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== Re-Organization Day ==
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Okay, this conversation has been going on for a while, and now I'm starting to agree with it. We need to find a way to separate KateModern and LG15. The answer: change everything from [[Characters]] to [[KM:Characters]] and [[LG:Characters]]. Sounds easy, right? Wrong-o. There has to be an easier way to do it. There needs to be some idea that we can do and devote a day to changing links and reorganizing the entire LGPedia. I know it sounds like a lot of work, but we gotta do something... fast. The only thing I can suggest thats better is for the tech people at LG15.com to set up another wiki. That'd be the easiest thing to do (and probably most organized) {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 21, '07 - 9:25 PM}}

Revision as of 02:24, 22 September 2007

A couple of LGPedia admins (Jonpro & Psmith) take a breather to admire the view from Lucy's Balcony.
In happier days, friendly LGPedia admins, Brucker (now retired), OwenIsCool, and JayHenry (also retired) enjoyed unseasonably warm afternoons on Lucy's Balcony.


Welcome to Lucy's Balcony, a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the LGPedia. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, click here. Please remember to sign your posts by typing ~~~~ at the end.

For old or inactive conversations, visit Lucy's archive.

Zoey, one of your LGPedia admins, frolics with the doves on Lucy's Balcony.




No uploading??

The "Upload File" function doesn't seem to be working since the site renovation (for me, anyway, and judging by the fact that Mission Possible still doesn't have a pic, probably for everyone else). Is someone actively working to fix this? (Please???) ~ JBSHRYNE 17:33, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

Hmm, I don't know, but it's not working for me either. Someone should probably send an email to the right person if no one already has. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure if I should just send it straight to the Creators or to someone else. If it's not fixed in the next few hours and no one has responded here, I'll go ahead and send them an email.--Jonpro 19:18, 23 July 2007 (CDT)
Zoey mentioned she had e-mailed BK an hour ago.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 19:20, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

We can upload files now (and quite amusingly, EmoGlasses and I uploaded nearly identical pictures, respectively called NinjaSpencer and SpencerNinja). However, the picture doesn't appear on the episode template, and in its place is a distracting error message. I've left it up there for now, but I'm sure that someone will revert that... ~ JBSHRYNE 23:03, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

*Hair pull out* Darn error messages! Okay, I'm working on it.. contacting people. Hopefully we get this all sorted out soon! :( --Zoey 23:32, 23 July 2007 (CDT)
Make sure to tell them the problem is most likely a faulty installation of libgd, specific error messages being "Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg" and "Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromgif".
Googling the error messages should give them enough results to find the error.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 08:18, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
P.S.: Did I mention it takes extra-effort to fuck up server libraries while moving around content?
The new lonelygirl15 site is blah, IMO. I don't even see why they had to tinker with the LGPedia. Our old design matched, but now the portals, particularly the LG portal, really clash with this new gray/modernist design. --JayHenry 09:20, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
Wait, are you saying you dislike the LGPedia design or the Lonelygirl15 design? I'm confused. --Zoey 21:42, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

Missions Page

I was thinking about having a missions page for the lonelygirl5 characters. Like a list of their missions, and what worked, what didn't, who was involved, why were they doing this. Sort of like one part of it could be about obtaining jules. Does anyone think we should do that, or not? Does anyone have any new missions? Like they can work with me to find all missions.Houdini 23:14, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

I support this idea. It's good to gather information on a wiki. Anyhow, the capturing of Jules, the getting Bree back millions of times, the breaking into Lucy's apartment twice, the whole deal. Should we create it at Missions?   •Silver•   Talk | Contribs 11:27, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
Yeah, I'm imagine we could add Daniel's rescue, the tailing of Alex, and the search for Isaac Gilman as well! --Pheon 11:32, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
Someone need to put it on a sandbox and we can all work on it together. I'm not sure how to work with a sandbox.--Houdini 14:26, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
There i tried to start it, but it wasn't very succesful. If you are good with codes please go here. http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:Houdini/sandbox
That was just an idea to have the blue border and the table format. If you like can you spoof it up a bit. And if you don't, feel free to change it.--Houdini 22:35, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
We could do the capturing of Jules, the Vegas capturing of BDJ, the tailing of Alex, the search for Isaac Gilman, the race to contact Spencer Gilman, Daniel breaking into the EPOGEN warehouse, Daniel breaking into Lucy's apartment, the Mexico capturing of Alex by Lucy, getting Bree back, Bree escaping to be with her fellow Hymnies, getting Bree back again, the Order murdering Drew and Isaac, Brother murdering Gemma, Tachyon exposing Gemma, and so the saga continues. It's a lot, but I think it'd be nice to keep all the missions somewhere. Strong support.   •Silver•   Talk | Contribs 11:41, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Show Template?

Considering that lonelygirl15 and KateModern right now both use Template:FakeBlog2, I think it's time for a show template. The show template could have slots for the creators of the show, the main cast of the show, an image of the main cast of the show, a caption for that image, beginning date to end date (end date optional - if you don't fill it in, it would say "to present"), optional spin-off slot, & more. Any opinions?   •Silver•   Talk | Contribs 10:10, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Any thoughts at all?   •Silver•   Talk | Contribs 11:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
Hello?   •Silver•   Talk | Contribs 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
You remind me of a child..."Mom, look what I'm doing! Mom! Mom! Look! YOU'RE NOT LOOOOOKING!!!"
Isn't the fact that nobody responds answer enough?
We. Don't. Care.
The current setup works fine. On a theoretical level, you are right. FakeBlog2 is abused in that situation, and a dedicated template would make sense. But practically, it's overkill. Why create an entire new template for two pages if the hack works flawlessly?
The only difference a dedicated show template would make is that a dozen fan series would start using it.
So, as said...nobody responded for a reason. If you consider it necessary, go ahead and do it. But the fact that not even Houdini, who's enthusiastic about pretty much everything, replied, should give you a hint about how much interest there is in this topic.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 17:34, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
That was harsh Renegade. Anywase i honestly didn't get what you meant silver. I must have read it while i was tired. Anywase i say go ahead and do it. It doesn't hurt to do it. It only adds to LGPedia in a good way. Oh and renegade what did that enthusiastic thing mean.--Houdini 21:42, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
What was harsh about that? If all other discussions on this page get replies but this one doesn't, that is a pretty good indicator that nobody cares. There's nothing harsh about that, and it's not even ment in an insulting way. That's just how it is. As I said, on a technical level, he's right, so there's probably no one here who'd object - but on a practical level, everything works, so no one here is motivated to change it, either. So, nobody cares. If he wants to change it, fine. If not, everything still works. Nothing harsh about it. Just human nature.
And that enthusiastic thing was pointing out that, even though you are involved in everything and always happy to edit and start new projects, not even you cared before you saw me reference you. I was just trying to put the lack of interest into perspective.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 22:40, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
Guys, please take it easy around here . . . .--Pheon 22:09, 29 July 2007

(CDT)

Alright sorry Pheon.I wasn't going to start a fight i was just wondering what that statement meant.--Houdini 22:15, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
I figured no one was responding to this, so I haven't checked Lucy's Balcony in a while. When I saw it... Renegade, that was harsh. I remind you of a whining child? I was just wondering if any administrators had any opinions or input to my idea, because, as always, I am trying to help the LGPedia. You're just hurting its members. Thanks for your support Pheon, and Houdini.   •Silver•   Talk | Contribs 16:09, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
It was the truth. If you consider the truth harsh, then fine, it was harsh. But I am not to blame for the truth. You posted thrice and the only reason I replied was because I feared you wouldn't stop unless you got some feedback.
If nobody cares, nobody cares. That's not my opinion, that's not an attempt to insult you, that's just reality.
Seriously, think about it: If I was wrong, if "nobody cares" was a lie, why am I the only one responding? Houdini replied to me, because I mentioned him. Pheon replied because a fight seemed to start. The only one replying to you was me, and only because you kept spamming "hello? Hello? HELLO?".
If you hadn't kept posting until someone replied, I'd have never replied, so Houdini would've never replied, so Pheon would've never replied. If you hadn't spammed, you would've gotten no reply at all. That is fucking reality, not an attempt to insult you. That alone should prove that I'm right.
I have given you my opinion. You are technically right, but it doesn't matter. And I'd bet the fact that it doesn't matter is the reason you weren't getting any replies.
So excuse me for not getting all touchy feely when the sole reason for my post was to stop you from posting "hello? someone there?" until the end of eternity.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 16:38, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

This = Stupid. Everyone = breathe. Conversation = over. --Zoey 16:47, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

LGPedia: pages

Now that the LGPedia is thriving, perhaps we should have some more LGPedia: namespace policy pages, plus things like LG:CHU (LGPedia:Changing username) and LG:SHORT (LGPedia:Shortcuts). I'm just trying to get some wiki-like content from Wikipedia, so let me know what you think.   •Silver•   Talk | Contribs 11:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Hello?   •Silver•   Talk | Contribs 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
I say go ahead. But talk to an admin first.--Houdini 15:36, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
I'm going to say something to Zoey right now.   •Silver•   Talk | Contribs 09:22, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

I Finished the Missions Page

I did it today, man that was work. Anywase tell me what you think, and also thanks silverbullet for all your help. If you see something that need changes then go ahead and change it. If you don't see a mission that i missed than put it in there.--Houdini 16:08, 29 July 2007 (CDT)


Potential naming problem

I've just noticed that KM-images are named using the same scheme as the LG15 ones; sure, the probability it comes to actual naming conflicts is low, but shouldn't we add an infix for organizational purposes? Otherwise, we'll have stuff like

  • 00XA-blablabla
  • 00XA-blablabla
  • 00XA-blablabla
  • 00XA-blablabla
  • 00XA-blablabla
  • 00XA-blablabla

in a few months, and no one will be able to tell which blablabla belongs to KM and which to LG15. I'm thinking of force-suggesting 9999-KM-Description-Modification.xxx here. Alternatively, KM9999-Description-Modification.xxx would separate them entirely in file listings. Opinions?

~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 06:16, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
ill try to stick to it, you should talk to psmith he uploads a lot of pictures--Houdini 20:18, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
Psmith is doing LG15, but Truncatedslinky seems to be the KM equivalent. I'll message him. Good idea, thank you. :)
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 20:48, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
thats true, he/she i dont know is doing a lot of pictures and this would help out a lot for orginization
good idea--Houdini 21:03, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
Cool, that's fine, I just didn't know you guys wanted to do that. I can rename the pictures and upload them again if absolutely necessary. I don't always upload a ton of pictures, but there were basically none on the KateModern site and it definitely needed some. Oh, and by the way, I'm a girl. --truncatedslinky 22:42, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
Damnit! 50/50 chance...I chose "him" because of the Daniel/Jonas hook up support userbox (guessed you were a gay male). Sorry for the misinterpretation.
Anyway, I don't think re-uploading will be necessary, as long as we start doing that from now on.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 05:40, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
Amended image naming convention for KM sounds good. Let me know what you decide and I can change the MediaWiki:Uploadtext to reflect it. I prefer having KM at the very beginning (e.g. KM0006-KateHoldingASandwich.jpg to replace "0006-YummyPiggies.jpg"). We probably also need 2 new image categories ("LG show images" and "KM show images") but that would require a lot of tedious categorizing (maybe a job for LGBot?) Your opinions on this would be appreciated. Psmith 15:42, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
P.S. I haven't got involved in KM images yet as I haven't watched any of the shows. Are they any good? Psmith 15:42, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
Eh . . . it's got potential, IMO. But frankly, I've been more concentrated for the LG Season Finale, so don't take my criticism too strongly. --Pheon 15:47, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
I'm with you on that, Pheon. I'll hold out on it for a while longer because I think the Creators deserve that much. Anyway, if you guys need something done with the LGBot, just let me know. I am still here reading things; I just don't have the time to get into very much editing.--Jonpro 16:26, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

Personally I like, and have been using 9999-KM-Description.jpg. I think we should definately make a decision soon though, before too many images get added. Please, everyone, post! :P --Zoey 23:42, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

If the KM is at the beginning it is easier to sort through a whole bunch of files ordered alphabetically (i.e. the LG and KM files separate out as Renegade mentioned). This probably only affects me because I have so many images on my laptop from which I upload on to LGPedia. Psmith 15:37, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
P.S. Is there an easy way to tag images with the show name and episode number without embedding in the name or is the only way to tediously categorize every image with "Images of Episode 9999" and "Images of Show XX"? Could LGBot categorize by looking at the file name? I'm thinking it would be nice to have a page that works like Category:Videos_by_length called something like "Category:Images_by_episode". Anyone know how to do this? If not, don't worry... not important. Psmith 15:37, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
That's fair, I see your point. Is there a way to update image names online.. or would someone have to reupload all of them using the new name. Er, would anyone want to volunteer for that? XD haha. And yes, I agree, that would be an AWESEOME page to have. I think we'll have to ask Jonpro if the bot would make this possible though.... Jon? --Zoey 23:58, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
The last time we started an image naming convention we just decided to leave current images as they were and start being strict from then on. However, I might go back and redo some image names if I have time (yes it will require reuploading and deleting the old one). Do you want to update MediaWiki:Uploadtext or shall I? Psmith 11:10, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Oh you can go ahead and do it, if you dont mind. You're good at explaining these sorts of things. So any KM images will start with KM.. but leave the LG ones as they are, right? Sounds good.. I'll let you update the mediawiki page though (and I'll remove this from active discussions, since this seems to be resolved, yay).

Portals

I know this is going to sound really bad coming from be but, should the missions page be on Portal:Lonelygirl15 and Portal:KateModern because the page is a big part for both series. If it need some touching up before it is put on there thats ok, but what do you guys think.--Houdini 23:26, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

I do think its got potential, but in its preliminary stages I still think it needs some "fine-tuning." Let's give the page some more time to develop and then we can worry about where it should belong --Pheon 01:33, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
Since it's cross-series, it might be positioned better in the "LG15 Universe Central" box on the main page. But before it goes that public, it needs some visual touch ups. ;)
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 05:44, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

it definately needs touching up thats for sure--Houdini 14:34, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

Maddison Atkins

Should the character page change to Maddison and the ARG page move to Maddison Atkins.--Houdini 15:23, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

I see no reasoning for that, but it's a good idea as always, Houdini. Thanks for the idea, but I think that the equivalent of Maddison is indeed Maddison Atkins, and that the ARG page should stay at Maddison Avenue. Thanks, though!   •Silver•   Talk | Contribs 16:12, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

Relationships

Also should we move relationships to Lonelygirl15 relationships, and add Katemodern relationships, because we already know a few relationships for katemodern such as kate and tariq...charlie and gavin...and kate and scott or is it steve. Anywase if not that then i think we should make relationships as a link for the main page, just like what were doing with missions.--Houdini 17:53, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

Location pages for KM

About Location pages for KM... we may want to wait a bit before we decide how to do this because at this rate they'll be filming all over London. So we could end up with:

  • By City - "Images of London."
  • By Postcode - "Images of EC1", "Images of W1" etc. (London postcodes that UK people will easily understand and can be explained to others - EC1 = East Central 1, W1 = West 1 etc.) Advantage = exact with no discussion required.
  • By London Area Name - "Images of Spitalfields", "Images of Soho" etc. (these are the names of small areas of London). Advantage = friendly names rather than impersonal postcodes but there are grey areas as it were on deciding where one area starts and another ends.
  • By Street Name - "Images of Brushfield Street", "Images of Carnaby Street" etc. This could become a problem given the number of streets that will be filmed upon.
  • All of the above so you can browse images however you like. Disadvantage = lot of work for every image.

Psmith 18:25, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

Shoot. Okay, well I was just going to do the ones you took of Carnaby Street, simply because it was a notable location where a major fan interaction took place. I figured for the episodes where they were just out and about in London, we could do a "General London area" or whatnot. I think with the big thing that just happened at Carnaby St, it's worth a location page, IMO. Er, do you disagree? Blah... --Zoey 18:33, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
Given a lot of the pics are actually Broadwick St. rather than Carnaby St., my first instinct is "Images of Soho". Especially as more videos may be set in and around these streets given how the Bebo offices are located there. Tariq/Gavin will probably be filmed a lot around Spitalfields/EC1 given that's where their office is supposed to be. But then I understand that maybe someone just wants to search on "Carnaby Street" because of how prominent the street name is in all the videos and interaction. So maybe it should just be "Images of the Carnaby Street area" which is more accurate but longwinded. Psmith 19:27, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
Well, as for the categories themselves, I see no reason not to make specific categories and then group them all into [[Category:Images of London]] or something similar. As far as location pages, I also don't see why we can't have specific pages for notable locations.. and maybe have a "General London area" page... similar to how we have a specific page for Topanga Canyon but still have one for General LA area. I think this works nicely... not sure though? What do you think? :/ --Zoey 23:54, 19 August 2007 (CDT)
Ah... actually I meant to say "location categories" in the first place and not "location pages" (by which you mean the articles I presume). Woops.
It would be nice to have both a London category and subcategories for different parts of London. My rather pedantic point about "Carnaby Street" is that maybe "Carnaby Street area" is more accurate given most of the action took place on Broadwick Street. And yes we definitely need a location page for this. Psmith 15:48, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
Ahh, okay. I wonder if Jon could do this with the bot so I wouldn't have to.. if not, I don't mind going in and adding "area" to the end of the location. Sounds good. --Zoey 23:58, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

KM Forum Links

KM episode page forum links are pointing to http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/ instead of http://www.lg15.com/katemodern. I think the template has a switch for lg/km but I'm not sure how to use it. Jonpro & Renegade created it so if you see this please update one of the KM video pages as an example and we can do the rest. Thanks. Psmith 11:04, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Nice catch, Psmith. It's not the KM video pages that need to be updated, but Template:Blog. I tried to fix it but failed :(. I'll work on it later if no one has figured it out by then.--Jonpro 11:55, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
Oops :X
My bad, consider it fixed.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 11:56, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
Thanks. Psmith 12:25, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Re-Organization Day

Okay, this conversation has been going on for a while, and now I'm starting to agree with it. We need to find a way to separate KateModern and LG15. The answer: change everything from Characters to KM:Characters and LG:Characters. Sounds easy, right? Wrong-o. There has to be an easier way to do it. There needs to be some idea that we can do and devote a day to changing links and reorganizing the entire LGPedia. I know it sounds like a lot of work, but we gotta do something... fast. The only thing I can suggest thats better is for the tech people at LG15.com to set up another wiki. That'd be the easiest thing to do (and probably most organized) Love, Randy (Say Wha'? | Whachu Doin'?) [Sept. 21, '07 - 9:25 PM, Central Daylight]