Difference between revisions of "LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/Fanfic revamp"

Revision as of 21:16, 27 February 2008

Note: Several resolved and abandoned discussions have been archived in order to keep the page tidy.

Glossary

Criteria

The important and sole decisive criterion is notability. Is a series notable enough to be listed at all, and, if yes, how notable is it?

Unfortunately, notability is very subjective. As such, we have to fall back on objective data to decide whether a series is notable. Such objective data can be:

• Did the series become canon at one point in its life? (Example: OpAphid)
• Did the series get a shoutout or referred to in a canon episode? (Example: Paulmark18)
• How many people in the community have seen the series? (Example: Maddison Atkins)
• How many people in the community have heard of the series? (Example: Immant, Cassieiswatching)
• How many views do the videos of the series have on average?
• How many episodes does the series have?
• How many main characters are there? (Just one vlogger, or an entire cast?)
• How big/complex is the production? (Just one vlogger with a webcam, or an entire crew with multiple sets and scripted episodes?)
• And, especially for Tier 4 series, is there anything special or exceptional that needs to be considered? (Example: Lonelygirl362436 - technically a rather small series, but highly notable because it was produced by the Creators, had Daniel in it and a well-known hollywood actress as its lead.)
• [Please expand this list]

List of fan series currently archived on the pedia

• The 707 clique
• Aaronbeast
• Breeiswaiting
• Brucker
• Bubbleteagirl
• Cassieresurrection
• The Deacons
• EWLPRI
• Fourthface
• GuillotineCalamity
• Iris2009
• Maccaboy17
• Marbella
• Mission Anchor Cove
• MsBlackBetty
• N3ural N3t
• OpScorn
• ProjectStatic
• Kelseygirl15
• Lonelydude15
• RefusEtoBeliEveLies
• Sarahsnotebook
• StormFaction
• Scdgoofy
• TheLadyLazarus
• TWJaniak
• UtNbErS tutlaEN
• New Girls
• ApotheosisAZ
• Cassie UGC
  • Cassieiswatching
  • itscassie
  • breeiswaiting
  • cassieresurrection
  • frankiswaking
  • frankiswaiting@gmail.com
• Deemontreal
• Dreams from the Breeniverse
• MessyNessy89
• The Homeschoolers Aggregate
• Xeniph
• Acrowleyorder
• Cassieiswatching
• Immant
• LonesomeOctober
• LordGreystoke422
• Paulmark18
• lonelygirl362436
• The Flock
• Itscassie
• LonelyJew15
• Maddison Atkins
• OpAphid
• Redearth88

Agreed listings

Tier 1

• fourthface - doesn't seem very popular; not very many views.

Tier 2

• Frankiswaking - some notability, 250+ subscribers; should probably be combined with Frankiswaiting@gmail.com (even though they're different, they're still related); maybe should be Tier 3?

Tier 3

Tier 4

• lonelygirl362436 -- as said above, though only three-episode series, the Creators played a part in it, Daniel had a role, and it was viral marketing for Epic Movie

Tier 5

• Redearth88, OpAphid, & Maddison Atkins -- Not only do their stories merge into a larger story, but one of Redearth' puppetmasters is Glenn Rubenstein (who was creator of OpAphid), ans he was for some time involved with the Creators when OpAphid was the official ARG of the LG15 series.

Mission

We need your comments. Look at the series we already have, look at the series that exist that we don't have yet, and rate them using the criteria above. Try to determine whether a series is notable enough to be listed, and, if yes, which tier it belongs to. Remember to post your reasoning ;)

~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 21:58, 20 January 2008 (CST)

Free for all comment space

Add your comments and opinions below this line.

Starting Fresh, Perhaps

So I've been reading this section and not commenting, just observing. After lurking for a while on, not only this convo, but chat, LG15 Today, Inside LG15, the comment boards, and the forums, I've decided to post what I feel may be closest to the opinion of the majority. Every series I'm listing has had thought behind it, so if there are ones you don't agree with, I'm happy to lay out my reasons (as long as too many people don't do this, hehe, I'll get swamped!)

Anywho, the listings:

Tier 1: The 707 clique, Aaronbeast, Breeiswaiting, Brucker, Bubbleteagirl, Cassieresurrection, The Deacons, EWLPRI, Fourthface, GuillotineCalamity, Iris2009, Maccaboy17, Marbella, Mission Anchor Cove, MsBlackBetty, N3ural N3t, OpScorn, ProjectStatic, Kelseygirl15, Lonelydude15, RefusEtoBeliEveLies, Sarahsnotebook, StormFaction, Scdgoofy, TheLadyLazarus, TWJaniak, UtNbErS tutlaEN, majority of the New Girls

Tier 2: ApotheosisAZ, Cassie UGC (consisting of, CIW and itscassie, but also breeiswaiting, cassieresurrection, frankiswaking, frankiswaiting@gmail.com cassieisevil, cassieiswatching222, cassieseesall, etc) Deemontreal, Dreams from the Breeniverse, MessyNessy89, The Homeschoolers Aggregate, Xeniph, The Coalition (consisting of Facility J, Will-O-Wisp, Wordfiles, ZorinXL), Zoey fanfic(??, lol am I biased here?) (including zoeyiswatching and opzoeyd)

Tier 3: Acrowleyorder, Cassieiswatching, Immant, LonesomeOctober, LordGreystoke422, Paulmark18

Tier 4: lonelygirl362436, The Flock (The Flock being Tier 4 with the condition that they keep it up to date themselves, the details of this can be hashed out later), Itscassie, LonelyJew15

Tier 5: Maddison Atkins, OpAphid, Redearth88

Let me know your thoughts! --Zoey 16:46, 26 February 2008 (CST)

I think they are more fair. Definitely a better starting point for discussion. I have no objections.--Immortal1 17:05, 26 February 2008 (CST)

No objections, Zoey. Let's do it!! --Virginian9000 28:54, 26 February 2008 (EST)

I concur. Although, some of the Tier 3 listings are currently being upkept as Tier 2s... Are they going to be expanded more? I still maintain my opinion that only Tier 5 videos should have transcripts, but since I seem to be the voice of the minority, I suppose we can expand it to two. (We do need to set a firm line, though.)

I will also say that anything Tier 3 or above should get some actual content regarding the SERIES, and not solely the videos. I think if we can't get that together, it should bump it down a bit in the rankings.

Also, I think I should add, as I explained in the chat (and apparently neglected to do so above) my earlier listing was not meant to be definitive in any way, and was simply thrown together based on what little I knew of the series, and what content was available. I just wanted to put them out there for discussion.

Once the tiers get hashed out, we should archive the discussion and go on to discussions on how exactly to change each series page for the better. They all could stand some serious work. - Shiori 18:00, 26 February 2008 (CST)

1. When you say "consisting of...", does that mean we'll unify all sub-series on one page? i.e., have only one Cassie UGC page then, not separate *cassie* pages?
2. Have you checked whether any series has something special that'd bump them up, being featured in the Community Appreciation Week or something, for example?
3. Will we make The Flock Deal a general offer?

~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 19:24, 26 February 2008 (CST)

I think Zoey's proposal is proably the fairest one I've seen so far. As someone who spends a lot of their time on the fanfic area of the LGPedia, and as a fan of many of the UGC series out there. I will say this: I think every three months or so there should be a place where people can state their case for why something should change tiers or not. --FH14 27 February 2008 (EST)

No objections on my end, Zoey. :) And I really like that idea, FH14 -- who's to say every show is going to be the same forevermore?? -- --Pheon 11:55, 27 February 2008 (CST)

Schedule

Since a large part of the previous discussion participants seems to agree with Zoey's listing, and this project has been going on for two months now, I guess it's time to set a schedule for the next phase(s)

• Unless there are no major further objections, I'll create a preliminary final listing on February 29th. This, if not objected to, will be the master reference list for tier listings.
• If there are no major further objections to the preliminary final listing until March 2nd, then discussion will be be ceased, and we'll commence the Revamp.
• The Revamp will proceed as follows
  • Phase 1: Make a link-list of all Tier 1 fanfic, something along the lines of "List of additional user-generated content"; tag all Tier 1 and related pages for deletion.
  • Phase 2: Find and tag Tier 2-related pages such as lists of videos, categories, templates video pages and so on. Write up basic pages for each series.
  • Phase 3: Find and tag Tier 3-related pages such as lists of videos, categories, templates video pages and so on. Collapse information into the series pages where possible, write up extended pages for each series.
  • Phase 4: Identify the current set of pages Tier 4 pages have, and check with the page-list which ones are needed, and which aren't. Tag/expand as necessary.
  • Phase 5: Identify the current set of pages Tier 5 pages have, and check with the page-list which ones are needed. Expand as necessary.
  • Phase 6: Find and correct references to UGC content.
  • Phase 7: Declare Revamp over.
  • Phase 8: Monitor UGC/fanfic expansion, re-evaluate tier status where necessary, assess new UGC/fanfic, keep fanfic-list up to date, control Immo Regulations.

Page-list

• Central portal
• List of videos
• Templates:
  • Bottom index
  • Customized sidebar template (For less than ten episodes, use Template:FakeBlog directly. Otherwise, create a pass-through template for FakeBlog. No non-canon series gets its own, independent sidebar.)
• Character pages
• Actor pages
• Categories to group it all together

Immo Regulations

The basic point of these regulations is, independent from any criterion spelled out in writing below, that The Flock's pages must look neither dead, unmaintained nor messy. The reason The Flock was granted Tier 4 status was because Immo vouched to make sure his pages would be maintained either by himself or his fans. Should it, at any point, be apparent that this is not the case, Tier 4 status will be revoked, and The Flock will be collapsed into a Tier 3 page.
Reasons for revocation can be:

• Episode pages are not added within three days after an episode's release, or are still "barebones", lacking parts of sidebar information.
• Transcripts have not been added within one week of the episode's release.
• The portal's list of videos has not been updated within two days after an episode's release.
• New main characters are not added to the portal within three days.
• New main characters do not have a character page within four days.
• The "Plot background" or similar sections on character pages stay outdated for more than two weeks.
• The "Last Appearance" link has not been updated within two days after an episode's release.
• The portal is kept "untidy", having dead links, superfluous content (like the current character placeholders), or generally lacking organization.
• Clean-up tags are not resolved within five days.

Reasons can and will be collapsed - if it takes four days to get a character page up, you do not have an additional two days to update "Last Appearance". These two days ended two days after the video was released. Likewise, while the regulations allow for a dead character link from day three to day four, keep in mind dead links on the portal count towards the untidyness-factor. Continuously having dead links for several days on the portal, even if they are resolved within four days, will be seen as a sign you or your fans are incapable of handling the workload of maintaining the portal, and thus the section as a whole.

And before you start complaining: These rules are actually quite gracious. It takes less than ten minutes to get a barebones video page up. You have been given three days. It takes less than one minute to add a link to a list. You have been given two days. If your people work as great as you touted, you should be in no danger. But there is nothing you can say that will change the fact that being incapable of doing a ten-minute-job within three days is a very clear sign your section is not actively being maintained, and since the only reason you have been given the right to create separate pages is that you vouched to keep them maintained, violation of these regulations will lead to the termination of this deal.
In addition, you should be aware that the pedia doesn't sleep, and it doesn't wait for you. Deadlines will not change because you are on vacation or anything. If your pages go unmaintained just because one person cannot contribute, that's just another sign you cannot handle the workload.
As said above, the timeframes you have been given are very gracious, especially considering that you don't even have to care for the whole pedia, but just a very, very small subset of its pages. So take what you can get, and keep your section maintained - any complaints will only lead to a re-evaluation of these timeframes, and might very well lead to the administration deciding that you don't really need two days to put up a single link.

~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 15:16, 27 February 2008 (CST)

See also

• Related discussions:
  • Redearth88 portal
  • General page layout for UGC