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There have been a number of details that have happened in the Breeniverse that some fans view as mistakes on the part of [[the Creators]]. Here is a list of them, and suggested or actual resolutions.
 
There have been a number of details that have happened in the Breeniverse that some fans view as mistakes on the part of [[the Creators]]. Here is a list of them, and suggested or actual resolutions.
  
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==Infinite clothes==
'''Why do the characters, no matter how long they're on the run or how homeless they are, always have an infinite amount of fresh clothes with them?'''
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<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why do the characters, no matter how long they're on the run or how homeless they are, always have an infinite amount of fresh clothes with them?</div>
<p>'''Possible solution''': When Bree and [[Daniel]] first went on the run from [[the Order]] in [[On The Run]], they took Daniel's car. Bree could have stored clothes in Daniel's car. Later, in [[Homeless]], when they had to ditch Daniel's car due to a tracking device that [[Tachyon]] told them about, they went to [[Jonas's house]]. Jonas, a rich guy, probably bought a lot of clothes for Bree and Daniel, and they stored some of them in Jonas's car when they had to leave Jonas's house.</p>
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:<p>'''Possible solution''': When Bree and [[Daniel]] first went on the run from [[the Order]] in [[On The Run]], they took Daniel's car. Bree could have stored clothes in Daniel's car. Later, in [[Homeless]], when they had to ditch Daniel's car due to a tracking device that [[Tachyon]] told them about, they went to [[Jonas's house]]. Jonas, a rich guy, probably bought a lot of clothes for Bree and Daniel, and they stored some of them in Jonas's car when they had to leave Jonas's house.</p>
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'''If Bree and [[Bree's parents#Father|her father]] were going to go see [[Isaac Gilman|Isaac]] and [[Spencer|Spencer Gilman]], why didn't Bree say anything to [[Jonas]] or [[Daniel]] later?'''
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==No mention of the Gilmans==
<p>'''Possible solution''': Even though her father said "let me talk to Bree" when asked if he could meet Isaac Gilman, it is possible he didn't mention they were going to meet somebody, or who exactly.</p>
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<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">If Bree and [[Bree's parents#Father|her father]] were going to go see [[Isaac Gilman|Isaac]] and [[Spencer|Spencer Gilman]], why didn't Bree say anything to [[Jonas]] or [[Daniel]] later?</div>
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:<p>'''Possible solution''': Even though her father said "let me talk to Bree" when asked if he could meet Isaac Gilman, it is possible he didn't mention they were going to meet somebody, or who exactly.</p>
'''In order to speak to Bree about meeting Isaac Gilman, Bree must've been next to Drew Avery during his phone call. This means she heard the words "final injection". She also knew that her father was against her doing the Ceremony, so it was unlikely the injections were preperation for it. Why didn't she mention any of this to Daniel or Jonas?'''
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==No mention of later injections==
'''How come Bree says at one point that Cassie stopped talking to her because Bree's religion freaked her out, but says in a later video that they haven't seen each other since Bree took the blame for Cassie's prank phone calls?'''
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<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In order to speak to Bree about meeting Isaac Gilman, Bree must've been next to Drew Avery during his phone call. This means she heard the words "final injection". She also knew that her father was against her doing the Ceremony, so it was unlikely the injections were preperation for it. Why didn't she mention any of this to Daniel or Jonas?</div>
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'''How does Jonas finance their adventures without leaving a trail for the Order to follow when he uses ATM's and such?'''<br>
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==Contradicting accounts of Cassie's departure==
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<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How come Bree says at one point that Cassie stopped talking to her because Bree's religion freaked her out, but says in a later video that they haven't seen each other since Bree took the blame for Cassie's prank phone calls?</div>
'''Why did Gemma warn Bree about the Watchers, especially if they were working for the Order?'''
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<p>'''Possible solution''': Watchers are assigned to protect Bree, no matter from whom. Gemma was working for OP APHID, a more radical wing of the Order; if APHID has/had similar goals like the faction that sent the Shadow in [[Subjects Apprehended]], it is possible the Watchers would've been an obstacle had they tried to take Bree by force. Telling Bree the Watchers are evil, while they are in fact protecting her, was an easy way of separating Bree and the Watchers.</p>
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==Invisible money==
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<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How does Jonas finance their adventures without leaving a trail for the Order to follow when he uses ATM's and such?</div>
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:<p>'''Possible solution''': He doesn't. It has been suggested this is how the Order keeps finding them - although one should keep in mind that there were always other reasons presented in the series, such as bugged cars, traced cellphones or treasonous aunts.</p>
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==Gemma's warning about Watchers==
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<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why did Gemma warn Bree about the Watchers, especially if they were working for the Order?</div>
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:<p>'''Possible solution''': Watchers are assigned to protect Bree, no matter from whom. Gemma was working for OP APHID, a more radical wing of the Order; if APHID has/had similar goals like the faction that sent the Shadow in [[Subjects Apprehended]], it is possible the Watchers would've been an obstacle had they tried to take Bree by force. Telling Bree the Watchers are evil, while they are in fact protecting her, was an easy way of separating Bree and the Watchers.</p>
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:<p>'''Possible solution 2''': Another possibility is that Gemma ventured a minor information to gain Bree's trust, in order to have a better chance of influencing her later.</p>
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:<p>'''Possible solution 3''': In addition, there is the possibility that Gemma wasn't originally evil, but was found and turned later. This, however, is improbable, given that Tachyon said Gemma had tried to kill Brother months before the events of lonelygirl15.</p>
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==Missing Watchers for Jules==
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<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why weren't there Watchers to protect [[Jules]]?</div>
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:<p>'''Possible solution:''' The obvious answer to this is that she is trait negative, and thus not a ceremony girl - '''but:''' She was supposed to work as bait for Bree and the others, so shouldn't she have gotten Watchers just to ''look'' like a ceremony girl?</p>
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:<p>'''Possible solution 2:''' On the other hand, some people argue that the presence of Watchers might have scared BDJ off, and that this would've been contrary to the Order's plans, which is why they didn't position any obvious Watchers.</p>
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==The forgotten parents==
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<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">What is Daniel doing about his parents? They can't possibly believe that he's still camping, can they?</div>
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==Contradicting accounts on whether the Order watches videos==
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<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In "[[Mystery Movies]]", we find out that Bree's dad must be watching her videos, and we know from the video "[[Me For Daniel]]" that the Order is watching Bree's videos- but later, in one of [[Nikki Bower|Nikki B.'s]] videos, we find out that the Order doesn't watch her videos - why?</div>
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:<p>'''Solution:''' This is called a "{{wikipedia|retcon}}", which stands for ''Retroactive continuity''. Put bluntly, it is a ''deliberate'' continuity error in order to change information that was previously given. Basically, the Creators didn't like the fact that the Order sees the videos anymore, so they simply said it doesn't - no matter if it makes sense or not.</p>
  
<p>'''Possible solution 2''': Another possibility is that Gemma ventured a minor information to gain Bree's trust, in order to have a better chance to influencing her later.</p>
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==Illogical Ceremony date hints==
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<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why would Bree hint that the Ceremony would take place on 10/12/06 when it was only a false Ceremony that hadn't been planned yet (we know this because Bree says that it wasn't planned until after the people helping her prepare found out Daniel was filming them)? Also, why did she have to lie to her parents about when the Ceremony took place?</div>
  
<p>'''Possible solution 3''': In addition, there is the possibility that Gemma wasn't originally evil, but was found and turned later. This, however, is improbable, given that Tachyon said Gemma had tried to kill Brother months before the events of lonelygirl15.</p>
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==Counterproductive fearmongering==
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<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">If Gemma really thought Bree should do the Ceremony, why did she scare her by saying that after the Ceremony, the family she told about disappeared?</div>
'''Why weren't there Watchers to protect [[Jules]]?'''
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<p>'''Possible solution:''' The obvious answer to this is that she is trait negative, and thus not a ceremony girl - '''but:''' She was supposed to work as bait for Bree and the others, so shouldn't she have gotten Watchers just to ''look'' like a ceremony girl?</p>
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<p>'''Possible solution 2:''' On the other hand, some people argue that the presence of Watchers might have scared BDJ off, and that this would've been contrary to the Order's plans, which is why they didn't position any obvious Watchers.</p>
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==See also==
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*[[Unanswered Questions]]
'''What is Daniel doing about his parents? They can't possibly believe that he's still camping, can they?'''
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'''In "[[Mystery Movies]]", we find out that Bree's dad must be watching her videos, and we know from the video "[[Me For Daniel]]" that the Order is watching Bree's videos- but later, in one of [[Nikki Bower|Nikki B.'s]] videos, we find out that the Order doesn't watch her videos - why?'''
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<p>'''Solution:''' This is called a "{{wikipedia|retcon}}", which stands for ''Retroactive continuity''. Put bluntly, it is a ''deliberate'' continuity error in order to change information that was previously given. Basically, the Creators didn't like the fact that the Order sees the videos anymore, so they simply said it doesn't - no matter if it makes sense or not.</p>
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'''Why would Bree hint that the Ceremony would take place on 10/12/06 when it was only a false Ceremony that hadn't been planned yet (we know this because Bree says that it wasn't planned until after the people helping her prepare found out Daniel was filming them)? Also, why did she have to lie to her parents about when the Ceremony took place?'''
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'''If Gemma really thought Bree should do the Ceremony, why did she scare her by saying that after the Ceremony, the family she told about disappeared?'''
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[[Category:Behind the scenes]]
 
[[Category:Behind the scenes]]

Revision as of 00:47, 31 July 2007

There have been a number of details that have happened in the Breeniverse that some fans view as mistakes on the part of the Creators. Here is a list of them, and suggested or actual resolutions.

Infinite clothes

Why do the characters, no matter how long they're on the run or how homeless they are, always have an infinite amount of fresh clothes with them?

Possible solution: When Bree and Daniel first went on the run from the Order in On The Run, they took Daniel's car. Bree could have stored clothes in Daniel's car. Later, in Homeless, when they had to ditch Daniel's car due to a tracking device that Tachyon told them about, they went to Jonas's house. Jonas, a rich guy, probably bought a lot of clothes for Bree and Daniel, and they stored some of them in Jonas's car when they had to leave Jonas's house.

No mention of the Gilmans

If Bree and her father were going to go see Isaac and Spencer Gilman, why didn't Bree say anything to Jonas or Daniel later?

Possible solution: Even though her father said "let me talk to Bree" when asked if he could meet Isaac Gilman, it is possible he didn't mention they were going to meet somebody, or who exactly.

No mention of later injections

In order to speak to Bree about meeting Isaac Gilman, Bree must've been next to Drew Avery during his phone call. This means she heard the words "final injection". She also knew that her father was against her doing the Ceremony, so it was unlikely the injections were preperation for it. Why didn't she mention any of this to Daniel or Jonas?

Contradicting accounts of Cassie's departure

How come Bree says at one point that Cassie stopped talking to her because Bree's religion freaked her out, but says in a later video that they haven't seen each other since Bree took the blame for Cassie's prank phone calls?

Invisible money

How does Jonas finance their adventures without leaving a trail for the Order to follow when he uses ATM's and such?

Possible solution: He doesn't. It has been suggested this is how the Order keeps finding them - although one should keep in mind that there were always other reasons presented in the series, such as bugged cars, traced cellphones or treasonous aunts.

Gemma's warning about Watchers

Why did Gemma warn Bree about the Watchers, especially if they were working for the Order?

Possible solution: Watchers are assigned to protect Bree, no matter from whom. Gemma was working for OP APHID, a more radical wing of the Order; if APHID has/had similar goals like the faction that sent the Shadow in Subjects Apprehended, it is possible the Watchers would've been an obstacle had they tried to take Bree by force. Telling Bree the Watchers are evil, while they are in fact protecting her, was an easy way of separating Bree and the Watchers.

Possible solution 2: Another possibility is that Gemma ventured a minor information to gain Bree's trust, in order to have a better chance of influencing her later.

Possible solution 3: In addition, there is the possibility that Gemma wasn't originally evil, but was found and turned later. This, however, is improbable, given that Tachyon said Gemma had tried to kill Brother months before the events of lonelygirl15.

Missing Watchers for Jules

Why weren't there Watchers to protect Jules?

Possible solution: The obvious answer to this is that she is trait negative, and thus not a ceremony girl - but: She was supposed to work as bait for Bree and the others, so shouldn't she have gotten Watchers just to look like a ceremony girl?

Possible solution 2: On the other hand, some people argue that the presence of Watchers might have scared BDJ off, and that this would've been contrary to the Order's plans, which is why they didn't position any obvious Watchers.

The forgotten parents

What is Daniel doing about his parents? They can't possibly believe that he's still camping, can they?

Contradicting accounts on whether the Order watches videos

In "Mystery Movies", we find out that Bree's dad must be watching her videos, and we know from the video "Me For Daniel" that the Order is watching Bree's videos- but later, in one of Nikki B.'s videos, we find out that the Order doesn't watch her videos - why?

Solution: This is called a "retcon", which stands for Retroactive continuity. Put bluntly, it is a deliberate continuity error in order to change information that was previously given. Basically, the Creators didn't like the fact that the Order sees the videos anymore, so they simply said it doesn't - no matter if it makes sense or not.

Illogical Ceremony date hints

Why would Bree hint that the Ceremony would take place on 10/12/06 when it was only a false Ceremony that hadn't been planned yet (we know this because Bree says that it wasn't planned until after the people helping her prepare found out Daniel was filming them)? Also, why did she have to lie to her parents about when the Ceremony took place?

Counterproductive fearmongering

If Gemma really thought Bree should do the Ceremony, why did she scare her by saying that after the Ceremony, the family she told about disappeared?

See also