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Er, give or take a little, but yeah, more along this basic idea. (I probably overdid it with characters for removal.. or not.  I'd love thoughts please!!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:39, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
 
Er, give or take a little, but yeah, more along this basic idea. (I probably overdid it with characters for removal.. or not.  I'd love thoughts please!!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:39, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
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:I really liked how most of the characters are listed in the current box.  Makes navigation fly REALLY well when I'm exploring the LGPedia.  Mind you, if others feel its too crowded, go ahead and trim it.  But I'd definitely wouldn't be as frugal as the list above Zoey. :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:37, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
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Hm, I just feel like so many of the characters are so minor.. and it's just cluttering the template to have them all listed.  I feel like the [[Characters]] page should be available for the full list, but the CharIndex should really be for characters that would be frequently visited.  I just think we should trim it down.  I did it with the [[Template:CrewIndex|CrewIndex]] too (after discussions on the [[Template_talk:CrewIndex|talk page]]), and I really think it looks much neater and easier to handle to have the main actors and then a link to other cameos as opposed to trying to list all the cameo actors on the template itself.  I think the same would hold true for this.  The main characters that people would really honestly bother looking up (not really the LonelyCracks, per say, just like.. someone who wanted to read about the main characters) should be listed and the rest can be directed to the Characters page, which would still provide a way for the LonelyCrackers to view all the chars. in a nice tidy format. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:12, 17 June 2007 (CDT)
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:Yeah, you're right, it should be cut down -- on the other hand, I think you went a LITTLE overboard. :->  My suggestion is this:  include all the characters that have pictures on the [[Characters]] page, as they're pretty much the most important ones anyway. It might be best to use the same categories on that page (i.e., include "Missing or Deceased Characters"), just for the sake of consistency. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JB<small>SHRYNE</small>]]''' 16:57, 17 June 2007 (CDT)
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So like this...?
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{| class="infobox" align="bottom" style="border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;" cellspacing="2"
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|+  '''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''
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|-
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| style="background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;" align="center" |'''[[Characters|<font color=white>Characters</font>]]'''
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|- valign=top
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! style="width:8em" |
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|-
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|<big>'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''</big>
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'''Supporting Characters''': [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Jules]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]]
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'''Missing or Deceased Characters''': [[OpAphid]] - [[Tachyon]] - [[Brother]] - [[Bree's parents]] - [[Gemma]]
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'''Stuffed Characters''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]]
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~[[Characters|Other Characters]]~
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|}
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(Maybe in need of a bit of cleanup still, but how's this look?) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 12:34, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
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:Are two more stuffed character really going to crowd the box?  (I won't deny I'm a fan of Daniel's puppy).  And maybe a few more parents (though I would understand why not, since they are for the most part unseen). --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 17:56, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
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::I like that a lot.  And yes, I'd put in TOM and Daniel's Puppy, just to perfectly consistent.  But I like it, though it may need to change fairly soon, 'cause I have a feeling that Dr. Gilman will soon be showing us the wonderful, Order-crushing power of Neutrogena.  ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JB<small>SHRYNE</small>]]''' 15:10, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
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So is this what everyone has agreed upon?  I'll change it tommorow if there are no objections.
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{| class="infobox" align="bottom" style="border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;" cellspacing="2"
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|+  '''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''
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|-
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| style="background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;" align="center" |'''[[Characters|<font color=white>Characters</font>]]'''
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|- valign=top
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! style="width:8em" |
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|-
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|<big>'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''</big>
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'''Supporting Characters''': [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Jules]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]]
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'''Missing or Deceased Characters''': [[OpAphid]] - [[Tachyon]] - [[Brother]] - [[Bree's parents]] - [[Gemma]]
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'''Stuffed Characters''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]] - [[The Other Monkey]] - [[Daniel's puppy]]
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~[[Characters|Other Characters]]~
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|}
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--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:27, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
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Okay, as I'm looking at new characters that are being added, I'm wondering if the pictures-on-the-character page is the best way to go.  Like, Taylor's Troll Dolls were just added, but they certainly aren't that important.  And I'm not even sure, as I think about it, that we need to have Op/Tach/Bro since they really aren't a part of the story anymore, and mostly have their own Index with the in-game stuff.  I also don't think that Daniel's puppy and T.O.M. really need to be on this page, because while yes, they are cute and under appriciated, they really aren't mentioned enough in the videos to constitute a listing on the main character navigation.  How about this:
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{| class="infobox" align="bottom" style="border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;" cellspacing="2"
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|+  '''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''
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|-
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| style="background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;" align="center" |'''[[Characters|<font color=white>Characters</font>]]'''
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|- valign=top
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! style="width:8em" |
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|-
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|<big>'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''</big>
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'''Supporting Characters''': [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Jules]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Gemma]] - [[Bree's parents#Father|Drew Avery]] - [[Spencer]]
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'''Stuffed Characters''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]]
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~''[[Characters|All Other Characters]]''~
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|}
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I don't know, meh.  For some reason I feel like that's more.. suiting.  Perhaps we can categorize them better... Members of the Order/Members of the Resistance?  Something like that, I dunno.  Thoughts please?
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{| class="infobox" align="bottom" style="border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;" cellspacing="2"
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|+  '''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''
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|-
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| style="background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;" align="center" |'''[[Characters|<font color=white>Characters</font>]]'''
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|- valign=top
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! style="width:8em" |
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|-
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|<big>'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''</big>
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'''Supporting Characters''': [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Bree's parents#Father|Drew Avery]] - [[Spencer|Spencer Gilman]] - [[Isaac Gilman]]
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'''Members of the Order''': [[Jules]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Gemma]]
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'''Stuffed Characters''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]]
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~''[[Characters|All Other Characters]]''~
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|}
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--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:52, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
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:I don't know, Zoey.  Besides adding Spencer to the "supporting characters," I honestly think the best move right now is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Granted, if someone else can come up with a more promising restructuring, then I'd be willing to give it a shot.  But since we JUST got rid of the old character box where "everyone possible" was the goal, I feel let's have some time pass.  But then again, don't let me be the only judge. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:57, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
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::Hm, okay... well I just feel like we were a bit hasty with our decision last time, unknowingly.. just because now "Taylor's Troll Dolls" are on the character navigation, and really, they don't have their own page o_o They are SO minor.  I like that second one I did.. it includes everyone major and keeps them organized.... what did you think of that one?  And can other people please include their thoughts? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:20, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
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Does anyone have any additional thoughts/objections?  If not, I'll go ahead and make the changes in a day or two... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:36, 4 July 2007 (CDT)
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:Let's give this issue some more time, Zoey.  Perhaps people simply haven't noticed this topic in the Participate or something, but nevertheless I would like to hear other people's opinions. (Remember what you said - you felt the last decision felt rushed, so lets give it another week or two.) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:50, 4 July 2007 (CDT)
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: I re-added Isaac Gilman, as it seems his purpose goes beyond finding Spencer.  But other than that, I'm still liking the character list as proposed above.  We REALLY don't need Taylor's troll dolls on the list.. lol.  Can someone else please post their thoughts?  I will seriously make it live soon if ya don't... grr ;P.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:16, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
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Okay, it has been over a week and there have been no further objections or suggestions on how to handle this.  I am going to go ahead and make the latest version live.  If people have concerns/complaints about it, feel free to further discuss here :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:25, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
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:Oh come on, Zoey, Daniel's Puppy hasn't been a one-shot stuffed animal!! :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:01, 14 July 2007 (CDT)
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::Fine fine! :P  updated. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:27, 14 July 2007 (CDT)
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== "Current" Character Index ==
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So I was thinking about how to best treat this character box. As I see it, when people are looking to learn more about what's currently going on in the story, they'll be clicking on the characters who appear "now." Then when the person gets hooked and wants to learn more about the history, they'll click on "All Characters" and be able to see the characters in the rankings of their "overall importance" on the Characters page. So like the character box would just be "who we're focusing on now" (and I'll still only do the major characters at that time obviously. Like I wouldn't put Pharma guy up yet even though he was just in a video. At this point he's just not someone you ''need'' to read about to understand the plot) and the Characters page is "who we're focusing on in the big picture/long term." So anyways, I'll make the changes and if you guys have any questions, concerns, comments, or thoughts, please let me know! Thanks --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:32, 29 November 2007 (CST)
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:I agree, but can we change the general formatting of the box back to the way it was?  The names are Holy Crap gigantic, and very distracting.  I'd think something like this would be ideal:
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{| class="infobox" align="bottom" style="border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;" cellspacing="2"
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|-
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| style="background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;" align="center" |'''[[Characters|<font color=white>Characters</font>]]'''
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|- valign=top
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! style="width:8em" |
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|-
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|<big>'''[[Daniel]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Emma]]'''</big>
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[[Taylor]] - [[Mallory]] - [[Dr. Calvin Hart]] - [[Gina]] - [[Professor DelMundo]]
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~ [[Characters|Other Characters]] ~
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|}
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:For that matter, why does it need the Topic header above the box?  It seems kind of redundant to me. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 14:23, 29 November 2007 (CST)
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::I edited the font size back to big tags for the time being, because it was ''really'' distracting. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 14:36, 29 November 2007 (CST)
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:The one thing that worries me without the label is that people will be confused where all the other big characters are. For instance, I forsee a lot of "Why isn't Bree on there" questions if we don't specify that we're only listing current supporting characters... plus it almost feels kind of.. empty to me. I dunno, I felt like the black kind of broke it up... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:29, 1 December 2007 (CST)
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::I see your point, though maybe we could make the black text a little smaller?  It looks kind of big.  Who added Carl, Chris, and Claudia on there, anyway?? Honestly, if someone's going to push for more minor characters, why them?  I think we might need some guidelines for that.  I think keeping the supporting characters to one line makes it look cleaner. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:14, 3 December 2007 (CST)
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:Huh, I actually thought having it on two lines made the black text look ''less'' massive... And Chris, Carl, and Claudia were added because they are supporting characters within Sarah's story right now... I mean, if someone is trying to keep up with the story, those would be characters they might be interested in, right? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:52, 3 December 2007 (CST)
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::Yeah, you're right, it does actually look a lot better.  I think I was being too hard on it or something.  And I had completely forgotten that Sarah was off doing her own thing with the HoO-ers right now, so yeah, they should be listed. = [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 23:31, 3 December 2007 (CST)
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==Hmm... "Current Supporting Characters"==
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I just found a flaw in the new current character box. I love the idea of it and everything. And it's working great. But here's what's bothering me... it says "Current Supporting Characters" underneath the current main characters, and lists the current supporting characters, right? That's great, but what I've found is that when you go to the [[Characters]] page, barely any of those "Current Supporting Characters" are even under the Supporting Characters section. Shouldn't we keep them consistent, with the exception of the deceased [[Gina]]?
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:<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">&nbsp;&nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 17:19, 6 December 2007 (CST)
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::I agree, and we really need to come up with some sort of guidelines for determining supporting characters.  Leave Nikki B, though; I think you'd have an uprising on your hands for moving her. :P - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:17, 6 December 2007 (CST)
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Well, that was part of the point, I thought. The [[Characters]] page provides a much more permanent look at who the supporting characters of the entire series are. It documents the show as a whole. On the other hand, the character box is something you see on all the pages and provides a more "up to date" view of who the supporting characters are. IMO the contrast is nice... do you disagree? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 6 December 2007 (CST)
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:I agree with Zoey: The minute we had so many characters for the Index, we set it up where only the most important and current characters resided in the index while the Character page contained them all.  "Supporting characters of the moment" and "supporting characters of the series" seems to be the only confusion here, albeit a trivial one (but hey, this is the LGPedia . . . we LOVE trivialities!) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:36, 16 December 2007 (CST)
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==After the show...==
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When KateModern ended, they added all the characters back to the character box, and I assume LG15's will look something like this...
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{| class="infobox" align="bottom" style="border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 100%; background: #eee;" cellspacing="2"
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|+  '''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''
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|-
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| style="background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;" align="center" |'''[[Lonelygirl15 characters|<font color=white>Lonelygirl15 Characters</font>]]'''
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|- valign=top
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! style="width:8em" |
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|-
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| <big>'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]] - [[Emma]] - [[Jennie]]- [[Gina]]'''</big>
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'''Supporting Characters:''' <br>[[Drew Avery]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Nikki B]] - [[Gemma]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Jules]] - [[Spencer]] - [[Mallory]] - [[The Whartons]] - [[Claire]]  [[Virgil]] - [[Dr. Hart]] - [[Elizabeth Avery]] - [[Steve]] - [[Edward Salinas]] - [[Lord Carruthers]]
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<div style="font-size:9pt;padding:0.4em 0em 0em 0em;">'''''{{link|link=Lonelygirl15 characters|text=Click Here For The Full Character List|color=black|external=no}}'''''</div>
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|}
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Any comments, how would you change it?
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:Well, I built a mockup for the character page once the show ends (see [[User:Zoey/Lonelygirl15 characters]]) so in my mind, it makes most sense to follow that format. I don't actually think [[Steve]] belongs here (nor do I think Jonas belongs on the KM Characters... they were a crossover character, but they still "belong" to their respective shows). Anyways, here's how I would propose it look...
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{| class="infobox" align="bottom" style="border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 100%; background: #eee;" cellspacing="2"
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|-
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| style="background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;" align="center" |'''[[Lonelygirl15 characters|<font color=white>Lonelygirl15 Characters</font>]]'''
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|- valign=top
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! style="width:8em" |
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|-
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| <big>'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]] - [[Emma]] - [[Jennie]]- [[Gina]]'''</big>
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'''Supporting Characters:''' <br>[[Lucy]] - [[Nikki Bower|Nikki B]] - [[Virgil]] - [[Gemma]] - [[Elizabeth Avery]] - [[Bree's Watcher]] - [[OpAphid]] - [[Tachyon]] - [[Brother]] - [[Alex]] <br> [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Jules]] - [[Spencer]] - [[Mallory]] - [[The Whartons]] - [[Claire]] - [[Virgil]] - [[Dr. Hart]] - [[Edward Salinas]]
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<div style="font-size:9pt;padding:0.4em 0em 0em 0em;">'''''{{link|link=Lonelygirl15 characters|text=Click Here For The Full Character List|color=black|external=no}}'''''</div>
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:What do you think of this? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:33, 26 July 2008 (CDT)
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::I like it, I just never thought to add the ARG characters, and I personally would consider adding Lord Carruthers, depending on his role in the upcoming finale, and their are theories that he is someone we already know... --[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 09:13, 26 July 2008 (CDT)
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:::Well, Virgil's on there twice. :P. When KM ended, All the main characters listed in such a large font hurt my eyes, so I reformated it. Here's what it would look like minus second Virgil and plus Carruthers:
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{| class="infobox" align="bottom" style="border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 100%; background: #eee;" cellspacing="2"
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| style="background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;" align="center" |'''[[Lonelygirl15 characters|<font color=white>Lonelygirl15 Characters</font>]]'''
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|- valign=top
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| '''MAIN CHARACTERS:'''<br>'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Taylor]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Emma]] - [[Jennie]] - [[Gina]]'''<br>
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'''Supporting Characters:''' <br>[[Lucy]] - [[Nikki Bower|Nikki B]] - [[Virgil]] - [[Gemma]] - [[Elizabeth Avery]] - [[Bree's Watcher]] - [[OpAphid]]<br>[[Tachyon]] - [[Brother]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Jules]] - [[Spencer]] - [[The Whartons]]<br>[[Mallory]] - [[Claire]] - [[Dr. Hart]] - [[Edward Salinas]] - [[Lord Carruthers]]
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<div style="font-size:9pt;padding:0.4em 0em 0em 0em;">'''''{{link|link=Lonelygirl15 characters|text=Click Here For The Full Character List|color=black|external=no}}'''''</div>
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I made it into three rows because it was getting crowded in two. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 12:10, 26 July 2008 (EST)

Latest revision as of 16:13, 26 July 2008

I like it Jay. One thing, the minor characters: Paul and Andrea and Cassie i'd consider more so fanfic characters. They are mentioned, yes, but they've been mostly developed outside of "officiality" (did i jsut amke that word up?). Thats just my opinion though. Maybe a little section of well known fanfics in the template. That would be neat-o!--Killthesmiley 14:59, 2 February 2007 (CST)

So I just tossed this up as an idea. I made the somewhat controversial move of grouping Gemma with the other members of The Order. That seems to me more logical than grouping her with Daniel, Jonas and Bree, especially since she's evidently been dead for a month now. The categories of "parents" and "minor characters" is not something we've used before, but it seemed more logical to me. Obviously, two of those links don't have a page with them. That's an interesting point that KTS raises about Paul and Andrea and Cassie. They've become fanfic, but they began as Breeniverse characters that Bree and Daniel talk about. And the links are to the pages about their canon variations, not to the fanficcers. That was my reasoning, but I def see KTS's point.--JayHenry 15:04, 2 February 2007 (CST)
I like this template. I liked stuffed characters to their category page, and minor characters to unseen. Not a perfect fix, but I guess it'll work for now. OwenIsCool 19:40, 2 February 2007 (CST)

Our animal friends?

So.... since there are four of them now, can Animal Characters be added to this template? :-> ~ JBSHRYNE 14:07, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

Cleanup

Yikes, this could really use some cleanup. A lot of the characters mentioned are rather insignificant. How do people feel about only leaving significant characters on the template, and then having a link to Other Characters? I was thinkin something like this...

    Topic: CharIndex
Characters
Bree - Daniel - Jonas - Sarah - Taylor

Additional Characters: Gemma - Lucy - Alex - Jules - Nikki Bower - Other Characters

Stuffed Characters: Purple Monkey - Owen - Thor


Er, give or take a little, but yeah, more along this basic idea. (I probably overdid it with characters for removal.. or not. I'd love thoughts please!!) --Zoey 17:39, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

I really liked how most of the characters are listed in the current box. Makes navigation fly REALLY well when I'm exploring the LGPedia. Mind you, if others feel its too crowded, go ahead and trim it. But I'd definitely wouldn't be as frugal as the list above Zoey. :P --Pheon 22:37, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Hm, I just feel like so many of the characters are so minor.. and it's just cluttering the template to have them all listed. I feel like the Characters page should be available for the full list, but the CharIndex should really be for characters that would be frequently visited. I just think we should trim it down. I did it with the CrewIndex too (after discussions on the talk page), and I really think it looks much neater and easier to handle to have the main actors and then a link to other cameos as opposed to trying to list all the cameo actors on the template itself. I think the same would hold true for this. The main characters that people would really honestly bother looking up (not really the LonelyCracks, per say, just like.. someone who wanted to read about the main characters) should be listed and the rest can be directed to the Characters page, which would still provide a way for the LonelyCrackers to view all the chars. in a nice tidy format. --Zoey 00:12, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, you're right, it should be cut down -- on the other hand, I think you went a LITTLE overboard. :-> My suggestion is this: include all the characters that have pictures on the Characters page, as they're pretty much the most important ones anyway. It might be best to use the same categories on that page (i.e., include "Missing or Deceased Characters"), just for the sake of consistency. ~ JBSHRYNE 16:57, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

So like this...?

    Topic: CharIndex
Characters
Bree - Daniel - Jonas - Sarah - Taylor

Supporting Characters: Nikki Bower - Jules - Lucy - Alex - Carl - Sonia

Missing or Deceased Characters: OpAphid - Tachyon - Brother - Bree's parents - Gemma

Stuffed Characters: Purple Monkey - Owen - Thor

~Other Characters~

(Maybe in need of a bit of cleanup still, but how's this look?) --Zoey 12:34, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Are two more stuffed character really going to crowd the box? (I won't deny I'm a fan of Daniel's puppy). And maybe a few more parents (though I would understand why not, since they are for the most part unseen). --Pheon 17:56, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
I like that a lot. And yes, I'd put in TOM and Daniel's Puppy, just to perfectly consistent. But I like it, though it may need to change fairly soon, 'cause I have a feeling that Dr. Gilman will soon be showing us the wonderful, Order-crushing power of Neutrogena. ~ JBSHRYNE 15:10, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

So is this what everyone has agreed upon? I'll change it tommorow if there are no objections.

    Topic: CharIndex
Characters
Bree - Daniel - Jonas - Sarah - Taylor

Supporting Characters: Nikki Bower - Jules - Lucy - Alex - Carl - Sonia

Missing or Deceased Characters: OpAphid - Tachyon - Brother - Bree's parents - Gemma

Stuffed Characters: Purple Monkey - Owen - Thor - The Other Monkey - Daniel's puppy

~Other Characters~

--Zoey 17:27, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay, as I'm looking at new characters that are being added, I'm wondering if the pictures-on-the-character page is the best way to go. Like, Taylor's Troll Dolls were just added, but they certainly aren't that important. And I'm not even sure, as I think about it, that we need to have Op/Tach/Bro since they really aren't a part of the story anymore, and mostly have their own Index with the in-game stuff. I also don't think that Daniel's puppy and T.O.M. really need to be on this page, because while yes, they are cute and under appriciated, they really aren't mentioned enough in the videos to constitute a listing on the main character navigation. How about this:

    Topic: CharIndex
Characters
Bree - Daniel - Jonas - Sarah - Taylor

Supporting Characters: Nikki Bower - Jules - Lucy - Alex - Carl - Sonia - Gemma - Drew Avery - Spencer

Stuffed Characters: Purple Monkey - Owen - Thor

~All Other Characters~

I don't know, meh. For some reason I feel like that's more.. suiting. Perhaps we can categorize them better... Members of the Order/Members of the Resistance? Something like that, I dunno. Thoughts please?

    Topic: CharIndex
Characters
Bree - Daniel - Jonas - Sarah - Taylor

Supporting Characters: Nikki Bower - Drew Avery - Spencer Gilman - Isaac Gilman

Members of the Order: Jules - Lucy - Alex - Carl - Sonia - Gemma

Stuffed Characters: Purple Monkey - Owen - Thor

~All Other Characters~

--Zoey 13:52, 29 June 2007 (CDT)

I don't know, Zoey. Besides adding Spencer to the "supporting characters," I honestly think the best move right now is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Granted, if someone else can come up with a more promising restructuring, then I'd be willing to give it a shot. But since we JUST got rid of the old character box where "everyone possible" was the goal, I feel let's have some time pass. But then again, don't let me be the only judge. --Pheon 22:57, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
Hm, okay... well I just feel like we were a bit hasty with our decision last time, unknowingly.. just because now "Taylor's Troll Dolls" are on the character navigation, and really, they don't have their own page o_o They are SO minor. I like that second one I did.. it includes everyone major and keeps them organized.... what did you think of that one? And can other people please include their thoughts? --Zoey 01:20, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Does anyone have any additional thoughts/objections? If not, I'll go ahead and make the changes in a day or two... --Zoey 17:36, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

Let's give this issue some more time, Zoey. Perhaps people simply haven't noticed this topic in the Participate or something, but nevertheless I would like to hear other people's opinions. (Remember what you said - you felt the last decision felt rushed, so lets give it another week or two.) --Pheon 23:50, 4 July 2007 (CDT)
I re-added Isaac Gilman, as it seems his purpose goes beyond finding Spencer. But other than that, I'm still liking the character list as proposed above. We REALLY don't need Taylor's troll dolls on the list.. lol. Can someone else please post their thoughts? I will seriously make it live soon if ya don't... grr ;P. --Zoey 17:16, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

Okay, it has been over a week and there have been no further objections or suggestions on how to handle this. I am going to go ahead and make the latest version live. If people have concerns/complaints about it, feel free to further discuss here :) --Zoey 17:25, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

Oh come on, Zoey, Daniel's Puppy hasn't been a one-shot stuffed animal!! :P --Pheon 03:01, 14 July 2007 (CDT)
Fine fine! :P updated. --Zoey 13:27, 14 July 2007 (CDT)

"Current" Character Index

So I was thinking about how to best treat this character box. As I see it, when people are looking to learn more about what's currently going on in the story, they'll be clicking on the characters who appear "now." Then when the person gets hooked and wants to learn more about the history, they'll click on "All Characters" and be able to see the characters in the rankings of their "overall importance" on the Characters page. So like the character box would just be "who we're focusing on now" (and I'll still only do the major characters at that time obviously. Like I wouldn't put Pharma guy up yet even though he was just in a video. At this point he's just not someone you need to read about to understand the plot) and the Characters page is "who we're focusing on in the big picture/long term." So anyways, I'll make the changes and if you guys have any questions, concerns, comments, or thoughts, please let me know! Thanks --Zoey 01:32, 29 November 2007 (CST)

I agree, but can we change the general formatting of the box back to the way it was? The names are Holy Crap gigantic, and very distracting. I'd think something like this would be ideal:
Characters
Daniel - Sarah - Jonas - Emma

Taylor - Mallory - Dr. Calvin Hart - Gina - Professor DelMundo

~ Other Characters ~

For that matter, why does it need the Topic header above the box? It seems kind of redundant to me. - Shiori 14:23, 29 November 2007 (CST)
I edited the font size back to big tags for the time being, because it was really distracting. - Shiori 14:36, 29 November 2007 (CST)
The one thing that worries me without the label is that people will be confused where all the other big characters are. For instance, I forsee a lot of "Why isn't Bree on there" questions if we don't specify that we're only listing current supporting characters... plus it almost feels kind of.. empty to me. I dunno, I felt like the black kind of broke it up... --Zoey 20:29, 1 December 2007 (CST)
I see your point, though maybe we could make the black text a little smaller? It looks kind of big. Who added Carl, Chris, and Claudia on there, anyway?? Honestly, if someone's going to push for more minor characters, why them? I think we might need some guidelines for that. I think keeping the supporting characters to one line makes it look cleaner. - Shiori 10:14, 3 December 2007 (CST)
Huh, I actually thought having it on two lines made the black text look less massive... And Chris, Carl, and Claudia were added because they are supporting characters within Sarah's story right now... I mean, if someone is trying to keep up with the story, those would be characters they might be interested in, right? --Zoey 16:52, 3 December 2007 (CST)
Yeah, you're right, it does actually look a lot better. I think I was being too hard on it or something. And I had completely forgotten that Sarah was off doing her own thing with the HoO-ers right now, so yeah, they should be listed. = Shiori 23:31, 3 December 2007 (CST)

Hmm... "Current Supporting Characters"

I just found a flaw in the new current character box. I love the idea of it and everything. And it's working great. But here's what's bothering me... it says "Current Supporting Characters" underneath the current main characters, and lists the current supporting characters, right? That's great, but what I've found is that when you go to the Characters page, barely any of those "Current Supporting Characters" are even under the Supporting Characters section. Shouldn't we keep them consistent, with the exception of the deceased Gina?

  •Silver•   Talk | Contribs 17:19, 6 December 2007 (CST)
I agree, and we really need to come up with some sort of guidelines for determining supporting characters. Leave Nikki B, though; I think you'd have an uprising on your hands for moving her. :P - Shiori 20:17, 6 December 2007 (CST)

Well, that was part of the point, I thought. The Characters page provides a much more permanent look at who the supporting characters of the entire series are. It documents the show as a whole. On the other hand, the character box is something you see on all the pages and provides a more "up to date" view of who the supporting characters are. IMO the contrast is nice... do you disagree? --Zoey 23:25, 6 December 2007 (CST)

I agree with Zoey: The minute we had so many characters for the Index, we set it up where only the most important and current characters resided in the index while the Character page contained them all. "Supporting characters of the moment" and "supporting characters of the series" seems to be the only confusion here, albeit a trivial one (but hey, this is the LGPedia . . . we LOVE trivialities!) --Pheon 18:36, 16 December 2007 (CST)

After the show...

When KateModern ended, they added all the characters back to the character box, and I assume LG15's will look something like this...

    Topic: CharIndex
Lonelygirl15 Characters
Bree - Daniel - Jonas - Sarah - Taylor - Emma - Jennie- Gina

Supporting Characters:
Drew Avery - Lucy - Nikki B - Gemma - Alex - Carl - Sonia - Jules - Spencer - Mallory - The Whartons - Claire Virgil - Dr. Hart - Elizabeth Avery - Steve - Edward Salinas - Lord Carruthers

Any comments, how would you change it?

Well, I built a mockup for the character page once the show ends (see User:Zoey/Lonelygirl15 characters) so in my mind, it makes most sense to follow that format. I don't actually think Steve belongs here (nor do I think Jonas belongs on the KM Characters... they were a crossover character, but they still "belong" to their respective shows). Anyways, here's how I would propose it look...
    Topic: CharIndex
Lonelygirl15 Characters
Bree - Daniel - Jonas - Sarah - Taylor - Emma - Jennie- Gina

Supporting Characters:
Lucy - Nikki B - Virgil - Gemma - Elizabeth Avery - Bree's Watcher - OpAphid - Tachyon - Brother - Alex
Carl - Sonia - Jules - Spencer - Mallory - The Whartons - Claire - Virgil - Dr. Hart - Edward Salinas

What do you think of this? --Zoey 01:33, 26 July 2008 (CDT)
I like it, I just never thought to add the ARG characters, and I personally would consider adding Lord Carruthers, depending on his role in the upcoming finale, and their are theories that he is someone we already know... --TraverseTown 09:13, 26 July 2008 (CDT)
Well, Virgil's on there twice. :P. When KM ended, All the main characters listed in such a large font hurt my eyes, so I reformated it. Here's what it would look like minus second Virgil and plus Carruthers:
    Topic: CharIndex
Lonelygirl15 Characters
MAIN CHARACTERS:
Bree - Daniel - Jonas - Taylor - Sarah - Emma - Jennie - Gina

Supporting Characters:
Lucy - Nikki B - Virgil - Gemma - Elizabeth Avery - Bree's Watcher - OpAphid
Tachyon - Brother - Alex - Carl - Sonia - Jules - Spencer - The Whartons
Mallory - Claire - Dr. Hart - Edward Salinas - Lord Carruthers

I made it into three rows because it was getting crowded in two. --FH14 12:10, 26 July 2008 (EST)