http://lg15.com/lgpedia/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Phisho&feedformat=atomLGPedia - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T23:56:48ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.24.2http://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Bray&diff=153151Talk:Bray2009-03-02T18:27:04Z<p>Phisho: New page: ==Pointing Out the Obvious== Well...the page is titled Bray, yet the page's content is, "Mitch is a character..." I've heard Mitch before, but never Bray. Any authoritative news? -~~~~</p>
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<div>==Pointing Out the Obvious==<br />
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Well...the page is titled Bray, yet the page's content is, "Mitch is a character..."<br />
<br />
I've heard Mitch before, but never Bray. Any authoritative news? -[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 12:27, 2 March 2009 (CST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=We_Are_the_Resistance&diff=146164We Are the Resistance2008-12-05T06:00:10Z<p>Phisho: Undo revision 146161 by 68.118.247.3 (Talk) "Be seeing you" was a line from the last video. what's wrong with this caption?</p>
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<div>{{Blog<br />
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| image = RES64-TheResistance.jpg<br />
| caption = Be ready for us!<br />
| blogger = Jonas<br />
| date = 20081203<br />
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| length = 1:10<br />
| description = We will not be stopped.<br />
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(''Jonas, Maggie, and Sarah are standing outside in a triangle formation, Jonas at the head, staring directly into the camera.'')<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' This is a warning. To those who live forever off the blood of innocents, to [[the Order]], to [[LifesBlood Labs]], and to anyone who stands with them: we’re coming for you.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' For decades now we have stood helpless, unable to do anything, while you’ve stolen our loved ones, families, friends – gone.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' This ends now.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' From this moment on, your power decreases exponentially.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' We will take everything from you until there’s nothing left but the hollow shell you’ve hidden under for too long…and then we’ll take that too.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' You’ve bullied us.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' Beaten us.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' Tried to kill us.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' But all this time, we have survived.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' We’ve grown stronger.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' The fight has been uneven.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' Starting tomorrow, your leverage becomes our leverage.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' Your strength – our strength.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' And our weakness will become your weakness.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' So run. Hide. Try to fight.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' But know that we will chase you.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' Find you.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' Fight you.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' And this time, we will win. We are the Resistance. (''Pause.'') We will not be stopped.<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
*Maggie's video on November 10th, 2008 is called [[We Are The Resistance]]. The only difference between her video and this one is that her video has a capital "T," and Jonas's video has a lowercase one.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=We_Are_the_Resistance&diff=146158We Are the Resistance2008-12-03T23:54:08Z<p>Phisho: /* Notes */</p>
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(''Jonas, Maggie, and Sarah are standing outside in a triangle formation, Jonas at the head, staring directly into the camera.'')<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' This is a warning. To those who live forever off the blood of innocents, to [[the Order]], to [[LifesBlood Labs]], and to anyone who stands with them: we’re coming for you.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' For decades now we have stood helpless, unable to do anything, while you’ve stolen our loved ones, families, friends – gone.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' This ends now.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' From this moment on, your power decreases exponentially.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' We will take everything from you until there’s nothing left but the hollow shell you’ve hidden under for too long…and then we’ll take that too.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' You’ve bullied us.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' Beaten us.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' Tried to kill us.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' But all this time, we have survived.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' We’ve grown stronger.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' The fight has been uneven.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' Starting tomorrow, your leverage becomes our leverage.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' Your strength – our strength.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' And our weakness will become your weakness.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' So run. Hide. Try to fight.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' But know that we will chase you.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' Find you.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' Fight you.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' And this time, we will win. We are the Resistance. (''Pause.'') We will not be stopped.<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
*Maggie's video on November 10th, 2008 is called [[We Are The Resistance]]. The only difference between her video and this one is that her video has a capital "T," and Jonas's video has a lowercase one.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=We_Are_the_Resistance&diff=146157We Are the Resistance2008-12-03T23:53:55Z<p>Phisho: /* Notes */</p>
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(''Jonas, Maggie, and Sarah are standing outside in a triangle formation, Jonas at the head, staring directly into the camera.'')<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' This is a warning. To those who live forever off the blood of innocents, to [[the Order]], to [[LifesBlood Labs]], and to anyone who stands with them: we’re coming for you.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' For decades now we have stood helpless, unable to do anything, while you’ve stolen our loved ones, families, friends – gone.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' This ends now.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' From this moment on, your power decreases exponentially.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' We will take everything from you until there’s nothing left but the hollow shell you’ve hidden under for too long…and then we’ll take that too.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' You’ve bullied us.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' Beaten us.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' Tried to kill us.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' But all this time, we have survived.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' We’ve grown stronger.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' The fight has been uneven.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' Starting tomorrow, your leverage becomes our leverage.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' Your strength – our strength.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' And our weakness will become your weakness.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' So run. Hide. Try to fight.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' But know that we will chase you.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' Find you.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' Fight you.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' And this time, we will win. We are the Resistance. (''Pause.'') We will not be stopped.<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
*Maggie's video on November 10th, 2008 is called [[We Are The Resistance.]] The only difference between her video and this one is that her video has a capital "T," and Jonas's video has a lowercase one.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=We_Are_the_Resistance&diff=146156We Are the Resistance2008-12-03T23:51:32Z<p>Phisho: transcript added</p>
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(''Jonas, Maggie, and Sarah are standing outside in a triangle formation, Jonas at the head, staring directly into the camera.'')<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' This is a warning. To those who live forever off the blood of innocents, to [[the Order]], to [[LifesBlood Labs]], and to anyone who stands with them: we’re coming for you.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' For decades now we have stood helpless, unable to do anything, while you’ve stolen our loved ones, families, friends – gone.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' This ends now.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' From this moment on, your power decreases exponentially.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' We will take everything from you until there’s nothing left but the hollow shell you’ve hidden under for too long…and then we’ll take that too.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' You’ve bullied us.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' Beaten us.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' Tried to kill us.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' But all this time, we have survived.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' We’ve grown stronger.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' The fight has been uneven.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' Starting tomorrow, your leverage becomes our leverage.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' Your strength – our strength.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' And our weakness will become your weakness.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' So run. Hide. Try to fight.<br />
<br />
'''Sarah:''' But know that we will chase you.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' Find you.<br />
<br />
'''Maggie:''' Fight you.<br />
<br />
'''Jonas:''' And this time, we will win. We are the Resistance. (''Pause.'') We will not be stopped.<br />
<br />
==Notes==</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Introducing_the_Lifesblood_Labs_Strandbox&diff=142669Introducing the Lifesblood Labs Strandbox2008-09-14T15:58:44Z<p>Phisho: /* Notes */ note about yt tag</p>
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| caption = Mmmmm... Blood.<br />
| blogger = LifesBlood Labs<br />
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| description = Introducing the next revolution in medical science presented by the fine people of Lifesblood Labs.<br />
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'''Introducing the Lifesblood Labs Strandbox''' is the ninth prologue video of [[LG15: The Resistance]].<br />
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(''Logo of LifesBlood Labs spins on the screen, and then the name of the company fades in under it. The video cuts to Leonard Alderman sitting at a desk.'')<br />
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'''Dr. Alderman:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialysis Dialysis] is daunting for any patient (''"Dr. Leonard J Alderman" fades in at the bottom of the screen.'') and every treatment has its share of case-specific complications. (''The text disappears.'') Yet, despite the ubiquitous nature of these challenges, no single solution has been offered to try and solve the problem…until now. (''Cuts to an illustrated rendering of a device as the camera zooms in.'') This is the first prototype of the [[Lifesblood Labs Strandbox]] (''Cuts to a close-up of the illustration as the camera pans up and to the left.''), a perfectly safe and secure dialysis device (''Cuts to another close-up of the illustration while the camera zooms out.'') for use with long-term patients and emergency procedures. (''Cuts to Dr. Alderman at his desk.'') While the basic concept is based upon nineteenth-century technology, it also draws from the best of the twenty-first century. Dedicated microprocessors appropriately locate the best veins and arteries, thus eliminating the need for a dangerous and painful [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arteriovenous_fistula arteriovenous fistula]. The Strandbox automatically guides the needles into the arm, thus guaranteeing less collapsed veins, minimal long-term effects, and less pain for the patient. (''Cuts to a closer shot of Dr. Alderman, still at his desk.'') This technology assures that the process of dialysis, no matter how intensive, is made comforting, quick, and painless. Best of all, less accidents and long-term injuries, (''Cuts to Dr. Alderman, up from his chair, walking around the rim of the desk.'') and that’s something we can all celebrate. The Strandbox is just another way that Lifesblood Labs is showing its dedication to the well-being of every man, woman, and child on earth. (''Cuts to a close-up of Dr. Alderman.'') Lifesblood Labs, the rest of your life begins now.<br />
<br />
(''Cuts to a reversed opening sequence.'')<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
* This video was filmed at [[EQAL|EQAL's]] offices.<br />
* This video was not posted on [[LG15.com]].<br />
* There seems to be a symbol on the inside of the dome of the strandbox silmilar to that used by the Hymn of None.<br />
*One of the [[Youtube]] tags for this video is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodletting phlebotomy], which Wikipedia defines as an ancient practice of taking large quantities of blood which would then be used to cure diseases.<br />
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[[Category:LG15: The Resistance videos]]</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Introducing_the_Lifesblood_Labs_Strandbox&diff=142554Introducing the Lifesblood Labs Strandbox2008-09-13T05:46:33Z<p>Phisho: /* Transcript */</p>
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| number = -1<br />
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| blogger = LifesBlood Labs<br />
| date = 20080912<br />
| url = {{youtube|opKmDZcwiZQ}}<br />
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| length = 1:46<br />
| description = Introducing the next revolution in medical science presented by the fine people of Lifesblood Labs.<br />
| location = [[LifesBlood Labs]]<br />
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'''Introducing the Lifesblood Labs Strandbox''' is the ninth prologue video of [[LG15: The Resistance]].<br />
<br />
==Transcript==<br />
<br />
(''Logo of LifesBlood Labs spins on the screen, and then the name of the company fades in under it. The video cuts to Leonard Alderman sitting at a desk.'')<br />
<br />
'''Dr. Alderman:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialysis Dialysis] is daunting for any patient (''"Dr. Leonard J Alderman" fades in at the bottom of the screen.'') and every treatment has its share of case-specific complications. (''The text disappears.'') Yet, despite the ubiquitous nature of these challenges, no single solution has been offered to try and solve the problem…until now. (''Cuts to an illustrated rendering of a device as the camera zooms in.'') This is the first prototype of the [[Lifesblood Labs Strandbox]] (''Cuts to a close-up of the illustration as the camera pans up and to the left.''), a perfectly safe and secure dialysis device (''Cuts to another close-up of the illustration while the camera zooms out.'') for use with long-term patients and emergency procedures. (''Cuts to Dr. Alderman at his desk.'') While the basic concept is based upon nineteenth-century technology, it also draws from the best of the twenty-first century. Dedicated microprocessors appropriately locate the best veins and arteries, thus eliminating the need for a dangerous and painful [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arteriovenous_fistula arteriovenous fistula]. The Strandbox automatically guides the needles into the arm, thus guaranteeing less collapsed veins, minimal long-term effects, and less pain for the patient. (''Cuts to a closer shot of Dr. Alderman, still at his desk.'') This technology assures that the process of dialysis, no matter how intensive, is made comforting, quick, and painless. Best of all, less accidents and long-term injuries, (''Cuts to Dr. Alderman, up from his chair, walking around the rim of the desk.'') and that’s something we can all celebrate. The Strandbox is just another way that Lifesblood Labs is showing its dedication to the well-being of every man, woman, and child on earth. (''Cuts to a close-up of Dr. Alderman.'') Lifesblood Labs, the rest of your life begins now.<br />
<br />
(''Cuts to a reversed opening sequence.'')<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
* This video was filmed at [[EQAL|EQAL's]] offices.<br />
* This video was not posted on [[LG15.com]].<br />
<br />
[[Category:LG15: The Resistance videos]]</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Introducing_the_Lifesblood_Labs_Strandbox&diff=142553Introducing the Lifesblood Labs Strandbox2008-09-13T05:41:46Z<p>Phisho: /* Transcript */</p>
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| date = 20080912<br />
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| length = 1:46<br />
| description = Introducing the next revolution in medical science presented by the fine people of Lifesblood Labs.<br />
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'''Introducing the Lifesblood Labs Strandbox''' is the ninth prologue video of [[LG15: The Resistance]].<br />
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==Transcript==<br />
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(''Logo of LifesBlood Labs spins on the screen, and then the name of the company fades in under it. The video cuts to Leonard Alderman sitting at a desk.'')<br />
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'''Dr. Alderman:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialysis Dialysis] is daunting for any patient (''"Dr. Leonard J Alderman" fades in at the bottom of the screen.'') and every treatment has its share of case-specific complications. (''The text disappears.'') Yet, despite the ubiquitous nature of these challenges, no single solution has been offered to try and solve the problem…until now. (''Cuts to an illustrated rendering of a device as the camera zooms in.'') This is the first prototype of the [[Lifesblood Labs Strandbox]] (''Cuts to a close-up of the illustration as the camera pans up and to the left.''), a perfectly safe and secure dialysis device (''Cuts to another close-up of the illustration while the camera zooms out.'') for use with long-term patients and emergency procedures. (''Cuts to Dr. Alderman at his desk.'') While the basic concept is based upon nineteenth-century technology, it also draws from the best of the twenty-first century. Dedicated microprocessors appropriately locate the best veins and arteries, thus eliminating the need for a dangerous and painful [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arteriovenous_fistula arteriovenous fistula]. The Strandbox automatically guides the needles into the arm, thus guaranteeing less collapsed veins, minimal long-term effects, and less pain for the patient. (''Cuts to a closer shot of Dr. Alderman, still at his desk.'') This technology assures that the process of dialysis, no matter how intensive, is made comforting, quick, and painless. Best of all, less accidents and long-term injuries, (''Cuts to Dr. Alderman, up from his chair, walking around the rim of the desk.'') and that’s something we can all celebrate. The Strandbox is just another way that Lifesblood Labs is showing its dedication to the well-being of every man, woman, and child on earth. (''Cuts to a close-up of Dr. Alderman'') Lifesblood Labs, the rest of your life begins now.<br />
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(''Cuts to a reversed opening sequence.'')<br />
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==Notes==<br />
* This video was filmed at [[EQAL|EQAL's]] offices.<br />
* This video was not posted on [[LG15.com]].<br />
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[[Category:LG15: The Resistance videos]]</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Introducing_the_Lifesblood_Labs_Strandbox&diff=142552Introducing the Lifesblood Labs Strandbox2008-09-13T05:40:48Z<p>Phisho: transcript (My first!) and notes stolen straight from the last video. If someone could create a page for the Strandbox, that'd be great, I went ahead and linked to it.</p>
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'''Introducing the Lifesblood Labs Strandbox''' is the ninth prologue video of [[LG15: The Resistance]].<br />
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==Transcript==<br />
<br />
(''Logo of LifesBlood Labs spins on the screen, and then the name of the company fades in under it. The video cuts to Leonard Alderman sitting at a desk.'')<br />
<br />
'''Dr. Alderman:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialysis Dialysis] is daunting for any patient (''Dr. Leonard J Alderman fades in at the bottom of the screen.'') and every treatment has its share of case-specific complications. (''The text disappears.'') Yet, despite the ubiquitous nature of these challenges, no single solution has been offered to try and solve the problem…until now. (''Cuts to an illustrated rendering of a device as the camera zooms in.'') This is the first prototype of the [[Lifesblood Labs Strandbox]] (''Cuts to a close-up of the illustration as the camera pans up and to the left.''), a perfectly safe and secure dialysis device (''Cuts to another close-up of the illustration while the camera zooms out.'') for use with long-term patients and emergency procedures. (''Cuts to Dr. Alderman at his desk.'') While the basic concept is based upon nineteenth-century technology, it also draws from the best of the twenty-first century. Dedicated microprocessors appropriately locate the best veins and arteries, thus eliminating the need for a dangerous and painful [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arteriovenous_fistula arteriovenous fistula]. The Strandbox automatically guides the needles into the arm, thus guaranteeing less collapsed veins, minimal long-term effects, and less pain for the patient. (''Cuts to a closer shot of Dr. Alderman, still at his desk.'') This technology assures that the process of dialysis, no matter how intensive, is made comforting, quick, and painless. Best of all, less accidents and long-term injuries, (''Cuts to Dr. Alderman, up from his chair, walking around the rim of the desk.'') and that’s something we can all celebrate. The Strandbox is just another way that Lifesblood Labs is showing its dedication to the well-being of every man, woman, and child on earth. (''Cuts to a close-up of Dr. Alderman'') Lifesblood Labs, the rest of your life begins now.<br />
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(''Cuts to a reversed opening sequence.'')<br />
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==Notes==<br />
* This video was filmed at [[EQAL|EQAL's]] offices.<br />
* This video was not posted on [[LG15.com]].<br />
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[[Category:LG15: The Resistance videos]]</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=139575Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-08-05T04:32:46Z<p>Phisho: </p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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Someone<br />
tell<br />
me<br />
how<br />
to<br />
put<br />
a<br />
video<br />
up!?<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
<br />
This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah <br><br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br />
::::*Zoey<br />
::::*Phisho<br />
::::*Jonpro<br />
::::*Milowent<br />
::::*LimePenguin<br />
::::*KindredPhantom<br />
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::::*FH14<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br />
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br />
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br />
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br />
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br />
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::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br />
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::<small>@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.</small><br />
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:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br />
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::How is it not true?<br />
::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a "good consensus" on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''<br />
::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''<br />
::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.<br />
::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: "Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy." - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.<br />
::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.<br />
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.<br />
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?<br />
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of "cropping this shit until it fits", the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. <br />
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.<br />
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?<br />
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::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.<br />
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.<br />
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.<br />
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!<br />
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the "1,111+" members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. <br />
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing "exactly as the administration wanted," but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn't quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how "the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do." Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say "You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.". Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.<br />
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they'll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get to Spencer's page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.<br />
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::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?<br />
::::::::Then how come you haven't decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?<br />
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?<br />
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?<br />
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::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it ''right now''.<br />
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with ''actual'' deadlines.<br />
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::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don't like the answer, tough luck. I don't care enough to fix your problems for you.<br />
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::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration's bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only "major" contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.<br />
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?<br />
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.<br />
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.<br />
::::::::...eight small pictures of ''whom''?<br />
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.<br />
::::::::So. Let's say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn't revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode<br />
::::::::...who will be in those spots?<br />
::::::::...based on whose decision?<br />
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::::::::You are telling me ''in bold'' that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15's left column will be one box longer<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor's Jumper adventures<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week<br />
::::::::And that's just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. <br />
::::::::All you have is "8 small". You have managed to follow the administration's lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.<br />
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::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)<br />
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::::::::You wanna play "OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!"? Then you better get to work. 'cause you have three days to create an entire site!<br />
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only ''decided upon'' 8 small icons. You haven't actually ''implemented'' it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.<br />
::::::::You don't have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have ''nothing'' that meets the deadline of doom.<br />
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::::::::And you don't seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it's soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more ''work'' here.<br />
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::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.<br />
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:::::::::Don't tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There's no room for personal attacks here. I'm not trying to fight you, so there's no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I'm concerned with the character row. If there's another discussion somewhere, I'll contribute to that too, but right now, I'm focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was..."Who's going to be in it?" Well...<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}<br />
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:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven't already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::::So wait...you're trying to convince me that it's rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You're trying to pretend it's already settled, then ask people for more opinions?<br />
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.<br />
::::::::::Either you're done, or you're not done. If you're not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you're not done. If you're done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don't have time to discuss this - you're on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)<br />
::::::::::You can't pretend I'm wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.<br />
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have ''not'' made a final decision yet.<br />
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::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you'll miss this one - at least assuming you don't decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.<br />
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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Well, shouldn't someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don't care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven't discussed what pictures to use and we don't even have an example of what it will look like. I'd make one but don't know how and probably don't have time. And Ren, if you'd have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you'd been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to "clear your name". Why don't you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Perhaps because the two aren't equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Murder?! Somebody's being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it's otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we'll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren't contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there's absolutely no reason why we wouldn't make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Hmm...I can't say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let's make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Okay um... how about...<br />
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[[Image:0420-GinaDaniel.JPG|150px]] [[Image:0425-Gina2.jpg|150px]] [[Image:0471-RoundtheLaptop.jpg|150px]]<br />
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Any of those? I'll keep looking, that's just what I saw first. (Personally I like the one with Gina drawing. It was such a big deal... her drawings and all. And it's a nice picture.) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:16, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::It (the second picture, with Gina drawing) is a nice picture, and it matches the other season pictures. I like it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:33, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Sorry for the double-edit, but I also really like this one. {{clr}} [[Image:0467-Gina_cries-none.jpg|150px]]<br />
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::If you look on the main page, the picture of Bree has her with her head on her knee, and she looks worried. Emma looks worried in the Season 2 picture, and to have a picture of Gina crying would be sort of symbolic, I suppose. Thoughts? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Personally I like the one of her drawing, I don't think we need everyone looking depressed. In fact, now that you mention it, what about replacing the Bree one with one of these (I like the first best, I think)? Otherwise I do still really like the First Blog pic, so I'm fine keeping that. I'm just trying to think of something... happier?<br />
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:::Just my thoughts though, lets see what other people say! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:59, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I like the one of her drawing, definitely think we should use that one. I agree about not liking the B&W pic. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:20, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I tested out the Bree pix, and I really like the first one, but I think it's weird with Bree and Emma both having P Monkey.. it seems off balance without Gina having him. So I think as far as that is concerned we should either keep the current Bree or if we replace Bree, we should replace Emma as well. However, I kind of like the current Bree and the current Emma, so yeah. Also, I'll wait 'til tomorrow, otherwise I'll go ahead and update the Season 3 pic to the one of Gina drawing. :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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EDIT: Ahh I think I've got it. What do you think: [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:46, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:No complaints here! Thanks, Zoey. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:29, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the portal*<br><br />
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at previous statements*<br><br />
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the date*<br><br />
Guess we're all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Forum Link==<br />
Now that it's removed from the side bar, shouldn't there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Added.--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Character Row Updates ==<br />
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Since the creators included Maxwell Glick as a starring actor in the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=676 credits], should we considering adding Spencer to the main characters row? Also: they listed Alexandra before Becki (which is true, in order of ''official'' appearance), so should we switch those two around as well? It just makes sense to me to use what the Creators established in the credits video. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:55, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Eh, they also listed DelMundo and PharmaGuy as recurring, and they aren't listed that way on our page. I think the way we have it now is fine, personally. I mean, Spencer appeared in nearly 40 less videos than the lowest main character (Gina). I think that's a pretty clear line there. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Maybe we should consider changing those too, then? Ha ha - sorry, not trying to be complicated, I just '''love''' consistency. I know it was decided that eight characters would be in the row, but I wanted to point it out anyways, in case we wanted to make a change to agree with the Creators. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]]<br />
:::Oh, that seems silly to me. They didn't list everyone who's ever been in the crew, but we're not updating our pages to disclude anyone for consistency. Our method is solid, my vote is to stick with it. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:48, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::You make a good point. If anyone else wants to stand up for Spencer, I'll support them... but for now, I'm content with the way it is. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:51, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::For the record, I'm a nut for consistency too :P --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:53, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::I noticed that too, and came straight here...and a discussion was already underway! I don't see Spencer as a main character at all, but I'm also a nut for consistency. I could be swayed both ways, but..."if it ain't broke, don't fix it," right? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:29, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Capitalization==<br />
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I've been meaning to bring this up for a while, but I keep forgetting. The show's technically called "lonelygirl15," with a lowercase ''l'' since that's how Bree's youtube account was created, right? Well...there are multiple instances of the ''l'' being capitalized on the Portal page, and I'm sure that there are instances elsewhere in the 'pedia. Is that something a bot could fix? I don't exactly know how to do that. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:32, 4 August 2008 (CDT)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=139574Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-08-05T04:29:10Z<p>Phisho: </p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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Someone<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah <br><br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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I agree!<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Phisho, 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST) |So, '''there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus''' that 8 smaller pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option?}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br />
::::*Zoey<br />
::::*Phisho<br />
::::*Jonpro<br />
::::*Milowent<br />
::::*LimePenguin<br />
::::*KindredPhantom<br />
::::*Bobby G<br />
::::*FH14<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br />
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br />
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br />
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br />
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br />
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::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br />
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::<small>@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.</small><br />
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:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br />
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::How is it not true?<br />
::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a "good consensus" on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''<br />
::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''<br />
::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.<br />
::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: "Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy." - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.<br />
::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.<br />
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.<br />
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?<br />
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of "cropping this shit until it fits", the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. <br />
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.<br />
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?<br />
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::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.<br />
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.<br />
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.<br />
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!<br />
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the "1,111+" members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. <br />
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing "exactly as the administration wanted," but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn't quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how "the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do." Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say "You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.". Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.<br />
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they'll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get to Spencer's page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.<br />
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::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?<br />
::::::::Then how come you haven't decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?<br />
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?<br />
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?<br />
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::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it ''right now''.<br />
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with ''actual'' deadlines.<br />
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::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don't like the answer, tough luck. I don't care enough to fix your problems for you.<br />
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::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration's bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only "major" contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.<br />
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?<br />
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.<br />
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.<br />
::::::::...eight small pictures of ''whom''?<br />
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.<br />
::::::::So. Let's say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn't revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode<br />
::::::::...who will be in those spots?<br />
::::::::...based on whose decision?<br />
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::::::::You are telling me ''in bold'' that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15's left column will be one box longer<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor's Jumper adventures<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week<br />
::::::::And that's just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. <br />
::::::::All you have is "8 small". You have managed to follow the administration's lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.<br />
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::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)<br />
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::::::::You wanna play "OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!"? Then you better get to work. 'cause you have three days to create an entire site!<br />
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only ''decided upon'' 8 small icons. You haven't actually ''implemented'' it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.<br />
::::::::You don't have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have ''nothing'' that meets the deadline of doom.<br />
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::::::::And you don't seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it's soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more ''work'' here.<br />
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::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.<br />
:::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::::Don't tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There's no room for personal attacks here. I'm not trying to fight you, so there's no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I'm concerned with the character row. If there's another discussion somewhere, I'll contribute to that too, but right now, I'm focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was..."Who's going to be in it?" Well...<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}<br />
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:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven't already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::::So wait...you're trying to convince me that it's rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You're trying to pretend it's already settled, then ask people for more opinions?<br />
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.<br />
::::::::::Either you're done, or you're not done. If you're not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you're not done. If you're done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don't have time to discuss this - you're on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)<br />
::::::::::You can't pretend I'm wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.<br />
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have ''not'' made a final decision yet.<br />
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::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you'll miss this one - at least assuming you don't decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.<br />
:::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 30 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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Well, shouldn't someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don't care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven't discussed what pictures to use and we don't even have an example of what it will look like. I'd make one but don't know how and probably don't have time. And Ren, if you'd have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you'd been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to "clear your name". Why don't you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Perhaps because the two aren't equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Murder?! Somebody's being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it's otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we'll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren't contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there's absolutely no reason why we wouldn't make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Hmm...I can't say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let's make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Okay um... how about...<br />
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[[Image:0420-GinaDaniel.JPG|150px]] [[Image:0425-Gina2.jpg|150px]] [[Image:0471-RoundtheLaptop.jpg|150px]]<br />
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Any of those? I'll keep looking, that's just what I saw first. (Personally I like the one with Gina drawing. It was such a big deal... her drawings and all. And it's a nice picture.) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:16, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::It (the second picture, with Gina drawing) is a nice picture, and it matches the other season pictures. I like it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:33, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Sorry for the double-edit, but I also really like this one. {{clr}} [[Image:0467-Gina_cries-none.jpg|150px]]<br />
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::If you look on the main page, the picture of Bree has her with her head on her knee, and she looks worried. Emma looks worried in the Season 2 picture, and to have a picture of Gina crying would be sort of symbolic, I suppose. Thoughts? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Personally I like the one of her drawing, I don't think we need everyone looking depressed. In fact, now that you mention it, what about replacing the Bree one with one of these (I like the first best, I think)? Otherwise I do still really like the First Blog pic, so I'm fine keeping that. I'm just trying to think of something... happier?<br />
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::::[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|150px]] [[Image:Breee.JPG|150px]]<br />
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:::Just my thoughts though, lets see what other people say! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:59, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I like the one of her drawing, definitely think we should use that one. I agree about not liking the B&W pic. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:20, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I tested out the Bree pix, and I really like the first one, but I think it's weird with Bree and Emma both having P Monkey.. it seems off balance without Gina having him. So I think as far as that is concerned we should either keep the current Bree or if we replace Bree, we should replace Emma as well. However, I kind of like the current Bree and the current Emma, so yeah. Also, I'll wait 'til tomorrow, otherwise I'll go ahead and update the Season 3 pic to the one of Gina drawing. :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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EDIT: Ahh I think I've got it. What do you think: [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:46, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:No complaints here! Thanks, Zoey. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:29, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the portal*<br><br />
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at previous statements*<br><br />
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the date*<br><br />
Guess we're all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Forum Link==<br />
Now that it's removed from the side bar, shouldn't there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Added.--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Character Row Updates ==<br />
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Since the creators included Maxwell Glick as a starring actor in the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=676 credits], should we considering adding Spencer to the main characters row? Also: they listed Alexandra before Becki (which is true, in order of ''official'' appearance), so should we switch those two around as well? It just makes sense to me to use what the Creators established in the credits video. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:55, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Eh, they also listed DelMundo and PharmaGuy as recurring, and they aren't listed that way on our page. I think the way we have it now is fine, personally. I mean, Spencer appeared in nearly 40 less videos than the lowest main character (Gina). I think that's a pretty clear line there. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Maybe we should consider changing those too, then? Ha ha - sorry, not trying to be complicated, I just '''love''' consistency. I know it was decided that eight characters would be in the row, but I wanted to point it out anyways, in case we wanted to make a change to agree with the Creators. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]]<br />
:::Oh, that seems silly to me. They didn't list everyone who's ever been in the crew, but we're not updating our pages to disclude anyone for consistency. Our method is solid, my vote is to stick with it. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:48, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::You make a good point. If anyone else wants to stand up for Spencer, I'll support them... but for now, I'm content with the way it is. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:51, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::For the record, I'm a nut for consistency too :P --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:53, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::I noticed that too, and came straight here...and a discussion was already underway! I don't see Spencer as a main character at all, but I'm also a nut for consistency. I could be swayed both ways, but..."if it ain't broke, don't fix it," right? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:29, 4 August 2008 (CDT)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=139471Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-08-04T04:39:48Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br />
::::*Zoey<br />
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::::*Jonpro<br />
::::*Milowent<br />
::::*LimePenguin<br />
::::*KindredPhantom<br />
::::*Bobby G<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br />
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br />
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br />
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br />
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br />
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::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br />
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::<small>@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.</small><br />
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:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br />
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::How is it not true?<br />
::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a "good consensus" on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''<br />
::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''<br />
::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.<br />
::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: "Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy." - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.<br />
::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.<br />
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.<br />
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?<br />
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of "cropping this shit until it fits", the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. <br />
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.<br />
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?<br />
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::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.<br />
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.<br />
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.<br />
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!<br />
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the "1,111+" members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. <br />
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing "exactly as the administration wanted," but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn't quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how "the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do." Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say "You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.". Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.<br />
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they'll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get to Spencer's page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.<br />
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::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?<br />
::::::::Then how come you haven't decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?<br />
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?<br />
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?<br />
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::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it ''right now''.<br />
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with ''actual'' deadlines.<br />
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::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don't like the answer, tough luck. I don't care enough to fix your problems for you.<br />
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::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration's bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only "major" contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.<br />
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?<br />
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.<br />
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.<br />
::::::::...eight small pictures of ''whom''?<br />
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.<br />
::::::::So. Let's say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn't revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode<br />
::::::::...who will be in those spots?<br />
::::::::...based on whose decision?<br />
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::::::::You are telling me ''in bold'' that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15's left column will be one box longer<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor's Jumper adventures<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week<br />
::::::::And that's just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. <br />
::::::::All you have is "8 small". You have managed to follow the administration's lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.<br />
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::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)<br />
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::::::::You wanna play "OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!"? Then you better get to work. 'cause you have three days to create an entire site!<br />
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only ''decided upon'' 8 small icons. You haven't actually ''implemented'' it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.<br />
::::::::You don't have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have ''nothing'' that meets the deadline of doom.<br />
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::::::::And you don't seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it's soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more ''work'' here.<br />
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::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.<br />
:::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::::Don't tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There's no room for personal attacks here. I'm not trying to fight you, so there's no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I'm concerned with the character row. If there's another discussion somewhere, I'll contribute to that too, but right now, I'm focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was..."Who's going to be in it?" Well...<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}<br />
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:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven't already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::::So wait...you're trying to convince me that it's rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You're trying to pretend it's already settled, then ask people for more opinions?<br />
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.<br />
::::::::::Either you're done, or you're not done. If you're not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you're not done. If you're done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don't have time to discuss this - you're on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)<br />
::::::::::You can't pretend I'm wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.<br />
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have ''not'' made a final decision yet.<br />
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::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you'll miss this one - at least assuming you don't decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.<br />
:::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 30 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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Well, shouldn't someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don't care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven't discussed what pictures to use and we don't even have an example of what it will look like. I'd make one but don't know how and probably don't have time. And Ren, if you'd have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you'd been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to "clear your name". Why don't you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Perhaps because the two aren't equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Murder?! Somebody's being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it's otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we'll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren't contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there's absolutely no reason why we wouldn't make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Hmm...I can't say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let's make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Okay um... how about...<br />
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[[Image:0420-GinaDaniel.JPG|150px]] [[Image:0425-Gina2.jpg|150px]] [[Image:0471-RoundtheLaptop.jpg|150px]]<br />
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Any of those? I'll keep looking, that's just what I saw first. (Personally I like the one with Gina drawing. It was such a big deal... her drawings and all. And it's a nice picture.) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:16, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::It (the second picture, with Gina drawing) is a nice picture, and it matches the other season pictures. I like it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:33, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Sorry for the double-edit, but I also really like this one. {{clr}} [[Image:0467-Gina_cries-none.jpg|150px]]<br />
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::If you look on the main page, the picture of Bree has her with her head on her knee, and she looks worried. Emma looks worried in the Season 2 picture, and to have a picture of Gina crying would be sort of symbolic, I suppose. Thoughts? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the portal*<br><br />
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at previous statements*<br><br />
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the date*<br><br />
Guess we're all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Forum Link==<br />
Now that it's removed from the side bar, shouldn't there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=139470Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-08-04T04:33:04Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
<br />
Someone<br />
tell<br />
me<br />
how<br />
to<br />
put<br />
a<br />
video<br />
up!?<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
<br />
This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah <br><br />
::::::::Taylor Emma Jennie Gina<br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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I agree!<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br />
::::*Zoey<br />
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::::*LimePenguin<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br />
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br />
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br />
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br />
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br />
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::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br />
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::<small>@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.</small><br />
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:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br />
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::How is it not true?<br />
::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a "good consensus" on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''<br />
::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''<br />
::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.<br />
::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: "Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy." - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.<br />
::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.<br />
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.<br />
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?<br />
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of "cropping this shit until it fits", the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. <br />
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.<br />
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?<br />
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::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.<br />
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.<br />
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.<br />
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!<br />
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the "1,111+" members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. <br />
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing "exactly as the administration wanted," but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn't quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how "the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do." Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say "You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.". Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.<br />
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they'll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get to Spencer's page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.<br />
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::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?<br />
::::::::Then how come you haven't decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?<br />
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?<br />
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?<br />
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::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it ''right now''.<br />
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with ''actual'' deadlines.<br />
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::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don't like the answer, tough luck. I don't care enough to fix your problems for you.<br />
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::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration's bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only "major" contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.<br />
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?<br />
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.<br />
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.<br />
::::::::...eight small pictures of ''whom''?<br />
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.<br />
::::::::So. Let's say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn't revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode<br />
::::::::...who will be in those spots?<br />
::::::::...based on whose decision?<br />
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::::::::You are telling me ''in bold'' that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15's left column will be one box longer<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor's Jumper adventures<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week<br />
::::::::And that's just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. <br />
::::::::All you have is "8 small". You have managed to follow the administration's lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.<br />
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::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)<br />
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::::::::You wanna play "OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!"? Then you better get to work. 'cause you have three days to create an entire site!<br />
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only ''decided upon'' 8 small icons. You haven't actually ''implemented'' it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.<br />
::::::::You don't have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have ''nothing'' that meets the deadline of doom.<br />
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::::::::And you don't seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it's soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more ''work'' here.<br />
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::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.<br />
:::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::::Don't tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There's no room for personal attacks here. I'm not trying to fight you, so there's no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I'm concerned with the character row. If there's another discussion somewhere, I'll contribute to that too, but right now, I'm focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was..."Who's going to be in it?" Well...<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}<br />
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:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven't already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::::So wait...you're trying to convince me that it's rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You're trying to pretend it's already settled, then ask people for more opinions?<br />
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.<br />
::::::::::Either you're done, or you're not done. If you're not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you're not done. If you're done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don't have time to discuss this - you're on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)<br />
::::::::::You can't pretend I'm wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.<br />
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have ''not'' made a final decision yet.<br />
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::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you'll miss this one - at least assuming you don't decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.<br />
:::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 30 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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Well, shouldn't someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don't care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven't discussed what pictures to use and we don't even have an example of what it will look like. I'd make one but don't know how and probably don't have time. And Ren, if you'd have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you'd been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to "clear your name". Why don't you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Perhaps because the two aren't equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Murder?! Somebody's being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it's otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we'll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren't contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there's absolutely no reason why we wouldn't make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Hmm...I can't say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let's make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Okay um... how about...<br />
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[[Image:0420-GinaDaniel.JPG|150px]] [[Image:0425-Gina2.jpg|150px]] [[Image:0471-RoundtheLaptop.jpg|150px]]<br />
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Any of those? I'll keep looking, that's just what I saw first. (Personally I like the one with Gina drawing. It was such a big deal... her drawings and all. And it's a nice picture.) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:16, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::It (the second picture, with Gina drawing) is a nice picture, and it matches the other season pictures. I like it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:33, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the portal*<br><br />
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at previous statements*<br><br />
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the date*<br><br />
Guess we're all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Forum Link==<br />
Now that it's removed from the side bar, shouldn't there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=139452Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-08-04T01:08:15Z<p>Phisho: </p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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Someone<br />
tell<br />
me<br />
how<br />
to<br />
put<br />
a<br />
video<br />
up!?<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah <br><br />
::::::::Taylor Emma Jennie Gina<br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br />
::::*Zoey<br />
::::*Phisho<br />
::::*Jonpro<br />
::::*Milowent<br />
::::*LimePenguin<br />
::::*KindredPhantom<br />
::::*Bobby G<br />
::::*FH14<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br />
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br />
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br />
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br />
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br />
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::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br />
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::<small>@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.</small><br />
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:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br />
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::How is it not true?<br />
::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a "good consensus" on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''<br />
::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''<br />
::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.<br />
::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: "Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy." - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.<br />
::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.<br />
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.<br />
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?<br />
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of "cropping this shit until it fits", the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. <br />
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.<br />
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?<br />
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::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.<br />
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.<br />
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.<br />
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!<br />
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the "1,111+" members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. <br />
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing "exactly as the administration wanted," but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn't quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how "the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do." Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say "You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.". Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.<br />
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they'll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get to Spencer's page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.<br />
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::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?<br />
::::::::Then how come you haven't decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?<br />
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?<br />
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?<br />
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::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it ''right now''.<br />
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with ''actual'' deadlines.<br />
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::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don't like the answer, tough luck. I don't care enough to fix your problems for you.<br />
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::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration's bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only "major" contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.<br />
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?<br />
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.<br />
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.<br />
::::::::...eight small pictures of ''whom''?<br />
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.<br />
::::::::So. Let's say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn't revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode<br />
::::::::...who will be in those spots?<br />
::::::::...based on whose decision?<br />
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::::::::You are telling me ''in bold'' that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15's left column will be one box longer<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor's Jumper adventures<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week<br />
::::::::And that's just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. <br />
::::::::All you have is "8 small". You have managed to follow the administration's lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.<br />
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::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)<br />
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::::::::You wanna play "OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!"? Then you better get to work. 'cause you have three days to create an entire site!<br />
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only ''decided upon'' 8 small icons. You haven't actually ''implemented'' it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.<br />
::::::::You don't have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have ''nothing'' that meets the deadline of doom.<br />
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::::::::And you don't seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it's soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more ''work'' here.<br />
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::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.<br />
:::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::::Don't tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There's no room for personal attacks here. I'm not trying to fight you, so there's no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I'm concerned with the character row. If there's another discussion somewhere, I'll contribute to that too, but right now, I'm focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was..."Who's going to be in it?" Well...<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}<br />
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:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven't already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::::So wait...you're trying to convince me that it's rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You're trying to pretend it's already settled, then ask people for more opinions?<br />
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.<br />
::::::::::Either you're done, or you're not done. If you're not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you're not done. If you're done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don't have time to discuss this - you're on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)<br />
::::::::::You can't pretend I'm wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.<br />
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have ''not'' made a final decision yet.<br />
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::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you'll miss this one - at least assuming you don't decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.<br />
:::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 30 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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Well, shouldn't someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don't care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven't discussed what pictures to use and we don't even have an example of what it will look like. I'd make one but don't know how and probably don't have time. And Ren, if you'd have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you'd been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to "clear your name". Why don't you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Perhaps because the two aren't equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Murder?! Somebody's being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it's otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we'll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren't contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there's absolutely no reason why we wouldn't make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Hmm...I can't say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let's make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the portal*<br><br />
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at previous statements*<br><br />
<nowiki>*</nowiki>looks at the date*<br><br />
Guess we're all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Forum Link==<br />
Now that it's removed from the side bar, shouldn't there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=12:00_PM&diff=13881412:00 PM2008-08-01T20:44:59Z<p>Phisho: </p>
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| number = 539<br />
| image = 0539-TaylorOnBeach.JPG<br />
| caption = Water?! Uh-oh!<br />
| blogger = Taylor<br />
| date = 20080801<br />
| url = {{lg15|665}}<br />
| forumid = 18288<br />
| length = 0:34<br />
| description = We're trying to get to the equipment boat but they found us!!<br />
| location = [[Beaches|Mexico]]<br />
| tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|danielbeast|daniel|jonastko|jonas|sarah|taylor|jennie|grand ascension|season finale|to the boat}} <br />
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(''An unknown person holding the camera is running down a beach with Taylor.'')<br />
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'''Taylor:''' Come on! Hurry! ''(Stops running)'' They must have tracked my cell phone when I sent the blueprints or something.<br />
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'''Unknown:''' You sent them?<br />
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'''Taylor:''' Shut up! Like you would have thought of anything better.<br />
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'''Unknown:''' Taylor, look!<br />
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(''Camera turns to show a man dressed in black walking up from the beach.'')<br />
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'''Taylor:''' They're not following us. We gotta get on that boat. Caught your breath yet?<br />
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'''Unknown:''' Uh-huh.<br />
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'''Taylor:''' Come on! ''(Continues running down beach)'' <br />
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==Notes==<br />
*This video is part six of [[The Ascension]], the [[lonelygirl15]] series finale.<br />
*At the time of this video post, there was a lot of speculation over the identity of the person holding the camera, most saying it is either [[Spencer]] or [[Jerry]]<br />
*This video takes place near [[water]]</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:Malan70&diff=138804User talk:Malan702008-08-01T19:43:48Z<p>Phisho: </p>
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<div>Welcome to my talk page! I don't know what I've screwed up on, but I'm sure you'll let me know. This is the place to do it.--[[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 19:27, 7 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:LOL, you're funny (<small>referring to what you wrote above</small>), just wanted to say thanks for your help :D [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:11, 8 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Re: Portal Redesign to Get Rid of Gina ==<br />
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I started a discussion about having Gina on the character row [[Talk:Portal:Lonelygirl15|here]]. Feel free to share your thoughts.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:20, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==LGS422==<br />
I nominated the [[LordGreystoke422]] page for deletion. Thanks for pointing it out. (for future reference, use [[Template:delete]] when nominating an article for deletion). Happy Editing :) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 09 June 2008 (EST)<br />
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==Hardwork Metal, etc.==<br />
Thanks so much! I worked hard on it so that means a lot to me. :) And maybe I'll get one someday, but there's no rush. Thanks for the recognition though! I appreciate it. [[User:Foreigncandle|Foreigncandle]] 16:29, 24 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Re: Vandal ==<br />
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Hey, thanks for letting me know about the vandal. For future reference, it's probably not necessary to put something on every admin's talk page when someone vandalizes. Just let one of us know (I for one one would probably see it in [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] if you let another admin know) or add {{tl|spambot}} to their user page if that's applicable. You can also warn them on their talk page with {{tl|vandal}}. Thanks again for reverting the edit and letting us know. Your help around here is much appreciated.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:41, 26 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Re: I Have a Confession..? ==<br />
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I spent a lot of time working on the transcript of I Have a Confession and even had to rewrite it once, and I realize that someone had vandalized the page, however I edited it after the vandal. So I'm thinking someone vandalized it again? Because I put a lot of work into it, and I'm feeling kind of bummed out. :(<br />
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<small>[[User:Xo vanessa anne|Xo vanessa anne]] 11:59, 27 June 2008 (CDT)</small><br />
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== Capitals and Lowercases ==<br />
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Hey! I'm glad you're doing the majority of the work for the finale pages! But, on your notes, you put "This video is part x of The Ascension, the ''L''onelygirl15 series finale." Remember that the show is technically called ''l''onelygirl15, with a lowercase "l." I've already edited through 12:00pm. :) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 14:43, 1 August 2008 (CDT)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=2:00_AM&diff=1387972:00 AM2008-08-01T19:39:12Z<p>Phisho: </p>
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<div>{{Blog<br />
| name = {{PAGENAME}}<br />
| number = 534<br />
| image = LG534-Sarahshand.jpg<br />
| caption = There seems to be no paper on this big boat!<br />
| blogger = Sarah<br />
| date = 20080801<br />
| url = {{lg15|659}}<br />
| forumid = 18258<br />
| length = 2:02<br />
| description = I'm on a ship. Please hurry. I need to do something to stop the ascension. I think these are the coordinates for where we're headed. Latitude 30.2875 Longitude -116.1475 I'll try to log into chat on http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15. Meet me there.<br />
| location = [[S.S. Hathor's Song]]<br />
| tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|bree|danielbeast|jonastko|jennie|eclipse|the|order|sarah}} <br />
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(''Camera shows the moon shining down on the nighttime sea. A 2:00 AM time sticker appears in the corner.'')<br />
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(''Camera pans back to reveal the deck of a boat. The camera explores to reveal that it is a large cruise ship, but it shows no sign of human life beyond some lit lights. The camera focuses on a dark corner of the ship, where Sarah turns the camera on herself.'')<br />
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'''Sarah:''' (''catching breath'') I screwed up. I would've done it different if I could've. They've got [[Jonas]], he's tied up somewhere. Everyone's here: [[Taylor and Sarah's parents|my dad]], [[Lord Carruthers|Carruthers]], everyone. And the eclipse, the ascension, it's all happening soon. I know you guys don't trust me, you think I'm gonna- (''Pauses and shakes her head.'') I just- I'm- I'm on a boat. And it's big. They have medical supplies aboard. I don't know if you can get here in time but please try. And there's this other thing, okay, Carruther's prophecy, there's a second part. (''Holds up her hand with writing on it. Takes it down and reads off of it.'') He born of opposition is the key to downfall. He must be destroyed upon the holy day sacrifice. (''Looks up.'') Remember. Elders will fall when the sun rises. It's Jonas. They're going to kill him after the ascension. I have the ship's coordinates, but we're heading out to sea soon and I don't know where we're going, but the eclipse is in a few hours so we can't be far. And [[Daniel]], no matter what happens, no matter how this ends... You have to know that I love you. Please Hurry. They're going to know it was me.<br />
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(''Cut to black.'')<br />
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==Chat==<br />
As promised, Sarah joined chat on August 1st shortly after 2:00 AM PDT. The log below is color-coded to highlight Sara's lines, as well as lines Sarah referenced. The full log can be found [[2:00 AM/Full chatlog]].<br />
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* Traveler14 has joined #lg15chat <br />
* Traveler14 is now known as skyisempty <br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> hey}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> so...}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> this has to be quick}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> i only have a sec}}<br />
<Traveler81> which is sarah<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> did my vid post?}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> do you know where i am?}}<br />
<ThatFreakinRandy> You're on the SS Hathors Song<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> i have to act quickly}}<br />
<Liv> Coast of Baja California?<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> ok then maybe daniel can make it}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> but if not, then i have to do something myself}}<br />
<Traveler63> is it gettig bright out?<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> no it's dark}}<br />
<ThatFreakinRandy> Sarah, We need to know what you see!<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> oh shit hold on}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> jnbfnejiopjbvs}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> d;p9euoaw repd09fyhn 239}}<br />
<ThatFreakinRandy> Sarah!<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> shit}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> ok what shd i do???}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> there are ppl everywhere}}<br />
<lyriclyinclined> sarah have you cleaned your bellybutton lately?<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> if you don't want to take this seriously then i'll leave}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> i'm scared and worried}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> i came here for help}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> i know i messed up but still...}}<br />
<Carolien> can you get jonas out of there?<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> i don't know carolien}}<br />
<lala_loveee> You really didn't have another choice, y'know?<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> but have to try}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> exactly lala}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> look there here on the boat for the ceremony}}<br />
<kmmanofakind> Is there many people on the ship Sarah?<br />
<Liv> Ceremony?<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> yes}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> the asension}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> but it's... i think it's the same as the others}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> and they're going to kill jonas}}<br />
<ThatFreakinRandy> We need your help.<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> but what shd i do randy/!}}<br />
<Liv> You have to create a diversion somehow.<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> ok that's more like it liv}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> but what?}}<br />
<iddy15> start a fire<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> iddy, that's brilliant}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> that's what i have to do!}}<br />
<silverblue> start a fire on the boat that you're on?!<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> it's the only way...}}<br />
<silverblue> AWESOME PLAN<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> i don't have weapons or anything}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> silver what else should i do?}}<br />
<Liv> Jonas didn't bring his gun?<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> i'm stuck on the f'ing boat}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> liv, he's under guard they've been holding him for days}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> ok look i've got to get moving}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> i'm going to look for the infirmary}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> or something and then find jonas}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> can you guys make sure daniel sees those coordinates?}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> i'm not sure i can do this alone}}<br />
<ThatFreakinRandy> Yes! We'll get them to him<br />
<ThatFreakinRandy> Be careful!<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> thanks guys!!!}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> wait, what am i looking for?}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> what will burn?}}<br />
<kmmanofakind> Gauze from the infirmary<br />
<DJ_Waffle> maybe oil<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> gauze...}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> ok maybe i should just go straight to the source...}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> the ceremony room}}<br />
<ThatFreakinRandy> Lay low, please! We don't want to lose you...<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> k gotta go...}}<br />
<Carolien> first get jonas 2 can do more than one<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> thanks everyone}}<br />
{{color|#976|<skyisempty> yes, i'll get jonas first!}}<br />
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==Notes==<br />
*This video is the first part of [[The Ascension]], the [[lonelygirl15]] series finale.<br />
*Sarah says that it is Carruther's prophecy, but in [[Basement Captive]], [[Jerry]] said it was the prophecy of [[Aleister Crowley]].</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=8:00_AM&diff=1387948:00 AM2008-08-01T19:38:11Z<p>Phisho: /* Notes */</p>
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<div>{{Blog<br />
| name = {{PAGENAME}}<br />
| number = 535<br />
| image = 535-IncredulousJennie.jpg<br />
| caption = This may really be our finale...<br />
| blogger = Jonas<br />
| date = 20080801<br />
| url = {{lg15|661}}<br />
| forumid = 18268<br />
| length = 1:12<br />
| description = Thanks to your advice, Sarah was able to create a distraction and help me escape. The others found the boat and Sarah blew up the ceremony room... but then she disappeared. We need your help to get off this boat! The Order knows we're here! Send any ideas or information to us at http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15.<br />
| location = [[S.S. Hathor's Song]]<br />
| tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|danielbeast|daniel|jonastko|jonas|sarah|taylor|jennie|grand ascension|season finale|boom}} <br />
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==Transcript==<br />
(''Daniel is running across a deck covered in loungers. Text reading "8:00 AM" is in the upper right corner. A series of explosions and gunshots are heard as he runs. Cut to an upper deck where Jennie turns the camera on Jonas''.)<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Go!<br />
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(''Jonas runs after Daniel. Cut to several shots of the boat as Jonas runs. Explosions and gunshots continue. Cut to Daniel jumping to a lower deck outside of a cabin. He begins to run as the boat's foghorn sounds''.)<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Jennie, run!<br />
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(''The camera turns as Jennie runs after Jonas. Cut to another scene as they run along a deck containing emergency equipment. Gunshots continue as Jonas peers the camera over the railing to view the boat's bow. Cut to Daniel running up a flight of stairs. Flashes can be seen behind his heels, presumably gunfire Jonas runs after Jennie and Daniel. And explosion is heard nearby and the boat rocks, causing Jonas to fall to the ground as splashes are heard. He picks up the camera and continues running. Cut to the inside of a cabin area. Daniel runs around a corner and ducks into a darkened cabin''.)<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Is there a light?<br />
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'''Jonas:''' I don't know.<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Does anybody see a light?<br />
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'''Jonas:''' I don't know; hold on.<br />
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(''The sound of the door closing is heard''.)<br />
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'''Daniel:''' I can't see anything.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Yeah! I think I got it. I think I got it.<br />
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(''Light slowly flickers into the room and Daniel turns to Jennie''.)<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Jennie, are you okay?<br />
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'''Jennie:''' Yeah.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' You guys okay?<br />
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'''Daniel:''' You alright?<br />
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(''Jonas turns the camera on himself as he catches his breath''.)<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Thank you, [[Sarah]]. Thank you.<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Jonas, we still gotta get outta here, man.<br />
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'''Jennie:''' They're gonna find us!<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Yeah, but they can't do the ceremony now, okay? And that is all that matters.<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Yeah, but-- You don't think that they're still d--<br />
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'''Jonas:''' I doubt it; I doubt it. That thing? That machine? Is toast. Now all we gotta do, is we gotta find Sarah and [[Ceremony Girl|that girl]], and--<br />
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'''Daniel:''' No! Sarah made her decision.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' What are you talking about, man?<br />
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'''Daniel:''' She made her decision!<br />
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'''Jonas:''' She saved us, okay?<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Yeah, whatever.<br />
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'''Jennie:''' Daniel...<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Listen, we're gonna get outta here. Alright? I mean, it's gonna be cool. [[Taylor]] will think of something. It's gonna be fine.<br />
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(''The camera turns to Jennie an cuts to black''.)<br />
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==Notes==<br />
* It is clear Daniel has not forgiven Sarah for betraying [[TAAG]] yet.<br />
* This video is part two of [[The Ascension]], the [[lonelygirl15]] series finale.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=9:00_AM&diff=1387909:00 AM2008-08-01T19:36:43Z<p>Phisho: </p>
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| number = 536<br />
| image = 0536-JonasOnShip.JPG<br />
| caption = That definitely wasn't the pipes.<br />
| blogger = Jennie<br />
| date = 20080801<br />
| url = {{lg15|662}}<br />
| forumid = 18276<br />
| length = 1:16<br />
| description = Thank you for finding the ship's blueprints. We've pulled them on our cell and trying to find a lifeboat. We need to get off of this ship without getting discovered!<br />
| location = [[S.S. Hathor's Song]]<br />
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==Transcript==<br />
(''Jonas is shown typing on a phone. Daniel, Jonas, and Jennie are standing in a cabin on the ship.'')<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Anything?<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Nothin'.<br />
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'''Jennie:''' We got the ship's blueprints. Thanks for figuring them out, guys.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Come on!<br />
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'''Jennie:''' Is it....<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Yo! I got it. Here we go. Hold on. Alright. You ready?<br />
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(''Camera shows Jonas, Daniel, and Jennie stepping out into a dimly lit hallway.'')<br />
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'''Jonas:''' ''(Gesturing to Daniel and Jennie)'' Stay. Stay there. ''(Looks around the corner)'' Come on. It (?) should be right up here. ''(Turns corner into a doorway)'' Shit! Damn! Hold. Hold one second. ''(Starts typing on phone)'' Yeah. Okay. It's right here. Come on. ''(Continues to walk down hallway)'' Wait, wait, wait. ''(Looks around corner)'' Come on.<br />
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(''Camera cuts to Jonas, Daniel, and Jennie walking down what appears to be a different hallway. Jonas is still typing on his phone.'')<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Wrong. Wrong, man, I'm telling you we're wrong.<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Just keep going.<br />
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(''Jonas, Daniel, and Jennie walk into what appears to be an engine room. Loud sounds are heard. Both Jonas and Daniel are shown looking up.'')<br />
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'''Jennie:''' What?<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Shhh! It's--(inaudible).<br />
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'''Jennie:''' I think it's the pipes.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' I don't think that was pipes.<br />
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(''The sound of a piece metal dropping and possibly another man's voice is heard. Jonas and Jennie run one way while Daniel stays behind.'')<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Scatter!<br />
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'''Jennie:''' But...!<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Go! I'll find you.<br />
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==Notes==<br />
*This video is part three of [[The Ascension]], the [[lonelygirl15]] series finale.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=10:00_AM&diff=13878910:00 AM2008-08-01T19:35:54Z<p>Phisho: </p>
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(''Camera shows Daniel sitting in between pipes in the engine room.'')<br />
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'''Daniel:''' ''(Laughs)'' Oh...this is my life. This is ridiculous! I mean--let me recap this for you. I am on a cruise ship of an evil cult who is trying to drain the blood of a variety of girls that I know while trying to kill my best friends. Plus, there's some creepy old guy who's trying to ascend to become like God or immortal or something. So, you know, whatever. Right? We just thwart their evil plans then we're on the run again...until I manage to get myself stuck in these pipes. I just...I--I quit. I totally and utterly quit. I mean, I'm done. After everything Sarah did...and Bree. I just wanna be normal. Just normal. You know if we get out of here...IF--then that's it. I'm done. <br />
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*This video is part four of [[The Ascension]], the [[lonelygirl15]] series finale.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=11:00_AM&diff=13878811:00 AM2008-08-01T19:35:15Z<p>Phisho: </p>
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*This video is part five of [[The Ascension]], the [[lonelygirl15]] series finale.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=12:00_PM&diff=13878612:00 PM2008-08-01T19:34:42Z<p>Phisho: /* Notes */</p>
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*This video is part six of [[The Ascension]], the [[lonelygirl15]] series finale.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=12:00_PM&diff=13878312:00 PM2008-08-01T19:32:58Z<p>Phisho: Undo revision 138782 by 75.44.202.28 (Talk)</p>
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*This video is part six of [[The Ascension]], the [[Lonelygirl15]] series finale.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=138582Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-08-01T05:59:20Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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Someone<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
<br />
This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah <br><br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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I agree!<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Phisho, 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST) |So, '''there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus''' that 8 smaller pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option?}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br />
::::*Zoey<br />
::::*Phisho<br />
::::*Jonpro<br />
::::*Milowent<br />
::::*LimePenguin<br />
::::*KindredPhantom<br />
::::*Bobby G<br />
::::*FH14<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br />
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br />
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br />
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br />
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br />
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::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br />
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::<small>@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.</small><br />
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:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br />
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::How is it not true?<br />
::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a "good consensus" on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''<br />
::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''<br />
::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.<br />
::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: "Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy." - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.<br />
::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.<br />
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.<br />
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?<br />
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of "cropping this shit until it fits", the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. <br />
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.<br />
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?<br />
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::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.<br />
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.<br />
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.<br />
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!<br />
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the "1,111+" members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. <br />
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing "exactly as the administration wanted," but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn't quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how "the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do." Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say "You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.". Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.<br />
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they'll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get to Spencer's page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.<br />
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::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?<br />
::::::::Then how come you haven't decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?<br />
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?<br />
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?<br />
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::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it ''right now''.<br />
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with ''actual'' deadlines.<br />
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::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don't like the answer, tough luck. I don't care enough to fix your problems for you.<br />
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::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration's bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only "major" contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.<br />
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?<br />
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.<br />
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.<br />
::::::::...eight small pictures of ''whom''?<br />
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.<br />
::::::::So. Let's say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn't revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode<br />
::::::::...who will be in those spots?<br />
::::::::...based on whose decision?<br />
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::::::::You are telling me ''in bold'' that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15's left column will be one box longer<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor's Jumper adventures<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week<br />
::::::::And that's just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. <br />
::::::::All you have is "8 small". You have managed to follow the administration's lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.<br />
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::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)<br />
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::::::::You wanna play "OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!"? Then you better get to work. 'cause you have three days to create an entire site!<br />
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only ''decided upon'' 8 small icons. You haven't actually ''implemented'' it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.<br />
::::::::You don't have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have ''nothing'' that meets the deadline of doom.<br />
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::::::::And you don't seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it's soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more ''work'' here.<br />
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::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.<br />
:::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::::Don't tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There's no room for personal attacks here. I'm not trying to fight you, so there's no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I'm concerned with the character row. If there's another discussion somewhere, I'll contribute to that too, but right now, I'm focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was..."Who's going to be in it?" Well...<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}<br />
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:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven't already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::::So wait...you're trying to convince me that it's rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You're trying to pretend it's already settled, then ask people for more opinions?<br />
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.<br />
::::::::::Either you're done, or you're not done. If you're not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you're not done. If you're done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don't have time to discuss this - you're on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)<br />
::::::::::You can't pretend I'm wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.<br />
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have ''not'' made a final decision yet.<br />
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::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you'll miss this one - at least assuming you don't decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.<br />
:::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 30 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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Well, shouldn't someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don't care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven't discussed what pictures to use and we don't even have an example of what it will look like. I'd make one but don't know how and probably don't have time. And Ren, if you'd have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you'd been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to "clear your name". Why don't you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Perhaps because the two aren't equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it's otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we'll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren't contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Proof_of_Life&diff=138564Proof of Life2008-07-31T23:38:35Z<p>Phisho: added note and character links</p>
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| caption = Time is running out.<br />
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'''Daniel:''' No word from [[Sarah]] yet, but we did receive a photo from her. Apparently she swiped it from her father's phone. Is she gonna screw us or does she really want to help? I don't know, but time is running out.<br />
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==Notes==<br />
*This is the shortest lonelygirl15 video ever, beating the previous shortest video [[The Beast's Turn - "MMYB"]] by one second.<br />
*The logo behind Jonas reads "S.S. [[Hathor|Hathor's]] Song," implying that he is on a boat.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lonelygirl15_Season_3_Recap&diff=138552Lonelygirl15 Season 3 Recap2008-07-31T21:37:57Z<p>Phisho: we should leave the extra ".com" there, as that's how it was uploaded. the note on the page is enough of a remedy</p>
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| description = If you missed the third season or just want to relive the memories, check out this recap video. If you like what you see, visit http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15.com on Friday, August 1. We will be uploading one video each hour, for twelve hours beginning at 8:00 AM PST.<br />
| location = Various<br />
| tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|season|recap|danielbeast|daniel|jonastko|jonas|hymn|of|one|order|jennie|taylor|sarah|emma|eclipse}} <br />
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* The link in the video description has an extra ".com." The correct link is http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lonelygirl15_Season_3_Recap&diff=138532Lonelygirl15 Season 3 Recap2008-07-31T01:49:59Z<p>Phisho: note about description typo</p>
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| tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|season|recap|danielbeast|daniel|jonastko|jonas|hymn|of|one|order|jennie|taylor|sarah|emma|eclipse}} <br />
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* The link in the video description has an extra ".com." The correct link is http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lonelygirl15_Season_3_Recap&diff=138531Lonelygirl15 Season 3 Recap2008-07-31T01:48:01Z<p>Phisho: description/location were messed up. Location could still use work.</p>
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| description = If you missed the third season or just want to relive the memories, check out this recap video. If you like what you see, visit http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15.com on Friday, August 1. We will be uploading one video each hour, for twelve hours beginning at 8:00 AM PST.<br />
| location = Various<br />
| tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|season|recap|danielbeast|daniel|jonastko|jonas|hymn|of|one|order|jennie|taylor|sarah|emma|eclipse}} <br />
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==Notes==</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=138434Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-07-30T02:32:12Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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Someone<br />
tell<br />
me<br />
how<br />
to<br />
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a<br />
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up!?<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br />
::::*Zoey<br />
::::*Phisho<br />
::::*Jonpro<br />
::::*Milowent<br />
::::*LimePenguin<br />
::::*KindredPhantom<br />
::::*Bobby G<br />
::::*FH14<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
::::(emphasis added)<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br />
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br />
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br />
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br />
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br />
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::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br />
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::<small>@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.</small><br />
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:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br />
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::How is it not true?<br />
::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a "good consensus" on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''<br />
::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''<br />
::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.<br />
::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: "Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy." - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.<br />
::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.<br />
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.<br />
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?<br />
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of "cropping this shit until it fits", the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. <br />
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.<br />
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?<br />
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::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.<br />
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.<br />
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.<br />
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!<br />
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the "1,111+" members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. <br />
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing "exactly as the administration wanted," but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn't quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how "the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do." Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say "You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.". Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.<br />
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they'll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get to Spencer's page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.<br />
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::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?<br />
::::::::Then how come you haven't decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?<br />
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?<br />
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?<br />
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::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it ''right now''.<br />
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with ''actual'' deadlines.<br />
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::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don't like the answer, tough luck. I don't care enough to fix your problems for you.<br />
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::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration's bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only "major" contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.<br />
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?<br />
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.<br />
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.<br />
::::::::...eight small pictures of ''whom''?<br />
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.<br />
::::::::So. Let's say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn't revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode<br />
::::::::...who will be in those spots?<br />
::::::::...based on whose decision?<br />
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::::::::You are telling me ''in bold'' that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15's left column will be one box longer<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor's Jumper adventures<br />
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week<br />
::::::::And that's just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. <br />
::::::::All you have is "8 small". You have managed to follow the administration's lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.<br />
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::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)<br />
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::::::::You wanna play "OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!"? Then you better get to work. 'cause you have three days to create an entire site!<br />
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only ''decided upon'' 8 small icons. You haven't actually ''implemented'' it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.<br />
::::::::You don't have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have ''nothing'' that meets the deadline of doom.<br />
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::::::::And you don't seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it's soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more ''work'' here.<br />
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::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.<br />
:::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::::Don't tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There's no room for personal attacks here. I'm not trying to fight you, so there's no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I'm concerned with the character row. If there's another discussion somewhere, I'll contribute to that too, but right now, I'm focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was..."Who's going to be in it?" Well...<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}<br />
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:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}<br />
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:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven't already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Snake_eyes&diff=137922Snake eyes2008-07-28T23:42:03Z<p>Phisho: edited to reflect the edit of Varsity Blues</p>
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<div>[[Image:Snake eyes.JPG|thumb|right|200px|Snake eyes dice roll.]]<br />
[[Image:0078-DanielSnooze.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Daniel sports his snake eyes t-shirt for the first time in [[Fleeing The Watcher]].]]<br />
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In gambling, [[snake eyes]] is the outcome of rolling the dice in a game of craps and getting only one pip on each die. The pair of pips resembles a pair of eyes, which is appended to the term 'snake' because of the long-standing association of this word with treachery and betrayal. In modern parlance, it refers to such a roll in any game involving dice. Because this is the lowest possible roll, and will often be a loser in many dice games, the term has been employed in a more general usage as a reference to bad luck.<br />
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[[Daniel]] wears a blue t-shirt with imprinted snake eyes in four episodes of the [[lonelygirl15|lonelygirl15 series]].<br />
*[[Fleeing The Watcher]]<br />
*[[The Ends Justify The Means]]<br />
*[[Miss Me?]]<br />
*[[School's Out]]<br />
*[[Varsity Blues]]<br />
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Coincidentally or not, the episodes in which [[Daniel]] wears the snake eyes shirt are always unfortunate. In [[Fleeing The Watcher]], [[Bree]] and Daniel become so intimidated by the "[[watcher]]" outside their motel that they run away without even knowing where to go next. [[The Ends Justify The Means]] was an [[OpAphid]] video featuring hidden camera footage of Daniel in his bedroom. This video shows Daniel discovering the cameras that OpAphid was using to watch over him. Daniel later recounted that he had "freaked out" and [[Undisclosed Location|left his house]]. <br />
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Fans associated Daniel's snake eye shirt with the premonition that his luck was running out. This connection appears to have been solidified by his wearing the notorious shirt in the video [[Miss Me?]], which was filmed and released after he was kidnapped and brainwashed by [[OpAphid]]. Just as you can hardly get a worse dice roll than two ones, Daniel's bad luck was clearly at its peak when he was held by OpAphid.<br />
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The theme is continued in season 2, with Daniel wearing the snake eyes as he tells us that he [[School's Out|wasn't accepted back into film class]].<br />
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In season 3, Daniel wears the shirt as he watched [[Jonas]] flirt with [[Gina]].<br />
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[[Category:Theories and speculation]]</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Varsity_Blues&diff=137921Varsity Blues2008-07-28T23:37:39Z<p>Phisho: /* Notes */ adding a period to an unregistered editor's update</p>
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<div>{{Blog<br />
| name = {{PAGENAME}}<br />
| number = 452<br />
| image = 0452-GinaDaniel.jpg<br />
| caption = Bree would be so jealous right now!<br />
| blogger = Daniel<br />
| date = 20080403<br />
| url = {{lg15|559}}<br />
| forumid = 16933<br />
| length = 1:39<br />
| description = Thank you all so much for helping us figure out that weird message from Bree's mom. We want to especially thank Fatal Gear, Lella, Hunnah, QtheC, and laurenannie who worked at the lg15.com forum decoding the message.<br />
| location = [[The rented house]]<br />
| tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|daniel|jonastko|phone|american|idol|dog|bark}}<br />
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| execprod = Miles Beckett, Greg Goodfried, and Amanda Goodfried<br />
| serprod = Amanda Goodfried <br />
| pa = Jenni Powell<br />
| directors = Marcello Daciano <br />
| story = Tom Pettit and Jim Campolongo<br />
| vidplay = Jim Campolongo<br />
| camera = Kevin Schlanser <br />
| editor = Matt Vanselow<br />
| music supervisor = Seth Jacobs <br />
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| song = "Anna" by Paperworks<br />
| cast = {{VidChar|Daniel}}<br />
{{VidChar|Jonas}}<br />
{{VidChar|Gina}}<br />
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| Previous = A Stranger Calls<br />
| Next = Hook Up At the Park<br />
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| PreviousB = I'm On Fire<br />
| NextB = <br />
| PreviousC = <br />
| NextC = <br />
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==Transcript==<br />
'''Daniel:''' That message was crazy. So, thanks to everyone who helped out on the forum. Turns out it said, "Friday, neighborhood park, no cameras." I'll post the details at [[LG15.com]]. You know, I think I know what park she's talking about. It's the one where [[Bree]] and I used to hang out. Honestly, just the thought of seeing [[Elizabeth Avery|Bree's mom]] again... it makes my blood boil.<br />
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(''Cut to Gina in the backyard, wandering around while playing with a football''.)<br />
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'''Daniel:''' This morning, she said she wasn't afraid, but... come on, look at her. (''Opens the back door and walks towards Gina''.)<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Hey! (''Gina smiles''.) Come on, you look like you need a cheerleader. Or, how about a receiver? (''Claps his hands together''.) Hit me! I'm wide open!<br />
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'''Gina:''' Daniel, thanks but...<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Gina... Look, I know you're worried about tomorrow. It's gonna be okay.<br />
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'''Gina:''' I'm fine.<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Alright.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Hey, what's up guys?<br />
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(''The camera pans to find Jonas at the back door''.)<br />
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'''Daniel:''' Hey, man. Not much. You wanna grab some lunch?<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Uh, yeah, sure. Sounds good.<br />
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(''Daniel walks back into the house and Jonas walks past him to Gina. Daniel pans back to show Jonas and Gina through the window. Jonas sits on a deck chair near Gina''.)<br />
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'''Jonas:''' You know, you're not going to be alone this time. Okay? I'm gonna be there for you. You can count on that. Okay? (''Touches football in Gina's hands'') Come on, throw it! I'm open! (''Gina throws football'') Oh, touchdown!<br />
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(''Cut to Gina laughing''.)<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Daniel, come out here! Ten-hut!<br />
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(''Gina catches the football''.)<br />
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'''Jonas:''' (''In the background'') Nice! (''Gina throws football back to Jonas''.) Oh! Good form. You know that? C'mon! (''Attempts to tackle Gina''.)<br />
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(''Cut to Daniel talking to the camera''.)<br />
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'''Daniel:''' [[Lonelygirl15 relationships#Bree and Jonas|First]] [[Bree]], [[Lonelygirl15 relationships#Jonas and Gina|now]] Gina. Nice work, Casanova.<br />
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==Notes==<br />
*Daniel shows signs of jealousy towards Jonas over Gina.<br />
*The title is a reference to the high school football movie "Varsity Blues."<br />
*Daniel is wearing his [[snake eyes]] shirt.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=137897Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-07-28T05:11:15Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
<br />
Someone<br />
tell<br />
me<br />
how<br />
to<br />
put<br />
a<br />
video<br />
up!?<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
<br />
This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah <br><br />
::::::::Taylor Emma Jennie Gina<br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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I agree!<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Phisho, 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST) |So, '''there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus''' that 8 smaller pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option?}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br />
::::*Zoey<br />
::::*Phisho<br />
::::*Jonpro<br />
::::*Milowent<br />
::::*LimePenguin<br />
::::*KindredPhantom<br />
::::*Bobby G<br />
::::*FH14<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br />
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br />
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br />
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br />
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br />
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::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br />
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::<small>@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.</small><br />
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:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br />
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::How is it not true?<br />
::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a "good consensus" on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''<br />
::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''<br />
::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.<br />
::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: "Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy." - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.<br />
::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.<br />
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.<br />
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?<br />
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of "cropping this shit until it fits", the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. <br />
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.<br />
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?<br />
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::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.<br />
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.<br />
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.<br />
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!<br />
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the "1,111+" members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. <br />
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing "exactly as the administration wanted," but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn't quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how "the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do." Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=137896Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-07-28T05:05:24Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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Someone<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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I agree!<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br />
::::*Zoey<br />
::::*Phisho<br />
::::*Jonpro<br />
::::*Milowent<br />
::::*LimePenguin<br />
::::*KindredPhantom<br />
::::*Bobby G<br />
::::*FH14<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br />
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br />
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br />
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br />
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br />
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::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br />
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::<small>@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.</small><br />
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:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br />
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::How is it not true?<br />
::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a "good consensus" on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''<br />
::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''<br />
::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.<br />
::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: "Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy." - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.<br />
::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.<br />
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.<br />
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?<br />
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of "cropping this shit until it fits", the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. <br />
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.<br />
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?<br />
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::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.<br />
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.<br />
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.<br />
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!<br />
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the "1,111+" members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=137775Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-07-26T03:43:57Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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Someone<br />
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me<br />
how<br />
to<br />
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a<br />
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up!?<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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I agree!<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br />
::::*Zoey<br />
::::*Phisho<br />
::::*Jonpro<br />
::::*Milowent<br />
::::*LimePenguin<br />
::::*KindredPhantom<br />
::::*Bobby G<br />
::::*FH14<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br />
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br />
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br />
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br />
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br />
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::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br />
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::<small>@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.</small><br />
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:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br />
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:The_Ascension&diff=137750Talk:The Ascension2008-07-26T00:43:01Z<p>Phisho: New page: ==Series Finale== I would like to propose calling this page the Lonelygirl15 Series Finale and redirecting Lonelygirl15 Season Three Finale to it instead of the inverse, like we ha...</p>
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<div>==Series Finale==<br />
I would like to propose calling this page the [[Lonelygirl15 Series Finale]] and redirecting [[Lonelygirl15 Season Three Finale]] to it instead of the inverse, like we have now. I've observed that generally, when a television series comes to a close, its finale is referred to as the series finale primarily and the Season X finale secondarily. Shouldn't we go with that? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:41, 25 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=137749Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-07-26T00:31:59Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::*Zoey<br />
::::*Phisho<br />
::::*Jonpro<br />
::::*Milowent<br />
::::*LimePenguin<br />
::::*KindredPhantom<br />
::::*Bobby G<br />
::::*FH14<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br />
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br />
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a "good consensus" for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a "good consensus" on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br />
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a "good consensus", and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br />
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br />
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::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br />
::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::<small>@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, "only" one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.</small><br />
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:::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br />
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=137254Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-07-24T21:14:00Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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Someone<br />
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me<br />
how<br />
to<br />
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a<br />
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up!?<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah <br><br />
::::::::Taylor Emma Jennie Gina<br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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I agree!<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Phisho, 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST) |So, '''there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus''' that 8 smaller pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option?}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br />
::::*Zoey<br />
::::*Phisho<br />
::::*Jonpro<br />
::::*Milowent<br />
::::*LimePenguin<br />
::::*KindredPhantom<br />
::::*Bobby G<br />
::::*FH14<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
::::(emphasis added)<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br />
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. <br />
--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=137253Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-07-24T21:12:49Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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Someone<br />
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me<br />
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up!?<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah <br><br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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I agree!<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br />
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::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br />
::::*Zoey<br />
::::*Phisho<br />
::::*Jonpro<br />
::::*Milowent<br />
::::*LimePenguin<br />
::::*KindredPhantom<br />
::::*Bobby G<br />
::::*FH14<br />
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br />
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br />
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that.}}<br />
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::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned "I agree!" that you failed to mention.<br />
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::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:Phoenician&diff=137044User talk:Phoenician2008-07-22T06:03:14Z<p>Phisho: /* Hey */</p>
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<div>Feel free to chat with me here about any questions, concerns . . . .<br />
Or if you just need to tell me I'm doing something plumb dumb wrong! -- [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]- AKA -[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:39, 21 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[[User:Phoenician/sandbox]]<br />
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== Your Help ==<br />
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Haha, I can't believe you actually found that in my sandbox. I've been trying for months to make a UB with no help or template to use. And Wikipedia's tutorial made my head spin but then I found your page and the template and yeah, that's how you helped! [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 01:43, 31 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Bye! ==<br />
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Have fun traveling and reading! Hope to see you back soon. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 01:16, 12 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Hey Thanks ==<br />
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For helping me out. I am new, yet i want to edit...A LOT!!!! Put two and two together, and it doesn't really mix.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 01:02, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought two and two made four?? :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:04, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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see what i mean another one--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 01:28, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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I am thinking about putting them in a box form like, the mission, the faction, succesfull or not, and stuff like that. I like the border of List of Lonelygirl15 Videos, but i don't know if we can use that.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:41, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==The Pics Issue==<br />
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No, it wasn't me... [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] sent an email last week about the pic issue (see discussion here: [[LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony#No_uploading.3F.3F]]) and I have just been waiting for it to be fixed, same as everyone else. I just noticed by chance that [[Special:Newimages]] was working today so I assumed it had been fixed. They probably emailed [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] back to tell her, but she is out of town at the moment. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 20:06, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== What do you think about this on lucy's balcony ==<br />
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http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony#Portals<br />
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there i put it on --[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 00:38, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== are you a sysop ==<br />
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i think you just became one--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:14, 2 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
Guys<br />
its<br />
me!<br />
Dizzy!<br />
Is<br />
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I<br />
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need<br />
to<br />
talk<br />
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Please<br />
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:Only for the last week or so, Houdini. :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:20, 3 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Thanks! ==<br />
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Thank, Pheon, I really appreciate it! {{User:-R-/SignatureD|3:40 AM}}<br />
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Thank you for the welcome, I've been around along long time but I always stayed away from the LGPedia because I know people can be very territorial on wikis. - [[User:Mathieas|Mathieas]]<br />
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== Re:Happy Birthday! ==<br />
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Thank you! That really means a lot to me :D {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Aug 17, '07 - 11:46 AM}}<br />
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Thanks for the welcome!<br />
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==Photos==<br />
The golden rule on the Flickr photos is that, in order to get a larger (and optimal; sometimes there's larger than the ones I post) version, you add _b in front of the .jpg in the URL. If the photo exists at that URL, you'll want to use that version. This trick doesn't work all of the time, annoyingly, but it does in 90% of cases. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:56, 16 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
:The Flickr URLs are actually the source for the photos posted on the blog. They're farm3.static.flickr.com/* or the same thing with farm4. (i.e. right click > properties on the photos) Sometimes they post photos straight to the blog instead of through flickr and the trick doesn't work anymore. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:01, 16 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== apologies ==<br />
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* hey. i read over my talk page a bit too quickly and didn't realize that it is [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] that has some weird vindication against me and not you. oh geese. this isn't the kind of entertainment i was expecting from lgpedia. haha. its finals week and i have better things to read. seriously, right? well thank you for noticing my contributions here. - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] march 17<br />
* i am sorry for the flame war on the pedia. discussion is good stuff but things have gotten out of hand. - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] march 18<br />
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== graph on million views page ==<br />
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awesome graph! --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:18, 20 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Character pages ==<br />
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Hey, I made a fake Daniel [[User:Nancypants/sandbox|page]] and got rid of all information that can be found elsewhere. Please help me, you are the only one besides me and Zoey who even care about this at all and Zoey is busy..always. So if you could take a look and tell me what can be done to make it better. I know it's probably ''too'' short right now, but I just wanted to make it look cleaner and less like an epic novel. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 2 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Character Blogs ==<br />
Is there a reason why someone keeps deleting all the blogs that I post on the Katemodern website? Is there a problem with them? This is hard work...they are important to the storyline and OUGHT to be there.<br />
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== Vandal ==<br />
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Can one of the admins ban this guy (IP is 75.32.75.170)? [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=I_Have_A_Confession&oldid=132827/ He vandalized the I Have A Confession page.]-- [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 20:46, 26 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Hey==<br />
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Dude, you went to WYD? I wanted to go...but didn't have 3000 dollars. When you get back, let me know how it was! (Forgot to sign, I'm a moron.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 02:02, 22 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:Phoenician&diff=137043User talk:Phoenician2008-07-22T06:01:46Z<p>Phisho: </p>
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<div>Feel free to chat with me here about any questions, concerns . . . .<br />
Or if you just need to tell me I'm doing something plumb dumb wrong! -- [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]- AKA -[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:39, 21 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Your Help ==<br />
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Haha, I can't believe you actually found that in my sandbox. I've been trying for months to make a UB with no help or template to use. And Wikipedia's tutorial made my head spin but then I found your page and the template and yeah, that's how you helped! [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 01:43, 31 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Bye! ==<br />
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Have fun traveling and reading! Hope to see you back soon. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 01:16, 12 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Hey Thanks ==<br />
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For helping me out. I am new, yet i want to edit...A LOT!!!! Put two and two together, and it doesn't really mix.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 01:02, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought two and two made four?? :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:04, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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see what i mean another one--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 01:28, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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I am thinking about putting them in a box form like, the mission, the faction, succesfull or not, and stuff like that. I like the border of List of Lonelygirl15 Videos, but i don't know if we can use that.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:41, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==The Pics Issue==<br />
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No, it wasn't me... [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] sent an email last week about the pic issue (see discussion here: [[LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony#No_uploading.3F.3F]]) and I have just been waiting for it to be fixed, same as everyone else. I just noticed by chance that [[Special:Newimages]] was working today so I assumed it had been fixed. They probably emailed [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] back to tell her, but she is out of town at the moment. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 20:06, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== What do you think about this on lucy's balcony ==<br />
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http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony#Portals<br />
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there i put it on --[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 00:38, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== are you a sysop ==<br />
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i think you just became one--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:14, 2 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
Guys<br />
its<br />
me!<br />
Dizzy!<br />
Is<br />
anybody<br />
here?<br />
I<br />
really<br />
need<br />
to<br />
talk<br />
to<br />
someone?<br />
Please<br />
answer<br />
to<br />
me<br />
on<br />
my<br />
profile.<br />
:Only for the last week or so, Houdini. :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:20, 3 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Thanks! ==<br />
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Thank, Pheon, I really appreciate it! {{User:-R-/SignatureD|3:40 AM}}<br />
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Thank you for the welcome, I've been around along long time but I always stayed away from the LGPedia because I know people can be very territorial on wikis. - [[User:Mathieas|Mathieas]]<br />
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== Re:Happy Birthday! ==<br />
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Thank you! That really means a lot to me :D {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Aug 17, '07 - 11:46 AM}}<br />
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Thanks for the welcome!<br />
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==Photos==<br />
The golden rule on the Flickr photos is that, in order to get a larger (and optimal; sometimes there's larger than the ones I post) version, you add _b in front of the .jpg in the URL. If the photo exists at that URL, you'll want to use that version. This trick doesn't work all of the time, annoyingly, but it does in 90% of cases. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:56, 16 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
:The Flickr URLs are actually the source for the photos posted on the blog. They're farm3.static.flickr.com/* or the same thing with farm4. (i.e. right click > properties on the photos) Sometimes they post photos straight to the blog instead of through flickr and the trick doesn't work anymore. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:01, 16 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== apologies ==<br />
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* hey. i read over my talk page a bit too quickly and didn't realize that it is [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] that has some weird vindication against me and not you. oh geese. this isn't the kind of entertainment i was expecting from lgpedia. haha. its finals week and i have better things to read. seriously, right? well thank you for noticing my contributions here. - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] march 17<br />
* i am sorry for the flame war on the pedia. discussion is good stuff but things have gotten out of hand. - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]] march 18<br />
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== graph on million views page ==<br />
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awesome graph! --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:18, 20 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Character pages ==<br />
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Hey, I made a fake Daniel [[User:Nancypants/sandbox|page]] and got rid of all information that can be found elsewhere. Please help me, you are the only one besides me and Zoey who even care about this at all and Zoey is busy..always. So if you could take a look and tell me what can be done to make it better. I know it's probably ''too'' short right now, but I just wanted to make it look cleaner and less like an epic novel. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 2 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Character Blogs ==<br />
Is there a reason why someone keeps deleting all the blogs that I post on the Katemodern website? Is there a problem with them? This is hard work...they are important to the storyline and OUGHT to be there.<br />
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== Vandal ==<br />
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Can one of the admins ban this guy (IP is 75.32.75.170)? [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=I_Have_A_Confession&oldid=132827/ He vandalized the I Have A Confession page.]-- [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 20:46, 26 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Hey==<br />
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Dude, you went to WYD? I wanted to go...but didn't have 3000 dollars. When you get back, let me know how it was!</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=137042Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-07-22T05:51:12Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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Someone<br />
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me<br />
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to<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
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I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
<br />
This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah <br><br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br />
:'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br />
:'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br />
:'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br />
:'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br />
:'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br />
:'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br />
:'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br />
:'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br />
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that <b>8 smaller</b> pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Hidden_Treasures&diff=136460Talk:Hidden Treasures2008-07-18T21:23:52Z<p>Phisho: New page: ...Explain to me why cap fever doesn't apply here. Because it's not a traditional cap? Well, we included sombreros! Because it's unclear if there is a blatant decision to defy someone or s...</p>
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<div>...Explain to me why cap fever doesn't apply here. Because it's not a traditional cap? Well, we included sombreros! Because it's unclear if there is a blatant decision to defy someone or something? Well, in [[Share My Sleeping Bag]], there's no apparent character changes. I think the note should go back up. Any arguments? Kaella, you can't just delete something because you disagree with it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]]</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Hidden_Treasures&diff=136441Hidden Treasures2008-07-18T16:37:41Z<p>Phisho: /* Notes */ added cap trivia</p>
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==Transcript==<br />
(''The scene opens with a shot of a large wooden door closing. Outside, a tall sign that reads MUSEUM can be seen. Jennie turns the camera to herself''.)<br />
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'''Jennie:''' So, that Lucy is one crazy bitch. Okay? She's [[Handcuffed|gone]]. Just (''makes a pop noise with her mouth''). Disappeared into thin air. Jonas swears she was dead. He's pretty dumbfounded by the whole thing. I mean, you know, who wouldn't be? At least we got the microchip back. Oh, and speaking of which, Jonas and I decided to do a little exploring at the location that Taylor found on the microchip. This museum. You know, the blueprints she gave us lead to a small room buried at the back of the building so, we're just-<br />
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'''Jonas:''' (''in the background'') Jennie!<br />
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'''Jennie:''' Yeah. (''Turns the camera to Jonas, who is in a dark doorway'')<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Come on!<br />
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'''Jennie:''' Okay.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Come on!<br />
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'''Jennie:''' Let's go.<br />
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(''Jennie follows Jonas down a dimly lit hall with a objects encased in glass cases in the walls''.)<br />
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'''Jennie:''' Creepy. (''Pans camera to a strange object'') Jonas, look at this! <br />
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'''Jonas:''' Come on, this way! <br />
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'''Jennie:''' What is that?<br />
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'''Jonas:''' I don't know. Let's go.<br />
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(''Jennie and Jonas walk down a flight of stairs which leads to a dimly lit room with more objects in glass cases in the walls. They walk through the room to another which has documents framed all over the walls. Jonas takes a look at the documents and walks out. The camera pans to a strange metal contraption in a glass case and Jennie is seen making a face at it. Jennie walks down a few more hallways, passing various objects along the way, until she catches up with Jonas in a room full of various trinkets. She walks in and surveys some objects, namely a portrait of a young woman behind a harp. She gently strokes the harp and walks over to a bust of a man''.)<br />
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'''Jennie:''' (''to herself'') Who is that?<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Jennie! (''Pops out from another portion of the room'') <br />
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'''Jennie:''' (''frightened'') What!? What? Jeez.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Oh, sorry. Look what I found in the store room. (''The camera pans to an old suitcase''.) Check out the name. (''Points to the name written on the suitcase'')<br />
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'''Jennie:''' [[The Resistance#George|George Kiel]]?<br />
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'''Jonas:''' George Kiel, yeah. And I found dozens of others, all with the [[The Resistance|Resistance]] names on it. This thing is filled with journals and artifacts that all relate back to [[The Order]]. This must have been their life's work.<br />
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(''Jonas opens the suitcase and Jennie surveys the contents, which includes photos, documents, and various items''.)<br />
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'''Jonas:''' All right, so here's what we've learned. The papers we found pieced together the origins of The Order and it looks like everything dates back to the [[The Order|Order of Denderah]]. <br />
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'''Jennie:''' Now, [[Denderah]] was an ancient Egyptian city built on the site of, um, (''struggles to pronounce the name'') Ta-ynt-netert. (''Jonas and Jennie laugh'') I don't know how to say it but what it means is "She of the divine pillar." Resistance members discovered an ancient Egyptian lore, one that talked about a fountain of youth, one that could grant eternal life. <br />
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'''Jonas:''' That's right, but they weren't referencing a- a- a real fountain. They were referencing a woman (''puts hat from suitcase on'') who is-<br />
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'''Jennie:''' Cute.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Thank you, it's George's hat. They were referencing, uh, this woman who was believed to have descended from the fertility goddess Hathor. (''Looks at Jennie'') Right?<br />
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'''Jennie:''' Yes. Hathor.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Hathor. <br />
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'''Jennie:''' Um, now, Hathor's daughter gave birth to twenty girls and the bloodline was considered holy. Now get this: in the twentieth century, scientists discovered a living descendant. A woman who lived to be a hundred and fifteen years old. Her DNA carried a regenerative gene.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Which means, and this is huge, (''Jonas takes his hat off. Jennie giggles''.) all the [[Trait Positive|trait positive]] girls that The Order is looking for, they all have to be traced back to one of these twenty girls. Oh, and guess... guess what else had an interest in Egypt? (''Points to a hieroglyph in George's suitcase'')<br />
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'''Jennie:''' Yeah.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' Show it.<br />
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'''Jennie:''' (''Pulls out a picture of a man'') This guy!<br />
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'''Jonas:''' That's right. You guessed it. [[Aleister Crowley]]. In fact, he took an expedition to Egypt where he uncovered some hieroglyphics in the tomb of Hathor's, uh, descendant. <br />
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'''Jennie:''' Yeah. That's it.<br />
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'''Jonas:''' And those hieroglyphics, they taught him the secrets of the trait positive girls. (''Pans camera to the hieroglyphics'') And from there he tracked them down and he exploited them for his own purposes. (''Pans camera over pictures of the girls'')<br />
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'''Jennie:''' It's just really weird. Jonas and I are gonna keep digging through the past 'cause it might be the only way to save our future.<br />
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==Notes==<br />
* Jackson seems to have an accept slip when saying the word "fertility."<br />
* Jonas has a case of [[cap]] fever.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Italian_Sister_Series&diff=136123Talk:Italian Sister Series2008-07-15T07:13:49Z<p>Phisho: </p>
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{{quote|NewTeeVee|EQAL, the new startup formed by the creators of lonelygirl15, is following up on its promise to expand the LG15 “universe” to other countries. The company told NewTeeVee today it had signed a deal with M.A.D. Entertainment to create a localized sister series in Italy.<br />
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The show — which will be EQAL’s first project '''in a language other than English''' — has yet to be named, written, cast, or sponsored, but it is supposed to be released this winter.<br />
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EQAL will be participating to a lesser extent than it did with KateModern, the UK-based LG15 sister series, for which EQAL CEO Miles Beckett lived in London while serving as showrunner and training a local production team. Now he and co-founder Greg Goodfried will be executive producers for the Italian series with “final creative oversight,” but they will leave operations to M.A.D. Besides, neither of them speak Italian.<br />
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Also different from KateModern will be the technology setup. KateModern had been integrated into and hosted on the social network Bebo. While EQAL isn’t looking to build its own video player, it will be building out its own social network on its own site so members can interact with each other all in onlocation. With KateModern, said Beckett, “We didn’t see as much of the bonding occurring between the fans as we do on our site… We’ve learned to have the heart of soul of the show on a URL that’s dedicated to the show [because] you want a close-knit group of people.”<br />
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The Italian series news follows on EQAL’s raising $5 million, wrapping up KateModern, and signing a “first-look” deal with CBS. Beckett said that along with producing web content for CBS, EQAL expects to launch two to three additional shows by the end of this year.<br />
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What to expect? Not exactly a modern remake of Roman Holiday. The LG15 universe, as Beckett describes it, is “very much like Buffy, a little bit of comedic element, teen angst and romance, and sci-fi drama.” Like past series, the new show is likely to have a young female star, he said, as well as EQAL’s honed elements of brand integration, interactive live events, and fighting against “The Order.”}}<br />
Erm, how will the LGPedia function with this new series. It's in Italian... So will it's pages be in Italian? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:39, 04 June 2008 (EST)<br />
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:Hmm, I can't see maintaining pages in Italian being feasible unless we all of a sudden get a bunch of editors who speak Italian, and even then it would be difficult. Are we even sure this show falls under the scope of the LGPedia? It sounds as if the C's won't be ''that'' involved, so right now I'm thinking a page about it with a link and description will be enough. That is, unless we hear differently from the "higher-ups". Other thoughts?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:05, 5 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::How about we first have the pages in english, then if we get new italian editers than they can put sections on the pages in italian. Or we could do an italian version of lgpedia like how wikipedia has other languages. But we would need to know who speaks italian. I don't know. Another thing we could do is have someone post transcript and then someone post tranlation.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:14, 19 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Well have to see how lg15.com is tied to the show - if the show is hosted on lg15.com, it may make sense to have it covered on the lgpedia, but in a segregated italian wiki. how that progresess would depend on how lg15italia progressses. as jonpro suggests, the english lgpedia could probably have a single page on it. I'm sure the C's will give some guidance as the launch approaches. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 07:56, 20 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Well, I get the feeling that it's going to be tied in with the LG15 Universe, simply because of Miles' comment of comparing LG15 to the Buffyverse. But hey, guess we'll have to wait for more specific details, no? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 27 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Pheon! Nice to see you around, man. :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 07:34, 27 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Has it been confirmed officially? I mean, it was just announced there would be a new show based in America, so is the Italian show false, or are they persuing both series? [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:59, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:For the record, in the live broadcast/chat today, the Creators addressed the Italian show. Yes, they are moving forward with it. It is completely separate of the new American show but will still take place within the fictional LG15 universe, so it will deal with the Order/the Hymn of One. It will be featured on the new main site, and they might do some sort of IP targeting where if you're in America, you'll automatically be redirected to the American show and if you're in Italy you'll automatically be directed to the Italian show. They said that they are looking into subtitling it, but it might be out of their budget, but if an Italian speaker would like to undertake that, they're more than willing to cooperate. Uh...I can't think of anything else. The audio from the broadcast is supposedly at lg15today.blogspot.com, but it's over an hour. You can listen if you want! --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 03:13, 15 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:lonelygirl15/News&diff=135539Portal:lonelygirl15/News2008-07-10T17:37:30Z<p>Phisho: changed "Amanda" to "The Creators" since Greg answered fan questions</p>
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{{Event<br />
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|description = The eclipse is coming soon, but [[Lonelygirl15]] is coming to an end soon to make way for a new series in the LG15 Universe. Read more about it [http://inside.lg15.com/2008/07/04/lg15-update/ here]! Questions and/or comments about the finale? [[The Creators]] will get back to you [http://inside.lg15.com/2008/07/09/lg15-questions/ here]!<br />
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<div>==The Camera==<br />
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The following comment was left in the trivia section of the actual article. I have no idea who wrote it, but I figured it should go here. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:53, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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<i>[um. no? isn't it the camera the girls were using and Terrence nabbed from them when they answered the door? terrence took the research camera a few episodes ago and stole the girls most recently]</i> -Anonymous</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=The_Last_Work:_12AM&diff=135527The Last Work: 12AM2008-07-10T05:51:59Z<p>Phisho: /* Notes */ unsigned comment more appropriate for discussion section posted here. will move to discussion section</p>
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| number = 312<br />
| image = KM312-TheLastOne.jpg<br />
| caption = Together we stand strong!<br />
| blogger = Sophie<br />
| date = 20080629<br />
| url = {{KM|374}}<br />
| forumid = 833<br />
| length = 4:43<br />
| description = This is going to be the last upload for a while. Thank you everyone! We love you!<br />
| location = [[The new flat]]<br />
| tags = {{tags|KateModern|LG15|lonelygirl15|Sophie}}<br />
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| execprod = Miles Beckett and Greg Goodfried<br />
| coexecprod = Joanna Shields and Amanda Goodfried<br />
| setprod = Louis Figgis<br />
| lineprod = Kelly Brett<br />
| pc = Elisabeth Pinto<br />
| ic = Jonathan Almond<br />
| pr = Meryl Iona Edwards<br />
| directors = Yusuf Pirhasan<br />
| headwriter = Luke Hyams<br />
| vidplay = Lawrence Tallis<br />
| story = Luke Hyams, Neil Mossey, and Lawrence Tallis<br />
| editor = John Palmer<br />
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{{VidChar|Gavin}}<br />
{{VidChar|Lee}}<br />
{{VidChar|Charlie}}<br />
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==Transcript==<br />
(''Lee is following Charlie, Lauren, Gavin and Sophie'')<br />
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'''Sophie''': Are you guys sure you're up for a party? Okay, stupid question.<br />
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'''Gavin''': Hey, I wonder what our cult-inclined friend has got lined up for us?<br />
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'''Sophie''': Yeah.<br />
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'''Gavin''': I bet knowing him it'll be a right mental rave up. Oh no, actually, maybe just some coolade and a mass suicide. Nobody would be expecting that would they?<br />
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'''Lauren''': Uh, you're one to talk, looney-bin boy! Shouldn't we be hiding you from them men in white coats?<br />
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'''Gavin''': Yeah actually that's a good point, keep an eye out for them. Anyway I'm feeling much better now! So, is Kate coming tonight?<br />
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(''The group stares at Gavin in disbelief'')<br />
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'''Gavin''': Jesus, it was a joke, lighten up!<br />
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(''Cut to Steve, who has decorated a bench with balloons.'')<br />
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'''Steve''': (''He blows a kazoo.'') Happy birthday!<br />
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'''Lauren''': Aw, thanks.<br />
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'''Steve''': Hey Charlie.<br />
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'''Charlie''': Hey.<br />
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'''Steve''': I'm so sorry, I promise I'll never leave you again.<br />
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'''Charlie''': Oh, it's okay.<br />
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'''Gavin''': (''To the camera'') Don't worry folks, it's not over yet. <br />
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'''Charlie''': It's good to see you.<br />
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'''Gavin''': I'll be there to pick up the pieces as soon as Steve decides which freaky religion he's gonna follow next.<br />
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'''Lee''': Do you really think that's gonna happen Gav?<br />
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'''Gavin''': Shit, of course it is. Don't ask daft questions, you've gotta get me a drink here. Hey, mine's a pint of champagne.<br />
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'''Lee''': Yes boss!<br />
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'''Lauren''': Here Gav.<br />
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'''Steve''': Here we go guys, take a cup. <br />
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'''Lauren''': Thank you.<br />
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(''Lauren uncorks the bottle as the group cheers. She drinks from the bottle.'')<br />
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'''Lee''': Oi, that's for everyone!<br />
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'''Lauren''': Get your own! It's my birthday.<br />
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'''Steve''': Who wants that on the floor? Come on, share out.<br />
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'''Lauren''': That's good.<br />
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'''Steve''': Thank you.<br />
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(''Charlie is holding her phone.'')<br />
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'''Steve''': Charlie, what're you doing?<br />
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(''A video of Julia on Charlie's phone plays.'')<br />
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'''Julia''': I hope you're happy bastards. I hope you go and live happily ever after. You think you're out the woods now but I promise you you're not. It's all your fault, all of you! I was never a part of this until I met you and now look. Look what you've done! Don't think you're getting away with this. Because you won't, any of you. Just remember what I've got inside me. (''Uninteligible''). Because they'll come back one day. And you'll be sorry for what you did to that child's parents. <br />
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(''Charlie puts her phone down.'')<br />
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'''Steve''': Come on, it's okay.<br />
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(''Lee zooms into the background to spot a familiar figure.'')<br />
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'''Lee''': Meryl? Meryl! Meryl! Meryl. Oh, can you do us a favour? <br />
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'''Meryl''': What?<br />
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'''Lee''': Can you just hold that for a minute?<br />
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'''Meryl''': I've gotta-<br />
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'''Lee''': Oh please please please please please please please!<br />
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(''The camera is passed to Meryl as Lee runs back to the group.'')<br />
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(''Cut to Charlie in Steve's arms.'')<br />
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'''Charlie''': I mean, I'm just saying it might be worth a try. You know, all this madness only started happening when we started uploading our videos all the time. <br />
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'''Gavin''': Yeah it's a fair point.<br />
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'''Lauren''': Not for me. I only got involved when you lot turned up on my doorstep. And I only started blogging to tell you to get lost. <br />
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'''Sophie''': Ah, but actually you were involved when you started doing the drug trials.<br />
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'''Gavin''': That's true.<br />
<br />
'''Lauren''': Oh yeah.<br />
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'''Sophie''': And if you guys hadn't blogged then I wouldn't have known any of you. I'd never have met Lee.<br />
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(''The group awws except for Gavin, who makes nauseous noises.'')<br />
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'''Charlie''': Get a room, get a room, get a room! <br />
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'''Steve''': There's no reason for thinking that just because the two things coincided that filming ourselves actually caused any of the bad things to happen.<br />
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'''Gavin''': Well yeah, but it can't have helped can it? Eh? The Order knowing everything we say or do, it kind of made things a bit easier for them didn't it.<br />
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'''Lauren''': Not if you're clever enough to use it to your advantage.<br />
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'''Gavin''': Yeah, we weren't.<br />
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'''Charlie''': Well what do you reckon? Do we give it a try? It's got to be all of us or nothing. (''She puts her hand in the middle of the group.'')<br />
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'''Gavin''': Yeah I'm in. (''He places his hand on top of hers.'')<br />
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'''Lee''': Me too. (''His hand joins the others.'')<br />
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'''Lauren''': Alright, me three. (''Her hand goes on top of the other three.'')<br />
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'''Steve''': Go on then. I'm in. (''He puts his hand on the pile.'')<br />
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'''Sophie''': Well I haven't got much to do if all you guys stop doing it do I? (''Her hand goes on top of the others.'')<br />
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(''The group counts to three, and then raise their hands, cheering.'')<br />
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'''Lee''': Wait, what if something really crazy happens, can we start filming again then?<br />
<br />
'''Charlie''': If you want, I guess.<br />
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'''Gavin''': Okay. Alright, well if we're gonna do this - properly - that starters will need to go off. Meryl, give me that camera, I'm gonna smash it to pieces.<br />
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(''Gavin takes the camera from Meryl.'')<br />
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'''Gavin''': Right, what do you reckon?<br />
<br />
'''Lee''': No wait wait wait wait wait wait, that's my camera!<br />
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'''Charlie''': No no actually, isn't that my camera? It's mine!<br />
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'''Gavin''': Mmm, technically speaking, isn't it Terrence's camera? Break it, break it, break it!<br />
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'''Charlie''': First...<br />
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(''Charlie takes the camera to show herself and Gavin.'')<br />
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'''Charlie''': Here's a toast to our good friend KateModern... Or whatever your name was.<br />
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'''Gavin''': Hm.<br />
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'''Charlie''': You know, without whom we'd never-<br />
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'''Gavin''': Oh just get on with it, smash it! Bye!<br />
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(''The K-Team cheers as the camera is thrown into the air. It spins and then lands on the ground, and at last the picture flickers out.'')<br />
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==Notes==<br />
* If the camera that the group destroys is the camera taken from Terrence in [[The Last Work: 10PM]], then the camera is not Terrence's. It belongs to St. Grinstead Psychiatric Research Institution, as Gavin stole it from them and Terrence stole it from Gavin.</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=135521Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-07-10T05:22:31Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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Someone<br />
tell<br />
me<br />
how<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah <br><br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]<br />
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=135460Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-07-10T00:40:36Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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Please Respond!<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br><br />
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br />
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)</div>Phishohttp://lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=135370Talk:Portal:lonelygirl152008-07-09T19:01:51Z<p>Phisho: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */</p>
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<div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br />
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br />
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br />
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== Spencer ==<br />
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br />
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Screenshots? ==<br />
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br />
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== Missions ==<br />
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== OpAphid ==<br />
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Someone!!! ==<br />
<br />
Someone<br />
tell<br />
me<br />
how<br />
to<br />
put<br />
a<br />
video<br />
up!?<br />
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== Outdating ==<br />
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br />
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:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br />
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br />
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:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br />
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br />
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== New Series Portal Images ==<br />
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br />
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br><br />
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br />
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br />
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== Emma ==<br />
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Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br />
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br />
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== New Bree Portal Image ==<br />
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br />
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br />
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br />
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br />
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br />
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br />
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br />
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Current Main Characters?? ==<br />
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I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay.<br />
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br />
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br />
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br />
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br />
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br />
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== Opinions on new news design? ==<br />
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br><br />
Known problems:<br />
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br />
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks :)<br />
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br />
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br />
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.<br />
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br />
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br />
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br />
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br />
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br />
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Brand New Images ==<br />
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br />
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br />
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I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br />
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::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dates for videos==<br />
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:I say they all should list the date.<br />
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br />
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== 'Breeniverse' ==<br />
<br />
This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br />
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --><br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br />
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== New portal image ==<br />
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br />
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br />
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br />
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New portal title image. ==<br />
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br />
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it would look like this:<br><br />
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br />
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br />
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br />
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br><br />
::Here:<br><br />
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br><br />
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br />
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== GINA ==<br />
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br />
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RESPOND!<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
RESPOND<br />
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br />
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== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br />
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br />
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br />
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br />
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br />
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br />
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br />
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br />
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Portal Images ==<br />
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br><br />
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== Steve on LG15? ==<br />
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br />
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==<br />
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br />
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br />
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br />
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Redesign ==<br />
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br />
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br />
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br />
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br />
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==Main Character Merit==<br />
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br />
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br />
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br />
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br />
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Order of Characters ==<br />
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Gina on the character row ==<br />
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What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br />
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br />
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br />
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br />
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==Video Screencap Redirects==<br />
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br />
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br />
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br />
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br />
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*Bree - 153<br />
*Daniel - 273<br />
*Gemma - 21<br />
*Jonas - 242<br />
*OpAphid - 33<br />
*Tachyon - 12<br />
*Alex - 15<br />
*Sarah - 134<br />
*Taylor - 47<br />
*Spencer - 24<br />
*Emma - 62<br />
*Mallory - 22<br />
*Jennie - 76<br />
*Gina - 61<br />
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br />
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br />
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br />
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br />
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br />
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br />
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br />
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel & Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah & Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina & Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br />
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