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Plot speculation: Free will vs. DESTINY

I wish I knew where to put random stuff like this rather than the occasional talk page.

I have a theory about LG15, the real status of Bree, and an explanation for many of the recent plot developments. Oddly enough, I got the idea from Immant, and it also serves well to explain a lot of the odd goings-on in itscassie.

Because of all the Thelemic elements in the series, there's a tendency to focus on the idea of free will. In fact, of course, the series itself has commented on it quite a bit. Thelema is a religion that is built on the very concept of Free Will, correct? But Gemma claims (and this is one thing I am inclined to believe from her very strongly) that The Order is not Thelema. I think the Order is virtually the antithesis of Thelema. Rather than encouraging individual members to assert their free will and individuality, they are constantly told what to do.

I think this goes deeper than the idea of merely a cult controlling its members; I think the Order truly believes that their function is to act in the interest of advancing the cause of fatalism. Bree is told that she cannot refuse to do the cermony, but nobody is punished for suggesting that she might not go through with it. Bree escapes from the Order, but despite occasional opportunities to get her back, they merely stand by and watch her movements. In the spinoffs, although probably coincidence, Immant talks about how there is intra-Order tension between factions, but neither faction is willing to outwardly attack the other. Meanwhile (its)Cassie is being held by the Order for an unknown purpose, but in an unlocked, unguarded room with full Internet access. What's going on?

The Order sees no need to be overzealous in pushing their agenda, because whatever purpose Bree (and Cassie?) is meant to fulfill, IT SIMPLY IS HER DESTINY! They're convinced that when they really need to get Bree back, they will, because it could be no ther way. They are in general perfectly content to wait for the plot to unfold before their watching eyes, and only step in at the appointed time. Bree is perfectly safe until they want her; at which time, they will come and get her. And then who knows? --Brucker 11:18, 23 January 2007 (CST)

Interesting theory, Brucker. Have you thought about taking it to the forum? You'd probably get more feedback there *shrugs* just a thought. Thing is, Miles himself has said itscassie is independent from lg15, so unless its already figured out your theory and is writing accordingly, there's no need for the parallels you pointed out (true as they may be). Same with Immant. Hmmm, unless this were another case of crossover? Hm, I dunno, I was never so great at reading into things--that's why I stick to documenting things here. In any case, I wish the Creators took note of this and your plot holes article. I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but the writing really needs to pull itself together! OwenIsCool 15:29, 23 January 2007 (CST)
Well, I include the itscassie and immant stuff because that's where I got the idea from, really. Immant has discussed it, and Cassie is experiencing it first hand. It just occurred to me that it makes sense for the main series as well. I mean, I don't go to the furums too often, so there may be something there I've missed, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me as far as why they didn't take Bree goes. --Brucker 18:10, 23 January 2007 (CST)