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==Transcript==<br />
(''Camera zooms in on Jonas sleeping and cuts back to Sarah.'')<br />
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'''Sarah:''' Jonas is fine. He'll probably be back on his feet in a couple of hours, but for now the rest will do him some good. Look, I know what you're thinking, okay, and I confess. I did a mildly stalkerish thing by following him to Chicago. But come on. Aren't you glad I did?<br />
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(''The words '''Sarah Saves the World''' are superimposed on a black screen. Sarah is seen adjusting the camera, followed by the words '''One miserable pretty boy at a time'''. The video cuts to Sarah again.'')<br />
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'''Sarah:''' Besides. What better way to prove that I really am on the side of the angels now than by risking my butt to save Jonas, right?<br />
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(''Footage from [[Mace in Yo Face!]] is shown.'')<br />
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'''Sarah:''' Look, when I heard about the auction, that there was some way for me to hurt the Order, I had to take that chance. Even if it meant staying under the radar. I wasn't trying to be sneaky or anything. It's just I knew what would happen if anybody saw me. And I was right. Even Jonas, he didn't want to believe me. He didn't want to believe that I really wanted to help him fight. Even after I saved his life. Which, P.S., is probably the most ungrateful accusation I've ever been...accused of. But I don't care. Because I'm not doing this for him. I'm doing this for me. Because I have something to offer. Something to prove. The Order tried to steal my life. They tried to use me as some sort of pawn. And in case you haven't noticed, I hate being told what to do.<br />
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(''Text on-screen reads '''Nobody puts Sarah in a corner''''')<br />
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'''Sarah:''' If you think I don't want the Order to pay for what they did, then you're smoking crack. And look, I don't know what these LifesBlood guys want with Jonas or how the Order fits into their plan, but we're gonna find out. I'm gonna find out. Because I'm tired of just sitting on the sidelines.<br />
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(''Video cuts to a clip from [[Cheer Me Up!]]'')<br />
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'''Sarah:''' Now we're gonna find this book, we're gonna figure out what it does, and how it can help us fight the Order. I'm in this game. And I'm on Jonas' team whether he likes it or not.<br />
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==Notes==<br />
*The line "Nobody puts Sarah in a corner" is a reference to Dirty Dancing, which opened in Chicago on 28 September, the day before this video was posted.</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Team_Player,_Haters!&diff=144021Talk:Team Player, Haters!2008-10-07T05:54:53Z<p>205.243.71.71: New page: The quote "Nobody puts Sarah in the corner" is a reference to Dirty Dancing. Dirty Dancing opened in Chicago right around the day this was posted (either that day or the day before). I was...</p>
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<div>The quote "Nobody puts Sarah in the corner" is a reference to Dirty Dancing. Dirty Dancing opened in Chicago right around the day this was posted (either that day or the day before). I was there and drove past the theatre, and had been looking at tickets but it didn't open until I left the city. --Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 00:54, 7 October 2008 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Fun_Things_to_Do_in_Hiding_-_Volume_Dos!&diff=141931Talk:Fun Things to Do in Hiding - Volume Dos!2008-09-03T05:07:12Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>== Secret Code ==<br />
Does anyone else think there is a secret message in this video??? --[[User:TimiN|TimiN]] 12:51, 2 September 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I thought that when she held up the money the first time. Generally people put it by denomination, but hers was very clearly 1-5-1. I don't know what the code behind that would be, though. She behaved a bit differently than her normal self, though, so I think there was something code-ish about it. --Greenlacebeauty[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 00:07, 3 September 2008 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15&diff=123190User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl152008-04-24T16:36:38Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>''Issues currently being discussed:''<br />
*Lack of indication that the character images are links. ([[#Solutions|Current Discussion]])<br />
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==Comments==<br />
:I love this new version it sick [[User:OldOak7]]<br />
:I think it looks great! [[User:nnnik]]<br />
:I have no criticism at all. Maybe it's that I'm not good at this stuff, so I think it looks perfect. Either way LOVE IT!!!! Can't wait to see the finished product. --Greenie [[User:138.210.216.82|138.210.216.82]] 12:17, 10 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I love this redesign! You do a nice job, Renegade!- [[User:AzukiLotus]]12 April 2008<br />
::Ditto. This "living room" for the LGPedia "house" feels less like an information overload, and more like a "welcome! won't you come on in?" ;-) --[[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]<br />
:I don't know if we're still taking comments on the page, but just for the record, I like think it looks awesome. [[User:Elphielivesagain]]<br />
:I think maybe the background needs another color than white. [[User:Krisser]]<br />
:I love the new design and a dont find the character links hard to find now it has text over them [[User:Danielbeast24790]]<br />
I really really really like the new design of the page, i say lets go for it!<br />
:I think it looks great, but my problem with it is... to much blue! Spice it up a bit, guys. I also think you should make larger spaces between the character photos; too close together, it'll confuse new people. Other than that... it's awesome! {{unsigned|66.171.183.102}}<br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
===Shiori's happy nitpicks===<br />
#The contrast on the vid template is still too low. Can we crank it up or something? The "no image available" image is especially making it look jarring with the low contrast.<br />
##Playing around in Photoshop, #9FC6F0 looks nice for the bars.<br />
##Could you make the image background the darker color? I liked that... (Speaking of the image, tone down the "no image available" one; it's crazy dark.)<br />
#Looks squished. Make layout width:100%, pwease.<br />
#I don't even know if this is even possible, but I'll throw it out there anyway. When the layout is changed to 100% width, and then I make my browser window smaller, the character images eat up the side nav. If you could, fix it on the left and maybe set the width in between the images to a variable width so they'd stretch across the whole top bar?<br />
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Looks ''really'' good, Ren! - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 14:31, 27 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:#I ''can'' play around with the colors, but let's first hear other opinions. And the "no image available" one was actually made for the previous proposal, I just uploaded it 'cause it's the default filename if no image was set. I'll upload a new one once we know which color we go with.<br />
:#It's designed for 1024px width; can't make it wider without some more photoshop love. So let's hear what others say, first.<br />
:#Given that the character icons should stay away from the dark blue part, if possible, I'd be opposed to that. But then again, I don't know what exactly you did and didn't do to achieve width: 100%, so I can't even reproduce the problem.<br />
:More opinions, anyone?<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:00, 27 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===Character Row===<br />
What happens if, at some point, we need to have more or less character icons? Does this require an entire redo in photoshop? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:36, 27 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
:The "edit character row" link is there for a reason, Z ;) [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15/Character Row]]<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:21, 27 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Right, but what if we add a character, doesn't that throw the width of the character row off? Based on the width of the header? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:14, 27 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Well, depending on how you modify the row, it shrinks or grows...?<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:39, 28 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:<font color=red>'''Resolved: Solution was to keep darker colors.'''</font><br />
:''Images have been removed during the archiving.''<br />
We're basically agreeing that the colors look good in the vid template, but Ren and I are argue-discussing whether the darker color should be used for the image border or not. So please decide whether the top or bottom version looks better: [image]<br />
- [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:34, 30 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I like the bottom one better.<br />
::--[[User:TimiN|TimiN]] 19:45, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I have created an actual (not fabricated :P) comparison:<br />
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::I agree that, put next to each other like this, the darker scheme looks slightly better; but keep in mind that, on the portal, the news are placed next to a giant, dark box, which generates a much different contrast:<br />
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::And, though I agree the difference is marginal, and the darker scheme doesn't look ''bad'', I do think, placed against the dark box, the lighter scheme works slightly better.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:36, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::My does not think the lighter version is better. :p (When taken from a full-page standpoint, the difference is almost unnoticeable. Meh. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:44, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===Character Icons===<br />
One problem I have with the design now is that it is not clear that you can click on the individual character icons to view the main characters' pages. The icons simply look like part of the design at present. Perhaps putting the names back under the icons will help people understand that they can click those... or does anyone else have any ideas? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:52, 30 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:You get the normal link hand icon over them, so those not familiar with mediawiki in general should get it by instinct. And even if they don't, [[Characters]] is the first link in the first content box. In a worst case scenario, a confused person just takes one click longer.<br />
:Not to mention that the names of the current character boxes don't look like links either. I click them because I know from experience they are links, not because it's actually obvious.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:40, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The hand icon appears over every image, so the fact that they appear on the icons does not provide any real clue to the fact that the images actually take you to the characters' pages. The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the [[Characters]] link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them ''knowing'' they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.<br />
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::And I think there is a big difference between the character icon placement you proposed and the one we have now. Currently, they are in a separate column and each icon has a box with the name of the character underneath. It is much more obvious that you can click those images and/or the links to learn more about the characters than it is on your proposal, where there is no text and the images just look like part of the header design. I think it's important that people know to click these links, so we should find a way to make it obvious that they can. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:46, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Random idea: Would overlaying a link-indicating icon or something work? I can't imagine it looking right with text, which is kind of a problem... - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:49, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::I added alt text, I think that helps a little. Not sure it solves the problem entirely though... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:55, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Hence why I said "those not familiar with mediawiki in general should get it by instinct". Those who are new to LGPedia should instinctively react to the cursor change, those who are familiar with LGPedia also know that the portal icons can be clicked.<br />
:::Of course largely labeling them as links would make it clearer, but a caption box like on the current portal will definitely not work. An overlay with the name ''might'' work. But so far, you're the only one mentioning it, so let's hear what others say before we change the design in such a drastic way.<br />
:::In addition, your analogy is wrong - the latest videos are changing almost daily and are on the front page as ''news'', not as permanent content. We are not just providing a link, we are reporting the latest video - and that requires a date at least. In addition, a random still is by far not as clear as a frontal face shot. Some shot of the general LA area, or of Daniel in the rented house, could fit dozens of episodes, so the link wouldn't be clear without text. The List of Videos is also not a replacement, because it shows neither a date or posting, nor a description, nor a viewing link.<br />
:::A link to Daniel's page on Characters ''is'' the same as a link to Daniel's page on the front page.<br />
:::A link with poster on List of Videos is ''not'' the same as a full news post with posting date and watch links.<br />
:::You cannot compare news posts that inform users of the latest information of a video to a static link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:59, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Okay, but how is a person supposed to differentiate between the hand icon that comes over the images for the icons and the hand icon that comes over the image for, say, the graphic that says "Lonelygirl15 portal." That image doesn't take them anywhere of relevance, so why should people assume that the icons, which appear to be a part of the larger image, take them anywhere?<br />
::::I agree with you on why we need the whole video template. But I am unsure why this is relevant. Are you trying to argue that the icons shouldn't be there in the first place because they do not report the news? Could you please clarify this?<br />
::::And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page. The Characters page contains an image, a clearly identifiable link, and a brief description of the character. The icon on the front page does contain not anything but an image link. And really, on the Characters page, people ''aren't'' supposed to be clicking the image to get to the page (otherwise all of the characters would need images, which most of them do ''not'' have), but the images redirect there as a "just in case." <br />
::::They are not equal. They are different. The icons are on the front page because providing easy links to the main characters is important. We need to find a way to make sure they are emphasized, otherwise they might as well not be there. And unless this is what you are suggesting (in which case we'd need to have an entirely different discussion here), we need to make sure people know they are there and will take them to the content they will, in fact, take them to. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:50, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Well, I for one would prefer names next to the characters. Now, I think Ren said that would be difficult code-wise (I wouldn't know any better, as that's not my expertise) but I still would lean toward names with the characters if only for new visitors to attach names to the faces they see. And while I'm sure that there won't be so much white space on the Portal -- due to the fact this is merely a sandbox and such -- I do want to express that I'm not a fan of so much blank, empty space (i imagine there's something in the works, right Ren?). Again, maybe it's just me, but those are my thoughts. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:29, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::This looks '''awesome''', but I agree with Pheon about the names. I as well am not an expert at coding, but how impossible would it be for it to only say the name when you roll over it? I don't know if that's completely out of the question but I figured I'd throw it out there. Please don't laugh me to scorn! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 21:37, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::To take it a step further, (I'm pretty sure it's not possible in the Pedia, so you can just consider it rambling) we could do rollover images to let you know the character's name... I think the best idea would be an alt tag with just the character name and some superimposed image letting you know it's a link. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:43, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I can easily code a div that says "Click here for this Character's page - Daniel" or something when you hover over Daniel's pic. If it works in ''Internet Explorer'', however, depends on if the programmers were drunk one day and actually wrote standards compliant code.<br />
::::::You misunderstood me, pheon. Code-wise, it'd be easy to write. But if you add captions to these images, the design is destroyed. Period.<br />
::::::As for the white-space, it's currently fixed width optimized for a 1024x768 resolution. As noted above, I can try creating a variable width version, but that requires a lot more work on the image. However, given that more whitespace is generally regarded as "lighter" and "easier to grasp" by users, and I don't see anything lacking space, I honestly don't quite see the problem. The news boxes would not be smaller anyway - if anything, they would be just as high, but longer, with the descriptions only filling one line, and the content descriptions would all be in one line.<br />
:::::You missed my point, Z. All I was doing was showing how your analogy of comparing the character icons to the news was invalid. I was not making any statements about the validity of any content item on any page.<br />
:::::And btw, the header can easily be turned into a link to the portal to de-confuse the users, or overlayed by an empty div to de-linkify it. Or used as a CSS background image. Or whatever. What matters is not that the header is a link, but that the character icons are links.<br />
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::I said it before, and I'll say it again. Variable width FTW. Make it so! (If you can) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:09, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::The headers are not links anymore and the layout is variable width now.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 01:08, 2 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Just added charbox template, generating a special overlay effect on FF and IE 7 and upwards, and also changing the link to the character page directly, not to the image page. (Thus making very obvious that this image is a link to a character, not to an image page.)<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:48, 5 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Looks perfect! I love the rollover names, that's awesome! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:16, 11 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I really like the rollover names too, and I definitely think it helps, but I don't think it solves the problem entirely. We really need a clear indication that these are links. I think that part of the thing here is that the people who are commenting are people who are familiar with the current layout, and already know that these images should be links... but any new viewers that LGPedia draws in could very easily be confused by the proposed setup. Perhaps something like.. a little arrow that says "Click here to learn more about these characters"... or something to that effect should be considered? I'm not sure how to best do this, as obviously I want to keep it as aesthetically pleasing as possible, but I also think functionality and navigability for new users is really important and something we should all keep in mind. Other than that, I really like this design and am on board with going forward with it! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:30, 11 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Has there been any additional thought given to how to solve this issue? Like I said, as soon as we can fix this, I am totally on board with making this design live... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:47, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:A suggestion from the person who doesn't really know anything (so please don't take him seriously because this would probably really hard to do) but what if we put "Characters:" to the left of the images? Now the thing that would probably be impossible to do on a wiki: I think it might be cool if we could put buttons to the left and right of the images that when you roll over them, they scroll. This way if there are any additional main characters, we can add them in, and people can just scroll through the list. Yet again, I know nothing so don't yell at me for my incompetence, just an idea. [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:51, 11 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===Video List===<br />
I love the design, but I wanted to point out that the video list column extends far beyond the other one. Maybe instead of four video boxes we could have three? Just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:25, 19 April 2008 (EST)<br />
:I agree, because it's so long, it leaves such a gap at the bottom-left side (me no fan of huge-white spaces). Three video boxes could work, or maybe even making the section titles (i.e. "Lonelygirl15 Universe," "Behing the Scenes," "Other Series & Content") could be bigger? Just throwing out thoughts . . . --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:51, 20 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Another option could be to just remove the "recent videos" list and just have the link to the complete video list. What good do those additional five videos do, anyway? (I was also trying to innovate a bottom bar for the most recent five videos, but that would probably look weird.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:07, 20 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::I have no idea what you guys talking about. When re-sized to 1024, the columns are almost equal, when wide on 1280, only the recent videos peek over. I don't see anything extending "far beyond". Screenshots? Arrows?<br />
:::And, most importantly, are those showstoppers for you?<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:22, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::In my post I'm refering to the "Recent Videos" list. While its not major, I'm just not a fan of such a huge amount of white space. That said, I'm cool with Shiori's idea of just dropping the list all together, leaving just the link to the complete video list. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 17:30, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Are you on a notebook?<br />
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 21:11, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Bah, since even *if* you count this as a design problem (which I, personally, don't), it still looks better than the current layout, I'll go forward with the move unless there are objections within 21 minutes. If the list is a problem later, we can put it in a collapsed, expandable div/table.<br />
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:09, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Launch==<br />
===Problems===<br />
We are going forward with this? I do not see any resolution on the character icon issue...? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:23, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:The resolution is, I had a notice '''directly on the portal''' for the past [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:Lonelygirl15&diff=119618&oldid=119583 eleven days] (getting very direct [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:Lonelygirl15&diff=122215&oldid=122136 two days ago]) telling people to note objections and criticism. You are ''still'' the only one who complains about the character icons. In the [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARenegade%2FPortal%3ALonelygirl15&diff=122724&oldid=119695 entire time], people mostly said they liked the design. I had one suggestion to totally change the background color, which was unsigned and not taken serious by ''anyone'' (and would look like crap), one suggestion to put "Characters:" next to the characters box, which, permanently, would destroy the layout, and on hover would be the same time of fix as now, and these remarks about the video list length now, which a) is minor, and can be fixed later, b) I can't even reproduce/understand in the first place, and didn't come up in the month before, so it's likely a taste question anyway, and c) one column has to be longer anyway. Period. It's forced by the way I coded this. Not to mention I already proposed a fix above (collapsed expandable div). So we have one non-serious, anonymous suggestion, one suggestion that only seeks to please you, not specifically mentions the poster actually dislikes the current state, and this minor taste issue today. In the same time, we got three "this looks great!" type of answers, and no one really objects. FH14 and Pheon don't really object - they just don't like the length of a certain content item. Neither do ''you'' really object to the design as a whole, you'd just like to put giant arrows on the character icons.<br />
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:Nobody really objects to this redesign, after I made it as public as possible on the pedia, and there was enough time to discuss it. Even with the minor nitpicks people still have, it's way better than the current version. You can argue "OMG THE LINKS ARE INVISIBLE!" all you want, even if they are, the users are not retarded - if they really want to know about the characters, they can click "Characters" until we found a solution for the icons. So yes, I'm moving forward with this ''now''.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 23:03, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Renegade, I really did not want to do this, but since when do you have the authority to overrule admins... muchless to disrespect me... or ANY member of this wiki, for that matter? I am reverting your edits until a ''calm'' and ''rational'' '''consensus''' can be reached on this issue. And please take this as your warning, if the attitude displayed in these posts continues, there ''will'' be consequences. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:29, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I did not realize that this was this close to going live, and I was surprised to see it happen. Frankly, although most people did agree that the new design looks good, the portal is a ''very'' highly viewed page, so I think we need to be absolutely sure we're ready before we make such a change. And in this case I think that means admin backing as well. The old portal works for now, and since there is a dispute we're going to leave it at that until a resolution is reached. And please, ''please'', ''PLEASE'', '''keep things civil'''. Respect is the name of the game here. Just keep that in mind. Kthx.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 00:40, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Once more, Zoey fucks over community discussion and consensus. Surprise! How many weeks this time until you can be arsed to go on with this? Three? Four? Five? Never?<br />
:Let's be honest here: You're just pissed off because I didn't give you the opportunity to shoot it down in silence. I dared to post it out in the open, so you couldn't just say "no" without reasoning in the shadows. Now you're fucked because your made up reasoning finds no support, so you just claim there is no consensus, even though there was really no objection to the current design, and even though the note was ''on the fucking portal'' for almost two weeks.<br />
:I am sick of this shit. '''If you want to dictate this redesign away, do it already.''' But stop making up bullshit reasons. Our users are not retarded. They ''can'' click "Characters" for character information if they don't realize the icons are links. And there is no need for more discussion for a consensus that needs to be reached, because everybody already likes the design, ''you'' just think our users are too stupid to find character information. In fact, I have been working ''together'' with the community for weeks to create the current state, and the progress and process is very visible above. The only thing standing in the way of this redesign is ''you''. Don't claim anything else.<br />
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:And for the record, no matter what you may try to construct here in order to justify your dictatorship - I did ''not'' overrule any administrative decision. You did ''not'' tell me to stop, even though it ''clearly'' said I was going to do it 29 minutes later. Had you wanted me to stop, a simple "stop!" would've have been enough. '''Do not lie and pretend there was an order not to do this.''' There was a clear favor of the redesign over the current design in the community, the redesign works and has been tested in both browsers, and there was no administrative overrule.<br />
:I behaved perfectly within the policies and traditions of this encyclopedia. I just happened to do something ''you personally'' don't like.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 01:07, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Okay, really, give it a rest. I don't care about your personal feelings about Zoey or whatever. You can disagree with Zoey all you want, but there's absolutely no reason to attack her. And it's not just because she's the head admin; you shouldn't talk like that to ''anyone'' on the pedia. So here's what I suggest: Everyone just calm down, take a break, and come back later when you're capable of being respectful and not just vindictive. The portal we have right now has lasted this long--there's no reason why it has to be changed very soon, so let's try to work this out first. But please, only in a respectful manner.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 01:37, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Ren, before I say anything else . . . heed Jon's word of advice. Even if we're all adults here, there's simply no need to bring that kind of language and attitude here. You're angry and peeved, we get it. We don't need to read what could be very well be considered a verbal attack. Seriously Ren, keep it civil -- not only for respect of your fellow LGPedians, but also for the sake of not reducing another discussion into a shouting match.<br />
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:::Back to the discussion, while there have been about ten different posters on this discussion page, that just not a good consensus. Granted, I know we'd never get every user to give their opinion and I ''know'' you gave them "ample" time to even give an opinion, but like Jon said the Portals are perhaps the most frequent viewed of pages . . . . and we're not even talking about a small change to the Portal like pattern of the character boxes or design of the video column, this is on the WHOLE portal, man. And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the lack of discussion here (myself included) just shows such a consensus isn't there and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, '''would''' waiting a little longer for some actual discussion ''be so bad?'' We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::And you actually think confirming that the portal is one of the most viewed pages through a ''second'' admin is helping?<br />
::::All you're doing is confirming that there was a notice for almost two weeks on the probably most-viewed page of this encyclopedia. All you're doing is confirming that this was ''not'' a surprising move at all, and that this discussion was as public as it gets. It's ridiculous to pretend there'd be a sudden influx of new discussion participants if we waited longer.<br />
::::The only way to make this discussion more public is to put the notice in 500% font size, bold and red.<br />
::::If you wanna cower in fear of Zoey's wrath, please, do so. I don't blame you. But everybody knows the discussion itself if not going to change. Maybe over a month, we'll get a new nitpick or a new comment, but nothing's going to change. This discussion has discussed everything there was to discussed. The design was adapted again and again and again to fit the community's needs. There was an open discussion from the start, then the participate link, then the general notice on the portal, then the specific notice on the portal, then the direct statement on here.<br />
::::Let me reiterate that: The portal itself said the redesign was coming almost two weeks, and the portal itself said, for two days, it was coming on monday. It is fucking ridiculous you three are behaving like this was a great surprise to any of you.<br />
::::The only reason this is halted is because Zoey is not getting what she wants, and she has the badge to force her will. It's as simple as that.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 02:16, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Ren, Jonpro seriously JUST asked that, ''"Everyone just calm down, take a break, and come back later when you're capable of being respectful and not just vindictive."'' Despite this, you have continued to personally attack Zoey. Enough man, this just isn't the place for that. Now, posting a civil response is fine, but you have '''no''' reason to just continue attacking Zoey. As it stands, the three of us don't feel the redesign is necessarily ready to become live, nor do we feel that there's any reason why it has to become live THIS very second. The date it was "planned" to go live was chosen I imagine for efficiency's sake, but it's not like we have a deadline like we did when the KM Portal was first being created.<br />
:::::But once again, before you respond please take the time to take a deep breath. We really don't need another shouting match here. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:41, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::::I have been following the design discussion for some time and not felt the need to comment because I pretty much felt Zoey's comments on that thread said it all. I think the design is quite nice and thanks to Ren for all the hard work. However as pointed out it can be just a little better if we can figure out how to make it clearer that the pictures are icons. Yes, I get the point that it has never been totally clear even with the old design. However this is the perfect opportunity for us to get it right. I am a Mac user and as such i strongly believe that good design should be inherently intuitive to the user. The film strip looks nice and the roll overs were a good first step but I cannot help but feel we are missing one small adjustment to the design that will solve the dilemma once and for all. Now is the time to do that and I would be more than happy to try out designs or contribute in any way to finding a really great solution. I fear that if we take the design live now the importance of this design decision will just be lost and may never reach that final awesome end point that will do the design justice.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 05:31, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Pheon, the only thing that really stands out to me in your reply is that you don't deny at all that the notice was very visible, and that it was very visible Monday was planned. Yet none of you complained. So either you ''are'' lying, and you knew full well when it was planned to go live with this, or you're not lying, which means the three administrators of this pedia failed to watch the most-viewed page on it for two to three days - iow, they failed to do their job. Majorly.<br />
::::::There is no ground for you to pretend this is oh-so-surprising. In fact, ''on this very page'' it is documented that you were here on April 20th, whereas I added the "it's happening Monday" notice on the 19th. Yet, there was no "OMG STOP!!!" from you.<br />
::::::Unless you're blind or illiterate, it was very fucking obvious when I was going to do this. Yet, you guys are trying to build this up as a kind of sneak attack where I tried to circumvent the decision-makers. Not gonna happen. If you want to shoot this down, fine. Do it. But I will not let you make up bullshit to justify it.<br />
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:41, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I for not did not see the [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:Lonelygirl15&diff=prev&oldid=122215 notice] that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that. You posted it in ''one'' place, on the portal, and made no mention of it here until ''21 minutes'' beforehand. And frankly, I've been pretty busy these last few days, and even if I happened to see the edit in Recent Changes, I probably assumed it was just an update for a new video, as there was no edit summary. And in the few times I likely viewed the portal, I didn't think to look closely at the notice to see that it had changed to indicate a date when the design would go live. In other words, it wasn't as obvious as you make it out to be, and there's no reason to yell at us for missing it. Having said that, you still ''did'' indicate that you were going to make the change a few days beforehand, and there was no ''direct'' objection (although I'd consider Zoey's [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARenegade%2FPortal%3ALonelygirl15&diff=122724&oldid=122722 edit] an indirect objection), so you did follow procedure for the most part. However, that does not at all justify your disrespectful comments toward any of us, and your refusal to stop making them isn't helping your case.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::::::I also missed the notice on the main page and I use LGPedia quite a bit. I think that just goes to show that our eyes (or optical sensors in my case) are creatures of habit and that goes to why design is so very important. I was following the discussion thread and from what I saw the design issue in question had not been resolved and I think thats what we need to get back to.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:59, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===Solutions===<br />
(''Ignoring the arguing'') Well, I might as well propose a possible solution to the character box problem. Maybe next to Bree's icon there could be a sideways strip of text that says "Characters" something like:<br />
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{|cellspacing="0" align="center" style="background-color: transparent;"<br />
|align="center" style="background:#1E2A63; border: 1px solid #1E2A63;width:100px"|'''{{link|link=Characters|text=Characters|color=#ABB8DB}}'''<br />
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But, again, on it's side at the end of the row (I'm not exactly sure what the names of the colors used are, so I just used these). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 08:50, 23 April 2008 (EST)<br />
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::or we could add something to an extra icon in the film strip row that would just make it clear the icons are buttoms but still keeping the slick design.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 07:54, 23 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Making my own solution, as it seems graphical options might still be in the realm of confusing, I added some text above the character images explaining that they are, in fact, links. It also doesn't kill the layout all that much, so (assuming it can be considered to do the job), everyone should be happy. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:06, 23 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::I like the nice (very small) text that you added. I think it fixes the problem without killing the layout. --Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 12:19, 23 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I really like the page! --Elphielives<br />
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:: On my browser the text "Click on the character's image to go to their page." is burried in the blue so it is not very visible. Try adding it to the perforation below the characters since film actually does have text in the perforation.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 22:16, 23 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I really, really feel that the pictures next to each video should have the same rollover effect that the character icons do. So...you would roll over the picture, and the black filter and video title would be on the picture. It just kinda throws me off-center when the pictures aren't standard. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 18:33, 23 April 2008 (EST)<br />
:Actually, I was wondering: now that the text is there, do we even need the rollovers? What does everyone else think? Also, mm, could you post a screenshot or something? - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 08:59, 24 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agreed with Phisho. Oh, and Shiori, I LIKE the rollovers. I think they look really good! --[[User:Greenie|Greenie]] 11:36, 24 April 2008 (CST)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Raise_The_Roof&diff=123070Talk:Raise The Roof2008-04-24T02:48:02Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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*this is getting more complicated. for sure!<br />
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==Bathtub Jonas ==<br />
*Can I just say, this is (I believe) the third time Jonas has appeared in a bathtub, and the second time he's been under the influence whilst in said bathtubs. Remember the Great Wall of Jonas? Totally Fucking Clueless? We see a lot of Jonas in the Bathtub... Just my thoughts on the whole thing. --Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:52, 23 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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*It is the fifth time xD. Chelsey 14:43, 23 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:*is it time to make a [[Jonas in a Bathtub]] page? LOL! - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
::*Haha, I'm almost wondering that, Platy!! I'm trying to figure out which other times we've seen him in a bathtub... maybe I should go through the videos again and see, Chelsey. -- [[user:greenie|Greenie]]<br />
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==Crossover==<br />
I'm quite pleased to say that this crossover business hasn't thrown me quite so much as I expected. Turns out that simply from patrolling recent edits, I pretty much know everything about KM despite not having seen a single video since Office Romance...if that's even what it was called.. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:01, 23 April 2008 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:Greenie&diff=123031User:Greenie2008-04-23T19:05:32Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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*this is getting more complicated. for sure!<br />
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==Bathtub Jonas ==<br />
*Can I just say, this is (I believe) the third time Jonas has appeared in a bathtub, and the second time he's been under the influence whilst in said bathtubs. Remember the Great Wall of Jonas? Totally Fucking Clueless? We see a lot of Jonas in the Bathtub... Just my thoughts on the whole thing. --Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:52, 23 April 2008 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15&diff=123004User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl152008-04-23T17:19:51Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>==Shiori's happy nitpicks==<br />
#The contrast on the vid template is still too low. Can we crank it up or something? The "no image available" image is especially making it look jarring with the low contrast.<br />
##Playing around in Photoshop, #9FC6F0 looks nice for the bars.<br />
##Could you make the image background the darker color? I liked that... (Speaking of the image, tone down the "no image available" one; it's crazy dark.)<br />
#Looks squished. Make layout width:100%, pwease.<br />
#I don't even know if this is even possible, but I'll throw it out there anyway. When the layout is changed to 100% width, and then I make my browser window smaller, the character images eat up the side nav. If you could, fix it on the left and maybe set the width in between the images to a variable width so they'd stretch across the whole top bar?<br />
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Looks ''really'' good, Ren! - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 14:31, 27 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I think maybe the background needs another color than white. {{unsigned|71.187.29.212}}<br />
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:#I ''can'' play around with the colors, but let's first hear other opinions. And the "no image available" one was actually made for the previous proposal, I just uploaded it 'cause it's the default filename if no image was set. I'll upload a new one once we know which color we go with.<br />
:#It's designed for 1024px width; can't make it wider without some more photoshop love. So let's hear what others say, first.<br />
:#Given that the character icons should stay away from the dark blue part, if possible, I'd be opposed to that. But then again, I don't know what exactly you did and didn't do to achieve width: 100%, so I can't even reproduce the problem.<br />
:More opinions, anyone?<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:00, 27 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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What happens if, at some point, we need to have more or less character icons? Does this require an entire redo in photoshop? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:36, 27 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
:The "edit character row" link is there for a reason, Z ;) [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15/Character Row]]<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:21, 27 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Right, but what if we add a character, doesn't that throw the width of the character row off? Based on the width of the header? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:14, 27 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Well, depending on how you modify the row, it shrinks or grows...?<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:39, 28 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===Vid Template/Image Color(s)===<br />
We're basically agreeing that the colors look good in the vid template, but Ren and I are argue-discussing whether the darker color should be used for the image border or not. So please decide whether the top or bottom version looks better:<br><br />
[[Image:Compare.gif]]<br><br />
- [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:34, 30 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I like the bottom one better.<br />
::--[[User:TimiN|TimiN]] 19:45, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I have created an actual (not fabricated :P) comparison:<br />
::[[Image:Portal s3 news color comparison.png|300px]]<br />
::I agree that, put next to each other like this, the darker scheme looks slightly better; but keep in mind that, on the portal, the news are placed next to a giant, dark box, which generates a much different contrast:<br />
::[[Image:Portal s3 news color comparison2.png|300px]]<br />
::And, though I agree the difference is marginal, and the darker scheme doesn't look ''bad'', I do think, placed against the dark box, the lighter scheme works slightly better.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:36, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::My does not think the lighter version is better. :p (When taken from a full-page standpoint, the difference is almost unnoticeable. Meh. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:44, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I think it looks great! [[User:nnnik]]<br />
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==Character Icons==<br />
One problem I have with the design now is that it is not clear that you can click on the individual character icons to view the main characters' pages. The icons simply look like part of the design at present. Perhaps putting the names back under the icons will help people understand that they can click those... or does anyone else have any ideas? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:52, 30 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:You get the normal link hand icon over them, so those not familiar with mediawiki in general should get it by instinct. And even if they don't, [[Characters]] is the first link in the first content box. In a worst case scenario, a confused person just takes one click longer.<br />
:Not to mention that the names of the current character boxes don't look like links either. I click them because I know from experience they are links, not because it's actually obvious.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:40, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The hand icon appears over every image, so the fact that they appear on the icons does not provide any real clue to the fact that the images actually take you to the characters' pages. The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the [[Characters]] link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them ''knowing'' they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.<br />
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::And I think there is a big difference between the character icon placement you proposed and the one we have now. Currently, they are in a separate column and each icon has a box with the name of the character underneath. It is much more obvious that you can click those images and/or the links to learn more about the characters than it is on your proposal, where there is no text and the images just look like part of the header design. I think it's important that people know to click these links, so we should find a way to make it obvious that they can. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:46, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Random idea: Would overlaying a link-indicating icon or something work? I can't imagine it looking right with text, which is kind of a problem... - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:49, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::I added alt text, I think that helps a little. Not sure it solves the problem entirely though... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:55, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Hence why I said "those not familiar with mediawiki in general should get it by instinct". Those who are new to LGPedia should instinctively react to the cursor change, those who are familiar with LGPedia also know that the portal icons can be clicked.<br />
:::Of course largely labeling them as links would make it clearer, but a caption box like on the current portal will definitely not work. An overlay with the name ''might'' work. But so far, you're the only one mentioning it, so let's hear what others say before we change the design in such a drastic way.<br />
:::In addition, your analogy is wrong - the latest videos are changing almost daily and are on the front page as ''news'', not as permanent content. We are not just providing a link, we are reporting the latest video - and that requires a date at least. In addition, a random still is by far not as clear as a frontal face shot. Some shot of the general LA area, or of Daniel in the rented house, could fit dozens of episodes, so the link wouldn't be clear without text. The List of Videos is also not a replacement, because it shows neither a date or posting, nor a description, nor a viewing link.<br />
:::A link to Daniel's page on Characters ''is'' the same as a link to Daniel's page on the front page.<br />
:::A link with poster on List of Videos is ''not'' the same as a full news post with posting date and watch links.<br />
:::You cannot compare news posts that inform users of the latest information of a video to a static link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:59, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Okay, but how is a person supposed to differentiate between the hand icon that comes over the images for the icons and the hand icon that comes over the image for, say, the graphic that says "Lonelygirl15 portal." That image doesn't take them anywhere of relevance, so why should people assume that the icons, which appear to be a part of the larger image, take them anywhere?<br />
::::I agree with you on why we need the whole video template. But I am unsure why this is relevant. Are you trying to argue that the icons shouldn't be there in the first place because they do not report the news? Could you please clarify this?<br />
::::And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page. The Characters page contains an image, a clearly identifiable link, and a brief description of the character. The icon on the front page does contain not anything but an image link. And really, on the Characters page, people ''aren't'' supposed to be clicking the image to get to the page (otherwise all of the characters would need images, which most of them do ''not'' have), but the images redirect there as a "just in case." <br />
::::They are not equal. They are different. The icons are on the front page because providing easy links to the main characters is important. We need to find a way to make sure they are emphasized, otherwise they might as well not be there. And unless this is what you are suggesting (in which case we'd need to have an entirely different discussion here), we need to make sure people know they are there and will take them to the content they will, in fact, take them to. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:50, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Well, I for one would prefer names next to the characters. Now, I think Ren said that would be difficult code-wise (I wouldn't know any better, as that's not my expertise) but I still would lean toward names with the characters if only for new visitors to attach names to the faces they see. And while I'm sure that there won't be so much white space on the Portal -- due to the fact this is merely a sandbox and such -- I do want to express that I'm not a fan of so much blank, empty space (i imagine there's something in the works, right Ren?). Again, maybe it's just me, but those are my thoughts. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:29, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::This looks '''awesome''', but I agree with Pheon about the names. I as well am not an expert at coding, but how impossible would it be for it to only say the name when you roll over it? I don't know if that's completely out of the question but I figured I'd throw it out there. Please don't laugh me to scorn! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 21:37, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::To take it a step further, (I'm pretty sure it's not possible in the Pedia, so you can just consider it rambling) we could do rollover images to let you know the character's name... I think the best idea would be an alt tag with just the character name and some superimposed image letting you know it's a link. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:43, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I can easily code a div that says "Click here for this Character's page - Daniel" or something when you hover over Daniel's pic. If it works in ''Internet Explorer'', however, depends on if the programmers were drunk one day and actually wrote standards compliant code.<br />
::::::You misunderstood me, pheon. Code-wise, it'd be easy to write. But if you add captions to these images, the design is destroyed. Period.<br />
::::::As for the white-space, it's currently fixed width optimized for a 1024x768 resolution. As noted above, I can try creating a variable width version, but that requires a lot more work on the image. However, given that more whitespace is generally regarded as "lighter" and "easier to grasp" by users, and I don't see anything lacking space, I honestly don't quite see the problem. The news boxes would not be smaller anyway - if anything, they would be just as high, but longer, with the descriptions only filling one line, and the content descriptions would all be in one line.<br />
:::::You missed my point, Z. All I was doing was showing how your analogy of comparing the character icons to the news was invalid. I was not making any statements about the validity of any content item on any page.<br />
:::::And btw, the header can easily be turned into a link to the portal to de-confuse the users, or overlayed by an empty div to de-linkify it. Or used as a CSS background image. Or whatever. What matters is not that the header is a link, but that the character icons are links.<br />
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::I said it before, and I'll say it again. Variable width FTW. Make it so! (If you can) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:09, 31 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::The headers are not links anymore and the layout is variable width now.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 01:08, 2 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Just added charbox template, generating a special overlay effect on FF and IE 7 and upwards, and also changing the link to the character page directly, not to the image page. (Thus making very obvious that this image is a link to a character, not to an image page.)<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:48, 5 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
I have no criticism at all. Maybe it's that I'm not good at this stuff, so I think it looks perfect. Either way LOVE IT!!!! Can't wait to see the finished product. --Greenie [[User:138.210.216.82|138.210.216.82]] 12:17, 10 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Looks perfect! I love the rollover names, that's awesome! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:16, 11 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I really like the rollover names too, and I definitely think it helps, but I don't think it solves the problem entirely. We really need a clear indication that these are links. I think that part of the thing here is that the people who are commenting are people who are familiar with the current layout, and already know that these images should be links... but any new viewers that LGPedia draws in could very easily be confused by the proposed setup. Perhaps something like.. a little arrow that says "Click here to learn more about these characters"... or something to that effect should be considered? I'm not sure how to best do this, as obviously I want to keep it as aesthetically pleasing as possible, but I also think functionality and navigability for new users is really important and something we should all keep in mind. Other than that, I really like this design and am on board with going forward with it! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:30, 11 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Has there been any additional thought given to how to solve this issue? Like I said, as soon as we can fix this, I am totally on board with making this design live... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:47, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:A suggestion from the person who doesn't really know anything (so please don't take him seriously because this would probably really hard to do) but what if we put "Characters:" to the left of the images? Now the thing that would probably be impossible to do on a wiki: I think it might be cool if we could put buttons to the left and right of the images that when you roll over them, they scroll. This way if there are any additional main characters, we can add them in, and people can just scroll through the list. Yet again, I know nothing so don't yell at me for my incompetence, just an idea. [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:51, 11 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I love this redesign! You do a nice job, Renegade!- [[User:AzukiLotus]]12 April 2008<br />
:Ditto. This "living room" for the LGPedia "house" feels less like an information overload, and more like a "welcome! won't you come on in?" ;-) --[[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]<br />
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==Video List==<br />
I love the design, but I wanted to point out that the video list column extends far beyond the other one. Maybe instead of four video boxes we could have three? Just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:25, 19 April 2008 (EST)<br />
:I agree, because it's so long, it leaves such a gap at the bottom-left side (me no fan of huge-white spaces). Three video boxes could work, or maybe even making the section titles (i.e. "Lonelygirl15 Universe," "Behing the Scenes," "Other Series & Content") could be bigger? Just throwing out thoughts . . . --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:51, 20 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Another option could be to just remove the "recent videos" list and just have the link to the complete video list. What good do those additional five videos do, anyway? (I was also trying to innovate a bottom bar for the most recent five videos, but that would probably look weird.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:07, 20 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::I have no idea what you guys talking about. When re-sized to 1024, the columns are almost equal, when wide on 1280, only the recent videos peek over. I don't see anything extending "far beyond". Screenshots? Arrows?<br />
:::And, most importantly, are those showstoppers for you?<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:22, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::In my post I'm refering to the "Recent Videos" list. While its not major, I'm just not a fan of such a huge amount of white space. That said, I'm cool with Shiori's idea of just dropping the list all together, leaving just the link to the complete video list. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 17:30, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Are you on a notebook?<br />
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 21:11, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Bah, since even *if* you count this as a design problem (which I, personally, don't), it still looks better than the current layout, I'll go forward with the move unless there are objections within 21 minutes. If the list is a problem later, we can put it in a collapsed, expandable div/table.<br />
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:09, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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We are going forward with this? I do not see any resolution on the character icon issue...? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:23, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:The resolution is, I had a notice '''directly on the portal''' for the past [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:Lonelygirl15&diff=119618&oldid=119583 eleven days] (getting very direct [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:Lonelygirl15&diff=122215&oldid=122136 two days ago]) telling people to note objections and criticism. You are ''still'' the only one who complains about the character icons. In the [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARenegade%2FPortal%3ALonelygirl15&diff=122724&oldid=119695 entire time], people mostly said they liked the design. I had one suggestion to totally change the background color, which was unsigned and not taken serious by ''anyone'' (and would look like crap), one suggestion to put "Characters:" next to the characters box, which, permanently, would destroy the layout, and on hover would be the same time of fix as now, and these remarks about the video list length now, which a) is minor, and can be fixed later, b) I can't even reproduce/understand in the first place, and didn't come up in the month before, so it's likely a taste question anyway, and c) one column has to be longer anyway. Period. It's forced by the way I coded this. Not to mention I already proposed a fix above (collapsed expandable div). So we have one non-serious, anonymous suggestion, one suggestion that only seeks to please you, not specifically mentions the poster actually dislikes the current state, and this minor taste issue today. In the same time, we got three "this looks great!" type of answers, and no one really objects. FH14 and Pheon don't really object - they just don't like the length of a certain content item. Neither do ''you'' really object to the design as a whole, you'd just like to put giant arrows on the character icons.<br />
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:Nobody really objects to this redesign, after I made it as public as possible on the pedia, and there was enough time to discuss it. Even with the minor nitpicks people still have, it's way better than the current version. You can argue "OMG THE LINKS ARE INVISIBLE!" all you want, even if they are, the users are not retarded - if they really want to know about the characters, they can click "Characters" until we found a solution for the icons. So yes, I'm moving forward with this ''now''.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 23:03, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Renegade, I really did not want to do this, but since when do you have the authority to overrule admins... muchless to disrespect me... or ANY member of this wiki, for that matter? I am reverting your edits until a ''calm'' and ''rational'' '''consensus''' can be reached on this issue. And please take this as your warning, if the attitude displayed in these posts continues, there ''will'' be consequences. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:29, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I did not realize that this was this close to going live, and I was surprised to see it happen. Frankly, although most people did agree that the new design looks good, the portal is a ''very'' highly viewed page, so I think we need to be absolutely sure we're ready before we make such a change. And in this case I think that means admin backing as well. The old portal works for now, and since there is a dispute we're going to leave it at that until a resolution is reached. And please, ''please'', ''PLEASE'', '''keep things civil'''. Respect is the name of the game here. Just keep that in mind. Kthx.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 00:40, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Once more, Zoey fucks over community discussion and consensus. Surprise! How many weeks this time until you can be arsed to go on with this? Three? Four? Five? Never?<br />
:Let's be honest here: You're just pissed off because I didn't give you the opportunity to shoot it down in silence. I dared to post it out in the open, so you couldn't just say "no" without reasoning in the shadows. Now you're fucked because your made up reasoning finds no support, so you just claim there is no consensus, even though there was really no objection to the current design, and even though the note was ''on the fucking portal'' for almost two weeks.<br />
:I am sick of this shit. '''If you want to dictate this redesign away, do it already.''' But stop making up bullshit reasons. Our users are not retarded. They ''can'' click "Characters" for character information if they don't realize the icons are links. And there is no need for more discussion for a consensus that needs to be reached, because everybody already likes the design, ''you'' just think our users are too stupid to find character information. In fact, I have been working ''together'' with the community for weeks to create the current state, and the progress and process is very visible above. The only thing standing in the way of this redesign is ''you''. Don't claim anything else.<br />
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:And for the record, no matter what you may try to construct here in order to justify your dictatorship - I did ''not'' overrule any administrative decision. You did ''not'' tell me to stop, even though it ''clearly'' said I was going to do it 29 minutes later. Had you wanted me to stop, a simple "stop!" would've have been enough. '''Do not lie and pretend there was an order not to do this.''' There was a clear favor of the redesign over the current design in the community, the redesign works and has been tested in both browsers, and there was no administrative overrule.<br />
:I behaved perfectly within the policies and traditions of this encyclopedia. I just happened to do something ''you personally'' don't like.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 01:07, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Okay, really, give it a rest. I don't care about your personal feelings about Zoey or whatever. You can disagree with Zoey all you want, but there's absolutely no reason to attack her. And it's not just because she's the head admin; you shouldn't talk like that to ''anyone'' on the pedia. So here's what I suggest: Everyone just calm down, take a break, and come back later when you're capable of being respectful and not just vindictive. The portal we have right now has lasted this long--there's no reason why it has to be changed very soon, so let's try to work this out first. But please, only in a respectful manner.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 01:37, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Ren, before I say anything else . . . heed Jon's word of advice. Even if we're all adults here, there's simply no need to bring that kind of language and attitude here. You're angry and peeved, we get it. We don't need to read what could be very well be considered a verbal attack. Seriously Ren, keep it civil -- not only for respect of your fellow LGPedians, but also for the sake of not reducing another discussion into a shouting match.<br />
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:::Back to the discussion, while there have been about ten different posters on this discussion page, that just not a good consensus. Granted, I know we'd never get every user to give their opinion and I ''know'' you gave them "ample" time to even give an opinion, but like Jon said the Portals are perhaps the most frequent viewed of pages . . . . and we're not even talking about a small change to the Portal like pattern of the character boxes or design of the video column, this is on the WHOLE portal, man. And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the lack of discussion here (myself included) just shows such a consensus isn't there and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, '''would''' waiting a little longer for some actual discussion ''be so bad?'' We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::And you actually think confirming that the portal is one of the most viewed pages through a ''second'' admin is helping?<br />
::::All you're doing is confirming that there was a notice for almost two weeks on the probably most-viewed page of this encyclopedia. All you're doing is confirming that this was ''not'' a surprising move at all, and that this discussion was as public as it gets. It's ridiculous to pretend there'd be a sudden influx of new discussion participants if we waited longer.<br />
::::The only way to make this discussion more public is to put the notice in 500% font size, bold and red.<br />
::::If you wanna cower in fear of Zoey's wrath, please, do so. I don't blame you. But everybody knows the discussion itself if not going to change. Maybe over a month, we'll get a new nitpick or a new comment, but nothing's going to change. This discussion has discussed everything there was to discussed. The design was adapted again and again and again to fit the community's needs. There was an open discussion from the start, then the participate link, then the general notice on the portal, then the specific notice on the portal, then the direct statement on here.<br />
::::Let me reiterate that: The portal itself said the redesign was coming almost two weeks, and the portal itself said, for two days, it was coming on monday. It is fucking ridiculous you three are behaving like this was a great surprise to any of you.<br />
::::The only reason this is halted is because Zoey is not getting what she wants, and she has the badge to force her will. It's as simple as that.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 02:16, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Ren, Jonpro seriously JUST asked that, ''"Everyone just calm down, take a break, and come back later when you're capable of being respectful and not just vindictive."'' Despite this, you have continued to personally attack Zoey. Enough man, this just isn't the place for that. Now, posting a civil response is fine, but you have '''no''' reason to just continue attacking Zoey. As it stands, the three of us don't feel the redesign is necessarily ready to become live, nor do we feel that there's any reason why it has to become live THIS very second. The date it was "planned" to go live was chosen I imagine for efficiency's sake, but it's not like we have a deadline like we did when the KM Portal was first being created.<br />
:::::But once again, before you respond please take the time to take a deep breath. We really don't need another shouting match here. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:41, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::::I have been following the design discussion for some time and not felt the need to comment because I pretty much felt Zoey's comments on that thread said it all. I think the design is quite nice and thanks to Ren for all the hard work. However as pointed out it can be just a little better if we can figure out how to make it clearer that the pictures are icons. Yes, I get the point that it has never been totally clear even with the old design. However this is the perfect opportunity for us to get it right. I am a Mac user and as such i strongly believe that good design should be inherently intuitive to the user. The film strip looks nice and the roll overs were a good first step but I cannot help but feel we are missing one small adjustment to the design that will solve the dilemma once and for all. Now is the time to do that and I would be more than happy to try out designs or contribute in any way to finding a really great solution. I fear that if we take the design live now the importance of this design decision will just be lost and may never reach that final awesome end point that will do the design justice.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 05:31, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Pheon, the only thing that really stands out to me in your reply is that you don't deny at all that the notice was very visible, and that it was very visible Monday was planned. Yet none of you complained. So either you ''are'' lying, and you knew full well when it was planned to go live with this, or you're not lying, which means the three administrators of this pedia failed to watch the most-viewed page on it for two to three days - iow, they failed to do their job. Majorly.<br />
::::::There is no ground for you to pretend this is oh-so-surprising. In fact, ''on this very page'' it is documented that you were here on April 20th, whereas I added the "it's happening Monday" notice on the 19th. Yet, there was no "OMG STOP!!!" from you.<br />
::::::Unless you're blind or illiterate, it was very fucking obvious when I was going to do this. Yet, you guys are trying to build this up as a kind of sneak attack where I tried to circumvent the decision-makers. Not gonna happen. If you want to shoot this down, fine. Do it. But I will not let you make up bullshit to justify it.<br />
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:41, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I for not did not see the [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:Lonelygirl15&diff=prev&oldid=122215 notice] that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that. You posted it in ''one'' place, on the portal, and made no mention of it here until ''21 minutes'' beforehand. And frankly, I've been pretty busy these last few days, and even if I happened to see the edit in Recent Changes, I probably assumed it was just an update for a new video, as there was no edit summary. And in the few times I likely viewed the portal, I didn't think to look closely at the notice to see that it had changed to indicate a date when the design would go live. In other words, it wasn't as obvious as you make it out to be, and there's no reason to yell at us for missing it. Having said that, you still ''did'' indicate that you were going to make the change a few days beforehand, and there was no ''direct'' objection (although I'd consider Zoey's [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARenegade%2FPortal%3ALonelygirl15&diff=122724&oldid=122722 edit] an indirect objection), so you did follow procedure for the most part. However, that does not at all justify your disrespectful comments toward any of us, and your refusal to stop making them isn't helping your case.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::::::I also missed the notice on the main page and I use LGPedia quite a bit. I think that just goes to show that our eyes (or optical sensors in my case) are creatures of habit and that goes to why design is so very important. I was following the discussion thread and from what I saw the design issue in question had not been resolved and I think thats what we need to get back to.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:59, 22 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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(''Ignoring the arguing'') Well, I might as well propose a possible solution to the character box problem. Maybe next to Bree's icon there could be a sideways strip of text that says "Characters" something like:<br />
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But, again, on it's side at the end of the row (I'm not exactly sure what the names of the colors used are, so I just used these). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 08:50, 23 April 2008 (EST)<br />
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::or we could add something to an extra icon in the film strip row that would just make it clear the icons are buttoms but still keeping the slick design.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 07:54, 23 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Making my own solution, as it seems graphical options might still be in the realm of confusing, I added some text above the character images explaining that they are, in fact, links. It also doesn't kill the layout all that much, so (assuming it can be considered to do the job), everyone should be happy. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:06, 23 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::I like the nice (very small) text that you added. I think it fixes the problem without killing the layout. --Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 12:19, 23 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I don't know if we're still taking comments on the page, but just for the record, I like think it looks awesome. [[User:Elphielivesagain]]</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:Renegade/Portal:KateModern&diff=121668User talk:Renegade/Portal:KateModern2008-04-16T23:59:16Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>I was wondering how long it'd be before the KM redesign went up. As with the LG one, LOVE IT! I don't think it could have been done better. --Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 18:59, 16 April 2008 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Morning_Glory&diff=119119Talk:Morning Glory2008-04-08T13:57:07Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>Wait... couldn't morning glory also be a reference to the flower or to the psychadelic drug? --Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 22:32, 7 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Yes it could. I love how the first instinct is toward something sexual now. I know Jonas is full of himself, but I doubt he'd be calling it "glorious"... :P - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:47, 7 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:How could it be a reference to a flower or a drug? Jonas is not talking about doing drugs or flowers. He is blogging early in the morning after not being able to sleep and thinking about bree. I realize some people are uncomfortable with the overt sexual titles being used lately, but we shouldn't ignore them. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 22:53, 7 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Well, if you want to get down to it "Morning Glory" is actually a very popular term (well, it's popular among my mom's friends, anyway...) used for someone that's up ridiculously early, which is probably the case it's being used in. But I wasn't debating that it could be the sexual reference, just that it could be other things as well. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 23:02, 7 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, BTW, thanks for bringing this up. Thanks to my previous comment, I know have a vision of Jonas running around going "Behold, my glory!" lol! - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 23:07, 7 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=morning+glory Urban dictionary] lists my definition first, in different language though. It has a total of 23 definitions, none of which match's Shiori's mom's friend, which I suspect is a derivation from mine anyway, and a young Shiori was led astray to its true meaning :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 23:30, 7 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::No, Shiori's is one I've heard, as well... I'm just saying, does it always has to be the sexual one? There are MANY different definitions for it, including an early riser, an early *wink, wink* riser, the psychadelic drug (look it up on Erowid), or even the flower. I mean, just because all of their titles lately are sexual, doesn't mean this one is! I just think if we're going to list it as a note, we might as well include other possible theories, instead of one person's thought as to what it could mean. --Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 08:57, 8 April 2008 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Morning_Glory&diff=119086Talk:Morning Glory2008-04-08T03:32:54Z<p>205.243.71.71: New page: Wait... couldn't morning glory also be a reference to the flower or to the psychadelic drug? --Greenie ~~~~</p>
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<div>Mary Annette? Sounds a lot like Marionette. Sounds a lot like puppet. Hmm. --Greenie. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 00:46, 5 April 2008 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Girl,_Returned&diff=115057Talk:Girl, Returned2008-03-25T11:26:47Z<p>205.243.71.71: New page: Do we mean literally the "shortest kidnapping ever"? Or just the shortest kidnapping in the series? I'm not sure there is much proof that this is truly the shortest ever, but it is the sho...</p>
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<div>According to the DSM, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder can be exhibited in things such as hypervigilance, exaggerated startle response, sleep disorder, irritability, and other symptoms. Also, should it be noted that it's commonly referred to as a disorder rather than a syndrome? [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 11:02, 17 February 2008 (CST) GreenLaceBeauty</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Up_All_Night&diff=104075Talk:Up All Night2008-02-17T17:02:22Z<p>205.243.71.71: New page: According to the DSM, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder can be exhibited in things such as hypervigilance, exaggerated startle response, sleep disorder, irritability, and other symptoms. Also...</p>
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<div>According to the DSM, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder can be exhibited in things such as hypervigilance, exaggerated startle response, sleep disorder, irritability, and other symptoms. Also, should it be noted that it's commonly referred to as a disorder rather than a syndrome? ~~ GreenLaceBeauty</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:Greenie&diff=99508User:Greenie2008-01-25T07:10:54Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>Greenie is a junior in college at a private school in Kansas. She used to be involved in chat, using the names "GreenLaceBeauty" and "GreenieLovesYou"; in addition, she used to be a part of the first official LG15 couple.<br />
She is 19 years old, loves Yousef, as well as Jackson Davis, and wishes Tachyon would come back. She really really misses Spencer, but can do without Taylor.<br />
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Greenie has a knew Emma was using code, but was way off on what the code was. She was also wrong about Emma's location.<br />
This User is glad Emma's alive, but said "WTF?!" when Jonas's dad said Jonas wouldn't bother her again. He SAVED her life!<br />
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This user really hopes that this isn't the last we see of Emma. I really like her.<br />
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This user likes the fact that Tariq has moved on, but isn't a fan of Julia (the new girlfriend, not Jules).<br />
{{Userbox EvilJulia}} This user loves Nancypants for her new Userbox!<br />
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This user about died when we found out the specialist's son was really, truly dead, and weren't left with some plot hole. This user also thought the "aaaah" *thud* sounded really fake.<br />
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This user thinks the extended videos are way too scripted, but was exicted to get the free copy of the album.<br />
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Greenie L'Cares about Bree, but couldn't get the userbox to work.<br />
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<div>Are we positive the reference is to a song, and not to the Shakespeare quote? [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 23:23, 27 November 2007 (CST)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Goodbye_For_Now&diff=80370Talk:Goodbye For Now2007-10-24T19:08:08Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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Am I the only one who's genuinely bored by these vids?<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:09, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm bored-ish, but I guess I'll be angrier if all these pathetic vids lead up to NOTHING. If Emma does the ceremony and then dies like Bree did. I'm going to be ticked beyond belief. They better rescue her. If they don't, I'm going to be very very very angry. Because if she dies, well, then they're just going in circles. And circles=lame. [[User:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 10:39, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Double Talk==<br />
Did anyone else notice that she shook her head no through everything she was saying, but on I love you, she shook her head yes?<br />
It seemed like every time she said the "I'm ready" and stuff that she was just... completely not feeling it was true. But when she talked about her family, she either didn't shake her head, or she nodded (like in the "I love you"). I'm just thinking she's still wanting them to do SOMETHING. And if they do, they better do it, like now. [[User:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 10:42, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Possible Location?==<br />
It seems in the talk pages of most of the LaRezisto videos since they took Emma, people have thought Emma is pointing upwards, as though there is something above her. Then there was discussion (primarily by me, I'll admit), that the Tawa story might have had her saying that the sun goes to the underworld at night, and perhaps she's in the "underworld."<br />
This leads me to believe she might be being held below the hangar, where the Bree-imony was held.... hmmm..... :: goes back into thoughts :: [[User:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 14:08, 24 October 2007 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Storytelling&diff=80309Talk:Storytelling2007-10-24T15:45:48Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>OH WELL THERE'S CERTAINLY NO ''SECRET MESSAGE'' IN THIS ONE.<br />
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*points above me*<br />
Why are you yelling O_o. <br />
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---[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 23:57, 20 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm leaning towards the "not-so-secret." Her "come here" was pretty blatant. But then she said, "But I guess the sun can't ever go to the underworld, can it?" This could be taken three ways. 1) She didn't want Claire to think she was telling them to come. 2) She is warning them NOT to come. 3) She's literally underground. 4)... something else. I think she's given up secret messages. That could be because they weren't getting it, or because she thinks Claire will find out. Who knows?<br />
-Greenie [[User:138.210.209.27|138.210.209.27]] 00:12, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
*the sun goes to the underworld at night. doesn't it? i believe thats the real end of the story. - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] oct 21<br />
** So are you saying that the sun is TAAG and they will go to Emma (who may be underground) at night? Or that Emma is the Sun and she is going to the underworld (i. e. the underground location in the hangar) at night? Or that Emma is just telling a story? Or something entirely different? I think we might be getting somewhere if we look at the underworld as the place in the airplane hangar, and emma as the sun. -[[User:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 17:18, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
**im just saying that we should check the differences between emma's version of the story and the real story. the 'real' story. heh... - [[useR:platypusrex256|platy]] oct 21<br />
***Ok, I get what you're saying now. I was just thinking there might be something there, in terms of the whole sun going to the underworld at night thing, especially since the ceremony site the last time was underground. -[[user:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 19:44, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
* in the 12-vid marathon, Bree WAS being held underground.<br />
**I think that maybe they need to look underground. I wonder if they use the same area for every ceremony. You wouldn't think they would want to move it every time. [[User:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 10:45, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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BAHHHH! [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:30, 23 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I agree. I need my teh lonelyfixzorz.</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Storytelling&diff=80308Talk:Storytelling2007-10-24T15:45:27Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>OH WELL THERE'S CERTAINLY NO ''SECRET MESSAGE'' IN THIS ONE.<br />
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*points above me*<br />
Why are you yelling O_o. <br />
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---[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 23:57, 20 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm leaning towards the "not-so-secret." Her "come here" was pretty blatant. But then she said, "But I guess the sun can't ever go to the underworld, can it?" This could be taken three ways. 1) She didn't want Claire to think she was telling them to come. 2) She is warning them NOT to come. 3) She's literally underground. 4)... something else. I think she's given up secret messages. That could be because they weren't getting it, or because she thinks Claire will find out. Who knows?<br />
-Greenie [[User:138.210.209.27|138.210.209.27]] 00:12, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
*the sun goes to the underworld at night. doesn't it? i believe thats the real end of the story. - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] oct 21<br />
** So are you saying that the sun is TAAG and they will go to Emma (who may be underground) at night? Or that Emma is the Sun and she is going to the underworld (i. e. the underground location in the hangar) at night? Or that Emma is just telling a story? Or something entirely different? I think we might be getting somewhere if we look at the underworld as the place in the airplane hangar, and emma as the sun. -[[User:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 17:18, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
**im just saying that we should check the differences between emma's version of the story and the real story. the 'real' story. heh... - [[useR:platypusrex256|platy]] oct 21<br />
***Ok, I get what you're saying now. I was just thinking there might be something there, in terms of the whole sun going to the underworld at night thing, especially since the ceremony site the last time was underground. -[[user:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 19:44, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
* in the 12-vid marathon, Bree WAS being held underground.<br />
**I think that maybe they need to look underground. I wonder if they use the same area for every ceremony. You wouldn't think they would want to move it every time. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 10:45, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
== WHERES MY LONELYCRACK! ==<br />
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BAHHHH! [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:30, 23 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I agree. I need my teh lonelyfixzorz.</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Goodbye_For_Now&diff=80307Talk:Goodbye For Now2007-10-24T15:42:39Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>==Episode/Story quality==<br />
Am I the only one who's genuinely bored by these vids?<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:09, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm bored-ish, but I guess I'll be angrier if all these pathetic vids lead up to NOTHING. If Emma does the ceremony and then dies like Bree did. I'm going to be ticked beyond belief. They better rescue her. If they don't, I'm going to be very very very angry. Because if she dies, well, then they're just going in circles. And circles=lame. [[User:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 10:39, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Double Talk==<br />
Did anyone else notice that she shook her head no through everything she was saying, but on I love you, she shook her head yes?<br />
It seemed like every time she said the "I'm ready" and stuff that she was just... completely not feeling it was true. But when she talked about her family, she either didn't shake her head, or she nodded (like in the "I love you"). I'm just thinking she's still wanting them to do SOMETHING. And if they do, they better do it, like now. [[User:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 10:42, 24 October 2007 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Goodbye_For_Now&diff=80306Talk:Goodbye For Now2007-10-24T15:40:07Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>==Episode/Story quality==<br />
Am I the only one who's genuinely bored by these vids?<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:09, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm bored-ish, but I guess I'll be angrier if all these pathetic vids lead up to NOTHING. If Emma does the ceremony and then dies like Bree did. I'm going to be ticked beyond belief. They better rescue her. If they don't, I'm going to be very very very angry. Because if she dies, well, then they're just going in circles. And circles=lame. [[User:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 10:39, 24 October 2007 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Goodbye_For_Now&diff=80305Talk:Goodbye For Now2007-10-24T15:39:49Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>==Episode/Story quality==<br />
Am I the only one who's genuinely bored by these vids?<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:09, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm bored-ish, but I guess I'll be angrier if all these pathetic vids lead up to NOTHING. If Emma does the ceremony and then dies like Bree did. I'm going to be ticked beyond belief. They better rescue her. If they don't, I'm going to be very very very angry. Because if she dies, well, then they're just going in circles. And circles=lame. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 10:39, 24 October 2007 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Storytelling&diff=79883Talk:Storytelling2007-10-22T00:44:56Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>OH WELL THERE'S CERTAINLY NO ''SECRET MESSAGE'' IN THIS ONE.<br />
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*points above me*<br />
Why are you yelling O_o. <br />
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---[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 23:57, 20 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm leaning towards the "not-so-secret." Her "come here" was pretty blatant. But then she said, "But I guess the sun can't ever go to the underworld, can it?" This could be taken three ways. 1) She didn't want Claire to think she was telling them to come. 2) She is warning them NOT to come. 3) She's literally underground. 4)... something else. I think she's given up secret messages. That could be because they weren't getting it, or because she thinks Claire will find out. Who knows?<br />
-Greenie [[User:138.210.209.27|138.210.209.27]] 00:12, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
*the sun goes to the underworld at night. doesn't it? i believe thats the real end of the story. - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] oct 21<br />
** So are you saying that the sun is TAAG and they will go to Emma (who may be underground) at night? Or that Emma is the Sun and she is going to the underworld (i. e. the underground location in the hangar) at night? Or that Emma is just telling a story? Or something entirely different? I think we might be getting somewhere if we look at the underworld as the place in the airplane hangar, and emma as the sun. -[[User:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 17:18, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
**im just saying that we should check the differences between emma's version of the story and the real story. the 'real' story. heh... - [[useR:platypusrex256|platy]] oct 21<br />
***Ok, I get what you're saying now. I was just thinking there might be something there, in terms of the whole sun going to the underworld at night thing, especially since the ceremony site the last time was underground. -[[user:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 19:44, 21 October 2007 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Storytelling&diff=79875Talk:Storytelling2007-10-21T22:19:20Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>OH WELL THERE'S CERTAINLY NO ''SECRET MESSAGE'' IN THIS ONE.<br />
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*points above me*<br />
Why are you yelling O_o. <br />
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---[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 23:57, 20 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm leaning towards the "not-so-secret." Her "come here" was pretty blatant. But then she said, "But I guess the sun can't ever go to the underworld, can it?" This could be taken three ways. 1) She didn't want Claire to think she was telling them to come. 2) She is warning them NOT to come. 3) She's literally underground. 4)... something else. I think she's given up secret messages. That could be because they weren't getting it, or because she thinks Claire will find out. Who knows?<br />
-Greenie [[User:138.210.209.27|138.210.209.27]] 00:12, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
*the sun goes to the underworld at night. doesn't it? i believe thats the real end of the story. - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] oct 21<br />
** So are you saying that the sun is TAAG and they will go to Emma (who may be underground) at night? Or that Emma is the Sun and she is going to the underworld (i. e. the underground location in the hangar) at night? Or that Emma is just telling a story? Or something entirely different? I think we might be getting somewhere if we look at the underworld as the place in the airplane hangar, and emma as the sun. -[[User:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 17:18, 21 October 2007 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Storytelling&diff=79874Talk:Storytelling2007-10-21T22:18:30Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>OH WELL THERE'S CERTAINLY NO ''SECRET MESSAGE'' IN THIS ONE.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
*points above me*<br />
Why are you yelling O_o. <br />
<br />
---[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 23:57, 20 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
I'm leaning towards the "not-so-secret." Her "come here" was pretty blatant. But then she said, "But I guess the sun can't ever go to the underworld, can it?" This could be taken three ways. 1) She didn't want Claire to think she was telling them to come. 2) She is warning them NOT to come. 3) She's literally underground. 4)... something else. I think she's given up secret messages. That could be because they weren't getting it, or because she thinks Claire will find out. Who knows?<br />
-Greenie [[User:138.210.209.27|138.210.209.27]] 00:12, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
*the sun goes to the underworld at night. doesn't it? i believe thats the real end of the story. - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] oct 21<br />
** So are you saying that the sun is TAAG and they will go to Emma (who may be underground) at night? Or that Emma is the Sun and she is going to the underworld (i. e. the underground location in the hangar) at night? Or that Emma is just telling a story? Or something entirely different?<br />
I think we might be getting somewhere if we look at the underworld as the place in the airplane hangar, and emma as the sun.<br />
-[[User:205.243.71.71|Greenie]] 17:18, 21 October 2007 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Storytelling&diff=79873Talk:Storytelling2007-10-21T22:18:14Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>OH WELL THERE'S CERTAINLY NO ''SECRET MESSAGE'' IN THIS ONE.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
*points above me*<br />
Why are you yelling O_o. <br />
<br />
---[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 23:57, 20 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
I'm leaning towards the "not-so-secret." Her "come here" was pretty blatant. But then she said, "But I guess the sun can't ever go to the underworld, can it?" This could be taken three ways. 1) She didn't want Claire to think she was telling them to come. 2) She is warning them NOT to come. 3) She's literally underground. 4)... something else. I think she's given up secret messages. That could be because they weren't getting it, or because she thinks Claire will find out. Who knows?<br />
-Greenie [[User:138.210.209.27|138.210.209.27]] 00:12, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
*the sun goes to the underworld at night. doesn't it? i believe thats the real end of the story. - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] oct 21<br />
** So are you saying that the sun is TAAG and they will go to Emma (who may be underground) at night? Or that Emma is the Sun and she is going to the underworld (i. e. the underground location in the hangar) at night? Or that Emma is just telling a story? Or something entirely different?<br />
I think we might be getting somewhere if we look at the underworld as the place in the airplane hangar, and emma as the sun.<br />
-[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 17:18, 21 October 2007 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:They%27ll_Do_Anything&diff=78533Talk:They'll Do Anything2007-10-15T15:20:51Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>Why do they drop the baby off at a hospital? Aren't hospitals full of Order personnel, based on the video where Jonas hurt his hand and they took him to a VET?! This might mean that the baby is going to go straight back into Order hands and the saving of the baby will have been in vain, correct? --Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 10:20, 15 October 2007 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Hear_My_Song&diff=77488Talk:Hear My Song2007-10-10T21:47:29Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>This is the third video (if the Nikki B. Christmas video counts; see also the video Sexy Librarian)to feature Borders pretty prominently. Is this a possible sponsorship, or just coincidence? I know it's been a lot of Borders references because I'm at Borders almost every day.... it might be of note. -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 16:47, 10 October 2007 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=75229Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152007-09-28T18:23:36Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== Spencer ==<br />
<br />
If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
<br />
This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
<br />
OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== Someone!!! ==<br />
<br />
Someone<br />
tell<br />
me<br />
how<br />
to<br />
put<br />
a<br />
video<br />
up!?<br />
<br />
== Wierd..... ==<br />
<br />
Who<br />
else<br />
has<br />
acsees<br />
to<br />
Brees<br />
YouTube<br />
account?<br />
<br />
== Outdating ==<br />
<br />
Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
<br />
:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there shold be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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<br />
== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
<br />
Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waist my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
<br />
Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
<br />
Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=75228Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152007-09-28T18:23:08Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
<br />
:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== Spencer ==<br />
<br />
If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
<br />
== Missions ==<br />
<br />
This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== OpAphid ==<br />
<br />
OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== Someone!!! ==<br />
<br />
Someone<br />
tell<br />
me<br />
how<br />
to<br />
put<br />
a<br />
video<br />
up!?<br />
<br />
== Wierd..... ==<br />
<br />
Who<br />
else<br />
has<br />
acsees<br />
to<br />
Brees<br />
YouTube<br />
account?<br />
<br />
== Outdating ==<br />
<br />
Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
<br />
:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
<br />
:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there shold be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly.<br />
<br />
I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
<br />
<br />
== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
<br />
Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waist my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
<br />
== Emma ==<br />
<br />
Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
<br />
Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Shadow_of_Death&diff=70974Talk:Shadow of Death2007-09-09T21:06:58Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>where the hell did sarah come from? left field? - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] sep 8, 2007<br />
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==Taylor==<br />
<br />
I think taylor was in this video, she was holding one of the cameras and she said "What are you doing here!?" when sarah showed up.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 19:01, 8 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
:To quote myself from the original revision summary:<br />
:{{quote|Renegade|I'm listing Taylor since she's among the tags, it's unlikely Sarah came alone, and I think I saw all the others on screen at once. Totally not sure, though.}}<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:07, 8 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::~ Incorrect. Taylor was not there. At the end, Sarah was holding the camera while everyone else ran. Nobody got shot.<br />
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==Shadow of Death==<br />
While it could be a ref to Megadeth, it could ALSO be a ref to Psalm 23... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 16:06, 9 September 2007 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=70479Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152007-09-07T06:10:43Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
<br />
Someone<br />
tell<br />
me<br />
how<br />
to<br />
put<br />
a<br />
video<br />
up!?<br />
<br />
== Wierd..... ==<br />
<br />
Who<br />
else<br />
has<br />
acsees<br />
to<br />
Brees<br />
YouTube<br />
account?<br />
<br />
== Outdating ==<br />
<br />
Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)</div>205.243.71.71http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=70051Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152007-09-05T06:28:00Z<p>205.243.71.71: </p>
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<div>Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
<br />
:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== Spencer ==<br />
<br />
If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
<br />
== Missions ==<br />
<br />
This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== OpAphid ==<br />
<br />
OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== Someone!!! ==<br />
<br />
Someone<br />
tell<br />
me<br />
how<br />
to<br />
put<br />
a<br />
video<br />
up!?<br />
<br />
== Wierd..... ==<br />
<br />
Who<br />
else<br />
has<br />
acsees<br />
to<br />
Brees<br />
YouTube<br />
account?<br />
<br />
== Outdating ==<br />
<br />
Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie</div>205.243.71.71