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wintermute
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:20 am Post subject: Re: I think I figured out the entire poem. |
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| TehSpectre wrote: | | Quote: | | But cassie does not rest in peace. |
CASSIE ISN'T DEAD!
Discuss. |
This thought had occurred to me as well. So far, we've taken it to mean that Cassie is ghost who cannot rest. But a little more literally, maybe you're correct. In which case, we might be way off... Think about the second line for a moment. You know, the one we can't quite agree on: "moses armed the evil priest." Safe to say that if the line is correct, then moses=father? In which case, Bree's father arms the evil priest. With what? Yes, the next line taken literally mentions a sword. But what if Bree's father arms the evil priest with.... BREE? Bree is going to be used to commit the sacrifice of Cassie? (Sorry... Three hours of sleep after solving the poem... I'm probably way off base...)
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espions
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| dlruss0216 wrote: | | espions wrote: | | dlruss0216 wrote: | \
Could they be synonyms, i.e. Moses and Father? Was Moses a father? Sorry, religiously ignorant here.
EDIT - TecSpectre - I swear I typed this before reading your post...lol. You're just a faster typer  |
I think he is generally revered as a figurative patriarch in that he lead the slaves out of egypt and was essentially the father figure for the whole horde of them. He was the one who served as the messenger when God handed down the 10 commandments, so in a figurate sense, Bree's father does have a parallel. He "always" does the bibliomancy so he's obviously revered in some respect amongst those who worship with them, and he's the primary authority in Bree's life, handing down the rules for the ceremony. Again this may be grasping at straws, but it does make sense to me. 10 years of Catholic Schooling has yet yet to prove useful for me, so who knows if this time it will.  |
To add to this...
Isn't it Moses that has a picture of him standing with the bible in his arm? And then Bree's father is the one who always "does the biblomacy" and therefore is always holding the bible.
Bottom line on my thought - I see strong connections to Moses and Bree's Dad. When Cassie speaks of Moses, she's speaking "figuratively" of Bree's Dad. |
He's depicted holding the tablets containing the ten commandments.
The book of numbers is a very early book in the bible, so that's not plausible for him to hold it, but still a definite parallel. Bibliomancy is supposed to be divine powers choosing the passage through the person executing it. God spoke right to moses and handed down the law. |
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atomikbr
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| baggage wrote: | | Quote: | | during the ceremony between bree and daniel |
But why would Daniel be at the ceremony? If her parents can't even go, why would Daniel go?? |
So, BREE LIES meant that she will be LYING on the altar, where this priest will kill her if nobody saves her. Daniel will try to save her and get involved in the ritual, and will need some extra help.
This is just my thought but it looks like it could be somehow right: a typical horror movie plot. |
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TehSpectre
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:21 am Post subject: |
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I am going to continue to edit my post with people's ideas if they are better than my own or add them to the idea pile.
Remember that guys!
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espions
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| dlruss0216 wrote: |
EDIT - And if this is true, then "Moses Armed" means Bree's father will be armed. He would be the one to sacrafice her, which I have a hard time believing.  |
The line says that moses arms the priest, which essentially Mr. Bree (hehe) is doing by aiding her preparations. |
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Jacktwan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| It makes some sense, her little speach during the swimming video she did seem a bit guilt ridden. She was killing bugs...... |
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baggage
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Cassie does not RIP means she is alive! |
This just isn't true. RIP is often used when someone has a tragic death or unfinished business. For instance, there are news articles such as "Will Jon Benet be able to rest in peace now that they caught her killer?" (Yes, I know he was let go)
See what I mean? All it means is that Cassie can not rest in peace because she was murdered and she wants to get back at who did it, or she wants to save other people. Etc.
She could be using it to indicate that she is alive, but why does she say "killed me" up above?
All I know is I am glad to know they have the internet in the afterlife.
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Anduviel
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Alright, we pretty much have all a strong idea of who Moses can be - Bree's Dad.
But what about the evil priest?
Then....
Bree's dad armed the evil priest???
it's even more confusing  |
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TehSpectre
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:25 am Post subject: |
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I am just saying that it could be the ultimate twist in the game.
Cassie doesn't want to "RIP"
RIP = Death
Cassie doesn't want to die.
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whisper
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| atomikbr wrote: | | baggage wrote: | | Quote: | | during the ceremony between bree and daniel |
But why would Daniel be at the ceremony? If her parents can't even go, why would Daniel go?? |
So, BREE LIES meant that she will be LYING on the altar, where this priest will kill her if nobody saves her. Daniel will try to save her and get involved in the ritual, and will need some extra help.
This is just my thought but it looks like it could be somehow right: a typical horror movie plot. |
Good call! Maybe we've been misinterpreting "Bree lies" this whole time? |
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chri360936
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| Cassie just logged into youtube. |
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toomuchtime
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm... I'm wondering about the first part.
Between the virgin and the beast
moses armed the evil priest
to stab me with his sword of hate
if help again will come too late.
I don't get why/how Cassie could be stabbed if she were already dead, and I think it's fairly obvious at this point that she is dead. Plus, like Nos said, why use "me" at one point and "Cassie" at another? Maybe "me" really is someone else....
The Moses thing is tripping me up, too. Bree's Dad doesn't know anything about the ceremony, so how could he be the one to arm the evil priest? Some things just aren't adding up here. Sorry to be a naysayer, but I don't want us to get too far off track with a wrong assumption. |
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boo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| Anduviel wrote: | Alright, we pretty much have all a strong idea of who Moses can be - Bree's Dad.
But what about the evil priest?
Then....
Bree's dad armed the evil priest???
it's even more confusing |
"Arms" the priest in that he is offering his daughter up to the religion for this ceremony. |
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espions
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| Anduviel wrote: | Alright, we pretty much have all a strong idea of who Moses can be - Bree's Dad.
But what about the evil priest?
Then....
Bree's dad armed the evil priest???
it's even more confusing |
I think it may just refer to whomever performs the ceremony. Cassie's poem is obviously relying a lot on biblical references and priest is a catholic term. I think she uses the phrase "evil priest" to create a parallel between bree's religion and catholicism to put it in perspective, perhaps. I don't know how much of my assumptions are grasping at straws though, so I'd be stoked on hearing other theories. |
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Kasdeja
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| espions wrote: | | dlruss0216 wrote: | \
Could they be synonyms, i.e. Moses and Father? Was Moses a father? Sorry, religiously ignorant here.
EDIT - TecSpectre - I swear I typed this before reading your post...lol. You're just a faster typer |
I think he is generally revered as a figurative patriarch in that he lead the slaves out of egypt and was essentially the father figure for the whole horde of them. He was the one who served as the messenger when God handed down the 10 commandments, so in a figurate sense, Bree's father does have a parallel. He "always" does the bibliomancy so he's obviously revered in some respect amongst those who worship with them, and he's the primary authority in Bree's life, handing down the rules for the ceremony. Again this may be grasping at straws, but it does make sense to me. 10 years of Catholic Schooling has yet yet to prove useful for me, so who knows if this time it will. |
Catholic school inclines me to say you are completely correct, here. |
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