Talk:Order of Ormus

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Proposal for Deletion

This is what's been going on with the article thus far:

Hey, I just noticed you created "Order of Ormus" and uploaded some pictures for it. From what I can see, this page doesn't have anything to do with lonelygirl15. Could you explain why you created it? If you don't respond, your edits will be considered vandalism and will be reverted. Thanks!--Jonpro 20:06, 2 March 2008 (CST)
Acrowleyorder is based on the Order of Ormus. Look up Erica Pike —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ziggy1710 (talkcontribs) .
Are you saying it's a series, an organization, or what? Is there a specific reason why it deserves a page on the LGPedia? We have a page on Acrowleyorder; could the information perhaps be put on that page? Also, your article has a lot of red links and will have to be cleaned up significantly if it stays. Please provide some rationale for why the page should stay or it will be deleted.--Jonpro 20:16, 2 March 2008 (CST)
Could you slow down and read. Do you not know about the Erica Pike series connected to Kate Modern and Lonely girl. Ask Greg or Miles. http://www.youtube.com/acrowleyorder This is still a work in progress. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ziggy1710 (talkcontribs) .
Okay, I understand that it's a work in progress, but we have a page on Acrowleyorder, whose YouTube profile you linked me to. Is this series different than that one, a spinoff of it, or what? I've asked other people about the series and some have heard of it but no one knows much about it. Maybe you page you created is legitimate, but it's on you (the creator of the page) to provide reasons why. I'm not going to do research to defend your page. If it really is notable, it shouldn't take that long to explain why. Also, as a side note, there's no reason to put the exact same information on multiple pages, so please don't.--Jonpro 20:30, 2 March 2008 (CST)
The is the first page on the Order of Ormus which is part of the acrowleyorder series. If you aren't familiar with ACO then ask someone who is to judge the article. This is the same series but with back ground information that fans have desired for quite a period of time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ziggy1710 (talkcontribs) .
We've actually been having a discussion about fan series on LGPedia, and right now Acrowleyorder is in the tier that grants it an extensive page. Maybe you could add some of the information you added to that page instead of creating an entire new page for it. After all, it seems like most of that information isn't directly related to the series anyway. Remember, this isn't Wikipedia (is that where you got the article?), so we only include things that are about lg15-related things. I'm having trouble figuring out how most of that information is pertinent.--Jonpro 21:20, 2 March 2008 (CST)
I know you work very hard. But we have post no information on the Order of Ormus. The real Order ofr the fictional one in the LG series. I think you should leave the post. There are articles on A. Crowley and he really has very little to do with the series. Shall I name others. I think people will be interested in the fact that Ormus is real. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ziggy1710 (talkcontribs) .
Hmmm, well if there's a direct connection to the lonelygirl15 series, you may have a case. However, even then, maybe it should just be merged with the article on the Order. The main objection I have with the page is that most of the content is not related to lg15. Perhaps the article could be re-written to show the connections between this group and lg15? Also, the fact that this article in its original state has a bunch of redlinks makes me think it was copied from Wikipedia. But Order of Ormus was recently deleted. If this is an attempt to relocate that information, that's not what the LGPedia is for.--Jonpro 09:24, 3 March 2008 (CST)
Sorry, I forgot to respond to your comment about there being many non-lg15-related pages here. I have noticed that as well, and if we ever finish the fanfic discussion, perhaps we'll tackle that issue next. A lot of those pages probably need to go or be re-written to better show their connection with lg15. In other words, what I'm trying to say is that I see the presence of the pages you refer to as an issue we have to deal with, and adding one more page to the mix only makes things worse.--Jonpro 14:50, 3 March 2008 (CST)

We can't figure out the relevance of this page, so it's been marked for deletion, barring (of course) a real reason to keep it.
Please keep in mind that Acrowleyorder itself has been marked as needing to be merged into a single page.- Shiori 08:39, 3 March 2008 (CST)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A8res_de_la_Rose_Croix_d%27Or has not been deleted and it is very clear what the connection to the LG15 series. This has nothing to do with the Order. Only the person Erica Pike is based on. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ziggy1710 (talkcontribs) . Note from Shiori: The page just got deleted.

Yeah, so if this is an (almost) exact copy of a Wikipedia article, why do we need it here? Wouldn't a link to that article be sufficient?--Jonpro 23:53, 4 March 2008 (CST)
I'm with Jonpro, the two articles are highly similar, the only major difference being the paragraph mentioning the connection to LG15. Not only would a link to the site be sufficient, it'd just be simpler. --Pheon 00:48, 5 March 2008 (CST)
I agree with Jon and Pheon.
(I think it may also be pertinent to mention that the original Order of Ormus page was deleted on Wikipedia for being FAKE, of all things. The page ziggy linked just got deleted, so linking to it won't work, but the fact that ziggy's main argument about it being interesting that the Order existed is falsified, I think that more than speaks for itself.) - Shiori 06:34, 5 March 2008 (CST)
All of this adds up to... deletion. As Shiori says, the fact that the folks at Wikipedia determined this was fake undermines your argument for keeping it. Also, as I've said, pertinent information can be put on the Acrowleyorder page; there's no need for a separate page, especially since the fanfic revamp determined Acrowleyorder only gets one (extensive) page. If you want to put the information on your bebo or whatever, that's fine, and we can link to it, but really, there's no need for an entire page.--Jonpro 18:47, 5 March 2008 (CST)