Difference between revisions of "Talk:Crystal Young"

Revision as of 23:00, 6 April 2008

Color for Gina/Crystal......I think Blanched Almond(#FFEBCD), Peach(#FFE5B4) or Wheat (#F5DEB3),one of them , is suitable for a real builder. - AzukiLotus 17 February 2008

Today, I added the material below to the Crystal Young page, a bit of trivia, of interest to those who are fans of Crystal Young aka Gina. Why was this deleted by Renegade with the history comment "wtf?" ~ QtheC 20:15, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

Other LG15 Appearances

In March 2008, Crystal appeared in photos of an LG15 hosted BBQ along with an unidentified brunette. Amanda Goodfried on Inside LG15 commented: "The unnamed brunette is Crystal’s cousin, not an employee or cast member." Some fans have speculated that this "unnamed brunette" is actually Reese Witherspoon.

1. "appearances" on LGPedia usually refer to appearances in videos, thus the phrasing of the section is highly confusing.
2. This type of section as a whole is entirely unprecedented, most likely because...
3. This section is useless. Do you want to note on every actor/ress when s/he has been on a photo? That's ridiculous. Inside LG15 is the behind the scenes blog. Crystal regularly appears on there. That's expected and nothing special/noteworthy. In addition, the fan speculation note was obsolete and redundant the second the comment you linked yourself was released - what do we care what the fans speculated when we have official confirmation who she is?

Neither the fact that Crystal Young is on behind the scenes photos, nor that she has a cousin, nor that she is on photos with her cousin is noteworthy. If you feel these photos should be shared, add a link to the post under See also/External links. But an own section for an everyday situation is unnecessary.

~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 20:35, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

Also, please don't take the WTF thing too seriously. I had asked Ren to do this because I was on the run and told him to take care of it, and jokingly made a comment that it was "WTF?" content. That being said, it does go to show that, especially for content that clearly doesn't belong on a page, an explanation isn't often viewed as necessary. Ren's explanation seems to be exactly what I was going to say, regarding why the content shouldn't be here. - Shiori 20:53, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

Renegade's discussion seems to have missed the point that the speculation and interesting and unconfirmed news was that Reese Witherspoon may be Crystal Young's cousin. That was the reason for the addition of the content, not merely that Crystal appeared in behind the scenes photos, etc. What was confirmed was that the girl in the image is Crystal's cousin. What was speculated but unconfirmed was that she is Reese Witherspoon. If the word "Appearances" is confusing, certainly some alternative may be suggested. I will look into the helpful suggestion about adding a link under the "See also/External links" section.

~ QtheC 11:53, 6 April 2008 (CDT)

Trying to find the most appropriate format to add the content... The page for Jessica Lee Rose has "LG15 Related Appearances" as well as "External Links." The page for Yousef Abu-Taleb has "Other Works and Appearances", "Rumors", "Fun Facts", and "External Links." Though not an exact match, the content I added clearly has precedent in these pages. Renegade suggested "See also/External links" which is possible with a link to Amanda's comment on the article on InsideLG15. Usually, the "External Links" are brief without images or discussion as is found in the other sections on actors pages. Perhaps a section named "Speculation" or "Other" or "Miscellany" would be a better alternative than "Other LG15 Appearances" ?

Miscellany

In March 2008, Crystal appeared in photos of an LG15 hosted BBQ along with an unidentified brunette. Amanda Goodfried on Inside LG15 commented: "The unnamed brunette is Crystal’s cousin, not an employee or cast member." Some fans have speculated that this "unnamed brunette" is actually Reese Witherspoon.

~ QtheC 12:27, 6 April 2008 (CDT)

The content you tried to add is not precedented on the other pages, because the content on the other pages are references to other appearances in public media, lg15-related or not, whereas the content you tried to add where not "appearances" in this common use on the pedia, but behind-the-scenes material. Being on a snapshot on a private party of the cast does not equal being photographed for Wired Magazine.

In addition, if your original reason for adding this section was the Reese Witherspoon rumor, you utterly failed at writing the section - because the rumor only appears as a sidenote in the last sentence. If you want to note this rumor even though it's debunked, the simple addition of "Crystal was at one point speculated to be connected to Reese Witherspoon, after a photo of her with a similarly-looking brunette surfaced on Inside LG15. These rumors were quickly debunked by Amanda Goodfried, who explained that the girl was Crystal's cousin." as the last paragraph would be enough.

Focus on the rumor, no need to include the images, no own section just for a debunked rumor. It's still not exactly notable, and I wouldn't rule out somebody else might opt to remove it, but I, personally, would not have cared enough about such an additional paragraph to revert it.

~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 16:47, 6 April 2008 (CDT)

The content I suggested is precedented by the kinds of material on the other pages - miscellaneous items of interest, "fun stuff", "rumors", and links to external references to the actors. As I said it is not an exact match, but that is really splitting hairs.

Why are you assuming that the brunette cannot be both Crystal's cousin as well as being Reese Witherspoon? The rumor or speculation has not been 'debunked' as far as I can tell - it just wasn't confirmed. Personally, I think that it is Reese Witherspoon, but it is possible that Amanda just chose not to confirm her identity specifically by using her name, probably because she is a well-known actress and is not professionally connected to LG15. I have reread my text, and it seems clear and correct as far as what is known, and what is speculation, and what was said.

If some other wording or order of sentences would be clearer, I'm open to suggestions. The images are part of the content, because they allow the reader/viewer to judge for themselves the identity of the cousin. That is why I also included a link to Ms. Witherspoon's IMDB page.

~ QtheC 17:41, 6 April 2008 (CDT)

The type of content you added is precedented. Creating an entire section like this is not. Mislabeling it as an "appearance" is not. Mislabeling it as an "LG15 appearance" is not. Not to mention that the fact that there is notable trivia on LGPedia does not automatically mean that this particular fact is notable trivia. I could note on episode pages which color Sarah's socks are - just because we previously noted when she switched from predominantly black to colorful outfits doesn't mean any note about any color of any of her clothes is automatically notable.

As for your personal opinion, as far as I can see, it's just another case of wild fan speculation. Prove that it is a commonly held view, that it's a widely spread theory, and it'll be added on grounds of notability. Your personal opinion is not reason enough to add a rumors section to an actor page.

And at least the "Crystal at the barbeque" picture serves no purpose whatsoever.

~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 18:00, 6 April 2008 (CDT)