously neither extreme is ideal, but we have to decide where we should fall on that continuum. Oh, and there's also the practical side too--does anyone really want to transcribe all of LG422's videos?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:23, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

::::::I would volunteer for the task of making all the video pages, including Transcript and Notes sections, and including the video templates with information completed. I'm not the best transcriber, so I'd leave that task to somebody else. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 15:44, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

::::::: If someone is going to actually sit down and transcribe his soliloquy-heavy hours of videos, I'd say fine. I really think it would take days. I just don't really see anyone doing that -- and I might question the mental health of someone who survived that experience :) He appears to have made his last video months ago. Unless someone volunteers to transcribe I'd vote not to create 50 permanently incomplete pages. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:57, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::::Definitely. I applaud Silver's enthusiasm for chronicling LG422's videos, but we should take them one at a time. If you're a slow transcriber, that's not a problem, just take your time. However, I certainly don't want 50 pages of just video templates with no transcripts, especially since we don't know who is going to do them some day, if ever. That isn't helpful to anyone. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:22, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

== Timeline ==

The [[Breeniverse Timeline]] page is only updated through February 13th, 2007. If the page is worth saving, it should probably be updated.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:56, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

:Yes, I was noticing that too. I think a few of the pages are a bit redundant... and as they are all summarizations of the plot, it doesn't really seem reasonable to expect that they will be constantly updated. I feel like the [[lonelygirl15]] page and the [[Breeniverse Timeline]] don't really need plot info, as [[The Story So Far...]] is kept much more up to date and has the most accurate info? I'm also wondering what the heck is up with the [[Newcomer Guide]], but I guess that's another story? Anyway, perhaps we should just get rid of the timeline page.. and remove plot info from the LG15 page... and really that would pretty effectively "clean it up". I just think it will be easier to keep things up to date and pretty-ful that way. Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] ([[User talk:Zoey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zoey|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

::I agree that [[Lonelygirl15]] and [[Breeniverse Timeline]] shouldn't really have plot information. From scanning the section titles, it seems like [[Lonelygirl15]] is on the right track: "Revelations of fictionality" (is "fictionality" a word?), "Production Techniques", etc. are the things we need in that article. There is some plot on that page, though, and it probably should be removed. For the [[Breeniverse Timeline]] page, I'm not sure we even need as much information as what's there right now. Most of it is simply "____ posts the video _____". We can just look at the [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video page]] to find that information. I think the kinds of things that should be on that page are major plot moves like when [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] go on the run and other related information like when Bree was born and so on. For [[The Story So Far...]], I like how that looks--very short summaries of the videos that give a nice overview of the plot. And that page is being updated fairly regularly. And I don't have a clue about the [[Newcomer Guide]] page, but the all-caps hurts my eyes. Other pages to consider looking at are [[Catch Up]] and [[LGPedia:Welcome]]. We really need to condense all of this stuff so that it actually makes sense.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:12, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

:::Hm, what if we totally got rid of the plot info on [[Lonelygirl15]] and just refered people to [[The Story So Far...]] I personally vote for deleting the following pages: [[Breeniverse Timeline]], [[Catch Up]], and [[Newcomer Guide]]. I feel like Breeniverse Timeline is redundant... and that the other two are really more "crazy fan things" than actual informative pages. The [[LGPedia:Welcome]] looks like it covers the info that [[Newcomer Guide]] and [[Catch Up]] really ''should'' cover and is nice and consice and to the point. Maybe the language can be spiffed up a bit, but other than that.. it really does refer people to the pages that need refering to. Once its cleaned up slightly, I would say we could even go ahead and put it on the main page. I think people might find it helpful. If no one has any objections, maybe you could go ahead and delete those three pages.. and I'm happy to fix up those minor things on LG15 page and the Welcome page. Please, I'd really love people's opinions though!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:48, 22 April 2007 (CDT)

::::I'm with you on wanting others' opinions. It's much easier to know if doing something is a good idea when people give their input. Anyway, for [[Lonelygirl15]], deleting the plot info sounds fine as long as we direct people to [[The Story So Far...]]. I'll add delete tags to the three pages you mentioned, but I don't think I should delete a page until we've waited a couple days for people to give their thoughts on the issue. I do see ''some'' value in [[Breeniverse Timeline]], but perhaps the information that's worth keeping could be merged into other articles. As a matter of fact, [[LGPedia:Welcome]] is linked to from the [[Main Page]], but it's hard to see--it's the word "Welcome" at the very top of the page. I think most people probably aren't seeing the link so that page doesn't get as much traffic as would be ideal. If you or anyone else wants to work on [[Lonelygirl15]] and [[LGPedia:Welcome]], that'd be great. I think the thing we lack the most here is actual article writing, so anything we can get in that area is greatly appreciated.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:52, 22 April 2007 (CDT)

:::::I've always wanted to improve the welcome/help/newcomer section, but I haven't had the time to work on this that I used to. I think redesigning the Breeniverse timeline to only include major events would be preferable to outright deletion. It's hard to keep track, oh when did they first go on the run? When did her dad get shot? etc. Major events would be good to keep track of, but "Bree posted the video [[What Makes Us Sad?]]" probably doesn't need to be noted. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:05, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

::::::That seems to be the consensus that we reached on [[Talk:Breeniverse Timeline]], so I think we'll go with that.

== Catch Up page ==

Before we delete [[Catch Up]], it would be good to go through and copy some useful information about some of the videos into their notes sections. See [[Talk:Catch Up]] for a discussion of this.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:22, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

== Minor category technique ==

This is something I noticed being used on other wikis, and I think it's a good idea. For pages that describe the content of any category (like the [[Locations]] page), it makes sense to include that page in [[:Category:Locations]]. However, if it's listed among the actual locations, it looks like it's a location itself. To fix this, the page can be categorized with <nowiki>[[Category:Locations|*]]</nowiki> so that it will be the first item in the category and distinguishable from the rest. I've done this to a few pages, but there are more that this could be done for. A list of all the categories on the wiki can be found at [[Special:Categories]]. I hope this makes sense.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:50, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

LGPedia:Tasks

2007-05-08T21:22:09Z

OwenIsCool: /* LordGreystoke422's videos */

This is a place to list tasks that need to be done on the [[LGPedia]]. If you notice anything that needs to be done, just [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Tasks&action=edit&section=new add it to the list]. If you have a general question about the wiki or a suggestion on how to do something, please visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony|Lucy's Balcony]]. If you're looking for some general ideas for things that need to be done, try visiting the [[LGPedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]]. This page is mainly for work that is relatively simple but takes time and effort to do. Examples of these types of tasks are categorizing pages, transcribing videos, and fixing inconsistencies over a variety of pages. If you have a question or clarification about a certain task, or if you complete one of them, just post a comment in the appropriate section. Completed tasks will eventually be moved to the [[LGPedia:Tasks/Completed|completed tasks page]].

== LordGreystoke422's videos ==

[[LordGreystoke422]] has ''a lot'' of videos, most of which don't have pages and some which do but don't have transcripts. Transcribing all of them will be a big task, but if anyone's up to it, then more power to them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 01:33, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

:: Okay, maybe it's just me, but I personally don't really think LG422 even ''needs'' video pages. A lot of the fan video series don't have individual video pages, but just have a basic summary of their plotlines on a page for them. Especially since LG422 doesn't really claim to be a character.. and posts on the site and has his own userpage and everything. Personally, I think the page that exsists already would probably suffice. I would love to hear people's thoughts on this though... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:06, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

:::Hmmm, good point. I just noticed that the first few videos had video pages but the rest didn't, so I figured they all should. Now I'm thinking it may not really be necessary. Other thoughts?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:55, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

::::On the community portal, it says that the LGPedia loves fan fiction. While LG422 isn't claiming to be anybody (a party guest, an old British friend, etc.), he is fan fiction, sort of like [[Bubbleteagirl]]. Bubbleteagirl's videos don't have pages, but I think they should and I think that LG422's should too. Feedback? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 14:59, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::I mentioned something similar on [[Talk:My Hero Deserves a Name]], but I'm still not really decisive on the issue. [[LordGreystoke422]]'s page has a summary of his videos, so is it really necessary to transcribe each one? There's a balance, I think, between having a video page for every video even remotely connected to LG15 and only including stuff that's [[canon]]. Obviously neither extreme is ideal, but we have to decide where we should fall on that continuum. Oh, and there's also the practical side too--does anyone really want to transcribe all of LG422's videos?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:23, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

::::::I would volunteer for the task of making all the video pages, including Transcript and Notes sections, and including the video templates with information completed. I'm not the best transcriber, so I'd leave that task to somebody else. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 15:44, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

::::::: If someone is going to actually sit down and transcribe his soliloquy-heavy hours of videos, I'd say fine. I really think it would take days. I just don't really see anyone doing that -- and I might question the mental health of someone who survived that experience :) He appears to have made his last video months ago. Unless someone volunteers to transcribe I'd vote not to create 50 permanently incomplete pages. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:57, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::::Definitely. I applaud Silver's enthusiasm for chronicling LG422's videos, but we should take them one at a time. If you're a slow transcriber, that's not a problem, just take your time. However, I certainly don't want 50 pages of just video templates with no transcripts. That isn't helpful to anyone.

== Timeline ==

The [[Breeniverse Timeline]] page is only updated through February 13th, 2007. If the page is worth saving, it should probably be updated.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:56, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

:Yes, I was noticing that too. I think a few of the pages are a bit redundant... and as they are all summarizations of the plot, it doesn't really seem reasonable to expect that they will be constantly updated. I feel like the [[lonelygirl15]] page and the [[Breeniverse Timeline]] don't really need plot info, as [[The Story So Far...]] is kept much more up to date and has the most accurate info? I'm also wondering what the heck is up with the [[Newcomer Guide]], but I guess that's another story? Anyway, perhaps we should just get rid of the timeline page.. and remove plot info from the LG15 page... and really that would pretty effectively "clean it up". I just think it will be easier to keep things up to date and pretty-ful that way. Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] ([[User talk:Zoey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zoey|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

::I agree that [[Lonelygirl15]] and [[Breeniverse Timeline]] shouldn't really have plot information. From scanning the section titles, it seems like [[Lonelygirl15]] is on the right track: "Revelations of fictionality" (is "fictionality" a word?), "Production Techniques", etc. are the things we need in that article. There is some plot on that page, though, and it probably should be removed. For the [[Breeniverse Timeline]] page, I'm not sure we even need as much information as what's there right now. Most of it is simply "____ posts the video _____". We can just look at the [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video page]] to find that information. I think the kinds of things that should be on that page are major plot moves like when [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] go on the run and other related information like when Bree was born and so on. For [[The Story So Far...]], I like how that looks--very short summaries of the videos that give a nice overview of the plot. And that page is being updated fairly regularly. And I don't have a clue about the [[Newcomer Guide]] page, but the all-caps hurts my eyes. Other pages to consider looking at are [[Catch Up]] and [[LGPedia:Welcome]]. We really need to condense all of this stuff so that it actually makes sense.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:12, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

:::Hm, what if we totally got rid of the plot info on [[Lonelygirl15]] and just refered people to [[The Story So Far...]] I personally vote for deleting the following pages: [[Breeniverse Timeline]], [[Catch Up]], and [[Newcomer Guide]]. I feel like Breeniverse Timeline is redundant... and that the other two are really more "crazy fan things" than actual informative pages. The [[LGPedia:Welcome]] looks like it covers the info that [[Newcomer Guide]] and [[Catch Up]] really ''should'' cover and is nice and consice and to the point. Maybe the language can be spiffed up a bit, but other than that.. it really does refer people to the pages that need refering to. Once its cleaned up slightly, I would say we could even go ahead and put it on the main page. I think people might find it helpful. If no one has any objections, maybe you could go ahead and delete those three pages.. and I'm happy to fix up those minor things on LG15 page and the Welcome page. Please, I'd really love people's opinions though!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:48, 22 April 2007 (CDT)

::::I'm with you on wanting others' opinions. It's much easier to know if doing something is a good idea when people give their input. Anyway, for [[Lonelygirl15]], deleting the plot info sounds fine as long as we direct people to [[The Story So Far...]]. I'll add delete tags to the three pages you mentioned, but I don't think I should delete a page until we've waited a couple days for people to give their thoughts on the issue. I do see ''some'' value in [[Breeniverse Timeline]], but perhaps the information that's worth keeping could be merged into other articles. As a matter of fact, [[LGPedia:Welcome]] is linked to from the [[Main Page]], but it's hard to see--it's the word "Welcome" at the very top of the page. I think most people probably aren't seeing the link so that page doesn't get as much traffic as would be ideal. If you or anyone else wants to work on [[Lonelygirl15]] and [[LGPedia:Welcome]], that'd be great. I think the thing we lack the most here is actual article writing, so anything we can get in that area is greatly appreciated.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:52, 22 April 2007 (CDT)

:::::I've always wanted to improve the welcome/help/newcomer section, but I haven't had the time to work on this that I used to. I think redesigning the Breeniverse timeline to only include major events would be preferable to outright deletion. It's hard to keep track, oh when did they first go on the run? When did her dad get shot? etc. Major events would be good to keep track of, but "Bree posted the video [[What Makes Us Sad?]]" probably doesn't need to be noted. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:05, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

::::::That seems to be the consensus that we reached on [[Talk:Breeniverse Timeline]], so I think we'll go with that.

== Catch Up page ==

Before we delete [[Catch Up]], it would be good to go through and copy some useful information about some of the videos into their notes sections. See [[Talk:Catch Up]] for a discussion of this.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:22, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

== Minor category technique ==

This is something I noticed being used on other wikis, and I think it's a good idea. For pages that describe the content of any category (like the [[Locations]] page), it makes sense to include that page in [[:Category:Locations]]. However, if it's listed among the actual locations, it looks like it's a location itself. To fix this, the page can be categorized with <nowiki>[[Category:Locations|*]]</nowiki> so that it will be the first item in the category and distinguishable from the rest. I've done this to a few pages, but there are more that this could be done for. A list of all the categories on the wiki can be found at [[Special:Categories]]. I hope this makes sense.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:50, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

Talk:It's Not Kidnapping

2007-05-08T07:46:57Z

OwenIsCool:

Erm... IMHO, the first pic was better. Mostly because I have a funny caption for it. --[[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 23:14, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

I had a funny caption for it too! It was "dont worry Im not gonna hurt you! I just want to eat your fish taco" Now true that quote didnt really fit with the other ones but I think that one fits with this one because thats what most of these kidnappers want to do! --[[User: Xwestsidex|Xwestsidex]] 21:19, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

Jbshryne, I gotta give it to ya, man. That is a funny ass picture!! And the quote fits hella good!! --[[User: Xwestsidex|Xwestsidex]] 21:19, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
:Hehe... thanks. --[[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 23:24, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

== Picture Debate ==

I'm pretty sure we've totally exhausted the 'fish taco has sexual connotations' joke. I thought this photo was better because it showed more characters. It also gives a better visual of the lengths BDJ are willing to go. The other one was just a sad Jules? I dont know, when going through the video I did actually take a snap at that exact second too, because I thought it was a powerful image... I just think the one where Daniel is actually in the /act/ of kidnapping Jules is even MORE powerful in what it says. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
:I certainly see your point. However, I still like mine better. :-> From a technical standpoint, though, your screencaps are a little small and low-quality. Is there any way for you to re-upload them, bigger? If not, I (or someone else, I'm sure) can help you. --[[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 23:34, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
::I really do not care to see another fish taco fight. It was really lame the first time it occurred. It is definitely uncalled for now considering Jules and the actress that plays her are obviously under age. Yes, Bree is 17 but Jessica Lee Rose is 20 so I can see as to why it was semi-acceptable to others. I really think it is uncalled for here. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 23:41, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I do have a larger copy, but truth be told the quality is not that much better. It was a 'moving' shot, so everything is a bit shakey. And in general, I do prefer to upload smaller screenshots as they only need to be that small and it saves space on the Wiki when your images are tinier. Did you mean all of my screencaps are low quality though? Or just this one? Because I can ''kinda'' see what you mean about this one.. because as I said it was a moving shot... but the others too? Bleh.
::::Jbshyrne's caption was the Six Flags one. Xwestsidex added the fish taco comment. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's no need to castigate Jb or anyone. Also, I do like this picture of Daniel kidnapping Jules. What a bizarre thing for TAAG to go. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:58, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::I'm not trying to attack JB or anyone, I'm just voicing why I believe it's wrong and how I really don't want to see another fish taco caption war. That's all... [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 00:00, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Ack! Good god, I'm not in support of any 'taco'-related captions. Yuck. --[[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 00:05, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
:::All right, cool, that's smart about saving space on the Wiki. I apologize for the general-sounding criticism. However, I'm not a fan of this particular pic, largely because of the movement. To still capture the "active" kidnapping, I would suggest a pic from around 0:45, or perhaps the YouTube thumbnail pic? Ultimately, though, as an LG Hard Work Award recipient, I will differ to your judgement. :-> --[[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 00:05, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
:: I can upload a better version of the picture, I'll do it in a few minutes. I don't think there any context for Fish taco here a caption need to fit the context, and there's probably never going to be a context for it. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:07, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
:Ok I uploaded a replacement, that was the full frame size, and a couple frames from the original. The picture was more stable, but still had the same feel as the one uploaded before. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:36, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
I just realized OIC wasn't talking to me. Haha, whoops. Carry on folks. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 00:26, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
:OIC, who WERE you refering to there? XD Because if it was me, I ''totally'' was not intending to either. -die- Sorry if it sounded like I was? I just was saying that in general, we HAVE exhausted the fish taco thing. Yeah. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:43, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
::Haha, sorry if I added a little confusion to the already mixed up discussion. I noticed that Xwestsidex complimented JB on the picture and said the caption was funny. Then I noticed people complaining about the fish taco reference. I hadn't been following the edit history, so I thought this meant that JB had made a fish taco joke, which was why Xwest thought it was funny. This didn't seem like JB to me, so I checked the edit history and realized that JB had put up the "Six Flags" caption, and then Xwest changed it. I thought others were also wrongly thinking it was JB who made the fish taco joke, so I jumped into the fray to stand up for him. Turns out it wasn't necessary. You all understood each other better without my help =)
::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 02:46, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

Talk:It's Not Kidnapping

2007-05-08T04:58:12Z

OwenIsCool:

Lurker Fan Club

2007-05-07T22:24:59Z

OwenIsCool: Create page moved to Lurker Fan Club: correct page title

== Welcome to the Lurker Fan Club page ==

----

This club was created with one purpose in mind; to pay homage to one of the most extraordinarily intelligent (and loved) posters on the LG15 forums...Lurker.

If you are spellbound with the totally awesome Lurker, then you are welcome here.

As most of us know, Lurker has an incredible talent for analyzing information, and then breaking it down to where we of more lowly intelligence can understand it. His logic and critical thinking abilities are beyond compare. All hail Lurker!

If you would like to join this club, then PM me. [http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4095]

Founder: longlostposter

Members:

Talk:Characters/redesign

2007-05-07T21:18:12Z

OwenIsCool: guest characters description

Ok I started a characters redesign page, but what I put up initially was just to get the ball rolling. Feel free to take it in a totally different direction, since what I did so far is really lame and needs the help of a decent designer [[User:Misty|Misty]] 21:55, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

== header ==

I'd like to see someone make a new header image for this page that looks somethng like the header image for the list of videos. who has the photoshop files with the LG15 artwork, fonts etc. - [[User:Misty|Misty]] 01:43, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
:Yeah, I'm sorry...I did start one a week ago, but Characters somehow didn't catch my attention as much as LoV...anyway, [http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=charsgd4.jpg this is how far I am]. I planned on putting black-on-white "Characters" in Giza 35 (LG15 font) to the left, scaling it down to 50% (or even lower), and coding the part in between as an empty table cell, to make the layout a little liquid.
:But then I made Dawson's Cove instead.
:Any input? Direct rejection?
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:13, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
:::That's a really nice job, Renegade. Daniel's picture is so gangsta, though! Lemme see if I can fish some nice pictures of the three. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]]
::::I kind of like the way daniel looks in the header, but one concern I have is what happens if theres a chage in cast? imean daniel or Jonas could be gone in the next video _[[User:Misty|Misty]] 16:58, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::Well, going by that logic, we couldn't have anybody but Bree in the header. And a Character'''s''' header with only one character on it looks kinda dumb.
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:10, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Here's a little bunch that I got for when we replaced his main page picture.
<gallery>
Image:DanielChar.jpg|Current image
Image:DanielMainSuggest1.JPG|Option 1
Image:DanielMainSuggest2.JPG|Option 2
Image:DanielMainSuggest3.JPG|Option 3
Image:DanielMainSuggest4.JPG|Option 4
</gallery>
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]]
:::::::I like Option 3. But then again I also like the picture of Gangsta Danny B. And I know it's best to use Giza 35, but compare that with Supafly 36. They both rock. Although you should probably use Giza 35, as it is the lonelygirl15 font. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 10:02, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Some edits ==

I just made a lot of edits to this page. First, I redid the way all of the characters were listed. You know the boxes with the Teen Angst Adventure Gang and the ARG characters as well as P. Monkey and Owen Who Daniel Has Mad Love For? I would like it if the boxes were aligned so that they were where that category started. I tried it but it messed it up on the preview so I didn't carry on. Maybe someone with more knowledge in the subject can help? I really like the idea of a Characters redesign. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 19:08, 4 May 2007 (CDT)
:: I put the character boxes in the sections as a start, but they need a lot more work, and we still need a header for the page -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:06, 4 May 2007 (CDT)
::: Thanks, misty! Well, do you know if Renegade is still working on the header? Because I saw the one with Gangsta Danny B, but that's all I saw. I'll try to work on it some. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 09:57, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:::: I haven't heard if he's still working on it. Last night i had an Idea that maybe we should make this look like the List of videos, with the same kind of header and picture montage, what do you think? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:46, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::::: I do like the look of the LoV, but not enough to make the Characters page like that. I think that the Characters page should have a different look so it doesn't get played-out, if you know what I mean. Make it unique. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:22, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::::: Oh, and I think every section (besides Unseen Characters and Ambiguous Mystery People) should have a character box like that. They do need some work, though. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:25, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::Yeah, I just didn't do it yet. If you want to work on it that's great -[[User:Misty|misty]] 13:14, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::::I will as long as I get the answer to one question. A character box that has 3 people is 300 px wide. Does that mean that every person is 100 px wide? And is the pic always 95px? --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 13:24, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::::I just made one for Supporting Characters, but I can't get a longer picture of either Alex or Sarah. Look into that? I think Lucy and Bree's mom are fine there though. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 13:37, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Dead characters ==

I made a new section for dead characters, since they can't really be considered main or even supporting characters if the are dead. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:50, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:Good thinking, Misty. I wouldn't have thought of that. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:22, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:However, I changed the name to "Deceased characters" so as not to be disrespectful. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 13:26, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Bree's Mother ==

I think we should move Bree's mother to guest characters, because she was only seen once and not talked about much either. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:50, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

:True, Misty, true, but I think she should stay where Bree's dad is. Y'know? But now I just found out about the Dead Characters section so nevermind LOL --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:24, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Help wanted ==

We've made alot of progress, but the character boxes still look like shit. We need better pictures, and we need some major design work still. anyone with design skills want to help out? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:10, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
: I've started a new template which could help tidy up this page - [[Template:Characterbox]]. It's an early version and everything can be tweaked from sizes, colours, borders, fonts etc. (so don't be put off if it looks primitive at the moment). The reason this could be useful is that it combines the images and the bullet points into one place. There are only 4 bits of information per character in the redesign page, so I've only put these 4 into the template: Image; Name; Actor; Blurb. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 22:32, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

::thats awsome -[[User:Misty|misty]] 22:54, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Character Boxes and headers ==

I really like the new Character Boxes except for a few things. The name should all be on one line, and
it should say "Played By:" on the line above it.-[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:20, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:I made some changes to the boxes/headers including the above (using "portrayed by" instead of "played by"). I also played around with making the height smaller so that the page length is reduced. Here are 3 options for height. I've left it at Option 2 for now although the blurb did fit in Option 3 as well, when I tried it out.

<center>
{| align=center style="width:725px" border=0 border-color=#2574C4
|-
| <div style=
"float:{{{float|left}}};
border:{{{border-width|{{{border-s|1}}}}}}px solid {{{border-color|{{{1|{{{border-c|{{{id-c|#999}}}}}}}}}}}}; margin:1px;">

{| cellspacing="0" style="width:240px; background:{{{info-background|{{{2|{{{info-c|#EEE}}}}}}}}};"
|-
|rowspan=2 style="width:120px; height:90px; background:{{{logo-background|{{{1|{{{id-c|#DDD}}}}}}}}}; text-align:center; font-size:{{{logo-size|{{{5|{{{id-s|14}}}}}}}}}pt; color:{{{logo-color|{{{id-fc|black}}}}}};" | '''{{{logo|{{{3|{{{id|Opt 1}}}}}}}}}'''
| style="font-size:{{{charactername-size|{{{charactername-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{charactername-color|{{{charactername-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{charactername|{{{4|{{{charactername|''character's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
| style="font-size:{{{actorname-size|{{{actorname-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{actorname-color|{{{actorname-color|black}}}}}};" | Portrayed by:
{{{actorname|{{{4|{{{actorname|''actor's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|colspan=2 align=center style="height:90px;font-size:{{{characterblurb-size|{{{characterblurb-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{characterblurb-color|{{{characterblurb-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{characterblurb|{{{4|{{{characterblurb|''character blurb''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|}
</div>
|<div style=
"float:{{{float|left}}};
border:{{{border-width|{{{border-s|1}}}}}}px solid {{{border-color|{{{1|{{{border-c|{{{id-c|#999}}}}}}}}}}}}; margin:1px;">

{| cellspacing="0" style="width:240px; background:{{{info-background|{{{2|{{{info-c|#EEE}}}}}}}}};"
|-
|rowspan=2 style="width:120px; height:90px; background:{{{logo-background|{{{1|{{{id-c|#DDD}}}}}}}}}; text-align:center; font-size:{{{logo-size|{{{5|{{{id-s|14}}}}}}}}}pt; color:{{{logo-color|{{{id-fc|black}}}}}};" | '''{{{logo|{{{3|{{{id|Opt 2}}}}}}}}}'''
| style="font-size:{{{charactername-size|{{{charactername-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{charactername-color|{{{charactername-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{charactername|{{{4|{{{charactername|''character's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
| style="font-size:{{{actorname-size|{{{actorname-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{actorname-color|{{{actorname-color|black}}}}}};" | Portrayed by:
{{{actorname|{{{4|{{{actorname|''actor's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|colspan=2 align=center style="height:60px;font-size:{{{characterblurb-size|{{{characterblurb-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{characterblurb-color|{{{characterblurb-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{characterblurb|{{{4|{{{characterblurb|''character blurb''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|}
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|<div style=
"float:{{{float|left}}};
border:{{{border-width|{{{border-s|1}}}}}}px solid {{{border-color|{{{1|{{{border-c|{{{id-c|#999}}}}}}}}}}}}; margin:1px;">

{| cellspacing="0" style="width:240px; background:{{{info-background|{{{2|{{{info-c|#EEE}}}}}}}}};"
|-
|rowspan=2 style="width:120px; height:90px; background:{{{logo-background|{{{1|{{{id-c|#DDD}}}}}}}}}; text-align:center; font-size:{{{logo-size|{{{5|{{{id-s|14}}}}}}}}}pt; color:{{{logo-color|{{{id-fc|black}}}}}};" | '''{{{logo|{{{3|{{{id|Opt 3}}}}}}}}}'''
| style="font-size:{{{charactername-size|{{{charactername-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{charactername-color|{{{charactername-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{charactername|{{{4|{{{charactername|''character's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
| style="font-size:{{{actorname-size|{{{actorname-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{actorname-color|{{{actorname-color|black}}}}}};" | Portrayed by:
{{{actorname|{{{4|{{{actorname|''actor's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|colspan=2 align=center style="height:45px;font-size:{{{characterblurb-size|{{{characterblurb-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{characterblurb-color|{{{characterblurb-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{characterblurb|{{{4|{{{characterblurb|''character blurb''}}}}}}}}}
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[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 03:16, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
</center>
::See [[Template:CharacterboxMini]] for use with minor characters. You can fit 4 of these on a row. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:25, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::: I think Guest Characters ands Unseen Characters should not have pictures. We should do a table for them -[[User:Misty|misty]] 09:43, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::: I changes my mind the table looks Bad --[[User:Misty|misty]] 10:47, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::Can you make it so that [[Template:CharacterboxMini]] can have picture and actors be optional? that way unseen characters wil just have the character name and blurb. If there's no pic of a seen character, it just shows: character name, portrayed by: actor's name. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:21, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I'll give it a go tomorrow... although if any template experts want to have a go beforehand, feel free... and just revert it if it doesn't work. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:12, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::: Jonpro Are you interested? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:45, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::Hmm, that's a little out of my league. I'm sure I could learn it, but dealing with graphics and boxes really isn't my thing (although I do like templates....hmmmmmm....). If you don't mind, I'll leave it up to you guys. And besides, PSmith is the bomb at this sort of stuff.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 13:12, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

::::::This page is coming along very nicely! Good job with the boxes, Psmith. I just have a couple of suggestions here
::::::*consider reducing the sizes of the boxes and the font size of the text in them. They look more than big enough on my screen. Is anyone else experiencing that?
::::::*consider making a "pictureless" box for unseen characters. We have 9 unseen characters, and no pictures for any of them (for obvious reasons!). They'd fit nicely in a 3x3 table of some minimini boxes.
::::::*consider leaving the CharacterboxMini with picture required. I know Misty was suggesting you add that functionality, but if you make a minimini box for the unseen characters, you won't need to modify CharacterBoxMini. Just thought that save you time from tinkering with the templates, since we do have pictures for everyone except the unseen characters.
::::::*the blurbs still need a little work, but I can help with that. I can add a few more pictures for now too.
::::::Again, great work, all.
::::::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:05, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::::OwenIsCool, make sure that you use the correct aspect ratio in your pictures. They need to be 4:3 not 1:1, like the one for Bree's mom-[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:44, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::::Another thing that would be great, Psmith, is if all of the Characterboxes were the same size, and all of the CharacterboxMinis were the same size. Bree's dad's box is bigger than Gemma's, and Gemma's isn't a Mini, for obvious reasons. And, what misty said, the pictures need to be 4:3 so that there's only a thin border. And perhaps we can customize the color? I may be going too far here, but those were just suggestions. :) [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:20, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

== Browsers ==
Thanks for the feedback. A quick question: what does this page look like in IE7? I was editing in Firefox where it is nice and neat and the pictures are definitely 4:3. Just tried IE6 and it was rather messy. Is IE7 any better?

{| align=center style="width:720px" border=0 border-color=#2574C4
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Firefox-Characterboxes.jpg|360px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:IE6-Characterboxes.jpg|360px]]
|-
|}[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 19:31, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

Well the mini box has some trouble in safari with longer names like katherine mcPhee. I think you need to make it a little wider. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:59, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:: Wait, this only happens when theres a minumum font size set, I had it set to 9. Without that it works fine in safari -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:07, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::: OK I booted up windows, to see how it looke in IE7, and it looked exactly the same as IE6. Maybe we should just force people to use a W3C standards compliant browser -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:20, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:I think I have a possible fix: make sure eveything in in px not pt. That way it won't be effected by differing font specifications for the different browsers. Also avoid using demoted HTML tags like <nowiki><center> or </nowiki> -[[User:Misty|misty]] 21:01, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

I just want to point out that in smaller resolutions the page is too wide. It causes horizontal scrollbars (which I find unattractive). It's not a HUGE deal, most people these days use wider resolutions, but I did want to point out that it causes a problem in smaller ones. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:43, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:: currently this page displays without horizontal scrolling at 1024X768 the same as the main page. Both scroll at 800X600 -[[User:Misty|misty]] 09:48, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
Ok I Got everything looking decent in IE. i'm now going o see if i can get "portrayed by:" to only show up is their is an actorname. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:44, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
:Looking good! [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 14:41, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

== Final stages ==

Ok, the Page looks almost ready to go live. Is there anything else that needs to be changed/fixed? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:41, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
:Yeah, the page is looking good. The blurbs could use a little work though. Bree's Dad's blurb is "Bree's Dad, murdered by Lucy and a Deacon". I mean, surely there's something more notable we can say about him. He's already in the deceased characters section, so why drive home the point that he's been murdered? Just an example, there are others that should be improved too. Maybe I'll go through them now. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:35, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
::Ok, I edited some of the blurbs. A couple came out too long, but you get the idea. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:54, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I'm going to make a change to the guest characters description. It currently reads: "These guest characters usually appear in one or two videos, are not referred to many times, do not have an impact on the plot, and do not post blogs. They are not recurring characters." There are at least 3 characters in that category that don't fit that description: Bree's mom, The Deacon, and Watcher. I'm going to try to edit it to include everyone in that group. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:18, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

== Some final suggestions ==

I was looking around at all of the improvements made, and I have to say, GREAT JOB! The pictures for P. Monkey, Owen, Thor, The Other Monkey, and Daniel's puppy, though, are a bit off. It goes slightly below the border, covering it up, and therefore there is a huge border at the top of the picture, and no border at the bottom. Didn't know how to fix that. Also - since the Guest Characters have been seen, is it possible to put a small picture in their box? I tried to make Bukanator a CharacterboxMicro, also, but I had some trouble. If anybody wouldn't mind fixing it up, that would be great. Bukanator might get a CharacterboxMini though, I wasn't sure. And Bree's dad and Gemma should have a colored box instead of black. After all that is dealt with, I think we should go live! :) [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:05, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Main Page

2007-05-07T21:15:44Z

OwenIsCool: /* "Encyclopedia" section update? */

Lonelygirl15 behind the scenes

2007-05-07T18:54:42Z

OwenIsCool: Reverted edits by 61.132.90.174 (Talk); changed back to last version by Zoey

[[Image:HumanRansom.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Front row from left: [[Glenn Rubenstein]], [[Mesh Flinders]], [[Yousef Abu-Taleb]], [[Frank Beckett]], [[Jessica Lee Rose]], [[Amanda Goodfried]], [[Miles Beckett]], [[Jackson Davis]].]]

The people who work '''behind the scenes''' often receive little credit, but more information on them can be found here.

==The Creators==

[[Image:Ch abc creators.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Greg Goodfried]], [[Miles Beckett]] and [[Mesh Flinders]] seen on ABC News.]]

* [[Miles Beckett]]
* [[Mesh Flinders]]
* [[Greg Goodfried]]

==The Production Team==

* [[Amanda Goodfried]] -- Producer
* [[Kevin Schlanser]] -- Camera/Editor
* [[Glenn Rubenstein]] -- Writer
* [[Vanessa Roveto]] -- Writer

==Primary Cast==

* [[Jessica Lee Rose]] -- [[Bree]]
* [[Yousef Abu-Taleb]] -- [[Daniel]]
* [[Jackson Davis]] -- [[Jonas]]

==Supporting Cast==
* [[Jackie Jandrell]] -- [[Gemma]]
* [[Bitsie Tulloch]] -- [[Alex]]
* [[Becki Kregoski]] -- [[Taylor]]
* [[Alexandra Dreyfus]] -- [[Sarah]]
* [[Alli Danziger]] -- [[Nikki Bower]]

==Lonelygirl15 Music==

* [[LG15 music|LG15 Music]] -- discussion of the music used in the videos.
* [[LG15 Soundtrack]] -- a list of all songs used in the series.
* [http://www.ccmixter.org/ ccMixter]

==Related Sites==

* [[The Children of Anchor Cove]] -- fan created forum devoted to the discussion of the lonelygirl15 project.
* [[YouTube]] -- video-sharing website where the blogs can be found.
* [[Revver]] -- money-making video-sharing website where the Creators first post the blogs.

[[Category:Behind the scenes]]

Talk:Characters/redesign

2007-05-07T18:54:25Z

OwenIsCool:

Ok I started a characters redesign page, but what I put up initially was just to get the ball rolling. Feel free to take it in a totally different direction, since what I did so far is really lame and needs the help of a decent designer [[User:Misty|Misty]] 21:55, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

== header ==

I'd like to see someone make a new header image for this page that looks somethng like the header image for the list of videos. who has the photoshop files with the LG15 artwork, fonts etc. - [[User:Misty|Misty]] 01:43, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
:Yeah, I'm sorry...I did start one a week ago, but Characters somehow didn't catch my attention as much as LoV...anyway, [http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=charsgd4.jpg this is how far I am]. I planned on putting black-on-white "Characters" in Giza 35 (LG15 font) to the left, scaling it down to 50% (or even lower), and coding the part in between as an empty table cell, to make the layout a little liquid.
:But then I made Dawson's Cove instead.
:Any input? Direct rejection?
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:13, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
:::That's a really nice job, Renegade. Daniel's picture is so gangsta, though! Lemme see if I can fish some nice pictures of the three. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]]
::::I kind of like the way daniel looks in the header, but one concern I have is what happens if theres a chage in cast? imean daniel or Jonas could be gone in the next video _[[User:Misty|Misty]] 16:58, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::Well, going by that logic, we couldn't have anybody but Bree in the header. And a Character'''s''' header with only one character on it looks kinda dumb.
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:10, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Here's a little bunch that I got for when we replaced his main page picture.
<gallery>
Image:DanielChar.jpg|Current image
Image:DanielMainSuggest1.JPG|Option 1
Image:DanielMainSuggest2.JPG|Option 2
Image:DanielMainSuggest3.JPG|Option 3
Image:DanielMainSuggest4.JPG|Option 4
</gallery>
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]]
:::::::I like Option 3. But then again I also like the picture of Gangsta Danny B. And I know it's best to use Giza 35, but compare that with Supafly 36. They both rock. Although you should probably use Giza 35, as it is the lonelygirl15 font. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 10:02, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Some edits ==

I just made a lot of edits to this page. First, I redid the way all of the characters were listed. You know the boxes with the Teen Angst Adventure Gang and the ARG characters as well as P. Monkey and Owen Who Daniel Has Mad Love For? I would like it if the boxes were aligned so that they were where that category started. I tried it but it messed it up on the preview so I didn't carry on. Maybe someone with more knowledge in the subject can help? I really like the idea of a Characters redesign. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 19:08, 4 May 2007 (CDT)
:: I put the character boxes in the sections as a start, but they need a lot more work, and we still need a header for the page -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:06, 4 May 2007 (CDT)
::: Thanks, misty! Well, do you know if Renegade is still working on the header? Because I saw the one with Gangsta Danny B, but that's all I saw. I'll try to work on it some. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 09:57, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:::: I haven't heard if he's still working on it. Last night i had an Idea that maybe we should make this look like the List of videos, with the same kind of header and picture montage, what do you think? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:46, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::::: I do like the look of the LoV, but not enough to make the Characters page like that. I think that the Characters page should have a different look so it doesn't get played-out, if you know what I mean. Make it unique. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:22, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::::: Oh, and I think every section (besides Unseen Characters and Ambiguous Mystery People) should have a character box like that. They do need some work, though. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:25, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::Yeah, I just didn't do it yet. If you want to work on it that's great -[[User:Misty|misty]] 13:14, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::::I will as long as I get the answer to one question. A character box that has 3 people is 300 px wide. Does that mean that every person is 100 px wide? And is the pic always 95px? --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 13:24, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::::I just made one for Supporting Characters, but I can't get a longer picture of either Alex or Sarah. Look into that? I think Lucy and Bree's mom are fine there though. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 13:37, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Dead characters ==

I made a new section for dead characters, since they can't really be considered main or even supporting characters if the are dead. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:50, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:Good thinking, Misty. I wouldn't have thought of that. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:22, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:However, I changed the name to "Deceased characters" so as not to be disrespectful. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 13:26, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Bree's Mother ==

I think we should move Bree's mother to guest characters, because she was only seen once and not talked about much either. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:50, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

:True, Misty, true, but I think she should stay where Bree's dad is. Y'know? But now I just found out about the Dead Characters section so nevermind LOL --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:24, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Help wanted ==

We've made alot of progress, but the character boxes still look like shit. We need better pictures, and we need some major design work still. anyone with design skills want to help out? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:10, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
: I've started a new template which could help tidy up this page - [[Template:Characterbox]]. It's an early version and everything can be tweaked from sizes, colours, borders, fonts etc. (so don't be put off if it looks primitive at the moment). The reason this could be useful is that it combines the images and the bullet points into one place. There are only 4 bits of information per character in the redesign page, so I've only put these 4 into the template: Image; Name; Actor; Blurb. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 22:32, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

::thats awsome -[[User:Misty|misty]] 22:54, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Character Boxes and headers ==

I really like the new Character Boxes except for a few things. The name should all be on one line, and
it should say "Played By:" on the line above it.-[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:20, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:I made some changes to the boxes/headers including the above (using "portrayed by" instead of "played by"). I also played around with making the height smaller so that the page length is reduced. Here are 3 options for height. I've left it at Option 2 for now although the blurb did fit in Option 3 as well, when I tried it out.

<center>
{| align=center style="width:725px" border=0 border-color=#2574C4
|-
| <div style=
"float:{{{float|left}}};
border:{{{border-width|{{{border-s|1}}}}}}px solid {{{border-color|{{{1|{{{border-c|{{{id-c|#999}}}}}}}}}}}}; margin:1px;">

{| cellspacing="0" style="width:240px; background:{{{info-background|{{{2|{{{info-c|#EEE}}}}}}}}};"
|-
|rowspan=2 style="width:120px; height:90px; background:{{{logo-background|{{{1|{{{id-c|#DDD}}}}}}}}}; text-align:center; font-size:{{{logo-size|{{{5|{{{id-s|14}}}}}}}}}pt; color:{{{logo-color|{{{id-fc|black}}}}}};" | '''{{{logo|{{{3|{{{id|Opt 1}}}}}}}}}'''
| style="font-size:{{{charactername-size|{{{charactername-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{charactername-color|{{{charactername-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{charactername|{{{4|{{{charactername|''character's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
| style="font-size:{{{actorname-size|{{{actorname-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{actorname-color|{{{actorname-color|black}}}}}};" | Portrayed by:
{{{actorname|{{{4|{{{actorname|''actor's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|colspan=2 align=center style="height:90px;font-size:{{{characterblurb-size|{{{characterblurb-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{characterblurb-color|{{{characterblurb-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{characterblurb|{{{4|{{{characterblurb|''character blurb''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|}
</div>
|<div style=
"float:{{{float|left}}};
border:{{{border-width|{{{border-s|1}}}}}}px solid {{{border-color|{{{1|{{{border-c|{{{id-c|#999}}}}}}}}}}}}; margin:1px;">

{| cellspacing="0" style="width:240px; background:{{{info-background|{{{2|{{{info-c|#EEE}}}}}}}}};"
|-
|rowspan=2 style="width:120px; height:90px; background:{{{logo-background|{{{1|{{{id-c|#DDD}}}}}}}}}; text-align:center; font-size:{{{logo-size|{{{5|{{{id-s|14}}}}}}}}}pt; color:{{{logo-color|{{{id-fc|black}}}}}};" | '''{{{logo|{{{3|{{{id|Opt 2}}}}}}}}}'''
| style="font-size:{{{charactername-size|{{{charactername-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{charactername-color|{{{charactername-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{charactername|{{{4|{{{charactername|''character's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
| style="font-size:{{{actorname-size|{{{actorname-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{actorname-color|{{{actorname-color|black}}}}}};" | Portrayed by:
{{{actorname|{{{4|{{{actorname|''actor's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|colspan=2 align=center style="height:60px;font-size:{{{characterblurb-size|{{{characterblurb-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{characterblurb-color|{{{characterblurb-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{characterblurb|{{{4|{{{characterblurb|''character blurb''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|}
</div>
|<div style=
"float:{{{float|left}}};
border:{{{border-width|{{{border-s|1}}}}}}px solid {{{border-color|{{{1|{{{border-c|{{{id-c|#999}}}}}}}}}}}}; margin:1px;">

{| cellspacing="0" style="width:240px; background:{{{info-background|{{{2|{{{info-c|#EEE}}}}}}}}};"
|-
|rowspan=2 style="width:120px; height:90px; background:{{{logo-background|{{{1|{{{id-c|#DDD}}}}}}}}}; text-align:center; font-size:{{{logo-size|{{{5|{{{id-s|14}}}}}}}}}pt; color:{{{logo-color|{{{id-fc|black}}}}}};" | '''{{{logo|{{{3|{{{id|Opt 3}}}}}}}}}'''
| style="font-size:{{{charactername-size|{{{charactername-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{charactername-color|{{{charactername-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{charactername|{{{4|{{{charactername|''character's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
| style="font-size:{{{actorname-size|{{{actorname-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{actorname-color|{{{actorname-color|black}}}}}};" | Portrayed by:
{{{actorname|{{{4|{{{actorname|''actor's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|colspan=2 align=center style="height:45px;font-size:{{{characterblurb-size|{{{characterblurb-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{characterblurb-color|{{{characterblurb-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{characterblurb|{{{4|{{{characterblurb|''character blurb''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|}
</div>
|-
|}
[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 03:16, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
</center>
::See [[Template:CharacterboxMini]] for use with minor characters. You can fit 4 of these on a row. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:25, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::: I think Guest Characters ands Unseen Characters should not have pictures. We should do a table for them -[[User:Misty|misty]] 09:43, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::: I changes my mind the table looks Bad --[[User:Misty|misty]] 10:47, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::Can you make it so that [[Template:CharacterboxMini]] can have picture and actors be optional? that way unseen characters wil just have the character name and blurb. If there's no pic of a seen character, it just shows: character name, portrayed by: actor's name. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:21, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I'll give it a go tomorrow... although if any template experts want to have a go beforehand, feel free... and just revert it if it doesn't work. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:12, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::: Jonpro Are you interested? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:45, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::Hmm, that's a little out of my league. I'm sure I could learn it, but dealing with graphics and boxes really isn't my thing (although I do like templates....hmmmmmm....). If you don't mind, I'll leave it up to you guys. And besides, PSmith is the bomb at this sort of stuff.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 13:12, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

::::::This page is coming along very nicely! Good job with the boxes, Psmith. I just have a couple of suggestions here
::::::*consider reducing the sizes of the boxes and the font size of the text in them. They look more than big enough on my screen. Is anyone else experiencing that?
::::::*consider making a "pictureless" box for unseen characters. We have 9 unseen characters, and no pictures for any of them (for obvious reasons!). They'd fit nicely in a 3x3 table of some minimini boxes.
::::::*consider leaving the CharacterboxMini with picture required. I know Misty was suggesting you add that functionality, but if you make a minimini box for the unseen characters, you won't need to modify CharacterBoxMini. Just thought that save you time from tinkering with the templates, since we do have pictures for everyone except the unseen characters.
::::::*the blurbs still need a little work, but I can help with that. I can add a few more pictures for now too.
::::::Again, great work, all.
::::::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:05, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::::OwenIsCool, make sure that you use the correct aspect ratio in your pictures. They need to be 4:3 not 1:1, like the one for Bree's mom-[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:44, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::::Another thing that would be great, Psmith, is if all of the Characterboxes were the same size, and all of the CharacterboxMinis were the same size. Bree's dad's box is bigger than Gemma's, and Gemma's isn't a Mini, for obvious reasons. And, what misty said, the pictures need to be 4:3 so that there's only a thin border. And perhaps we can customize the color? I may be going too far here, but those were just suggestions. :) [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:20, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

== Browsers ==
Thanks for the feedback. A quick question: what does this page look like in IE7? I was editing in Firefox where it is nice and neat and the pictures are definitely 4:3. Just tried IE6 and it was rather messy. Is IE7 any better?

{| align=center style="width:720px" border=0 border-color=#2574C4
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Firefox-Characterboxes.jpg|360px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:IE6-Characterboxes.jpg|360px]]
|-
|}[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 19:31, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

Well the mini box has some trouble in safari with longer names like katherine mcPhee. I think you need to make it a little wider. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:59, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:: Wait, this only happens when theres a minumum font size set, I had it set to 9. Without that it works fine in safari -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:07, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::: OK I booted up windows, to see how it looke in IE7, and it looked exactly the same as IE6. Maybe we should just force people to use a W3C standards compliant browser -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:20, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:I think I have a possible fix: make sure eveything in in px not pt. That way it won't be effected by differing font specifications for the different browsers. Also avoid using demoted HTML tags like <nowiki><center> or </nowiki> -[[User:Misty|misty]] 21:01, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

I just want to point out that in smaller resolutions the page is too wide. It causes horizontal scrollbars (which I find unattractive). It's not a HUGE deal, most people these days use wider resolutions, but I did want to point out that it causes a problem in smaller ones. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:43, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:: currently this page displays without horizontal scrolling at 1024X768 the same as the main page. Both scroll at 800X600 -[[User:Misty|misty]] 09:48, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
Ok I Got everything looking decent in IE. i'm now going o see if i can get "portrayed by:" to only show up is their is an actorname. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:44, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

== Final stages ==

Ok, the Page looks almost ready to go live. Is there anything else that needs to be changed/fixed? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:41, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
:Yeah, the page is looking good. The blurbs could use a little work though. Bree's Dad's blurb is "Bree's Dad, murdered by Lucy and a Deacon". I mean, surely there's something more notable we can say about him. He's already in the deceased characters section, so why drive home the point that he's been murdered? Just an example, there are others that should be improved too. Maybe I'll go through them now. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:35, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
::Ok, I edited some of the blurbs. A couple came out too long, but you get the idea. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:54, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Characters/redesign

2007-05-07T18:35:17Z

OwenIsCool: blurbs

Ok I started a characters redesign page, but what I put up initially was just to get the ball rolling. Feel free to take it in a totally different direction, since what I did so far is really lame and needs the help of a decent designer [[User:Misty|Misty]] 21:55, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

== header ==

I'd like to see someone make a new header image for this page that looks somethng like the header image for the list of videos. who has the photoshop files with the LG15 artwork, fonts etc. - [[User:Misty|Misty]] 01:43, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
:Yeah, I'm sorry...I did start one a week ago, but Characters somehow didn't catch my attention as much as LoV...anyway, [http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=charsgd4.jpg this is how far I am]. I planned on putting black-on-white "Characters" in Giza 35 (LG15 font) to the left, scaling it down to 50% (or even lower), and coding the part in between as an empty table cell, to make the layout a little liquid.
:But then I made Dawson's Cove instead.
:Any input? Direct rejection?
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:13, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
:::That's a really nice job, Renegade. Daniel's picture is so gangsta, though! Lemme see if I can fish some nice pictures of the three. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]]
::::I kind of like the way daniel looks in the header, but one concern I have is what happens if theres a chage in cast? imean daniel or Jonas could be gone in the next video _[[User:Misty|Misty]] 16:58, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::Well, going by that logic, we couldn't have anybody but Bree in the header. And a Character'''s''' header with only one character on it looks kinda dumb.
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:10, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Here's a little bunch that I got for when we replaced his main page picture.
<gallery>
Image:DanielChar.jpg|Current image
Image:DanielMainSuggest1.JPG|Option 1
Image:DanielMainSuggest2.JPG|Option 2
Image:DanielMainSuggest3.JPG|Option 3
Image:DanielMainSuggest4.JPG|Option 4
</gallery>
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]]
:::::::I like Option 3. But then again I also like the picture of Gangsta Danny B. And I know it's best to use Giza 35, but compare that with Supafly 36. They both rock. Although you should probably use Giza 35, as it is the lonelygirl15 font. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 10:02, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Some edits ==

I just made a lot of edits to this page. First, I redid the way all of the characters were listed. You know the boxes with the Teen Angst Adventure Gang and the ARG characters as well as P. Monkey and Owen Who Daniel Has Mad Love For? I would like it if the boxes were aligned so that they were where that category started. I tried it but it messed it up on the preview so I didn't carry on. Maybe someone with more knowledge in the subject can help? I really like the idea of a Characters redesign. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 19:08, 4 May 2007 (CDT)
:: I put the character boxes in the sections as a start, but they need a lot more work, and we still need a header for the page -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:06, 4 May 2007 (CDT)
::: Thanks, misty! Well, do you know if Renegade is still working on the header? Because I saw the one with Gangsta Danny B, but that's all I saw. I'll try to work on it some. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 09:57, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:::: I haven't heard if he's still working on it. Last night i had an Idea that maybe we should make this look like the List of videos, with the same kind of header and picture montage, what do you think? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:46, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::::: I do like the look of the LoV, but not enough to make the Characters page like that. I think that the Characters page should have a different look so it doesn't get played-out, if you know what I mean. Make it unique. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:22, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::::: Oh, and I think every section (besides Unseen Characters and Ambiguous Mystery People) should have a character box like that. They do need some work, though. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:25, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::Yeah, I just didn't do it yet. If you want to work on it that's great -[[User:Misty|misty]] 13:14, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::::I will as long as I get the answer to one question. A character box that has 3 people is 300 px wide. Does that mean that every person is 100 px wide? And is the pic always 95px? --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 13:24, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::::I just made one for Supporting Characters, but I can't get a longer picture of either Alex or Sarah. Look into that? I think Lucy and Bree's mom are fine there though. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 13:37, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Dead characters ==

I made a new section for dead characters, since they can't really be considered main or even supporting characters if the are dead. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:50, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:Good thinking, Misty. I wouldn't have thought of that. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:22, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:However, I changed the name to "Deceased characters" so as not to be disrespectful. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 13:26, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Bree's Mother ==

I think we should move Bree's mother to guest characters, because she was only seen once and not talked about much either. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:50, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

:True, Misty, true, but I think she should stay where Bree's dad is. Y'know? But now I just found out about the Dead Characters section so nevermind LOL --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:24, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Help wanted ==

We've made alot of progress, but the character boxes still look like shit. We need better pictures, and we need some major design work still. anyone with design skills want to help out? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:10, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
: I've started a new template which could help tidy up this page - [[Template:Characterbox]]. It's an early version and everything can be tweaked from sizes, colours, borders, fonts etc. (so don't be put off if it looks primitive at the moment). The reason this could be useful is that it combines the images and the bullet points into one place. There are only 4 bits of information per character in the redesign page, so I've only put these 4 into the template: Image; Name; Actor; Blurb. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 22:32, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

::thats awsome -[[User:Misty|misty]] 22:54, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

== Character Boxes and headers ==

I really like the new Character Boxes except for a few things. The name should all be on one line, and
it should say "Played By:" on the line above it.-[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:20, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:I made some changes to the boxes/headers including the above (using "portrayed by" instead of "played by"). I also played around with making the height smaller so that the page length is reduced. Here are 3 options for height. I've left it at Option 2 for now although the blurb did fit in Option 3 as well, when I tried it out.

<center>
{| align=center style="width:725px" border=0 border-color=#2574C4
|-
| <div style=
"float:{{{float|left}}};
border:{{{border-width|{{{border-s|1}}}}}}px solid {{{border-color|{{{1|{{{border-c|{{{id-c|#999}}}}}}}}}}}}; margin:1px;">

{| cellspacing="0" style="width:240px; background:{{{info-background|{{{2|{{{info-c|#EEE}}}}}}}}};"
|-
|rowspan=2 style="width:120px; height:90px; background:{{{logo-background|{{{1|{{{id-c|#DDD}}}}}}}}}; text-align:center; font-size:{{{logo-size|{{{5|{{{id-s|14}}}}}}}}}pt; color:{{{logo-color|{{{id-fc|black}}}}}};" | '''{{{logo|{{{3|{{{id|Opt 1}}}}}}}}}'''
| style="font-size:{{{charactername-size|{{{charactername-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{charactername-color|{{{charactername-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{charactername|{{{4|{{{charactername|''character's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
| style="font-size:{{{actorname-size|{{{actorname-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{actorname-color|{{{actorname-color|black}}}}}};" | Portrayed by:
{{{actorname|{{{4|{{{actorname|''actor's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|colspan=2 align=center style="height:90px;font-size:{{{characterblurb-size|{{{characterblurb-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{characterblurb-color|{{{characterblurb-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{characterblurb|{{{4|{{{characterblurb|''character blurb''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|}
</div>
|<div style=
"float:{{{float|left}}};
border:{{{border-width|{{{border-s|1}}}}}}px solid {{{border-color|{{{1|{{{border-c|{{{id-c|#999}}}}}}}}}}}}; margin:1px;">

{| cellspacing="0" style="width:240px; background:{{{info-background|{{{2|{{{info-c|#EEE}}}}}}}}};"
|-
|rowspan=2 style="width:120px; height:90px; background:{{{logo-background|{{{1|{{{id-c|#DDD}}}}}}}}}; text-align:center; font-size:{{{logo-size|{{{5|{{{id-s|14}}}}}}}}}pt; color:{{{logo-color|{{{id-fc|black}}}}}};" | '''{{{logo|{{{3|{{{id|Opt 2}}}}}}}}}'''
| style="font-size:{{{charactername-size|{{{charactername-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{charactername-color|{{{charactername-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{charactername|{{{4|{{{charactername|''character's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
| style="font-size:{{{actorname-size|{{{actorname-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{actorname-color|{{{actorname-color|black}}}}}};" | Portrayed by:
{{{actorname|{{{4|{{{actorname|''actor's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|colspan=2 align=center style="height:60px;font-size:{{{characterblurb-size|{{{characterblurb-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{characterblurb-color|{{{characterblurb-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{characterblurb|{{{4|{{{characterblurb|''character blurb''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|}
</div>
|<div style=
"float:{{{float|left}}};
border:{{{border-width|{{{border-s|1}}}}}}px solid {{{border-color|{{{1|{{{border-c|{{{id-c|#999}}}}}}}}}}}}; margin:1px;">

{| cellspacing="0" style="width:240px; background:{{{info-background|{{{2|{{{info-c|#EEE}}}}}}}}};"
|-
|rowspan=2 style="width:120px; height:90px; background:{{{logo-background|{{{1|{{{id-c|#DDD}}}}}}}}}; text-align:center; font-size:{{{logo-size|{{{5|{{{id-s|14}}}}}}}}}pt; color:{{{logo-color|{{{id-fc|black}}}}}};" | '''{{{logo|{{{3|{{{id|Opt 3}}}}}}}}}'''
| style="font-size:{{{charactername-size|{{{charactername-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{charactername-color|{{{charactername-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{charactername|{{{4|{{{charactername|''character's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
| style="font-size:{{{actorname-size|{{{actorname-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{actorname-color|{{{actorname-color|black}}}}}};" | Portrayed by:
{{{actorname|{{{4|{{{actorname|''actor's name''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|colspan=2 align=center style="height:45px;font-size:{{{characterblurb-size|{{{characterblurb-size|8}}}}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{characterblurb-color|{{{characterblurb-color|black}}}}}};" | {{{characterblurb|{{{4|{{{characterblurb|''character blurb''}}}}}}}}}
|-
|}
</div>
|-
|}
[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 03:16, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
</center>
::See [[Template:CharacterboxMini]] for use with minor characters. You can fit 4 of these on a row. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:25, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::: I think Guest Characters ands Unseen Characters should not have pictures. We should do a table for them -[[User:Misty|misty]] 09:43, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::: I changes my mind the table looks Bad --[[User:Misty|misty]] 10:47, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::Can you make it so that [[Template:CharacterboxMini]] can have picture and actors be optional? that way unseen characters wil just have the character name and blurb. If there's no pic of a seen character, it just shows: character name, portrayed by: actor's name. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:21, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I'll give it a go tomorrow... although if any template experts want to have a go beforehand, feel free... and just revert it if it doesn't work. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:12, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::: Jonpro Are you interested? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:45, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::Hmm, that's a little out of my league. I'm sure I could learn it, but dealing with graphics and boxes really isn't my thing (although I do like templates....hmmmmmm....). If you don't mind, I'll leave it up to you guys. And besides, PSmith is the bomb at this sort of stuff.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 13:12, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

::::::This page is coming along very nicely! Good job with the boxes, Psmith. I just have a couple of suggestions here
::::::*consider reducing the sizes of the boxes and the font size of the text in them. They look more than big enough on my screen. Is anyone else experiencing that?
::::::*consider making a "pictureless" box for unseen characters. We have 9 unseen characters, and no pictures for any of them (for obvious reasons!). They'd fit nicely in a 3x3 table of some minimini boxes.
::::::*consider leaving the CharacterboxMini with picture required. I know Misty was suggesting you add that functionality, but if you make a minimini box for the unseen characters, you won't need to modify CharacterBoxMini. Just thought that save you time from tinkering with the templates, since we do have pictures for everyone except the unseen characters.
::::::*the blurbs still need a little work, but I can help with that. I can add a few more pictures for now too.
::::::Again, great work, all.
::::::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:05, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::::OwenIsCool, make sure that you use the correct aspect ratio in your pictures. They need to be 4:3 not 1:1, like the one for Bree's mom-[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:44, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::::Another thing that would be great, Psmith, is if all of the Characterboxes were the same size, and all of the CharacterboxMinis were the same size. Bree's dad's box is bigger than Gemma's, and Gemma's isn't a Mini, for obvious reasons. And, what misty said, the pictures need to be 4:3 so that there's only a thin border. And perhaps we can customize the color? I may be going too far here, but those were just suggestions. :) [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:20, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

== Browsers ==
Thanks for the feedback. A quick question: what does this page look like in IE7? I was editing in Firefox where it is nice and neat and the pictures are definitely 4:3. Just tried IE6 and it was rather messy. Is IE7 any better?

{| align=center style="width:720px" border=0 border-color=#2574C4
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Firefox-Characterboxes.jpg|360px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:IE6-Characterboxes.jpg|360px]]
|-
|}[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 19:31, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

Well the mini box has some trouble in safari with longer names like katherine mcPhee. I think you need to make it a little wider. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:59, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:: Wait, this only happens when theres a minumum font size set, I had it set to 9. Without that it works fine in safari -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:07, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::: OK I booted up windows, to see how it looke in IE7, and it looked exactly the same as IE6. Maybe we should just force people to use a W3C standards compliant browser -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:20, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:I think I have a possible fix: make sure eveything in in px not pt. That way it won't be effected by differing font specifications for the different browsers. Also avoid using demoted HTML tags like <nowiki><center> or </nowiki> -[[User:Misty|misty]] 21:01, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

I just want to point out that in smaller resolutions the page is too wide. It causes horizontal scrollbars (which I find unattractive). It's not a HUGE deal, most people these days use wider resolutions, but I did want to point out that it causes a problem in smaller ones. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:43, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:: currently this page displays without horizontal scrolling at 1024X768 the same as the main page. Both scroll at 800X600 -[[User:Misty|misty]] 09:48, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
Ok I Got everything looking decent in IE. i'm now going o see if i can get "portrayed by:" to only show up is their is an actorname. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:44, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

== Final stages ==

Ok, the Page looks almost ready to go live. Is there anything else that needs to be changed/fixed? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:41, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
:Yeah, the page is looking good. The blurbs could use a little work though. Bree's Dad's blurb is "Bree's Dad, murdered by Lucy and a Deacon". I mean, surely there's something more notable we can say about him. He's already in the deceased characters section, so why drive home the point that he's been murdered? Just an example, there are others that should be improved too. Maybe I'll go through them now. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:35, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

Hiding In The Bathroom

2007-05-07T18:30:14Z

OwenIsCool: Reverted edits by 24.232.82.51 (Talk); changed back to last version by LGBot

{{Blog
| name = Hiding In The Bathroom
| number = 0114
| image = Bathroom.jpg
| caption = She's not okay.
| blogger = Bree
| date = January 13th, 2007
| url = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=150 lonelygirl15.com]
| forumid = 5094
| length = 2:03
| description = It's almost impossible to find any privacy around here!
| tags = {{tags|LG15|lonelygirl15|daniel|danielbeast|bathroom|shower|blowdry|hide|jonas|jonastko|sad|dad|order|secrets}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Mesh Flinders and Miles Beckett
| camera =
| vidplay = Glenn Rubenstein and Miles Beckett
| story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, and Glenn Rubenstein
| editor = Kevin Schlanser
| song =
| cast =
{{VidChar|Bree|Jessica Lee Rose}}

| Previous = Foosball
| Next = Bree And I Hooked Up
| PreviousB = My Dad Said...
| NextB = Daniel’s A Liar
}}
'''Hiding In The Bathroom''' is the one hundred fourteenth video in the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]]. [[Bree]] complains about the boys being insensitive to her needs, and reveals more about what her dad told her.

== Transcript ==
'''Bree:''' If I had any place else to go right now... I wouldn't be here. Really, I don't even know why I'm doing this. I don't have anything to say. It's like I'm supposed to constantly reassure them that I'm dealing with things because my situation makes them uncomfortable. All that Daniel and Jonas want to talk about, and they can't believe that I don't. [sic] I sort of reached a breaking point earlier this week, and I thought that they might give me some space, but... not so much. The bathroom is pretty much the only place I can get some privacy, and that's only if the water is running or I'm drying my hair. Otherwise, they're knocking on the door, asking if I'm okay, every two seconds. I'm not okay. This morning he said to me that we're both trying to hurt each other by saying things we don't mean. Daniel really thinks he can dictate how I feel, even retroactively, which is... odd.

If I had the option of not seeing my father killed right in front of me, I'd have taken it. My dad, he told me a lot about the Order, and not a single thing was positive. My dad told me the Order takes these girls who show potential, at birth, and place them in controlled homes. [sic] Apparently, there are thousands of them, but once they hit puberty only a fraction of a percentile develop the characteristics needed for the ceremony. My mom was higher up in the Order. My dad told me that there are different levels and people on the lower levels know very little. My dad is gone, and I don't want to have anything to do with my mom. The more it sinks in, the more I realize that... I don't have anyone, and... I'm completely alone.

==Notes==
* In her previous video [[My Dad Said...]], Bree mentioned that she wouldn't be speaking to her [[Bree's parents#Mother|mother]] anytime soon. This video clarifies that her mother is still alive and has a high rank in [[the Order]]. The negative things [[Bree's parents#Father|Bree's father]] told her about the Order in his last hours probably included mention of wrongdoings by her mother, who knew more about the Order than her husband, and was probably withholding information from both of them.
* While it's clear that Bree was one of the girls that the Order placed in a "controlled home," that phrase strongly evokes the plot of the fan-created series, [[itscassie]]. However, in Cassie's case, she could not have been taken at birth, as she was a classmate of Bree's and Daniel's.

Daniel's bedroom

2007-05-07T18:29:52Z

OwenIsCool: Reverted edits by 208.15.228.32 (Talk); changed back to last version by Jonpro

{{cleanup}}

{{Locations
| name = Daniel's bedroom
| appearances =
*[[Aleister Crowley (video)|Aleister Crowley]]
*[[Order Of Denderah]]
*[[How Could You?]]
*[[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]]
*[[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]]
*[[What Bree's Dad Said...]]
*[[Girl Problems...]]
*[[Daniel Responds]]
}}
We first see [[Daniel]]'s bedroom in [[Daniel Responds]]. Although this video is shot with a relatively tight shot, it clearly features a bicycle in the background. The bicycle appears to be resting on a pile of books, but there is insufficient detail to identify them. He appears to be laying against his bed.

In [[Girl Problems...]] we see another view of Daniels room. We clearly see a bookcase with several ornaments and several books, including the famous 1986 Batman graphic novel, ''The Dark Knight Returns'', by Frank Miller and ''The Zombie Survival Guide: Complete Protection from the Living Dead'' by Max Brooks.

In [[What Bree's Dad Said...]] we do not get much additional information about Daniel's bedroom. Here we see Daniel laying on what appears to be either a bed or a couch.

A clearer view of Daniels bedroom is seen in [[Order Of Denderah]]. In the shot we see a guitar case, and a stylish table light can be seen in the background.

In the [[Home Alone]] video from [[OpAphid]] we get a completely different view of Daniel's bedroom. The room's layout is easier to see in this shot. The bookshelf, bed and guitar are clearly shown. This shot is taken while Bree and Daniel are homeless and on the run.

<gallery>
Image: Daniel_apt.jpg|Daniel Responds
Image: Gp_daniel.jpg|Girl Problems
Image:Wbds daniel.jpg|What Bree's Dad Said...
Image:Ood daniel.jpg|Order of Denderah
Image:Ha daniel.jpg|OpAphid's Security Camera
</gallery>

File:0186-Jules and Bree.jpg

2007-05-07T07:42:23Z

OwenIsCool: Reverted edits by 201.244.100.102 (Talk); changed back to last version by Jonpro

[[Category:Images of Bree]]
[[Category:Images of Jules]]

Talk:Lonelygirl15 relationships

2007-05-06T23:49:45Z

OwenIsCool: another Tachy email

== Heterosexual Bias ==

This article shows a very strong heterosexual bias. What about Taylor and Bree, Sarah and Bree, Jonas and Daniel, etc. There no's evidence that Bree and Taylor aren't lesbians, (or Jules for that matter). And I think it's more likely than not, that Sarah is bisexual. Personally I'd like to see some lesbian relationships, in this series. As a young lesbian, who hates all the bullshit butch, goth, and emo stereotypes; I'd like to see some young, pretty, and emotionally balanced role models in the media. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:21, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

: This page, like all the wiki, should reflect what the series ''is'' not what we'd ''like it to be''. While Daniel and Jonas could certainly be added, there's simply not been much homosexual tension between characters otherwise. I definitely agree with your point that there should be more non-stereotyped homosexual characters in the media. But as with all other issues, the LGPedia is simply not the place to advocate for changes in the series. But by all means, add any relationships where you can honestly document hints of sexual tension. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:17, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

::Yeah, there have clearly been tounge-in-cheek references to a Daniel and Jonas relationship. Jackson Davis joked about it a bit when he was on Mixed Media. But that's about it. You can't start making crap up like "tachyon and bree's dad" and "homeless watcher and random girl" without this all falling apart. Misty, you should watch brotherhood2.com's vlog from yesterday, john green talks about censorship of a young adult book for apparent references to a lesbian relationship. lamo censors. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 17:06, 3 May 2007 (CDT) ps. great page idea.

:guys, i think we should add non-sexual relationships. i mean jonas' and daniel's relationship is a big part of the series, but all it says here is "they might be gay." there's more to relationships than whather or not they're sleeping with each other! and i realize the page was meant to track sexual relationships, but i think it could be much more interesting if it tracked the ups and downs of relationships in general.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 00:26, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

::I worry that if we try to track EVERY relationship ever on the series it will just get complicated and lose it's value. I mean, okay Bree has interacted with: Daniel, Jonas, Lucy, Watchers, Deacons, her Parents, Cassie, Andrea, Paul, Taylor, Jules, Sarah, Gemma, Gemma's Dog, Gemma's Parents, OpAphid, Tachyon, Brother, Alex, etc. I mean, to track every one of those relationships is INSANE. And then.. we'd have to do every other character. So Jonas has come in contact with Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Watchers, Lucy, Deacons, Alex, his parents, etc etc. Just think how long this page would be... and I worry that no one would even be able to follow it if it got the point where EVERY relationship was tracked. I agree that more should be added (and I believe has been since you posted this comment) about Daniel and Jonas, but really, I think this page should stick to romantic relationships, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 15:17, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

== Great work ==

I love this page already. This is something that people always talk about, and I'm glad we have a page on it now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:18, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:Yay, I'm so glad! There's so much content to go through, so it's not nearly done. But I'm glad that it will be helpful/useful!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:27, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:Just to update, I have finished this page up to the current blog. The only relationship I am missing is Gemma and Brother's. If someone can fill that in for me, the article will be done! Yay! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:35, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
::Added Gemma and Brother. Actually, there's a little bit of sexual tension between Tachyon and Brother, it's mentioned somewhere in the Tachyon email archive. If someone feels like combing through, you might find it!. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:10, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I added a section for Brother, with Gemma and Tachyon. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:34, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Er, I noticed you'd added a lot of relationships, but didn't cite blogs or references for any of them. Are you making this up? Or do you actually have proof of these sexual tensions? Because I never got anything between Daniel and Gemma... muchless Daniel and ''Tachyon''. If you can genuinely argue these points, please let me know, though. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:43, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::I remember back in the [[Cracked The File]] days that there was some talk in the forums that Daniel should hook up with Tachy because she'd be better for him than Bree. Any feelings on Daniel's side were just speculation, but in some of the Tachyon emails (in the archive on the forum) show that she thinks Daniel is quite a cutie. Daniel+Gemma though... yeah, I have to say that's pure conjecture. I'll see if I can dig up those Tachy emails. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:21, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::Here are the links to the [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251 Tachyon email archive thread] and the [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5010 Brother email archive thread]. Here's an example of a Tachyon email from that thread:
::::::Sparkybennett writes: ''Shheeesh. Being on the run must make you cranky. Daniel and Bree are all cranky and now you. So if you need help with anything , my offer still stands. Maybe getting a message to Daniel for you? See ya, Sparky.''
::::::On 11/30/06, Tachyon responds: ''look, they're cranky because there are some supply and demand issues and let's just say that little miss purity isn't exactly giving up the pleasure snuggles to Danny Boy. she's a good kid, but a kid nonetheless. he needs a more mature woman who can handle his complex emotions and fluctuating hormones. and let me tell you, then i wouldn't be so cranky. damn there are times i really hate this lifestyle. xoxox, T''
::::::Sadly, a lot of those posts have had the Tachyon responses removed from them, probably by mods during the Op fallout. But that Daniel one is still there! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:38, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::::Ok, and here's a Tachy email that refers to Brother: ''Are you another one of his vengeful ex's? I keep him telling him to stop hooking up with you psychos. But you know how it goes: Crazy in bed, crazy out of bed--and believe me, I speak from experience. Excuse me, I gotta punch him in the arm 'cause that must mean he's crushing on me. xoxox, T. PS. I'll leave Op a message telling her you said 'hi.' I'm going to be sending one of your kind on a permanent vacation shortly.''
:::::::That's all I got for now. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:49, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

== Main Page? ==

I don't know if it's even "kosher" for me to suggest this, since I did most of the work on the page, but would anyone object to me adding a link here from the main page? Personally, I think it's relevant because it tracks a huge aspect of the storyline and would be something that new members could find useful. But maybe I'm biased? So I def. want to get opinions on this before I go ahead and do it though.. !--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:02, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:We might be able to add this to the main page, or if not, perhaps make it a featured article at some point. We should make sure this page links to other relevant articles and videos throughout, and I'd also like to add pictures of the different "couples" (for lack of a better word). Just all in the name of keeping things tidy and also presentable. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:22, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
::Well, I added links to every video I referenced in the progression of the relationships. I can work on getting pictures for the couples. Although there will definately be some we just won't be able to get pictures of.. like Gemma's relationships.. we never actually see them. If it's not a problem to only have pictures of certain couples, I can def. start going through and finding some :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:28, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Lonelygirl15 relationships

2007-05-06T23:38:39Z

OwenIsCool:

== Heterosexual Bias ==

This article shows a very strong heterosexual bias. What about Taylor and Bree, Sarah and Bree, Jonas and Daniel, etc. There no's evidence that Bree and Taylor aren't lesbians, (or Jules for that matter). And I think it's more likely than not, that Sarah is bisexual. Personally I'd like to see some lesbian relationships, in this series. As a young lesbian, who hates all the bullshit butch, goth, and emo stereotypes; I'd like to see some young, pretty, and emotionally balanced role models in the media. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:21, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

: This page, like all the wiki, should reflect what the series ''is'' not what we'd ''like it to be''. While Daniel and Jonas could certainly be added, there's simply not been much homosexual tension between characters otherwise. I definitely agree with your point that there should be more non-stereotyped homosexual characters in the media. But as with all other issues, the LGPedia is simply not the place to advocate for changes in the series. But by all means, add any relationships where you can honestly document hints of sexual tension. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:17, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

::Yeah, there have clearly been tounge-in-cheek references to a Daniel and Jonas relationship. Jackson Davis joked about it a bit when he was on Mixed Media. But that's about it. You can't start making crap up like "tachyon and bree's dad" and "homeless watcher and random girl" without this all falling apart. Misty, you should watch brotherhood2.com's vlog from yesterday, john green talks about censorship of a young adult book for apparent references to a lesbian relationship. lamo censors. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 17:06, 3 May 2007 (CDT) ps. great page idea.

:guys, i think we should add non-sexual relationships. i mean jonas' and daniel's relationship is a big part of the series, but all it says here is "they might be gay." there's more to relationships than whather or not they're sleeping with each other! and i realize the page was meant to track sexual relationships, but i think it could be much more interesting if it tracked the ups and downs of relationships in general.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 00:26, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

::I worry that if we try to track EVERY relationship ever on the series it will just get complicated and lose it's value. I mean, okay Bree has interacted with: Daniel, Jonas, Lucy, Watchers, Deacons, her Parents, Cassie, Andrea, Paul, Taylor, Jules, Sarah, Gemma, Gemma's Dog, Gemma's Parents, OpAphid, Tachyon, Brother, Alex, etc. I mean, to track every one of those relationships is INSANE. And then.. we'd have to do every other character. So Jonas has come in contact with Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Watchers, Lucy, Deacons, Alex, his parents, etc etc. Just think how long this page would be... and I worry that no one would even be able to follow it if it got the point where EVERY relationship was tracked. I agree that more should be added (and I believe has been since you posted this comment) about Daniel and Jonas, but really, I think this page should stick to romantic relationships, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 15:17, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

== Great work ==

I love this page already. This is something that people always talk about, and I'm glad we have a page on it now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:18, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:Yay, I'm so glad! There's so much content to go through, so it's not nearly done. But I'm glad that it will be helpful/useful!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:27, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:Just to update, I have finished this page up to the current blog. The only relationship I am missing is Gemma and Brother's. If someone can fill that in for me, the article will be done! Yay! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:35, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
::Added Gemma and Brother. Actually, there's a little bit of sexual tension between Tachyon and Brother, it's mentioned somewhere in the Tachyon email archive. If someone feels like combing through, you might find it!. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:10, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I added a section for Brother, with Gemma and Tachyon. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:34, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Er, I noticed you'd added a lot of relationships, but didn't cite blogs or references for any of them. Are you making this up? Or do you actually have proof of these sexual tensions? Because I never got anything between Daniel and Gemma... muchless Daniel and ''Tachyon''. If you can genuinely argue these points, please let me know, though. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:43, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::I remember back in the [[Cracked The File]] days that there was some talk in the forums that Daniel should hook up with Tachy because she'd be better for him than Bree. Any feelings on Daniel's side were just speculation, but in some of the Tachyon emails (in the archive on the forum) show that she thinks Daniel is quite a cutie. Daniel+Gemma though... yeah, I have to say that's pure conjecture. I'll see if I can dig up those Tachy emails. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:21, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::Here are the links to the [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251 Tachyon email archive thread] and the [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5010 Brother email archive thread]. Here's an example of a Tachyon email from that thread:
::::::Sparkybennett writes: ''Shheeesh. Being on the run must make you cranky. Daniel and Bree are all cranky and now you. So if you need help with anything , my offer still stands. Maybe getting a message to Daniel for you? See ya, Sparky.''
::::::On 11/30/06, Tachyon responds: ''look, they're cranky because there are some supply and demand issues and let's just say that little miss purity isn't exactly giving up the pleasure snuggles to Danny Boy. she's a good kid, but a kid nonetheless. he needs a more mature woman who can handle his complex emotions and fluctuating hormones. and let me tell you, then i wouldn't be so cranky. damn there are times i really hate this lifestyle. xoxox, T''
::::::Sadly, a lot of those posts have had the Tachyon responses removed from them, probably by mods during the Op fallout. But that Daniel one is still there! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:38, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

== Main Page? ==

I don't know if it's even "kosher" for me to suggest this, since I did most of the work on the page, but would anyone object to me adding a link here from the main page? Personally, I think it's relevant because it tracks a huge aspect of the storyline and would be something that new members could find useful. But maybe I'm biased? So I def. want to get opinions on this before I go ahead and do it though.. !--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:02, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:We might be able to add this to the main page, or if not, perhaps make it a featured article at some point. We should make sure this page links to other relevant articles and videos throughout, and I'd also like to add pictures of the different "couples" (for lack of a better word). Just all in the name of keeping things tidy and also presentable. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:22, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
::Well, I added links to every video I referenced in the progression of the relationships. I can work on getting pictures for the couples. Although there will definately be some we just won't be able to get pictures of.. like Gemma's relationships.. we never actually see them. If it's not a problem to only have pictures of certain couples, I can def. start going through and finding some :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:28, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Lonelygirl15 relationships

2007-05-06T23:21:06Z

OwenIsCool:

== Heterosexual Bias ==

This article shows a very strong heterosexual bias. What about Taylor and Bree, Sarah and Bree, Jonas and Daniel, etc. There no's evidence that Bree and Taylor aren't lesbians, (or Jules for that matter). And I think it's more likely than not, that Sarah is bisexual. Personally I'd like to see some lesbian relationships, in this series. As a young lesbian, who hates all the bullshit butch, goth, and emo stereotypes; I'd like to see some young, pretty, and emotionally balanced role models in the media. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:21, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

: This page, like all the wiki, should reflect what the series ''is'' not what we'd ''like it to be''. While Daniel and Jonas could certainly be added, there's simply not been much homosexual tension between characters otherwise. I definitely agree with your point that there should be more non-stereotyped homosexual characters in the media. But as with all other issues, the LGPedia is simply not the place to advocate for changes in the series. But by all means, add any relationships where you can honestly document hints of sexual tension. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:17, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

::Yeah, there have clearly been tounge-in-cheek references to a Daniel and Jonas relationship. Jackson Davis joked about it a bit when he was on Mixed Media. But that's about it. You can't start making crap up like "tachyon and bree's dad" and "homeless watcher and random girl" without this all falling apart. Misty, you should watch brotherhood2.com's vlog from yesterday, john green talks about censorship of a young adult book for apparent references to a lesbian relationship. lamo censors. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 17:06, 3 May 2007 (CDT) ps. great page idea.

:guys, i think we should add non-sexual relationships. i mean jonas' and daniel's relationship is a big part of the series, but all it says here is "they might be gay." there's more to relationships than whather or not they're sleeping with each other! and i realize the page was meant to track sexual relationships, but i think it could be much more interesting if it tracked the ups and downs of relationships in general.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 00:26, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

::I worry that if we try to track EVERY relationship ever on the series it will just get complicated and lose it's value. I mean, okay Bree has interacted with: Daniel, Jonas, Lucy, Watchers, Deacons, her Parents, Cassie, Andrea, Paul, Taylor, Jules, Sarah, Gemma, Gemma's Dog, Gemma's Parents, OpAphid, Tachyon, Brother, Alex, etc. I mean, to track every one of those relationships is INSANE. And then.. we'd have to do every other character. So Jonas has come in contact with Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Watchers, Lucy, Deacons, Alex, his parents, etc etc. Just think how long this page would be... and I worry that no one would even be able to follow it if it got the point where EVERY relationship was tracked. I agree that more should be added (and I believe has been since you posted this comment) about Daniel and Jonas, but really, I think this page should stick to romantic relationships, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 15:17, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

== Great work ==

I love this page already. This is something that people always talk about, and I'm glad we have a page on it now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:18, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:Yay, I'm so glad! There's so much content to go through, so it's not nearly done. But I'm glad that it will be helpful/useful!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:27, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:Just to update, I have finished this page up to the current blog. The only relationship I am missing is Gemma and Brother's. If someone can fill that in for me, the article will be done! Yay! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:35, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
::Added Gemma and Brother. Actually, there's a little bit of sexual tension between Tachyon and Brother, it's mentioned somewhere in the Tachyon email archive. If someone feels like combing through, you might find it!. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:10, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I added a section for Brother, with Gemma and Tachyon. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:34, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Er, I noticed you'd added a lot of relationships, but didn't cite blogs or references for any of them. Are you making this up? Or do you actually have proof of these sexual tensions? Because I never got anything between Daniel and Gemma... muchless Daniel and ''Tachyon''. If you can genuinely argue these points, please let me know, though. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:43, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::I remember back in the [[Cracked The File]] days that there was some talk in the forums that Daniel should hook up with Tachy because she'd be better for him than Bree. Any feelings on Daniel's side were just speculation, but in some of the Tachyon emails (in the archive on the forum) show that she thinks Daniel is quite a cutie. Daniel+Gemma though... yeah, I have to say that's pure conjecture. I'll see if I can dig up those Tachy emails. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:21, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

== Main Page? ==

I don't know if it's even "kosher" for me to suggest this, since I did most of the work on the page, but would anyone object to me adding a link here from the main page? Personally, I think it's relevant because it tracks a huge aspect of the storyline and would be something that new members could find useful. But maybe I'm biased? So I def. want to get opinions on this before I go ahead and do it though.. !--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:02, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:We might be able to add this to the main page, or if not, perhaps make it a featured article at some point. We should make sure this page links to other relevant articles and videos throughout, and I'd also like to add pictures of the different "couples" (for lack of a better word). Just all in the name of keeping things tidy and also presentable. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:22, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
::Well, I added links to every video I referenced in the progression of the relationships. I can work on getting pictures for the couples. Although there will definately be some we just won't be able to get pictures of.. like Gemma's relationships.. we never actually see them. If it's not a problem to only have pictures of certain couples, I can def. start going through and finding some :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:28, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

File:Bree's mom.JPG

2007-05-06T19:22:24Z

OwenIsCool: Picture of Bree's mom for the Characters page. Category:Images of Bree's parents

Picture of Bree's mom for the [[Characters]] page.

[[Category:Images of Bree's parents]]

File:Daniel's puppy.JPG

2007-05-06T19:13:56Z

OwenIsCool: Image of Daniel's puppy cropped for the Characters page.

Image of Daniel's puppy cropped for the [[Characters]] page.

Talk:Characters/redesign

2007-05-06T19:05:52Z

OwenIsCool: very nice

User talk:Chelseyrl

2007-05-06T18:56:31Z

OwenIsCool: about revert

*If I leave something on your talk page, I would like a reply back on mine if at all possible. It is just easier for me. Thanks!

== Welcome ==

Welcome to the LGPedia, Chelsey! Glad to have more help working on cleanup. FYI, we have a [[LGPedia:General style guide|style guide]] that will help clarify a few issues of importance to cleanup efforts. I like to draw newcomers' attention particularly to the short section on possessive forms, as that seems to often cause contention. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 11:59, 8 March 2007 (CST)

== Beach Bum? ==

I reverted [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Sorry_Jonas&diff=27105&oldid=27064 your edit] to [[Sorry Jonas]]. Do you have some info about the next video that the rest of us don't have?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:07, 8 March 2007 (CST)

:My apologies, I forgot to check Revver for a new video. It's odd that it's up there but not on lonelygirl15.com.... As far as responding, I don't know if there's a set rule, but I find the conversation easier to follow if it's all on one page. Then again, it's easier for a person to see that they have a message when it's on their own talk page. In other words, it doesn't really matter to me, so either way is fine. Again, sorry about the revert and happy editing!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:18, 8 March 2007 (CST)

==Thanks==
Hi Chelsey, 
I've noticed you've been helping to keep us up to date by adding new videos and updating each characters last appearance. There's a lot of maintenance to be done every time we get a video, isn't there? Thanks for your contributions! If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. =) 

[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:49, 7 April 2007 (CDT)

== Character pages ==

Hey Chelsey, 
Those are great points. The character pages really need more updates than we give them. What you mentioned about Bree's page should be changed, and the other character pages actually need work too (Daniel's is especially behind!). I did some work on the Jonas article but didn't get very far. I have to admit it's challenging to organize the information about these people after everything that's happened to them, and with the haphazard, random ways we find out about their pasts. Bree's page is probably the best character page right now. 
Lol, ok, that was kind of divergent. What I meant to say is "yep, go right ahead". If you're up to it, feel free to give those other character pages a little TLC, too! Thanks for asking; always here to help. 
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:31, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

== The Perfect Beach ==

Is it loading now? I can't find it on Revver or LG15 main site. Where are you seeing this vid? [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 22:32, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

:Thanks. Just needed to look a little harder. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 22:54, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

== Icee ==

I reverted, your change to orange slurpee, because even though your version is technically more correct. I wrote that Paragraph to be humorous. I was using Orange slurpee like a Proper name not like a discriptive noun so addin an doesn't really work. also even though we don't actually know that Bree's Icee was orange, we need to assume it is, for the joke to work. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:15, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

==Revert==
Hey Chelsey, 
When people write "reverted ____" or "rv _____" usually they're referring to "undoing" something. Like if someone blanks content from a page, or adds nonsense or spam, another editor will undo the change and write "rv spam". There's a quick, easy way to get rid of bad edits, outlined in [[LGPedia:Reverting vandalism]]. I hope that answers you question! If it doesn't, just lemme know. 
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:56, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

The Ceremony

2007-05-05T12:04:40Z

OwenIsCool: Reverted edits by 221.190.22.14 (Talk); changed back to last version by Psichopate

==Introduction==
[[A Change In My Life]] is the first video in which [[Bree]] mentions the ceremony that she has been selected to perform. Her videos prior to this one focus on her life as a homeschooler, her platonic friendship with [[Daniel]] and the friction between them and her strict [[Bree's parents]]. Following this video, the mysterious ceremony becomes one of the major points of interest of the [[Lonelygirl15|series]] and triggers a suspenseful chain of events.

==Preparation==
[[Bree]] explains that she must undergo rigorous preparation for the ceremony. She sticks to a special [[Bree's diet|diet]], takes [[Iron pills|iron supplements]], receives [[Bree's injections|injections]] of an undisclosed substance, learns the rare language of [[Enochian]] and practices exercises and walking steps with her new helper [[Lucy]]. The reasons for these various aspects of her preparation are unclear. Her [[Bree's injections|injections]] and [[Iron pills|pills]] in particular have sparked curiosity in many viewers.

==Details of the ceremony==
Judging from [[Bree|Bree's]] accounts of the ceremony, it is held rarely. She and her [[Bree's parents|parents]] consider it a great honor that she was selected to participate in it. Her [[Bree's parents|parents]] themselves were not invited to attend, although they do greatly encourage her participation. Not even [[Bree]] knows exactly what the ceremony will be like. She imagines she will have to do the walking steps and use her knowledge of [[Enochian]], but other than that she does not know what to expect.

==The Staged Ceremony==
On October 12th, 2006 a ceremony was held and [[Bree]] posted a video soon thereafter happily stating that it had been a success. [[Daniel]] had followed her to the site of the ceremony and filmed what he could (see [[The Ceremony]]). It was held outdoors at night in a woodsy area and little could be seen clearly besides some dimly lit hooded figures, among them Bree. A few days later Daniel senses that something is amiss, and eventually Bree confesses that this ceremony was not the real one, and that she had been persuaded to lie to him about it. [[The Order]] had taken the opportunity to photograph Daniel spying on them, and Bree is remorseful when she finds out.

==Suspicious Aspects==
[[Daniel]] was the first character to voice concern about the ceremony. He was highly suspicious about the information they were withholding from [[Bree]] and her [[Bree's parents|parents]]. [[Bree|Bree's]] blind trust in her [[Bree's parents|parents]] and [[the Order]] long prevented her from questioning the darker aspects of the ceremony. For instance, no one explained to Bree the significance of any of her preparations. She did not know the contents of the [[Bree's injections|injections]], and her own father wouldn't tell her. Her parents were not allowed to attend despite their daughter's participation and despite their rank in the Order (particularly her [[Bree's parents#Mother|mother]]).

The staged ceremony and the pictures secretly taken of [[Daniel]] were the last straw in getting [[Bree]] and her [[Bree's parents|parents]] to question the motives and morals of [[the Order]]. [[Bree's parents]] asked the [[Deacons]] to excuse her from participating, but they were unsuccessful. The [[Deacons]] insisted that they would not have sufficient time to prepare another person, as the date of the ceremony was approaching. A few days later, Bree saw her [[Bree's parents|parents]] get taken away by [[Lucy]] and one of the [[Deacon|Deacons]]. She ran away with Daniel and is still on the run months later. It is unclear whether the ceremony has been held yet. The [[Deacons]] had led everyone to believe that the ceremony was very soon, so it's possible that the date has passed and they had to engage a replacement. Perhaps the ceremony was not time-sensitive at all and they still need Bree for it. Nothing is known for certain.

Another mysterious aspect of the ceremony is the selection process. [[Bree]] is honored from the start that she was chosen for the ceremony, but never explains how this happened. She eventually learns from her [[Bree's parents#Father|father]] that [[the Order]] selects a pool of young girls who show "potential" at birth. These children are placed in what they call "protected homes" with adoptive parents from within [[the Order]]. When they reach puberty, they single out one to participate. Their criteria has not been revealed, nor their methods for moving the children to "protected homes". One would like to think they are legally adopted, but given [[the Order|the Order's]] track record of reprehensible methods, it's not unlikely that these babies were forcibly taken or kidnapped from their biological parents.

==Other notable details==
*In the video [[Bree The Cookie Monster]], as they are rating cookie recipes, [[Purple Monkey|P. Monkey]] holds up the scores "10," "12," and "06." This fueled speculation that Oct. 12th, 2006 would be the date of the ceremony, as it is also the date of [[Aleister Crowley]]'s birthday, known as Crowleymas.
*In her video [[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]], [[Bree]] reveals that it will indeed take place on October 12.
*In the video [[I Completed The Ceremony]] [[Bree]] tells us a little about the ceremony. She has a [[bandage]] on her shoulder again, which in prior videos signaled that she had received an [[Bree's injections|injection]]. This seemed suspicious to many viewers and to [[Daniel]], since she should no longer need shots if the ceremony has indeed been completed. Their suspicions proved to be on the mark, as Bree eventually confesses in [[I Lied To Daniel]].
*There was some confusion among viewers that this ceremony is equivalent or related to the [[Fall Equinox]] ritual that [[Bree]] mentions in one of her videos. They are two distinct rituals. The [[Fall Equinox]] is one of Bree's favorites, and one in which her parents are allowed to participate.

==Influences==
Given the religious undertones of the series, it is not unlikely that the idea for the ceremony was in part inspired by real-life religious rituals. Some rituals and beliefs that might have influenced the ideas for the ceremony are

===Body of Light===
According to [[Crowley]], the {{wikipedia|Body_of_Light|Body of Light}} is not only used for astral travel--but in fact is the storehouse of all experiences. (From Magick Without Tears, Ch. 81):

In [[Aleister Crowley#Magick|Magick]], on the contrary, one passes through the veil of the exterior world (which, as in Yoga, but in another sense, becomes "unreal" by comparison as one passes beyond) one creates a subtle body (instrument is a better term) called the body of Light; this one develops and controls; ''It gains new powers as one progresses, usually by means of what is called "initiation:"'' finally, one carries on almost one's whole life in this [[Body of Light]], and achieves in its own way the mastery of the Universe.

===Gnostic Mass===
[[Aleister Crowley]] wrote The Gnostic Mass—technically called Liber XV or "Book 15"—in 1913 while travelling in Moscow. In many ways it is similar in structure to the Mass of the Roman Catholic Church. However, the comparison ends there, as the Gnostic Mass is a celebration of the principles of [[Thelema]]. The ceremony calls for five officers: a priest, a priestess, a deacon, and two acolytes, called “children”. The end of the ritual culminates in the consummation of the Eucharist, which is a glass of wine and the host, called a [[Cakes of Light|Cake of Light]], after which the congregate proclaims “There is no part of me that is not of the gods!”

It is the central rite of [[Ordo Templi Orientis]] and its ecclesiastical arm, Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica.

==External Links==
*Wikipedia article on {{wikipedia|Body_of_Light|Body of Light}}
*Wikipedia article on {{wikipedia|Liber_XV,_The_Gnostic_Mass|The Gnostic Mass}}
*Hermetic.com article on [http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/gnostic_mass.htm The Gnostic Mass]

{{Bree's religion}}

[[Category:Theories and speculation]]

Category:Notable details

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The following pages are about notable details that have emerged from the [[The Story So Far...|lonelygirl15 story]].

Puppy

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:''This is a page for speculation concerning the strange tag on the video [[Proving Science Wrong!]] This tag also appeared on the video [[Truth Or Dare]], where it referred to a [[Daniel's puppy|stuffed character]].
"A puppy is a juvenile dog, generally less than one year of age. The term is sometimes abbreviated to pup, and in that form is used for the young of some other animals, such as the wolf." - {{wikipedia|Puppy|Wikipedia}}

==Video Where [[Strange Tag]] Appears==
[[Proving Science Wrong!]]

==Speculation==
None thusfar?

{{tag|strange=yes}}

We Found Julia!!!

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{{Blog
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| number = 0186
| image = 0186-Jules and Bree.jpg
| caption = I know you're going to do the ceremony.
| blogger = Bree
| date = May 4th, 2007
| url = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=246 lonelygirl15.com]
| forumid = 9811
| length = 1:38
| description = Julia updated her blog and from that we were able to determine her location. We went to talk to her . . .
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| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
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| editor = Kevin Schlanser
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{{VidChar|Jonas|Jackson Davis}}
{{VidChar|Taylor|Becki Kregoski}}
{{VidChar|Jules|}}

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'''We Found Julia!!!''' is the one hundred eighty-sixth video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==
(''Bree and Taylor in Taylor's bedroom. Taylor sitting on her bed playing with a soccer ball. Bree in the forefront'')

'''Bree:''' So... Our spirits were a little low, but we've had a break in the case. The last house we went to... yeah, definitely not Julia's.

'''Taylor:''' Yeah... My bad.

'''Bree:''' So we've spent the better half of the day on Julia's Myspace page and we've cracked the code.

'''Taylor:''' She is going to be meeting with her tutor at 4 pm - this afternoon.

'''Bree:''' I'm gonna go there and... I don't know... talk to her and try and convince her that I'm not crazy, but what she believes in is. And I know how hard it's gonna be, 'cause if someone had done this to me, I would have thought they were crazy too.

(''Cut to Bree and Jonas standing by a tree.'')

'''Jonas:''' All right, so we are at Julia's tutor appointment at this school and um... We're gonna try to catch up with her and Bree's gonna-- Bree's gonna try to talk to her. Nervous?

'''Bree:''' Yeah.

'''Jonas:''' Want me to go with you?

'''Bree:''' I dunno.

'''Jonas:''' No, I mean, we don't know what this girl's capable of. She could have flames that shoot out of her eyeballs or something crazy.

'''Bree:''' (''laughing'') Oh great, now I'm freaked out.

(''Cut to a shot of Jules walking along a sidewalk. She pauses to hitch up her backpack.'')

'''Jonas:''' That's-- That's her. I think that's her. Is that her?

'''Bree:''' Yeah that's her.

'''Jonas:''' Well go! What do we do? What do we? Let's go! Let's go! Go, go, go, go, go!

(''Bree runs up to Julia by herself and Jonas remains at a distance to film'')

'''Bree:''' Julia! - I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to scare you.

'''Julia:''' I don't know you.

'''Bree:''' I know, I know, but I'm not going to hurt you, I'm not going to hurt you...

'''Jonas:''' She looks a little freaked out.

'''Bree:''' Look, I know that you're going to do the Ceremony and I know that you think it's the right thing to do, but it's not-

'''Julia:''' Don't!

'''Bree:''' -Okay, no, please just listen to me!

'''Jonas:''' Listen to her.

'''Julia:''' Don't touch me.

(''Julia tries to walk away but Bree grabs her arm and pulls her back'')

'''Julia:''' Don't!

'''Bree:''' No Julia, listen okay. I'm not crazy, okay? Look! Just look!

(''Julia shoves Bree away from her, drops her blue folder, and runs.'')

'''Jonas:''' ...the hell?

'''Bree:''' Julia!

'''Jonas:''' What the hell was that, what'd she say?

'''Bree:''' She doesn't wanna have it, I said that she shouldn't do the Ceremony, and she just said "I don't know you, leave me alone."

'''Jonas:''' Great!

'''Bree:''' I know, I can't, I couldn't do anything more, she was just, she was scared.

'''Jonas:''' Let's just get out, Let's just get out of here.

'''Bree:''' Okay.

==Notes==
* This is the first time [[Julia]] is seen in an official video, confirming her as canon. However, it doesn't confirm that she's the [[New Girl]].
* When Julia pushes Bree away from her she throws or drops the blue folder she is carrying which may or may not contain important information.
* When Bree and Jonas are talking, we can hear what may be construed to be a helicopter in the background. It could just be traffic nearby or a plane flying overhead.
* Some fans have speculated that a different actress is playing Jules.

LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony

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[[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Your friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] enjoy an unseasonably warm {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} afternoon on [[Lucy's Balcony]]. Not pictured: [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]].]]

Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&action=edit&section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.

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For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].

==Bottom indexes==
We all like bottom indexes, right? At [[template talk:Bree's religion]] we have a prototype sitting around for the religion pages. My only concern with the Bree's religion index is that I don't understand what "related videos" means. Do we want to implement a bottom index for other types of pages as well? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:I &hearts; bottom indexes. Last time I tampered with the one for Bree's religion, I took out the "Related videos" thing altogether. I think we should leave it that way unless someone proposes a good way of determining what a "Related video" is and how that would be useful. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:02, 27 February 2007 (CST)
::In addition to a "thumbs up" on the bottom indexes, I'd like to say that while I think naming related videos is a good idea, it probably should be done in the body of the page. Rather than vaguely saying "Video X had some info on subject Y," which is what the "related video" concept meant to me, the article should outright say, "In video X, Bree said that her parents were always talking about subject Y." --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 10:00, 27 February 2007 (CST)
:::Agreed. If it's related, then the article should mention it. I can see how we could use it with location pages -- you wouldn't call it related, but you would say the location appears in: [[Motel Pool]], [[Breakfast In Bed]], etc. Let's go ahead and implement the religion bottom index. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:19, 27 February 2007 (CST)
::::hehe, thanks for adding the semicolon to my &hearts; and nice work putting the template back on the religion-related pages. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:10, 27 February 2007 (CST)
In thinking about a bottom index for locations I tried to create a [[Template_talk:Locations#Some thoughts on locations|list of all the locations.]] Does anyone have input on the two proposed lists? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:37, 2 March 2007 (CST)

== Puzzles ==

I'd like to always include puzzles in the "Recent Developments" column. Good idea? It could be a way to increase visibility like OIC was talking about at [[Talk:Miss Me? puzzle]]. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:11, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:Good idea! I second. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:02, 27 February 2007 (CST)

i third, i know im not a admin, but i contrbute as much as i can. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 01:22, 27 February 2007 (CST)

::I like the idea, but just a thought: If a new puzzle comes up within the context of the latest video, the puzzle should be listed below the latest video just so the video is at the top of the list. For instance, the latest puzzle is fine, but it we had listed the "semiotics" puzzle, it should have been below [[Jonas Sucks]]. Just my opinion. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 10:03, 27 February 2007 (CST)

:::OIC also suggested somewhere that we could use [[Template:Init]] with puzzles and possibly all events. I'm wondering though -- puzzles don't lend themselves well to dates; they're not really events. Should we create a separate main page template for puzzles?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:16, 28 February 2007 (CST)

::::We'd probably be ok just using the date that the puzzle was "posted" (via video, message, wherever it started). And even though the template is called "event", it looked fine when it was used for the puzzle. Maybe we could just add the Init and perhaps link to the forum thread, and keep them optional? If that's complicating things too much, we could just make a separate template. It shouldn't be too difficult since they're similar. I just care about adding Init, and perhaps the forum thread; it doesn't matter so much to me how we get there. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:51, 8 March 2007 (CST)

== Vloggers ==

I've been cleaning up wanted pages and noticed a lot of them are the bloggers Bree mentioned on her early videos. Since they were influences on Bree and also used to gain popularity, I think they should have some sort of joint article. I'd like to start it, but not sure if the already existing "[[Vlog]]" or perhaps a new "Vlogging influences of lonelygirl15" or some similar name would be a better place for it?

{{User:Phuncknasty/sig}} 17:00, 28 February 2007 (CST)
:Taken care of, more or less. I should have done that a long time ago. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 17:51, 28 February 2007 (CST)

::Well, first, I think it's a good idea for an article, Phuncknasty. I could help out. [[Thewinekone]] and [[paytotheorderofofof2]] had real articles attached, btw. But, more importantly, I think we need to figure out what we're doing with tags. A lot of the wanted pages are tags. We don't really seem to have a clear policy on where tags should direct or even what videos should have tags. Phuncknasty redirected [[Lonesome]] and [[October]] to [[LonesomeOctober]] but since they were tags on a Tachyon video, OIC suggested this might not be a good redirect. But since we don't really have a clear policy, it's causing some confusion and ''lots'' of broken pages.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:59, 28 February 2007 (CST)

:::I agree that the tags are sometimes confusing. Maybe we should ask Jonpro because it looks to me like he's the tag master. He has "the vision." I think I'll start work on a vloggers article at [[Vlogging influences of lonelygirl15]], and if you guys want to move it, that's totally fine with me. And I also had another good (I think!) idea... how about a page on Jonas's movie references. I saw the [[four-letter words]] page and I thought it'd be cool to have a similar list with short entries of all the times Jonas mentions a movie. Who knows, maybe it adds up to something or maybe it will just be a fun list. But for now, I'm going to start doing research for a vlogging article.

:::{{User:Phuncknasty/sig}} 10:05, 1 March 2007 (CST)

::::Thanks, [[User:Phuncknasty|Phuncknasty]]. I think the current policy for official LG15 videos is to put them in [[:Category:YouTube tags]] and redirect them there if it does not have a page or there is no more logical place to redirect. I was thinking that perhaps instead of this each YouTube tag page could contain a list of which videos have that tag. Doing this manually would be a pain, though, and it would have to be updated for each new video. If there was a way to do it with a template or something that would be ideal. If not, I think the current set-up is fine as well.

::::For other (non-canon) videos, I see no reason for a category containing their tags, but I see the problem with the broken links. I think the obvious way to fix this is to only have a tag link if a page of that name already exists. The video [[What's in the Box/Bree & Daniel Update - NBR 3]] is a good example, as it links to pages like [[Bree]] and [[danielbeast]] since they already exist, but not "charlie" and "horus" since they don't. If a useful redirect of page could be made of either one of those, then the tag would be changed to link there.

::::As far as where to redirect them, I think using disambiguation techniques is the best idea. If a word is clearly ambiguous, make a disambig page for it. Otherwise, simply add a disambig line at the top of the page to link to what the user might be looking for. If a template or something could be made to list the videos that contain a certain tag, then users "searching by tag" so to speak could look at that and find the video they're looking for. Sorry about the long post. Hope this helps.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:27, 1 March 2007 (CST)

As I hinted at above, I don't think the tags on unofficial videos deserve links in general. If there is a page that's pertinent to the tag, then sure, link there. Sometimes, it might not be a link to what the tags says; for instance, the "house" tag on [[Where Is Jonas? - NBR 6]] should probably be linked to [[Jonas's house]] if linked at all, instead of to [[house]], where it currently links. On the other hand, the "squrrel" link probably ought to be dropped. That's my view on the matter of fan video tag linking. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 17:04, 1 March 2007 (CST)

:I agree with Brucker on "un-linking" those fanvid tags that don't pertain to any particular article. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:53, 8 March 2007 (CST)

== Recent vandalism ==

I've noticed that there have been a number of vandalism edits from various IP addresses that simply remove a large portion of content from a page. Here are some examples: [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page/redesign&diff=prev&oldid=34890 1] [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Gemma&diff=prev&oldid=34276 2] [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Aleister_Crowley&diff=prev&oldid=34270 3] [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Facility_J&diff=prev&oldid=34264 4] [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Aleister_Crowley&diff=prev&oldid=34282 5] [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Member_directory&diff=prev&oldid=34374 6]. Anyway, I think everyone gets the idea. Does anyone know what could be the cause of this? It's not like all the vandalism is coming from one IP address so we can't just block it.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 00:04, 12 April 2007 (CDT)
:Well, really the only way to deal with vandalism is to revert it when it happens and to block offenders. However, I do notice a similarity between all these addresses. They're all anonymous--a WhoIs lookup provides the country, but is unable to process any abuse reports. These addresses are originating from Mexico and Asia, from ISP's that don't release user information. This is just a shot in the dark, but it could all be the same person coming back through proxies. If this is the case, they should get tired of the molasses-slow internet speed that they must be putting up with, and it will all stop when they do. Then again, OIC is not psychic... this is for entertainment purposes only. ;) [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:02, 12 April 2007 (CDT)
::Ok, well this latest streak was weird. Several IPs and a couple of nonsense account names each blanked ''one'' page, but not completely. I banned each for a month since they might not be connected, but I think they are. Should we go back and ban them indefinitely? I'm not sure what's up with the recent wave... might be a vandalbot. I haven't had the change to look up the IPs. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 08:32, 18 April 2007 (CDT)

==Spam wave==
Yikes, any thoughts on how to stop something like that from happening again? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:06, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
:And here I was about to ask you that. :-x
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:15, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
::As far as I know there's not even a way to temporarily stop IP addresses from making edits. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:18, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
::We could look into [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#Where_do_I_get_the_spam_blacklist_from_and_how_do_I_install_it.3F this]. I think we'd need to get TWJaniak to come back and install it because we can't get into the MediaWiki configuration settings. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:29, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Hm, that might be helpful... so what that blacklist does is prevent edits containing those domains from being done? I guess BK could install it, he's the new Buka, isn't he? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:36, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

::::Sounds like a good idea to me. I've encountered this editing Wikipedia when I tried to add a link that was apparently on the blacklist. It just gives you a message saying that the link is on the blacklist and you'll have to remove it before saving.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:41, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::Blacklisting links will be halpful, but I don't expect that it will completly solve the problem, my guess it that this was an attack from the fish taco guy, and he will just comeup with a new form of vandalism, I think he's more focused on vandalizing , than getting clicks. Also I checked the location of those IP Adresses using [http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm | Geobytes IP locator] and they were comming from all over the world, so this guy has a major proxy network or know some other way to spoof IPs -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:57, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
::::::I think you're grossly overestimating that guy, misty. Using the web through proxies is ''really'' easy to do, he wouldn't have his own "proxy network" or anything like that. This spam was definitely from someone else's spambot, but I guess it doesn't matter who it was anyway, just whether we can find an easy way to control it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:05, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
::::::: well if you think it was a bot, then maybe [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha CAPTCHA] verification will help, I think wikipedia uses something like that. And even though everyone disagrees, I still think logins should be required -[[User:Misty|misty]] 13:23, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
 
I moved yesterday's discussion into its own thread. I think we had even more spam this last wave. I was at the computer until very late (studying for finals) and I kept checking periodically. I reverted one spam thingie, but went to sleep soon thereafter and then it started for real! The same thing happened the night before! grrrr! Anyway, I think the blacklisting isn't going to work so well. If you look at the links posted by the spammer, the domains are harmless! There's Harvard (harvard.edu), Stanford (stanford.edu), John Hopkins (jhu.edu), U South Florida (usf.edu), Central Michigan U (cmich.edu), plus a few random domains, like forumhosting.org, jubiiblog.de, blogdiario.com, blogspot.com and more universities. Interestingly, if you click them, you do get redirected to a Samsung ringtone page like the link label said, it just gets routed through the Harvard Computing Society's website or whatever the REAL link is. 
Instead of blacklisting, I think what Misty suggested (CAPTCHA) will be more effective for us. That, or find another MediaWiki add-on that lets us limit the amount of external links posted in one edit. I can handle the inconvenience of posting one at a time. In the meantime, perhaps we should limit anonymous IPs from editing. Less time wasted blocking them, more time to figure out what to do about it. At this point, spammers make more edits than other well-meaning anonymous users. I'm just suggesting it as a temporary thing while we figure out how to control this intelligently. Whether it's simple to implement, I don't know. 
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:06, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

:Some (hopefully) helpful links. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features WikiMedia anti-spam features] covers CAPTCHA, blacklisting, proxy blocking, and lockdown (blocking anonymous users). I think proxy blocking might be a good option. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit MediaWiki ConfirmEdit extension] (captcha), asks you to enter verification codes when inserting external links. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:17, 29 April 2007 (CDT)
:'''PS''': I went through all the edits, Jonpro, and it looks like you got them all. *whew* another morning at the wiki...

:: I can't figure out how to install these. Can anyone make sense of these extensions? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:55, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

:::Hmm, [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit Confirm Edit] seems like it would be a good idea to me. By default it uses Captcha on new accounts and external links and that won't be too big of a hassle. As for installing it, the instructions don't look too difficult, but I don't know much about that sort of thing so I'm kind of lost. I'm assuming we would need one of the site administrators or something to install it. The way I see it, the sooner we get this done the better. This spammer is getting really annoying.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:15, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

:::: I'll PM Broken Kid and see if he has the access. If we add captcha and the spam blacklist that should shut the spam down... if it's a human spammer we're just going to have to hope he gets bored. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:27, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

:::::Well, I've read through the mediawiki manual and I understand how to install it. It looks very simple. And there's no reason we can't go through and block almost all those sites he lists. On real wikipedia you wouldn't want to block links to Harvard.edu -- but there's no reason we need them here. We just need someone with FTP access to the site. Hopefully BK will get back to me soon and we'll be able to get it up later tonight. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 18:50, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

:::::: Mmmkay well... I still haven't heard from BK. I hate to leave things like this overnight, but I don't know what else to do... I'll e-mail Miles tomorrow if I haven't yet heard from BK. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:10, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

::::::: How about that temporary (overnight) lockdown? I think all you need to do is use the User Rights permission stuff. I don't have access to that though, so I don't know how it works. Maybe it's not as easy as I think it is. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:21, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

:::::::: We can't do the temporary lockdown either. It's an installation setting. The only thing I can do with regards to user rights is make people admins or bots. We could make the LGBot an admin and then have it go through and protect ''everything'' (or at least, I assume the pythonwikipediabots can do that). But, the spammer has the ability to create new pages, so it's not a very useful fix. We can't protect every ''possible'' page. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:25, 30 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::::::ah ok. we'll just have to hold out until someone with installation privileges comes to the rescue. we can wait, the spam is controllable, it's just annoying as heck. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:46, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

Le sigh. Just when we thought the spamming was easing off... Maybe it kicks in on the weekends when less people are editing. I blocked a few spammers throughout the night, it looks like if you "nip it in the bud", it stops, waits, and then tries again like 30min. later. Otherwise it just keeps going. rawr, want lgpedia anti-spambot extensions. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:05, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

== Performance issues ==
I've noticed that the use of alot of templates or included page, can have a big effect on the loading of pages. This can really be seen on list of videos page. does anyone know something that can be be done to improve the performance. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:31, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

:Well, I don't think it's templates or transclusion that's causing the problems on [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos]]. No matter how it's organized, with templates or not, the page is simply enormous -- more than 7 times bigger than the Main Page. Other than dumping the videxpand template or really reducing the number of images (or shrinking the size of the actual image files?) there's little we can do. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:31, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

==Fate of AphidPedia?==
Now that OpAphid is no longer, official. should there still be an AphidPedia section or should it be downgraded to Catagory:OpAphid and removed from the left menu? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:32, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

:We can still keep the OpAphid page, I'm sure. We have pages for other non-canon/non-official ARGs. I don't really know the structure of all the OpAphid pages, but we ''might'' want to remove the link from the left menu. I'm not really sure on that. The pages definitely need to be updated to indicate that OpAphid is no longer the official ARG if that hasn't been done yet.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:43, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

: Oh, I missed this conversation. I just came here to ask the same question. I don't think we should delete OpAphid from the Wiki, but we should be sure to note that it is no longer official. And I think we should take it off the sidebar, although if anyone has a good reason it should stay I would listen. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:25, 17 April 2007 (CDT) 11:15, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
:: I wasn't suggesting getting rid of OPAphid, I was just wondering if it was still apropriate to call it AphidPedia, or if that should just be merged into the OpAphid article and not be so prominent. When it was the official ARG it made sense for it to have it's own main section, but now it's just another part of the of the extended Breniverse. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 10:31, 18 April 2007 (CDT)

:::I guess my vote would be to keep the AphidPedia -- it's still a good index for the material -- but move it off the sidebar and probably off the Main Page too. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:19, 18 April 2007 (CDT)

::::I went ahead and removed it from the sidebar and the main page. I didn't make any mention of the scandal, because I think it's best to just move on. We ''really'' need some new stuff to add to the main page. Maybe links to pages about all these new girls?? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:55, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

==Excluding YouTube tags from Random pages ==
Is it posible to Exclude YouTube tags from the Random pages link,i noticed that half the time when i click on random pages i get a Youtube tag. I think it would be more interesting if it only took you to real articles. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:31, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

:Oh oh I'm with you there! If it's possible, my vote on this would be YES! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:23, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

::Unfortunately I don't think there's any way to do this. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:59, 27 April 2007 (CDT)
::: How about if we get rid of all the YouTube tag pages or combine them into one page -[[User:Misty|misty]] 16:04, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

::::I've been thinking about this recently and it does seem kind of silly to have a bunch of pages whose only content is the "tag" box. One possible solution is to make the "tag" pages with an associated page redirect pages, but instead of replacing <nowiki>{{tag|page=PAGENAME}}</nowiki> with <nowiki>#REDIRECT PAGENAME</nowiki>, we could incorporate the redirect in the {{tl|tag}} template. This way, the box would still be on the pages, but you would only see it if you click on the "(Redirected from PAGENAME)" link after being redirected. That would save everyone from having to click on the associated page link, and I think it would keep [[:Category:YouTube tags]] working fine. I'm not sure if it would fix the "Random Page" problem, but it might. Hopefully this makes sense. Any thoughts?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:22, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

:::::Okay, I'm going to go ahead and try this out. We'll see if it works.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:07, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

::::::Well, it didn't work so I changed it back to how it was. Does anyone know if what I'm trying to do is possible?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:10, 29 April 2007 (CDT)
::::::: Ok I found a couple things that can help http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Special_page and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Custom_namespaces. What you need to do, is put all the youtube tags in a custom namespace -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:11, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

:::::::: That's way more trouble than it's worth. We'd have to redirect every tag in every video with a piped link <nowiki>[[Tag:Purple|purple]]</nowiki>. Plus adding a custom namespace isn't something that we can just snap our fingers and do. We have to get FTP access from Miles and then reinstall the wiki. Totally not worth it just so people don't have to hit the random page button twice. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:03, 30 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::::::Ok I think this will work without creating a new namespace. I did a little experimenting, by clicking random page dozens of times. I noticed that anything in subpage doesn't come up (e.g. List_of_Lonelygirl15_videos/redesign). So I think if we were to move all the tags to a subpage of YouTube_tags (e.g. people to YouTube_tags/people) , and modified the template to use the new location, then it would work. The bot could move all the pages, (but I think it can't leave a redirect in the old location for this to work). -[[User:Misty|misty]] 14:32, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::::::: Actually, the random page button will get subpages too. Less than 1 percent of our pages are subs, so you'd expect to get one once out of every hundred random pages. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:23, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::::::: Well something needs to be done, I've gotten 15 youtube tags in a row. Why do we have Youtube tags anyway? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 21:40, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

At this point, I'm wondering if we should just do away with most of the YouTube tag stuff. I think that we might be able to apply our policy for fan videos to official videos. What I mean is that we could only make a tag a link if a page already exists. The way I see it, the point of a link is to find out more information about whatever you're clicking on. If I'm on the page for [[Quitting The Sauce]] and I click on [[sleep]], it will take me to a page that is esentially useless to me. I could click on "what links here" but even that doesn't seem very useful. Also, if it's a page like [[Bree]], it won't be easy to sort out the videos in that list anyway. We also run into problems like [[help]] which should redirect to [[Help:Contents]] but is also a tag. Then of course there's the "random page" problem that started this discussion. Anyway, enough with the problems. Here's what I'm proposing:
#Change most (if not all) of the tag pages with an "associated page" to redirect pages. (The bot can handle this rather easily.)
#Delete the tag pages that contain only <nowiki>{{tag}}</nowiki> and remove links to those pages on the video pages.
#Keep [[:Category:YouTube tags]] (perhaps rename it), but have it include only tags that have pages, such as [[Bree]], [[Drunk]], etc.
#Keep [[Template:tag]], but perhaps modify it to fit with the new structure.
#Keep all of the [[:Category:Strange tags|strange tag]] pages that still seem worthy of a page, and delete or redirect the rest.

With this system, if I'm on the page for [[Quitting The Sauce]], I'll notice that [[sleep]] is "grayed out", so I won't have to waste the time clicking on it hoping to find more information. If I click on [[alcohol]], however, I'll be taken straight to the [[drunk]] page where I can read about something alcohol related, which was the whole point I clicked on the link. As far as the amount of work involved to do all this, the hardest part would be #2, which will probably take a lot of time. I should be able to get the bot to help out somewhat, but I'm not sure how much. Anyway, what does everyone think of this idea? Is it worth it? Improvements and suggestions are also much appreciated.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:27, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

:I like this new approach very much, Jonpro. We started keeping a record of YouTube tags in the earlier days when it was thought that there would be special significance behind them, but over time it became clear that it was kind of a waste of time. Most things that need to be linked to will be mentioned in the notes anyway. If a certain tag is so irrelevant that it doesn't even have a related page, we shouldn't bother giving it a link. I almost want to just completely do away with tags, but that would be too extreme and I like your approach better. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:01, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:: I don' think it's too extreme, but I also like the new approach -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:19, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

: Okay, perhaps it is just me, but I happen to really ''like'' being able to see which videos have used which tags, and etc. I do get that the tag pages are causing a lot of problems though, and I agree that it wouldn't be horrible if they were gone :P Can people other than admins delete pages? As always, I'm happy to help out in any way I can, so let me know if you need deleting help (as you said this would be the most troublesome part). --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:22, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:: Actually it wouldn't be too difficult to delete the pages, if the bot can scan the pages for the <nowiki>{{delete|youtube tag}}</nowiki> and delete the pages it's found on. Then the rest of us can just put the delete template on the tag pages without needing Admin privileges. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:55, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

:::[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], sorry but only admins can delete pages. And yes, the bot does have a "delete" script which would actually use my account to delete the pages. The simplest way it works is just by deleting all the pages in a category. And I'm thinking now that [[Template:tag]] doesn't seem very useful anyway, so maybe that can go too. The one thing the bot won't be able to do is tell the difference between a page that contains ''only'' <nowiki>{{tag}}</nowiki> on it and a page which has other content too. So, here's a sequence of steps that I think should work:
:::#Have the bot change all the pages with <nowiki>{{tag|page=PAGENAME}}</nowiki> to <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[PAGENAME]]</nowiki>.
:::#Remove all instances of <nowiki>{{tag}}</nowiki> from pages that have other content as well (e.g. [[Bree]], [[Daniel]], [[Lonelygirl15]]). This would include [[:Category:Strange tags|strange tag]] pages.
:::#At this point only pages that have only <nowiki>{{tag}}</nowiki> on them will be left in [[:Category:YouTube tags]]. So, I can run the "delete" script on pages in that category.
:::Steps 1 and 2 can really be done simultaneously, but step 3 can't be done until steps 1 and 2 are complete. Sound like a plan? I can run the script to do the redirects tonight if this sounds good.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:33, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

== Distribution for LonelyGirl ==

I'm interested in talking with someone at LGPedia about additional distribution of Lonely Girl. Can someone please advise me who to contact? I can be reached at lannick@licensinganimal.com Thanks for your help.

:Here at the LGPedia we're all just volunteers. We can't help you unfortunately. You need to contact "The Creators" of the series. You can send them a private message at [http://www.lg15.com/forum the forum]. Good luck! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:17, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

User:Tigerlilylynn

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I've sort of fallen into the role of OpAphid page creator (even though I suck at code).

I'm a grad student so things aren't here quite as quick as both you and I would like but bear with me.

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Thanksgiving

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{{Blog
| name = Thanksgiving
| number = 0083
| image = Thanksgiving.JPG
| caption = Bree shows off the cranberry sauce of her "traditional Thanksgiving meal".
| blogger = Bree
| date = November 24th, 2006
| url = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=118 lonelygirl15.com]
| forumid = 3292
| length = 2:53
| description = Daniel and I were fighting and didn't do anything for Thanksgiving. So, I decided to take Jonas's advice and work things out with Daniel.
| tags = [[LG15]] [[lonelygirl15]] [[daniel]] [[danielbeast]] [[thanksgiving#Transcript{{!}}thanksgiving]] [[chips]] [[cranberry]] [[juice]] [[key]] [[blanket]] [[turkey]] [[yum]]


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Mesh Flinders and Miles Beckett
| camera = Miles Beckett
| vidplay = Mesh Flinders and Vanessa Roveto
| story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, Amanda Goodfried, and Vanessa Roveto
| editor = Kevin Schlanser
| song = You Are The Reason by [http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/clayne-potemkin/ C. Layne]


| cast =
{{VidChar|Bree|Jessica Lee Rose}}
{{VidChar|Daniel|Yousef Abu-Taleb}}|
| actor3 =


| Previous = Date With P. Monkey
| Next = Ransacked!
}}
'''Thanksgiving ''' is the eighty-third video in the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==
(''Bree is sitting in the passenger seat of Daniel's car.'')

'''Bree:''' Well, I feel silly. I thought about what you said, [[Jonas]], and I realized I've been taking Daniel for granted. I don't know where my parents are and, sometimes I... (''Bree sighs'') ...I just feel so helpless that I feel like it's easier to pretend like everything is okay. Thank you for reminding me what's important. (''Purple Monkey is now in the shot, and Bree talks to her.'') Hey, why didn't you remind me of what was important? Bad monkey. (''Bree kisses P. Monkey and lowers her.'') So I thought...that we could get the Danielbeast back into his natural element, and do something he really loves: hiking! And besides, since this week is Thanksgiving, I should probably be giving thanks, not the silent treatment. I bought all the makings of a Thanksgiving feast. (''Bree, holding the camera, is walking behind Daniel, who is holding a backpack, [[Thanksgiving hike|on a path]].'') Tired yet? I can hear you puffing.

(''Bree beings puffing loudly. Daniel laughs.'')

'''Daniel:''' Are you tired ye--

'''Bree:''' I need to put you on a leash, it says. It's the rules of the park. (''The camera points to the park sign.'') Dogs on a leash. What about Danielbeasts? (''Bree is now at a bulletin board. She reads a bulletin.'') "Should you litter? Why not?" Aluminum cans last eighty to a hundred years. (''Bree looks shocked. The camera moves further down the trail.'') Daniel. (''Bree checks her pockets.'') I can't find my room key.

'''Daniel:''' Maybe you left it in the room.

'''Bree:''' Maybe. (''Further down the path...'') Here. (''Bree points.'') This looks good.

(''The camera turns to Daniel.'')

'''Daniel:''' Okay.

(''Bree starts unpacking the backpack. Daniel leans in to help, and Bree pushes him away.'')

'''Bree:''' No.

'''Daniel:''' What? Why not?

'''Bree:''' This is my treat. You should be--

'''Daniel:''' I don't mind helping!

'''Bree:''' No, sit. (''Bree is now sitting, the camera pointed at her.'') I tried to create a realisitic Thanksgiving feast. (''Bree holds up a bag of turkey jerky.'') This is the turkey. (''Daniel laughs. Bree holds up a bag of potato chips.'') This is the mashed potatoes. (''Bree holds up a bag of trail mix.'') And this is the stuffing.

'''Daniel:''' That's totally my favorite.

(''Bree holds up two bottles of cranberry juice.'')

'''Bree:''' This is the... cranberry sauce. Umkay, so, it's not exactly what the Native Americans and pilgrims ate, but... (''The camera turns to Daniel, who is eating some jerky.'') ...keep in mind we're feeding a Danielbeast. (''Bree laughs. Daniel gives a thumbs up.'')

'''Daniel:''' It's good. (''Bree sticks a piece of jerky in her mouth.'') Mashed potatoes!

(''Daniel munches on chips.'')

'''Bree:''' (''almost unintelligible through a mouthful of food'') You gotta crunch 'em first. (''They both crunch some chips in their hands.'')

(''You Are The Reason by C. Layne plays as shots of Bree and Daniel eating, and Bree throwing food into Daniel's mouth is shown. Cut to far away, the camera zooms in on Bree, who is sitting on a rock in the distance, reading a note.'')

'''Daniel:''' We were having such a good time, then Bree got all sad suddenly. I guess she just misses her parents. (''The camera turns to Daniel.'') We got a lot of great footage, so...I'm gonna get us to an Internet cafe, edit it, and we can get it right up. It's gonna be cool. (''The camera turns back to Bree.'') Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

== Notes ==
* The note Bree is reading is probably the note her parents left her with the money when they were taken away by the [[Deacon (individual)|Deacon]], as this would make the most sense. However, this cannot be confirmed.
* This is the first video where Bree acknowledges Jonas, and the video is a response to Jonas's [[Happy Thanksgiving]], both of which were strong signs that Jonas was an official character in the series.
* Bree's losing her room key is important, as in the next video we find that their hotel room has been ransacked.
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Hi Brucker, I made a user box for HSA. It is on my user page. I am not sure if it should be displayed here. Feel free to check it out, see if I did it correctly and I'll be happy to share it. Thanks. [[User:Ogog|Ogog]] 21:17, 8 February 2007 (CST)
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File:Bree 131.JPG

2007-05-04T08:49:34Z

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A Watcher

2007-05-04T08:49:09Z

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{{Blog
| name = A Watcher
| number = 0077
| image = GemmaPMonkey.gif
| caption = Full name: P. "Gemma" Monkey
| blogger = Gemma
| date = November 17th, 2006
| url = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=110 lonelygirl15.com]
| forumid = 3049
| length = 1:02
| description = I think you are being followed by a Watcher.
| tags = [[LG15]] [[lonelygirl15]] [[gemmers19]] [[bree]] [[daniel]] [[danielbeast]] [[watcher]] [[:Image:WatcherSymbol.gif|symbol]] [[hand]] [[black]] [[suit]] [[orange]] [[supermarket]]


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Mesh Flinders and Miles Beckett
| camera =
| vidplay = Vanessa Roveto
| story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, Amanda Goodfried, and Vanessa Roveto
| editor = Miles Beckett
| song =
| cast =
{{VidChar|Gemma|Jackie Jandrell}}


| Previous = Breakfast In Bed
| Next = Fleeing The Watcher
| PreviousB = Someone's Following You
| NextB = An Awkward Silence
| PreviousC = My Name Is Jonas
| NextC =
}}
'''A Watcher''' is the seventy-seventh video in the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]]. [[Gemma]] warns [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] that she has more evidence that they are being followed.

==Transcript==
'''Gemma:''' Bree, you know how I thought you were being followed? Now I'm worried. I want to show you something from your last video. (''cut to ctill picture of man in black suit from the previous video'') So, I went to the library. They have this, uh, special section where they have the ancient texts. I had to use a pseudonym when they asked me to sign in. I used "P. Monkey". Bree, you're not gonna like what I uncovered. I think that dark smudge is a symbol. I found a picture in one of the books that looks a lot like it. The picture in the book showed a human body, and a lot of different symbols in different locations. The symbol I drew was located here. (''Gemma points to the back of her hand'') (''cut to still picture again, with the hand highlighted'') [[Image:WatcherSymbol.gif|100px|thumb|left|Watcher symbol]] Apparently, the symbol is used (''cut to sketch of the symbol'') to identify someone who's called a "[[Watcher]]". (''cut back to Gemma'') They operate a bit like an order of knights, and I don't mean like the Knights of the Round Table. It's confusing, but I think [[Watcher|The Watchers]] are a modern version of them or part of [[the Order]]. I'm not sure if any of this helps. Keep me updated, and I'll see if I can dig up some more information. Take care of yourself and extend my apologies to P. Monkey. If the library officials come knocking at his door, I don't know anything about it.

==Notes==
[[Image:NBR2.jpg|thumb|left|Nikki Bower finds a mysterious box under a bridge in Topanga Canyon.]]
*In [[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]], posted almost two weeks before this video, investigative journalist [[Nikki Bower]] found a box near the ceremony site, which had the same symbol etched onto the cover.
*It is hard to believe that Gemma could see a symbol in the microscopic smudge that appeared in the video.
* In Europe, knighthood is a symbolic title of honor, so it follows that the Watchers must have a high rank in the Order and probably are entrusted with important tasks and sensitive information. When Gemma says that they are not like the Knights of the Round Table, she must be trying to warn Bree that the Watchers are not chivalrous. Rather, they are likely quite mysterious and treacherous.

Men Are From Mars

2007-05-04T08:46:40Z

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{{Blog
| name = Men Are From Mars
| number = 0138
| image = Menarefrommars.JPG
| caption = The TRUE face of Determination; how inspiring
| blogger = Bree
| date = February 22nd, 2007
| url = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=192 lonelygirl15.com]
| forumid = 6743
| description = I'm sick of Jonas and Daniel acting like children, so I decided to make them work through their problems. Well, at least I tried.
| length = 2:51
| tags = [[LG15]] [[lonelygirl15]] [[daniel]] [[danielbeast]] [[jonas]] [[jonastko]] [[fight]] [[make]] [[up]] [[bandaid]] [[argue]] [[joke]] [[weird]] [[lame]]


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Miles Beckett
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| vidplay = Mesh Flinders and Miles Beckett
| story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, and Glenn Rubenstein
| editor = Kevin Schlanser
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{{VidChar|Daniel|Yousef Abu-Taleb}}
{{VidChar|Jonas|Jackson Davis}}

| Previous = Jonas Sucks
| Next = Cracked The File

| PreviousB = Yellow Snow
| NextB = How Dumb Am I?
| PreviousC =
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'''Men Are From Mars''' is the one hundred thirty-eighth video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==
(''Bree is sitting alone by a window'')

'''Bree:''' So, since Daniel and Jonas are not speaking to each other, I've been doing all the hard work by myself. Setting up trip lines and things like that. Bunch of cool stuff [[Tachyon]] taught me. Basically, Daniel doesn't like the fact that Jonas and I went hiking together, and Jonas doesn't like the fact that Daniel doesn't like the fact that we went hiking together. Anyway, I had some down time and I was trying to figure out why it's so hard for Daniel and Jonas to...just be friends, and deal with their feelings in a constructive way. So...I went online and I found this really interesting article. It's called the band-aid approach. Basically, when a problem arises, a man wants to deal with it as quickly as possible, whereas a woman wants to sort of talk it through and and look at it from every angle. The problem with the man's approach is...it tends to not really solve anything. You know, it's just like, they sweep the hard stuff under the table and it keeps coming up again. In light of recent developments, I've made a list of questions that I hope will bring out the boys' feelings. Now I've just gotta go ''ask'' them.

(''cut to Jonas reclining in a chair'')

'''Jonas:''' No way. I don't want to talk about this, right? I just want to watch this movie.

'''Bree:''' So, what bothers you most about Daniel?

'''Jonas:''' (''rolls his eyes'') Nothing.

'''Bree:''' Mmm hmm.

'''Jonas:''' Love him. Like a brother.

'''Bree:''' Hm?

'''Jonas:''' Mmm hmm. (''Jonas points towards the TV.'')

(''Cut to Daniel sitting on a bed reading "The Clue in the Diary" with earbuds in'')

'''Bree:''' Any luck there captain?

'''Daniel:''' Shhh! I'm trying to concentrate.

(''Cut to Bree by the window alone.'')

'''Bree:''' Tsk. (''Shakes head'') Boys.

(''Cut back to Daniel reading'')

'''Bree:''' Raybolt did it.

'''Daniel:''' (''Looks up and takes out earbuds'') That's messed up, Bree.

'''Bree:''' I'm sorry. I didn't realize how in to it you were. Well, now you can help me with my interview. What annoys you most about Jonas?

'''Daniel:''' Everything. He's a piece of sh-

(''Cut to Jonas on the sofa'')

'''Jonas:''' He didn't say that. Did he really say that?

'''Bree:''' Okay. Next question. What do you think is the one thing that you do that bothers Daniel?

'''Jonas:''' Going on hikes with you. (''Jonas leans forward and pushes Bree aside'')

(''Cut back to Daniel on the bed, sitting up'')

'''Bree:''' What do you think you do that bothers Jonas the most?

'''Daniel:''' Breathing.

'''Bree:''' Ugh, Daniel!

'''Daniel:''' No seriously, if I wasn't around, he'd have you all to himself.

'''Bree:''' Oh my god! Why do you care that we were on a hike together?

(''Cut to Jonas'')

'''Bree:''' Well, if you guys would just talk to each other then I wouldn't have to...

'''Jonas:''' (''putting up his hands and talking over Bree'') Look, Bree! I'm like--what are you? Are you Dr. Phil? I mean come on. Just... (''Jonas waves his hands in a dismissive gesture'') let it go.

(''Cut to Bree'')

'''Bree:''' Do not become annoyed if the man tries to make a joke out of the situation. This is just a coping mechanism and it is not an effective form of communication.

(''Cut to Daniel outside, setting down a tool that may be a snow shovel.'')

'''Daniel:''' What are you talking about?! Just...who are you? Go away. (''Daniel slams the door in Bree's face from the outside'')

(''Cut to Jonas inside'')

'''Jonas:''' No. I don't care, I don't care! Idon'tcareIdon'tcareIdon'tcare... I don't care. You can't come and I don't care. (''Jonas slams the door in Bree's face from the inside'')

(''Cut to Bree'')

'''Bree:''' Well as you can see, that completely failed. I guess if they want to patch things up, they are going to have to do it themselves. As for me, I'm going for a walk... ''alone''.

==Notes==
* In [[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5|one of her videos]], [[Nikki Bower]] asked Tachyon what her favorite [[Nancy Drew's Guide to Life|Nancy Drew]] book was. Tachyon said that it was "The Clue in the Diary". This was one of the books left in [[Jonas Sucks|Tachyon's package]], and is the one he can be seen reading in this video.

* Jonas's refusal to communicate with Bree about his feelings regarding Daniel can be considered especially striking given his known penchant for armchair psychoanalysis.

* When Bree says "''alone''", you can easily hear her New Zealand accent.

*This video marks sixteen weeks on the run from [[the Order]], beginning with the video [[Life's Not Fair]] (which marked the last time we saw Bree in her [[Bree's bedroom|room]], in which she decides to visit Daniel "for a bit") -- Bree and Daniel have been on the run essentially for four months.