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:I mentioned these "series" above ([[ZorinXL]], [[Will-O-Wisp]], and [[Worldfiles]]): Tier 1 or what?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 00:11, 22 February 2008 (CST)
 
:I mentioned these "series" above ([[ZorinXL]], [[Will-O-Wisp]], and [[Worldfiles]]): Tier 1 or what?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 00:11, 22 February 2008 (CST)
 
::I added them in. They should all probably Tier 1, but ZorinXL does deserve a link to its YouTube profile (Only becomes an issue if we revamp the Spin-Offs page). I added Dr. Bethany to the Spin-Off list, after being prodded by Jenni; I really think that one deserves a link, but I don't know about its own page... Also, since she's got notability, I was contemplating nudging [[MsBlackBetty]] to Tier 2; this is only under the condition that Jenni actually does what she said she would do and get us some more information. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 08:30, 22 February 2008 (CST)
 
::I added them in. They should all probably Tier 1, but ZorinXL does deserve a link to its YouTube profile (Only becomes an issue if we revamp the Spin-Offs page). I added Dr. Bethany to the Spin-Off list, after being prodded by Jenni; I really think that one deserves a link, but I don't know about its own page... Also, since she's got notability, I was contemplating nudging [[MsBlackBetty]] to Tier 2; this is only under the condition that Jenni actually does what she said she would do and get us some more information. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 08:30, 22 February 2008 (CST)
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:I really don't want to go into this again, but we have to - what about Redearth's and MA's fanfic status? I think we'd all agree on their Tier 5 listing, but as most of us have seen, the players insist they're independent series with no connection to LG15.
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:If the creators of the respective series agree with that, then both RE88 and MA are basically outside of our scope - we do LG and LG-related stuff, not independent series the community just so happens to like as well...
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:We have to sort that out. Thoughts?
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::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:51, 23 February 2008 (CST)

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Glossary

Tier 1 Tier 1 Fanfic is not notable enough to get listed on LGPedia. All vlogs not belonging to a series fall under this category. (Singular notable vlogs may be listed on a single listing page in the future.)
Tier 2 Tier 2 Fanfic gets a single page with a few basic facts like creators, general plot/topic outline and maybe a list of characters.
Tier 3 Tier 3 Fanfic gets a comprehensive single page, including a more detailed plot outline, episode lists, and similar additional information.
Tier 4 Tier 4 Fanfic is fanfic that, under all objective considerations, should belong to Tier 3, but for some subjective or organizational reason are allowed to branch out and create more than one page. (An example would be that a series is rather small in notability, but has a high number of episodes, so that a separate list of videos makes more sense.)
Tier 5 Tier 5 Fanfic are all "big" series, like OpAphid, Maddison Atkins or Redearth88. They get the same array of pages as canon series, including templates, character/actor pages and categories.

Criteria

The important and sole decisive criteria is notability. Is a series notable enough to be listed at all, and, if yes, how notable is it?

Unfortunately, notability is very subjective. As such, we have to fall back on objective data to decide whether a series is notable. Such objective data can be:

  • Did the series become canon at one point in its life? (Example: OpAphid)
  • Did the series get a shoutout or referred to in a canon episode? (Example: Paulmark18)
  • How many people in the community have seen the series? (Example: Maddison Atkins)
  • How many people in the community have heard of the series? (Example: Immant, Cassieiswatching)
  • How many views do the videos of the series have on average?
  • How many episodes does the series have?
  • How many main characters are there? (Just one vlogger, or an entire cast?)
  • How big/complex is the production? (Just one vlogger with a webcam, or an entire crew with multiple sets and scripted episodes?)
  • And, especially for Tier 4 series, is there anything special or exceptional that needs to be considered? (Example: Lonelygirl362436 - technically a rather small series, but highly notable because it was produced by the Creators, had Daniel in it and a well-known hollywood actress as its lead.)
  • [Please expand this list]

List of fan series currently archived on the pedia

If somebody feels like making an actual list, be my guest. In the meantime, there's an older list here, and the general fanfic category.

  • LonesomeOctober -- Right now, I would say this needs to be a Tier 4 -- ten videos, and they have a notoreity in the Breeniverse (perhaps because of the "WANKER?!!!" arc). --Pheon 17:18, 27 January 2008 (CST)
  • ZorinXL, Will-O-Wisp, and Worldfiles should either be in Tier 1 or on the Tier JonPro was suggesting (see below) - I'm guessing they're fanfic, but then again, I've never heard of them, and yet they all have wonderful pages devoted to them (there all actually a dead-end pages (they don't link to anything else on the Pedia and redirects its list of videos to YouTube) --Pheon 03:19, 27 January 2008 (CST)

Agreed listings

Tier 1

  • fourthface - doesn't seem very popular; not very many views.

Tier 2

Tier 3

Tier 4

  • lonelygirl362436 -- as said above, though only three-episode series, the Creators played a part in it, Daniel had a role, and it was viral marketing for Epic Movie

Tier 5

  • Redearth88, OpAphid, & Maddison Atkins -- Not only do their stories merge into a larger story, but one of Redearth' puppetmasters is Glenn Rubenstein (who was creator of OpAphid), ans he was for some time involved with the Creators when OpAphid was the official ARG of the LG15 series.

Mission

We need your comments. Look at the series we already have, look at the series that exist that we don't have yet, and rate them using the criteria above. Try to determine whether a series is notable enough to be listed, and, if yes, which tier it belongs to. Remember to post your reasoning ;)

~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 21:58, 20 January 2008 (CST)

Free for all comment space

Add your comments and opinions below this line.

Questioning some of the earlier listings

How are four vids with a moderate number of views and nothing else to say notable?
One video is clearly not enough to count as a series, and the Nikki Bower mention is probably noted on that video's page.
  • Cassieresurrection - doesn't seem very popular, but at least deserves a mention; perhaps should be in Tier 1?
You say yourself it doesn't seem very popular, so why does it deserve a mention?
  • Deemontreal's "lonelygirl" vid -- though only one video, it has reached 922,540 views - one of the most for any LG15 fanvid. And while it's not fanfiction, it features several recurring themes, events, and jokes from the early days of lonelygirl15.
Again, one video does not make a series, and you admit it's not fanfic - if anything, this should go on a "Notable fan videos" page or something.
  • Kelseygirl15 - there seems to be enough information to warrant this tier, but maybe it should be in tier 2; at the very least, this page should be combined with Ellastko, Schneidz124, and Linsy.
The current page does not mention any kind of overarching plot or anything of the like - is there anything that makes it notable beyond that there seems to be enough information?

The point is not only organizing what we have - it's mainly weeding out, and setting standards and precedents for future additions. We don't want to keep everything. We want to identify the unnotable series and get rid of them.
Oh, and btw: It's called "Agreed listings" because those are the ones we agree on ;)

~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 14:31, 22 January 2008 (CST)
Well, the only ones I actually threw up on the board were DeeMontreal's fanvid, the lonelygirl362436 spoof, and the Redearth88/OpAphid/Maddison series -- Someone else posted the others, though I don't remember who at the moment. But of the one that was mine (Deemontreal), you do have a point. I guess I just wanted to make sure it doesn't get lost in the Revamp. A "Notable fan videos" page works fine with me, if it's kosher with everyone else.
And yeah, I realized the logic of "Agreed Listings" about three seconds after I posted them. Silly Pheon :) --Pheon 16:47, 22 January 2008 (CST)
Oops, my bad...saw you on recent changes and just checked the page, but it turns out that JonPro added the majority...sorry 'bout that :/
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 16:52, 22 January 2008 (CST)
Yeah, sorry about adding things in the "Agreed listings" section; I guess I just didn't read.... As far as my suggestions, before I address that I think we may need to restructure the tiers. I know I should have said this earlier, but I guess I didn't look at them close enough to notice a problem. Or I read Zoey's descriptions and didn't realize they changed from that (I think they did at least...) I definitely think we should have a page that covers all notable fanfic series which do not get their own page. It's not too hard to write a one-sentence description of a series, and it can give new/unknown series much-needed publicity as well as provide a nice reference for people looking for lg15-related series. And, the Creators have said time and time again that they want to promote fan-fiction. I understand that doesn't mean we have to go as far as we have gone in the past, but I still think we need to honor that request as best we can. In light of this, I wouldn't mind moving the series you questioned down to the tier I just described. I think that they at least deserve a mention here, and since there didn't seem to be a tier for that, I went ahead and suggested tier 2. I understand you're reasoning though, and I'm happy to continue discussing this. If anyone else has an opinion, please post something here. If you don't say anything, we don't know what you're thinking and your voice can't be heard. Thanks!--Jonpro 22:42, 25 January 2008 (CST)
I feel that one of the uses of the LGpedia is as one place where you can find out about various LG15 inspired videos. Even if there is just a link to the different Youtube accounts and a sentence description. I don't think we should be just throwing mentions of sites away just because they're not popular. Wikipedia doesn't not feature articles on things that are less popular these things may just have shorter articles.
(Note: I'm new to all of this just thought I'd give my opinion) I think it would be fine to place the music video as part of a notable fan videos section. I just hope that if it is moved to there that all the detailed trivia about the video is not lost. Journeymystery

Other Series

Back to the discussion...

  • Lonelyjew15 -- Should it be expanded? It is a parody of Lonelygirl15, one of its characters is played by Amanda Goodfried, and it seems to get a decent amount of views.
  • MessyNessy89 -- I'm not sure if it deserves more or not (It at least deserves what it already has). It seems to have become more prevalent in the lg15 community... enough to have it's own section on the Forum and LG15Today, so why not here?

Thoughts? Do you agree with me? Do you think I'm full of Orange Slurpees? Let's get this going again. --FH14 22:07, 8 February 2008 (EST)

I'd say LJ15 should be Tier 4, although I'm opposed to transcribing it. MessyNessy should Tier 2, so I don't think it should get any more pages than it already has.
Now for my input on this: I just noticed that we have EVERY video ever posted by one the new girls transcribed and treated as a series. I think this should definitely be rethought. I know some of them got expanded into series, but some of them are just random and really don't deserve that much attention. I'm half tempted to take care of it myself right now, actually. - Shiori 16:36, 21 February 2008 (CST)
NOTE: If we do decide to put up separate pages for each LJ15 episode, SonofaStitch has offered to give us the official scripts from the episodes. - Shiori 08:57, 22 February 2008 (CST)

Historical Notability

What if certain videos were notable during their time? (easiest example I can think of: itscassie) I honestly wouldn't want future fans, not to mention present ones, to not be able to explore all the nooks and crannies of the Breeniverse here at this central "everything about LG" spot simply because times have changed. --DoubleG 20:27, 21 February 2008 (CST)

If things were notable at any point in time, I agree that they should be covered. The question is how far in depth should we go? In the above-mentioned example, I think that we would want to expand the itscassie page with important notes and tidbits and nix the transcripts. - Shiori 20:47, 21 February 2008 (CST)

Suggested Tiers

Since I went through all of the series today in order to tag them, I figured I'd list ALL of the series on the Pedia right now, ordered where I think they should go (the agreed upon ones will be bolded).

Tier 1 The 707 clique, Aaronbeast, Breeiswaiting, Brucker, Cassieresurrection, The Deacons, Deemontreal, EWLPRI, Fourthface, Iris2009, Maccaboy17, MsBlackBetty, Scdgoofy, Tannhaus, TWJaniak (should be listed, but not as a spin-off), Will-O-Wisp, Worldfiles, ZorinXL, Vast majority of the new girls
Tier 2 ApotheosisAZ, Bubbleteagirl, Kelseygirl15, Frankiswaking, GuillotineCalamity, The Homeschoolers Aggregate, Immant, Itscassie, LordGreystoke422, User:Marbella, N3ural N3t, OpScorn, The Flock, Xeniph
Tier 3 Cassieiswatching, Facility J, LonesomeOctober, Paulmark18, TheLadyLazarus
Tier 4 lonelygirl362436, LonelyJew15
Tier 5 Maddison Atkins, OpAphid, Redearth88

Clearly there's tons to do on all of these pages, but we can't really discuss how to edit down pages until we can agree on exactly where in the hierarchy things should be. I'm sure I'm missing something, so feel free to add to the list. **Keep in mind that Tier 1 is generally not going to be listed on the Pedia, but WILL (most likely) be mentioned on the complete list of fan series.** Discuss and go! - Shiori 23:44, 21 February 2008 (CST)

I mentioned these "series" above (ZorinXL, Will-O-Wisp, and Worldfiles): Tier 1 or what?? --Pheon 00:11, 22 February 2008 (CST)
I added them in. They should all probably Tier 1, but ZorinXL does deserve a link to its YouTube profile (Only becomes an issue if we revamp the Spin-Offs page). I added Dr. Bethany to the Spin-Off list, after being prodded by Jenni; I really think that one deserves a link, but I don't know about its own page... Also, since she's got notability, I was contemplating nudging MsBlackBetty to Tier 2; this is only under the condition that Jenni actually does what she said she would do and get us some more information. - Shiori 08:30, 22 February 2008 (CST)
I really don't want to go into this again, but we have to - what about Redearth's and MA's fanfic status? I think we'd all agree on their Tier 5 listing, but as most of us have seen, the players insist they're independent series with no connection to LG15.
If the creators of the respective series agree with that, then both RE88 and MA are basically outside of our scope - we do LG and LG-related stuff, not independent series the community just so happens to like as well...
We have to sort that out. Thoughts?
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 04:51, 23 February 2008 (CST)