Talk:H.P. Lovecraft

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The original information in this article was copied and pasted directly from: http://www.digital-brilliance.com/necron/necron.htm

However, that is a site by a Lovecraft fan and is not credible in the least. --Tannhaus 21:25, 30 November 2006 (CST)

The powers that be will probably kill this page unless we tie it into the LG story line. In general this can best be done by relating it to Crowley. I always enjoy your critical and educated input but as much as possible try and tie things into LG. A positive association is probably as good as a negative one.....as long as there is some linkage. Personally I have no objection to more general information but it takes too much effort to fight for the suvival of pages that dont have any connection to the story like, so please try to help in anyway you can.--modelmotion 21:40, 30 November 2006 (CST)

I understand...but this is a dead end. There IS no linkage to Crowley...at all. That website was obviously written by a lovecraft fan and is a little tongue in cheek. It's the same as the Kathulu majik thing. I'd have no problem relating something that is somehow relateable. But, this just isn't. --Tannhaus 21:48, 30 November 2006 (CST)

I just checked also...the "source" for that anti-faq apparently doesn't even exist. It says it was compiled using information from "The Book of the Arab" by Justin Geoffry and published by Starry Wisdom Press. However, Starry Wisdom Press appears to be a fictional publishing company which is, itself, part of the Cthulu mythos: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:aMWyFzKyQvkJ:dracandros.com/Jebgarg/Nidoking/cthuchrono.htm+%22Starry+Wisdom+Press%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10&lr=lang_en

Also, "The Book of the Arab" is another name for the Necronomicon. In other words, this is all fictional and tongue-in-cheek...meant to amuse, not be taken as fact.--Tannhaus 22:08, 30 November 2006 (CST)

I am certainly not trying to insult Thelema. However I am trying to interpret information that i find on the internet. Information that other users are likely for find!!! I think our current version is a fair balance. Remember that some of use are trying to understand concepts that we have only recently encountered and at times its difficult to grasp the big picture. Perhaps you can discuss that furher in your next video. I will be the first to watch and learn!--modelmotion 22:36, 30 November 2006 (CST)

Part of interpreting information you find on the internet is separating fact from fiction. However, the source you quoted is entirely fiction. Including it as a factual source is in no way helpful, but is instead a misrepresentation of the truth. --Tannhaus 23:00, 30 November 2006 (CST)

By nominating Necronomicon H.P. Lovecraft and Kathulu Majik for deletion Tannhaus clearly has an agenda of stamping out all free debate that he does not agree with. I have attempted to accommodate every point he has made in accordance with standard wiki procedures however this one sided approach is difficult to deal with. I think a discussion of both fictional and nonfictional topics that bear some relevance to the LG15 story line is worth debating. Writers not only draw on nonfiction for inspiration but also fiction. The Creators have stated that Bree's religion draws on a number of influences. I have attempted to research and document these in good faith and I do not think it would be fair if these substantial contributions are just discarded without appropriate discussion and debate of their relevance to potential future story lines. It should be remembered that the Creators want us to express where we would like the story to go and it seems to be that research into what has gone before in terms of story lines is highly relevant.

I really like the new content. I think it does the topic justice. Its educated and addresses a lot of the comments that were raised after the videos. Thanks.--modelmotion 01:35, 2 December 2006 (CST)

Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

On this page titled H.P. Lovecraft here appears to be a section on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. However, there is no explanation of how the two are even related, let alone one be the subtopic of another. Since the article on Buffy the Vampire Slayer was deleted on grounds that it was unrelated to LG15, I think that this content should be removed from the Lovecraft page as well unless there is a connection here.OwenIsCool 13:58, 5 December 2006 (CST)

Yes, it doesn't appear to fit at all. The only thing appearing to link the two is that the dieties in HP Lovecraft were called the Old Ones and the old vampires in Buffy were called the Old Ones. That's a very tenuous link. Then, it brings up Osiris and Buffy, but Osiris has nothing at all to do with HP Lovecraft and really doesn't fit anywhere. Also, it says see necromancy for information related to Buffy and the Old Ones, which obviously has nothing to do with necromancy at all, but instead vampires. --Tannhaus 14:08, 5 December 2006 (CST)

Now that the Lovecraft page is going through some changes to incorporate Necronomicon content... perhaps it's finally time to scratch the Buffy section? OwenIsCool 17:48, 7 December 2006 (CST)

content from deleted Necronomicon page

The Necronomicon is a fictional book invented by H.P. Lovecraft in the early 20th century in a series of short stories taking place in Massachusetts and related to the fictional Miskatonic University. It differs from the Egyptian or Tibetan books of the dead in the fact that the Necronomicon was supposed to be used to summon the dead whereas actual books of the dead were to be memorized by the deceased and acted as a guidebook in their journey through the afterlife. The Lovecraft invention of the Necronomicon, as we can see in wikipedia, has no basis in fact and never existed except in fiction.

There has been a great deal of discussion about Bree's ceremony involving some sort of communion with otherworldly entities or communication with another world. These discussions include the use of rituals to open gates to other worlds or realms, communication with the dead etc. Much of this comes from references to ancient Egyptology. Other parts come from references to Aleister Crowley. This suggests that the writers of LG may be familiar with the Necronomicon and it may well be an influence on the LG story line.

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