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Crowcity at 17:46, 30 January 2007

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24.57.4.38 at 17:43, 30 January 2007

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LordGreystoke422 at 16:23, 30 January 2007

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OwenIsCool at 05:49, 30 January 2007

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LordGreystoke422 at 04:40, 30 January 2007

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LordGreystoke422 at 19:02, 28 January 2007

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	Remove my videos? These are not my videos! I work with Codename Triple Knot and we just wanted either LL or GC to be featured. And WHY BRING UP that your against it yet again? The nomination is DOWN. So stop going on about it, please. -- Crowcity.		Remove my videos? These are not my videos! I work with Codename Triple Knot and we just wanted either LL or GC to be featured. And WHY BRING UP that your against it yet again? The nomination is DOWN. So stop going on about it, please. -- Crowcity.
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		+	In fact, can the discussion page just be reset if it's no longer nominated? Since this whole discussion is about it's nomination? [[User:Crowcity]]

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	::::Crow, Can I be blunt..if you are this sensitive and think what we have said here is harsh and we are pissed off..maybe you need to pull your videos and go home. You wanna talk about nasty things said about ya? Pssshaaaw..this is nothing. This page reads like my compliments.. No really. This is a discussion page and we are discussing things. As to being pissed off..about the only thing you said that irritated me was to lighten up..which is why I brought up my videos..meaning..even if you have only seen a segment or 2 briefly..you would know that "lighten up" is not part of my vocabulary or nature. Also..the name is LordGreystoke.. No S..just a 422.		::::Crow, Can I be blunt..if you are this sensitive and think what we have said here is harsh and we are pissed off..maybe you need to pull your videos and go home. You wanna talk about nasty things said about ya? Pssshaaaw..this is nothing. This page reads like my compliments.. No really. This is a discussion page and we are discussing things. As to being pissed off..about the only thing you said that irritated me was to lighten up..which is why I brought up my videos..meaning..even if you have only seen a segment or 2 briefly..you would know that "lighten up" is not part of my vocabulary or nature. Also..the name is LordGreystoke.. No S..just a 422.
	OIC I am still against this because of the confusion with the Cassie situation. Like I said..I am much more comfortable with GC being featured. Additionally we have the bias that is currently in the LadyLazurus article..it's not particularly neutral. Which brings me to...that video I need to do this morning for Pedia recruitment....get the rollback button ready..mwahahahaha. -- [[User:LordGreystoke422\|LordGreystoke422]] 08:31, 30 January 2007 (CST)		OIC I am still against this because of the confusion with the Cassie situation. Like I said..I am much more comfortable with GC being featured. Additionally we have the bias that is currently in the LadyLazurus article..it's not particularly neutral. Which brings me to...that video I need to do this morning for Pedia recruitment....get the rollback button ready..mwahahahaha. -- [[User:LordGreystoke422\|LordGreystoke422]] 08:31, 30 January 2007 (CST)
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		+	Remove my videos? These are not my videos! I work with Codename Triple Knot and we just wanted either LL or GC to be featured. And WHY BRING UP that your against it yet again? The nomination is DOWN. So stop going on about it, please. -- Crowcity.

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	::::Crow, Can I be blunt..if you are this sensitive and think what we have said here is harsh and we are pissed off..maybe you need to pull your videos and go home. You wanna talk about nasty things said about ya? Pssshaaaw..this is nothing. This page reads like my compliments.. No really. This is a discussion page and we are discussing things. As to being pissed off..about the only thing you said that irritated me was to lighten up..which is why I brought up my videos..meaning..even if you have only seen a segment or 2 briefly..you would know that "lighten up" is not part of my vocabulary or nature. Also..the name is LordGreystoke.. No S..just a 422.		::::Crow, Can I be blunt..if you are this sensitive and think what we have said here is harsh and we are pissed off..maybe you need to pull your videos and go home. You wanna talk about nasty things said about ya? Pssshaaaw..this is nothing. This page reads like my compliments.. No really. This is a discussion page and we are discussing things. As to being pissed off..about the only thing you said that irritated me was to lighten up..which is why I brought up my videos..meaning..even if you have only seen a segment or 2 briefly..you would know that "lighten up" is not part of my vocabulary or nature. Also..the name is LordGreystoke.. No S..just a 422.
−	OIC I am still against this because of the confusion with the Cassie situation. Like I said..I am much more comfortable with GC being featured. Additionally we have the bias that is currently in the LadyLazurus article..it's not particularly neutral. Which brings me to...that video I need to do this morning for Pedia recruitment....get the rollback button ready..mwahahahaha. --[[User:~~70.196.49.233~~\|~~70.196.49.233~~]] 08:31, 30 January 2007 (CST)	+	OIC I am still against this because of the confusion with the Cassie situation. Like I said..I am much more comfortable with GC being featured. Additionally we have the bias that is currently in the LadyLazurus article..it's not particularly neutral. Which brings me to...that video I need to do this morning for Pedia recruitment....get the rollback button ready..mwahahahaha. -- [[User:LordGreystoke422\|LordGreystoke422]] 08:31, 30 January 2007 (CST)

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	Look, I'm very sorry, but I don't know how to sign without an anonymous IP. I'm kknda new tothat. And yes,I think I've seen a vid or two of your LordGreyStokes, but I also think that's quite beside the point. Honestly,I took down the nomination and it'll stay that way. Soryy for whatever I did to piss you people off. -User Crowcity.		Look, I'm very sorry, but I don't know how to sign without an anonymous IP. I'm kknda new tothat. And yes,I think I've seen a vid or two of your LordGreyStokes, but I also think that's quite beside the point. Honestly,I took down the nomination and it'll stay that way. Soryy for whatever I did to piss you people off. -User Crowcity.
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		+	::::Crow, Can I be blunt..if you are this sensitive and think what we have said here is harsh and we are pissed off..maybe you need to pull your videos and go home. You wanna talk about nasty things said about ya? Pssshaaaw..this is nothing. This page reads like my compliments.. No really. This is a discussion page and we are discussing things. As to being pissed off..about the only thing you said that irritated me was to lighten up..which is why I brought up my videos..meaning..even if you have only seen a segment or 2 briefly..you would know that "lighten up" is not part of my vocabulary or nature. Also..the name is LordGreystoke.. No S..just a 422.
		+	OIC I am still against this because of the confusion with the Cassie situation. Like I said..I am much more comfortable with GC being featured. Additionally we have the bias that is currently in the LadyLazurus article..it's not particularly neutral. Which brings me to...that video I need to do this morning for Pedia recruitment....get the rollback button ready..mwahahahaha. --[[User:70.196.49.233\|70.196.49.233]] 08:31, 30 January 2007 (CST)

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	I do admit however, that featuring GuillotineCalamity would probably make more sense. We can still link to LL as one of the related articles in the Main page blurb while GC is being featured (kinda like Mr. Seal is mentioned in the lonelygirl362436 blurb). Ok... so... again I'm sorry if this winds up starting another big debate or something... let's all be friends ok?		I do admit however, that featuring GuillotineCalamity would probably make more sense. We can still link to LL as one of the related articles in the Main page blurb while GC is being featured (kinda like Mr. Seal is mentioned in the lonelygirl362436 blurb). Ok... so... again I'm sorry if this winds up starting another big debate or something... let's all be friends ok?
	[[User:OwenIsCool\|OwenIsCool]] 23:49, 29 January 2007 (CST)		[[User:OwenIsCool\|OwenIsCool]] 23:49, 29 January 2007 (CST)
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		+	Look, I'm very sorry, but I don't know how to sign without an anonymous IP. I'm kknda new tothat. And yes,I think I've seen a vid or two of your LordGreyStokes, but I also think that's quite beside the point. Honestly,I took down the nomination and it'll stay that way. Soryy for whatever I did to piss you people off. -User Crowcity.

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	:::::::::::First off..if YOU removed the nomination..you should have documented. Good Pedia work is all about documentation and tracking. So on that note..can ya sign your posts? Finally, did you tell ME to lighten up? Ehem..::looks around:: You talkin to me?		:::::::::::First off..if YOU removed the nomination..you should have documented. Good Pedia work is all about documentation and tracking. So on that note..can ya sign your posts? Finally, did you tell ME to lighten up? Ehem..::looks around:: You talkin to me?
	You obviously don't know me or much about me. Which brings me to another point..a little egocentrism on your part. If you've been around LG15 and the fan vids...most people that have watched any vids have seen about 30 seconds of at least 2 out of nearly 60..of my videos before getting disgusted and clicking off. That being said..if you had done even that you would realize the futility of telling me to lighten up...especially when that post was already light for me. Part of the reason for my post was that OIC didnt want a nomination just deleted without discussion..if the nominator rescinds..then say it..and its probably over..Now..happy editing. --[[User:LordGreystoke422\|LordGreystoke422]] 22:40, 29 January 2007 (CST)		You obviously don't know me or much about me. Which brings me to another point..a little egocentrism on your part. If you've been around LG15 and the fan vids...most people that have watched any vids have seen about 30 seconds of at least 2 out of nearly 60..of my videos before getting disgusted and clicking off. That being said..if you had done even that you would realize the futility of telling me to lighten up...especially when that post was already light for me. Part of the reason for my post was that OIC didnt want a nomination just deleted without discussion..if the nominator rescinds..then say it..and its probably over..Now..happy editing. --[[User:LordGreystoke422\|LordGreystoke422]] 22:40, 29 January 2007 (CST)
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		+	I'm sorry if I caused any confusion by putting the nomination back on. Since it was from an anonymous IP, I didn't realize it was taken off by the same person who nominated it. That being said, I think we've missed the point of Featured Articles in this debate. A feature is meant to bring attention to a well-written article that probably would not get as much attention otherwise. Call it free publicity--fine, that's actually what it is.
		+	The LL page is actually much improved and I wouldn't be so against featuring it, provided we modified the introduction so as to be very very clear to the newbies what LL's role is in this whole thing. We don't have much on the queue for Featured Article right now. We're currently featuring Lonelygirl362436 to highlight the attention that LG15 has gotten from Epic Movie, and next we were planning on possibly featuring Nikki Bower or Alli D., in light of her recent "unveiling" by Milowent. HSA is also nominated, but it's not ready. Having said that... I don't think we need to be so exclusive about our FA.
		+	I do admit however, that featuring GuillotineCalamity would probably make more sense. We can still link to LL as one of the related articles in the Main page blurb while GC is being featured (kinda like Mr. Seal is mentioned in the lonelygirl362436 blurb). Ok... so... again I'm sorry if this winds up starting another big debate or something... let's all be friends ok?
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−	::::::::: I am very much against the use of this as a featured article because doing so would seem to endorse their content to the average viewer. The fact that they are trying to jack the cassie concept could just lead to more confusion with the newbies with regards to cassie. We only now have about what? 4 of them? Especially now that there is more evidence that CiW is related to Alli D's crew...thats Nikki B's real name. In other words there is more evidence than ever that CiW is canon. I am all for promoting fan produced content I just don't think that LadyLazurus has garnered enough of their own Mojo to warrant the attention. Additionally, I don't see them as being particularly supportive of others outside of their arc. I know they are related but I would be more comfortable with Guillotine Calamity being featured. I haven't been keeping up with ~~everthing~~ but I would nix this suggestion as well if Sister's immediate vids deal with the cassie concept. Additionally I am not fond of ~~nomimations~~ originating from an IP address. Also, I think the nomination should come from someone other than the PM or someone intimately involved with the project. It's one thing to work on the page yourself..ehem..cause if you don't it often won't get done..but it's another to nominate your own work for a spotlight. This leaves the article not very neutral which in this case because of the cassie concept I say absolutely not to the featuring. I mean heck..they nominated it and then did about 50 edits to the page...kinda backwards if you ask me. Someone just wants some promotion for promotion sake. Also, sign your freaking posts. Any other questions? --[[User:LordGreystoke422\|LordGreystoke422]] 13:02, 28 January 2007 (CST)	+	::::::::: I am very much against the use of this as a featured article because doing so would seem to endorse their content to the average viewer. The fact that they are trying to jack the cassie concept could just lead to more confusion with the newbies with regards to cassie. We only now have about what? 4 of them? Especially now that there is more evidence that CiW is related to Alli D's crew...thats Nikki B's real name. In other words there is more evidence than ever that CiW is canon. I am all for promoting fan produced content I just don't think that LadyLazurus has garnered enough of their own Mojo to warrant the attention. Additionally, I don't see them as being particularly supportive of others outside of their arc. I know they are related but I would be more comfortable with Guillotine Calamity being featured. I haven't been keeping up with everything but I would nix this suggestion as well if Sister's immediate vids deal with the cassie concept. Additionally I am not fond of nominations originating from an IP address. Also, I think the nomination should come from someone other than the PM or someone intimately involved with the project. It's one thing to work on the page yourself..ehem..cause if you don't it often won't get done..but it's another to nominate your own work for a spotlight. This leaves the article not very neutral which in this case because of the cassie concept I say absolutely not to the featuring. I mean heck..they nominated it and then did about 50 edits to the page...kinda backwards if you ask me. Someone just wants some promotion for promotion sake. Also, sign your freaking posts. Any other questions? --[[User:LordGreystoke422\|LordGreystoke422]] 13:02, 28 January 2007 (CST)

	I'm sorry...I tried DEnominating this page, but I guess someone re-added the nomination bit at the top. Once again...removed. And lighten up, pal. Seriously.		I'm sorry...I tried DEnominating this page, but I guess someone re-added the nomination bit at the top. Once again...removed. And lighten up, pal. Seriously.
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		+	:::::::::::First off..if YOU removed the nomination..you should have documented. Good Pedia work is all about documentation and tracking. So on that note..can ya sign your posts? Finally, did you tell ME to lighten up? Ehem..::looks around:: You talkin to me?
		+	You obviously don't know me or much about me. Which brings me to another point..a little egocentrism on your part. If you've been around LG15 and the fan vids...most people that have watched any vids have seen about 30 seconds of at least 2 out of nearly 60..of my videos before getting disgusted and clicking off. That being said..if you had done even that you would realize the futility of telling me to lighten up...especially when that post was already light for me. Part of the reason for my post was that OIC didnt want a nomination just deleted without discussion..if the nominator rescinds..then say it..and its probably over..Now..happy editing. --[[User:LordGreystoke422\|LordGreystoke422]] 22:40, 29 January 2007 (CST)

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	LL's page should be nominated because it appears to be very-well related to opAphid (see "Cassie part 1 and 2) and overall appears to be adding to the opaphid/GuillotineCalamity arc. --209.202.75.74		LL's page should be nominated because it appears to be very-well related to opAphid (see "Cassie part 1 and 2) and overall appears to be adding to the opaphid/GuillotineCalamity arc. --209.202.75.74

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	::::::::: I am very much against the use of this as a featured article because doing so would seem to endorse their content to the average viewer. The fact that they are trying to jack the cassie concept could just lead to more confusion with the newbies with regards to cassie. We only now have about what? 4 of them? Especially now that there is more evidence that CiW is related to Alli D's crew...thats Nikki B's real name. In other words there is more evidence than ever that CiW is canon. I am all for promoting fan produced content I just don't think that LadyLazurus has garnered enough of their own Mojo to warrant the attention. Additionally, I don't see them as being particularly supportive of others outside of their arc. I know they are related but I would be more comfortable with Guillotine Calamity being featured. I haven't been keeping up with everthing but I would nix this suggestion as well if Sister's immediate vids deal with the cassie concept. Additionally I am not fond of nomimations originating from an IP address. Also, I think the nomination should come from someone other than the PM or someone intimately involved with the project. It's one thing to work on the page yourself..ehem..cause if you don't it often won't get done..but it's another to nominate your own work for a spotlight. This leaves the article not very neutral which in this case because of the cassie concept I say absolutely not to the featuring. I mean heck..they nominated it and then did about 50 edits to the page...kinda backwards if you ask me. Someone just wants some promotion for promotion sake. Also, sign your freaking posts. Any other questions? --[[User:LordGreystoke422\|LordGreystoke422]] 13:02, 28 January 2007 (CST)		::::::::: I am very much against the use of this as a featured article because doing so would seem to endorse their content to the average viewer. The fact that they are trying to jack the cassie concept could just lead to more confusion with the newbies with regards to cassie. We only now have about what? 4 of them? Especially now that there is more evidence that CiW is related to Alli D's crew...thats Nikki B's real name. In other words there is more evidence than ever that CiW is canon. I am all for promoting fan produced content I just don't think that LadyLazurus has garnered enough of their own Mojo to warrant the attention. Additionally, I don't see them as being particularly supportive of others outside of their arc. I know they are related but I would be more comfortable with Guillotine Calamity being featured. I haven't been keeping up with everthing but I would nix this suggestion as well if Sister's immediate vids deal with the cassie concept. Additionally I am not fond of nomimations originating from an IP address. Also, I think the nomination should come from someone other than the PM or someone intimately involved with the project. It's one thing to work on the page yourself..ehem..cause if you don't it often won't get done..but it's another to nominate your own work for a spotlight. This leaves the article not very neutral which in this case because of the cassie concept I say absolutely not to the featuring. I mean heck..they nominated it and then did about 50 edits to the page...kinda backwards if you ask me. Someone just wants some promotion for promotion sake. Also, sign your freaking posts. Any other questions? --[[User:LordGreystoke422\|LordGreystoke422]] 13:02, 28 January 2007 (CST)
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		+	I'm sorry...I tried DEnominating this page, but I guess someone re-added the nomination bit at the top. Once again...removed. And lighten up, pal. Seriously.

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 LL's page should be nominated because it appears to be very-well related to opAphid (see "Cassie part 1 and 2) and overall appears to be adding to the opaphid/GuillotineCalamity arc. --209.202.75.74
-I'm not sure I second the nomination, as the page itself is not particularly rich in content, but I do think these videos deserve further examination as to their full relationship to cassieiswatching and OpAphid. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 10:29, 24 January 2007 (CST)
+::I'm not sure I second the nomination, as the page itself is not particularly rich in content, but I do think these videos deserve further examination as to their full relationship to cassieiswatching and OpAphid. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 10:29, 24 January 2007 (CST)
-I'm working on expanding the page now. - User Crowcity.
+:::I'm working on expanding the page now. - User Crowcity.
-:I'm also not sure I support it as a feature since it seems to imply that GuillotineCalamity and the rest are somehow connected in the series.  I can't remember exactly where I read this, but someone said that in an email GC had clearly stated that she was ''not'' canon.  I think I'd rather do a feature on LonesomeOctober or some other overtly fanfiction series, not something speculative.  But I guess we'll see how this page turns out.  [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:05, 24 January 2007 (CST)
+::::I'm also not sure I support it as a feature since it seems to imply that GuillotineCalamity and the rest are somehow connected in the series.  I can't remember exactly where I read this, but someone said that in an email GC had clearly stated that she was ''not'' canon.  I think I'd rather do a feature on LonesomeOctober or some other overtly fanfiction series, not something speculative.  But I guess we'll see how this page turns out.  [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:05, 24 January 2007 (CST)
-Ok. Lots of edits have just been made. Pictures now. Would it be better if I made sure to specify LL as fan fiction? She IS listed in that section. [[User:Crowcity|Crowcity]]
+:::::Ok. Lots of edits have just been made. Pictures now. Would it be better if I made sure to specify LL as fan fiction? She IS listed in that section. [[User:Crowcity|Crowcity]]
-:Seems kind of unfair to have this featured. LadyLazarus is nowhere close to a prominent fanfic, it's a sub-fanfic to the slightly more well known GC. Not only is GC fan-fic though, but it's a fanfic in response to a fanfic OpAphid. So basically if we were to 'Venn diagram' LL, it'd be a circle within the circle of GC within the cirlce of OpAphid, which in the scheme of things is still a relatively small circle within Lonelygirl15 itself. Featuring it would basically be nothing more than a way to publicise this not very well-known fanfic... but in order to understand LL you'd have to be someone who has been watching GC and presumably at least some of her hoard of additional characters, and in order to be a GC watcher you already would have had to be an OpAphid follower. It's just far too specific. There are other fanfics (for example LO as previously mentioned) which are level one spin-offs, all you need to know is lonelygirl itself to follow it, while LL is like at least three levels down from that (4th degree or so- I just made that term up.) Also I know you've been improving the article, but too many edits! The past 50 edits are like 95% just to this page. [[User:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] 13:58, 26 January 2007 (CST)
+::::::Seems kind of unfair to have this featured. LadyLazarus is nowhere close to a prominent fanfic, it's a sub-fanfic to the slightly more well known GC. Not only is GC fan-fic though, but it's a fanfic in response to a fanfic OpAphid. So basically if we were to 'Venn diagram' LL, it'd be a circle within the circle of GC within the cirlce of OpAphid, which in the scheme of things is still a relatively small circle within Lonelygirl15 itself. Featuring it would basically be nothing more than a way to publicise this not very well-known fanfic... but in order to understand LL you'd have to be someone who has been watching GC and presumably at least some of her hoard of additional characters, and in order to be a GC watcher you already would have had to be an OpAphid follower. It's just far too specific. There are other fanfics (for example LO as previously mentioned) which are level one spin-offs, all you need to know is lonelygirl itself to follow it, while LL is like at least three levels down from that (4th degree or so- I just made that term up.) Also I know you've been improving the article, but too many edits! The past 50 edits are like 95% just to this page. [[User:71.224.243.78|71.224.243.78]] 13:58, 26 January 2007 (CST)
-Sorry for wanting to edit the page. And I used preview.
+:::::::Sorry for wanting to edit the page. And I used preview.
-Sorry for the inconvenience, there.  Just trying to be as informative as we can with the page.  Unfortunately, information comes in at an unseemly rate, at times.  I apologize once again for the disturbance.  I and my colleagues take all your comments and criticisms with a grain of salt.  Hopefully, there will no longer be any other problems as such.
+::::::::Sorry for the inconvenience, there.  Just trying to be as informative as we can with the page.  Unfortunately, information comes in at an unseemly rate, at times.  I apologize once again for the disturbance.  I and my colleagues take all your comments and criticisms with a grain of salt.  Hopefully, there will no longer be any other problems as such.