User talk:Modelmotion

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modelmotion, I very much appreciate your contributions to LGpedia. What I do not appreciate is your apparent refusal to accept constructive criticism. You've frequently claimed that the way you want to see the location pages is an "all or nothing" affair. Such an attitude is not conducive to compromise or community involvement. The majority of community respondants to the issue, which in the case is pretty much just me and JayHenry, do not agree that your approach is the best way of handling location information. Nevertheless, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt to prove your point. You have a month to make the location pages a substantial contribution to LGpedia. You claim the that the location pages can offer important information that the respective video blog pages cannot; go ahead an make that happen. -- Twjaniak 06:57, 16 November 2006 (PST)

Respect

You have now compared me to the guards in the Stanford Prison Experiment, suggested I am a bureaucrat, accused me of heavy-handed bullying, accused me of "crushing your spirit" and suggested that I've abused my admin powers. Not once have I used any admin privileges in this discussion. I nominated the pages for deletion after Milowent, Brucker, TWJaniak and I all agreed that these pages did not each need a unique page. Nobody ever proposed deleting any information. It was merely an organizational suggestion, and yet you proceeded to make these accusations, and threaten to quit if you did not get your way. You never once addressed the reason for every single location to have separate pages. Instead you whined that you had created the pages and therefore it had to be your way. That's just not how a Wiki works. Do you understand that you're not being a team-player? Do you understand why I am frustrated and offended by your behavior?--JayHenry 12:12, 16 November 2006 (PST)

Jay, the only comment that i remember was directed at you was hurting my feelings and I think we resolved that one. I have said that I value your input but that i felt that at times the approach in general was at times heavy handed (meant as constructive critiscism). I welcome you input on how I can improve the location pages and hopefully other people will contribute to the effort. A couple of the location pages gained good traction....others not so much. There will always be certain locations that have limited information. However the concept is to have the locations catalogues in an organised way so that they can be references if and when needed. That has been my intention since I first created that secion and it remains my objective. I think some of the pages look pretty good with the pix and I know I enjoy them. I think you should remember that just because some of us are not expert wikipedians does not mean our approach is wrong. This is still basically and entertainment wiki and perhaps it requires a different approach from that of lets say Wikipedia. If someone can organise the information that there in a bettter then I will be the fist to admit its a better way but as it stands the current system is elegant in its simplicity.--modelmotion 14:50, 16 November 2006 (PST)

Real vs. Unreal

Hey Jay, i have been struggling a bit with the issue of "real" vs unofficial'. This is most obvious on the Watcher page. So far the wiki seems to have resolved it by creating a "Unofficial fan research" section. Thats one approach. However it raises the more general question of whether or not (and how) this issue should be addressed throughout the LGpedia. In the LG land where real, speculation and the make-believe are so tightly integrated its a little bit tricky to make these distinctions. Prior to the Watcher page most of the real video information was concentrated on the videos own page. I mean thats the place you could be 100 percent sure that the info was real. Even pages such as location pages which are for the most part verifiable are likely to contain speculative information. I guess what I am saying is that there needs to be some consistent approach to the real vs unofficial or else the pages need to be free to be a combination of both without distinguishing so absolutely between real and unofficial. Just a little food for thought. If you come up with some good direction on how to approach this either you or I can write up some general guidelines on the LGpedia page [i am not talking about any kind of formal rules here, just a friendly suggestion to nude LGpedians in the right direction}--modelmotion 10:45, 20 November 2006 (CST)

I think it might be more helpful to specify things in terms of "confirmed" and "unconfirmed". A page such as the Watcher can start out by clearly spelling out only the known facts as revealed by an LG15 video, in-character discussion on the forums, or Bree's MySpace page. At the bottom can start a new section called "Unconfirmed Information and Speculation" under which all the rumor and guessing in the world can be included and referenced. -- Twjaniak 14:35, 20 November 2006 (CST)