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Zoey: /* Bot tasks (completed) */

2007-05-27T05:37:40Z

‎Bot tasks (completed)

Zoey at 20:52, 14 May 2007

2007-05-14T20:52:32Z

Zoey: /* Video template */

2007-05-13T22:42:25Z

‎Video template

Zoey: /* Links in tags */

2007-05-13T22:24:02Z

‎Links in tags

Jonpro: moved completed tasks from main talk page

2007-03-30T22:44:32Z

moved completed tasks from main talk page

Jonpro: archive

2007-03-26T20:27:47Z

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This is an archive of [[User talk:LGBot]]. Discussions will be moved here when the related task is complete.

==Bot tasks (completed)==
*Fix formatting in videos from <nowiki>''(text)''</nowiki> to <nowiki>(''text'')</nowiki> per [[LGPedia:General style guide]].
*Add {{tl|tag}} to all articles in [[:Category:YouTube tags]].
*Correct capitalization of [[The Order]] to "the Order".
*Correct capitalization of [[The creators]] to "the Creators".

== Great job! ==

Hey Jonpro,<br>
Great work with the bot! Looks like it's running smoothly... as for tasks, think it could change instances of [[The Order]] to [[the Order]]? Actually, I'm not sure which one is correct, but I think there's instances of both floating about the wiki. Thoughts anyone?<br>
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:39, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
:i think "the" is definitely the correct form. --[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 01:56, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, whichever one is correct, I'm pretty sure the bot could fix those. And I think "the Order" is correct as well. Is there anyone who thinks it should be "The Order"?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:38, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

::: You know, in real life these things are often a matter of belief. For example, a Christian would say "We pray to Him" where non-Christians would more likely write "They pray to him." So Lucy would probably write "We in The Order" because, to her, it's ''The'' Order and there is no other Order. Thank Goodness this isn't real wikipedia where we'd have to make a decision about real people's deeply held religious beliefs. For what it's worth, the official description of [[Date With P. Monkey]] also capitalizes "The" in the middle of a sentence. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:43, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

::::i think that only applies to the capitalization of "order." for ex, someone wouldn't say "Our God."--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 18:47, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

::::: [[Date With P. Monkey]] and [[Me For Daniel]] capitalizes mid-sentence. In [[Bree Is Crazy]] Daniel leaves it lower case. I thought of another example of the controversy. Newspapers insist on capitalization, such as ''The New York Times'', but others insist it should be the ''New York Times''. I guess there's no right or wrong answer. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:25, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

::::::well no one's saying it should be "Order." and that's different, it's a publication title, so the first word would have to be capitalized.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 02:21, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Another one similar to this is [[The creators]]. Is it "the Creators", "The Creators", or "the creators"?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:34, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

:I think what Jay pointed out about "The/the Order" in the descriptions is interesting. Looks like Bree (who was brought up by them) capitalizes "The", but Daniel (an outsider) does not. I would go with "the Order" then. This may be about Bree, but the LGPedia clearly does not exist in the Breeniverse. The characters are barely aware that there's a forum, and I'd bet anything the wiki doesn't exist to them. We are "outsiders". We use "the Order".
:For "the Creators", even though that's the spelling that I've been using, if we're standardizing it, I would prefer to use "the creators". If this were a movie, you wouldn't be saying "The Executive Producers" mid-sentence, would you? The current article on the creators (which is actually titled "The creators") says that they might call themselves that because they liken themselves to gods (a possible argument for capitalizing Creators?). However, I don't think the article should read that way (it's kind of disrespectful to them, really). A much more likely explanation is that 1) they "created" the Breeniverse and 2) their roles in the production defy easy classification. Each of them often takes on various roles in different videos (as evidenced by the credits). Soo... I'm still for "the creators". [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 10:05, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

What about "the create-a-trons"?? >:-} [[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]

::I think OIC and Skeeta's reasoning for "the Order" is pretty compelling. I never noticed the strange language in the Creators article before. I think it's obvious that "the Creators" refers to how they created the Breeniverse, not that they think they have God-like powers on earth. I can go either way on the c's. I think the best argument for lowercase c is OIC's above, I think the best argument for upper case C is that "The Creators" is their account at the forum. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:42, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

:::Ok, so "the Order" it is unless anyone has any last objections. For [[the creators]], I'm in favor of "the Creators" personally. I see the name as a title, like "Mr. President", only it refers to a group of people rather than just one. It's almost like "the Creators" is their collective name. After all, people do say things like "please, Creators, we want a new video". Really, either way is fine with me, but that's just my opinion.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 13:45, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
::::I think you can safely make the edits for "the Order" now, it's a pretty clear consensus. For "the Creators", you can go ahead with this option. Although I lean towards "the creators", I could go either way, like Jay. I also think the forum account, with capital "C" is pretty compelling. So "the Creators" it is. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:24, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

== A few bad edits ==

The bot recently made a few bad edits to [[Bree]], [[Daniel]], and a couple other pages due to an error in logic on my part. I was removing leading blank lines from the YouTube tag pages and accidentally removed some (necessary) blank lines in a few other articles. I have reverted all of the bots bad edits and fixed the logic so it won't happen again.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:36, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

==Redirects==
I just moved [[Other fanfic]] to [[LG15 Spin-offs]]. This probably generated a lot of links to redirects. Just giving you a heads up in case you feel like zapping them with LGBot. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:21, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:Thanks, I think I got all the main links.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:57, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

==[[List of Lonelygirl15 videos/redesign]]==
We're working on a new page for the list of videos and we need to mass transfer information on 100+ vids. The page uses [[Template:VidExpand]] to list the videos. All this needs is the copying and pasting information from the Blog templtates on the video pages. If you look at the [[Talk:List of Lonelygirl15 videos/redesign]] towards the bottom, Renegade kind of describes some of the finer details. Think this is something LGBot can do? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:10, 23 March 2007 (CDT)

==LGBot?==

What exactly does this "bot" do? What is it? A computer program? Maybe put the answers to these questions on the page, unless everyone else already knows what it is *blushes*. [[User:Wingless earthbound|Wingless earthbound]] 15:03, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
:Assuming this MediaWiki installation was not modded in this area, a bot account is nothing but a normal registered account (like yours and mine), but with an extra "bot" flag set that leads to its edits not showing up on [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]] by default (you can still see them by clicking "[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&hidebots=0 Show] bots" in the header).
:In addition, there's an independent set of perl scripts that can be used to automate certain tasks on the wiki, like placing categories or purging stuff. These scripts usually need an account they can log into to have the rights to change certain things.
:Now, since we already established the bot account is like any other account, you see where we're heading - the perl scripts are told to use the bot account to make their changes, and therefore can edit hundreds of pages in rapid succession without Recent changes getting flood-filled with edits saying "LGBot - Removed category" or something.
:Mind though, that the bot account is expressedly like any other account - it is entirely possible for a human to log into and operate it, and use it like any other account - his edits just won't show up on Recent changes by default.
::[[User:Renegade|Renegade]] 18:47, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

::oh. wow. haha. wingless.

:::That's pretty much it. Only I'm using the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Using_the_python_wikipediabot python wikipediabot] so it uses python scripts. I'm still learning how it works, but generally it's good for doing repetitive, tedious tasks that would take a long time for a human to do. It can mass-add categories, replace one string of text with another, correct formatting and typos, etc. And yes, it is just like a regular account except that the changes aren't in the recent changes list. If you want to see the bot's edits, see [[Special:Contributions/LGBot]] or you can click "Show bots" in recent changes.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:13, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

::::Actually, Jonpro, would you mind if I moved the description of what the LGBot can do to its user page? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:52, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::Go right ahead, Jay. I was thinking I should probably put some description on the user page anyway.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:16, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::: I added a light-hearted description, feel free of course, to change it however you like. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:42, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

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 == Video template ==
-I've noticed that only the videos from [[Snow Angels]] on actually use {{tl|blog4}}, and the ones before it use {{tl|blog3}}. Would it be a good idea to try to convert all of them to {{tl|blog4}}? If so, what are the differences between the two templates? If it's nothing too extreme, the bot might be able to make the conversion.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:13, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
+I've noticed that only the videos from [[Snow Angels]] on actually use <nowiki>{{blog4}},</nowiki> and the ones before it use <nowiki>{{blog3}}.</nowiki> Would it be a good idea to try to convert all of them to <nowiki>{{blog4}}?</nowiki> If so, what are the differences between the two templates? If it's nothing too extreme, the bot might be able to make the conversion.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:13, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
-:It seems like the cast is the only difference. And {{tl|blogJP}} is not working completely correct because of the difference between {{tl|blog3}} and {{tl|blog4}}. I think I'll try to find a way to change them all to {{tl|blog4}} sometime tomorrow. The hardest part, I think, is that the {{tl|blog3}} cast is in reverse order, but I'll try to work around that.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 23:32, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
+:It seems like the cast is the only difference. And <nowiki>{{blogJP}} is not working completely correct because of the difference between {{blog3}} and {{blog4}}. I think I'll try to find a way to change them all to {{blog4}} sometime tomorrow. The hardest part, I think, is that the {{blog3}}</nowiki> cast is in reverse order, but I'll try to work around that.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 23:32, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
-::Actually, the {{tl|VidChar}} template is causing problems in {{tl|blogJP}} because it still puts everything into the filmography categories. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:39, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
+::Actually, the <nowiki>{{VidChar}}</nowiki> template is causing problems in <nowiki>{{blogJP}}</nowiki> because it still puts everything into the filmography categories. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:39, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 :::Hmmm, I see what you mean. Maybe create a version of {{tl|VidChar}} for the Japanese transcript pages?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:00, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
-::::Why not just base [[Template:BlogJP]] off [[Template:Blog3]]?  That way you don't have to use VidChar at all.  Yeah, it won't have as many bells and whistles, but that might be a good thing.  So far none of the spin-offs have Blog4-type templates either.  [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:12, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
+::::Why not just base Template:BlogJP off Template:Blog3?  That way you don't have to use VidChar at all.  Yeah, it won't have as many bells and whistles, but that might be a good thing.  So far none of the spin-offs have Blog4-type templates either.  [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:12, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
-:::::Well, this isn't a spin-off though, it's the official videos with a translated transcript.  Basing {{tl|BlogJP}} off {{tl|blog3}} will require the cast to be manually changed on later videos.  Basiing it off {{tl|blog4}} requires it to be manually changed on earlier videos.  It's a wash either way, I guess. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:49, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
+:::::Well, this isn't a spin-off though, it's the official videos with a translated transcript.  Basing <nowiki>{{BlogJP}}</nowiki> off <nowiki>{{blog3}}</nowiki> will require the cast to be manually changed on later videos.  Basiing it off <nowiki>{{blog4}}</nowiki> requires it to be manually changed on earlier videos.  It's a wash either way, I guess. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:49, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
 :::::::Yes, JayHenry-san, it's a [[Aunt Alex|conundrum]].  [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:24, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
-::::::Yes, but I still prefer {{tl|blog4}}. If I can get the rest of the transcripts converted from blog3 to blog4, then when they are copied over for the Japanese pages there won't be a problem. {{tl|Blog4}} will have to be changed to {{tl|BlogJP}} and {{tl|VidChar}} will have to change to {{tl|VidCharJP}} or something like that. I could even do this with the bot if need be (it would be rather simple).--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:04, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
+::::::Yes, but I still prefer <nowiki>{{blog4}}.</nowiki> If I can get the rest of the transcripts converted from blog3 to blog4, then when they are copied over for the Japanese pages there won't be a problem. <nowiki>{{Blog4}}</nowiki> will have to be changed to<nowiki> {{BlogJP}} and {{VidChar}} will have to change to {{VidCharJP}}</nowiki> or something like that. I could even do this with the bot if need be (it would be rather simple).--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:04, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
 :::::::These kind of things make me quite happy that you came up with LGBot.  =)  [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:24, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
-::::::::I've got all of the videos using {{tl|blog4}} now. I made a few mistakes with the bot along the way, but I think everything is right now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:25, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
+::::::::I've got all of the videos using <nowiki>{{blog4}}</nowiki> now. I made a few mistakes with the bot along the way, but I think everything is right now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:25, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 ==Redirects==

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 == Links in tags ==
-I've noticed that some YouTube tag links link to a different page like <nowiki>[[Purple Monkey|purple]]</nowiki>. While this might be helpful, it would keep people from finding videos containing the tag using the "what links here" part of {{tl|tag}}. Also, it could keep a tag page from being created at all. (For example, someone could use <nowiki>[[Alex|hot]]</nowiki> for the "hot" tag meaning [[hot]] would never be linked to and likely never created.) Anyway, I'm thinking that I might be able to have the bot fix these by searching through the tag list and removing the link to the other page. (For example, converting <nowiki>[[Purple Monkey|purple]] to [[purple]]</nowiki>.) Do others see this as a good idea, bad idea, waste of time, exact opposite of what we should do...?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 23:06, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
+I've noticed that some YouTube tag links link to a different page like <nowiki>[[Purple Monkey|purple]]</nowiki>. While this might be helpful, it would keep people from finding videos containing the tag using the "what links here" part of {{tl|tag}}. Also, it could keep a tag page from being created at all. (For example, someone could use <nowiki>[[Alex|hot]]</nowiki> for the "hot" tag meaning hot would never be linked to and likely never created.) Anyway, I'm thinking that I might be able to have the bot fix these by searching through the tag list and removing the link to the other page. (For example, converting <nowiki>[[Purple Monkey|purple]] to [[purple]]</nowiki>.) Do others see this as a good idea, bad idea, waste of time, exact opposite of what we should do...?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 23:06, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 :I went ahead and did this and I think I (or the bot actually) caught them all.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:12, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

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 *Correct capitalization of [[The Order]] to "the Order".
 *Correct capitalization of [[The creators]] to "the Creators".
-*Change instances of {{tl|blog3}} to {{tl|blog4}}.
+*Change instances of blog3 to blog4.
 == Great job! ==

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 ==Bot tasks (completed)==
 *Fix formatting in videos from <nowiki>''(text)''</nowiki> to <nowiki>(''text'')</nowiki> per [[LGPedia:General style guide]].
-*Add {{tl|tag}} to all articles in [[:Category:YouTube tags]].
+*Add {{tl|tag}} to all articles in Category:YouTube tags.
 *Correct capitalization of [[The Order]] to "the Order".
 *Correct capitalization of [[The creators]] to "the Creators".