Talk:Subjects Apprehended

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Psmith 19:39, 26 March 2007 (CDT)


Has anyone tried taking a recording of the sounds heard and speeding them up to try and get something? Or reversing it? -MHBus

The chirping is a slowed sparrows song. I also have isolated the "Jonas"s.


There is no discription of the video. I.E. If I wanted to understand the video without actually watching it, I would have no idea what happened except that Bree gasped and said "Jonas?". Also, was Daniel really captured? After all, he's considered chop liver to the order. In Miss Me? they mock him and say that Bree has "A stronger mind". Plus, you don't see him being captured, like you do Jonas and Bree.--juniemoon

Feel free to add a description in the transcript. Probably just no one has gotten around to it yet or doesn't know how to describe it.--Jonpro 12:34, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
Well, I listened to it a couple times and I never heard "Jonas" like people here at the LGpedia claim. I'm guess that, like you say Jonpro, that people don't know quite how to describe it. -MHBus
Okay, I attempted a transcript, but that sort of thing isn't really my thing. If someone could improve it, that'd be great.--Jonpro 18:33, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
Done. Psmith 20:23, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, dude. It looks great.--Jonpro 21:15, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

Template discussion / Who is the blogger?

Ahh, time to bring up the discussion again. First of all, I don't think Aphid includes the capability for a cast, probably because there never was one before (exception:Miss Me?). I'm wondering if we should expand the template to include it. Also, what about credits and categories? Should we start treating OpAphid videos like regular LG15 videos (maybe by using Blog4 with OpAphid as the blogger or something). I'm not sure what's best; just wanted to open up the discussion.--Jonpro 19:06, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

I think the problem is a different one - is this an OpAphid video at all? The description clearly says "The Order", and it has no similarity to a previous OpAphid video. While this could, of course, be due to Glenn being replaced, it might as well mean that this is a video from the Order, as opposed to videos by OpAphid. (Meaning we'd have to add "Order" to Init and create an "order" blog template.)
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 20:11, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
I don't think this is an OpAphid video. It isn't labeled OpAphid. Listing it as such without any proof is wrong. I think it should be treated like a regular LG15 video, only with "The Order" listed as the blogger, or even "unknown" as blogger. I agree there should be a "Order" blog template. Sappho 20:45, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
I think we need to establish what the relationship is between OpAphid and the Order. Daniel was Clearly being held by the Order when the Miss me video was made, But they style of the video was clearly OpAhid style. this video had a different style but not so different as to exclude the possiblilty that it was OpAphid. But I think that Both this video and Miss Me should have Blog4 templates, and the OpAphid template should be reserved for videos that are part of the ARG. Misty 22:26, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
There is no way this is an OpAphid video. Every single OpAphid video that has been posted has been spooky and has had a lot of cut and paste action. This one has none of the hallmarks of her videos. It is a straight up Order video. I think the OP should be changed to ORD. Just my 2 cents. --Guest
every other OpAphid video was made by Glenn Rubenstein. Maybe this wasn't, thats why the style is different. or maybe its because this is a private video just for order memebers, and the OpAphid video style was directed at a different audience. Misty
You're missing something there, Misty: Miss Me has the eye logo intro, the overbright style, the distorted audio, reverse audio, and, most importantly, the outro crediting it to OpAphid. It is very clearly an OpAphid video.
Subjects Apprehended has nothing of that, and isn't even credited to OpAphid in the description. I'd say all signs are pointing at Miss Me being from OpAphid, and Subjects Apprehended being from "The Order", whichever faction of them calls themselves that. (As people pointed out in the forums, it might as well be the reformed people of the Order, e.g. Jonas's parents.)
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 08:13, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
no I wasn't missing that, I was saying there are other explanations than this not being an OpAphid video. If OpAphid was making a private report, do you think it would look like the public vlogs? the purpose is different so the style is different. I'm not saying that this is absolutely an OpAphid video, but I don't think you can say this is absolutely not one -Misty 18:17, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
"This is absolutely not an OpAphid video." :P
Thing is, when broadcasting in public, the group identifies themselves as "OpAphid", which, apparently, is part of the Order. Now, since this is a private message, we can assume it goes to no one else but their own people, right? So why would they identify as a subgroup of the Order in all public, but as soon as they're sending internal, where it is a given that the sender is part of the Order, and knowing the subgroup would be important, they switch to the meaningless "The Order"?
If this message was really from OpAphid, then there'd be no reason whats-o-ever not say so. Especially in private conversation, where there is nothing to hide.
There is no logical reason why all public videos of OpAphid would have "OpAphid" written all over them, but as soon as they're among their own, they pretend to not exist (while, at the same time, reporting success). It is way, way, way more probable that this is simply a video from another subgroup of the Order, the Resistance, or the Order as a whole.
~ Renegade (talk | contribs) 19:48, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
maybe "faction:the order" is who the video is for, not who sent it. Misty 21:57, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
Or the Creators f*cked up. Majorly. :D

If you want to be correct you would have better chances if this were listed as an order video. You have no solid proof to say otherwise. Let us say we find out that Op Aphid did this video or the Watchers alone. We would still be correct. If you label it otherwise and are proven wrong the information was wrong the entire time. -GiddeanX

I think we're mixing up the debate of several different issues. We would probably be better off separating them. My general feeling is that we don't know enough to make any definite judgment calls yet. As we learn more about this possibly new blogger and about how these private transmissions are going to work, we can adjust our templates. If we start making changes now though, we'll likely have to revert (after all, we're not psychic). The way I see it these are the questions we have (feel free to leave a note if you think I missed something)
  1. Who is the blogger? OpAphid, the Order as a whole, some other faction? I tend to believe this is not a straight-up OpAphid video, but in truth none of us can be sure who it was.
  2. Who was it intended for? Orderites, or maybe no one at all, like a diary entry? (the creators also mentioned that possibility when they brought up the idea of the private transmissions.) I tend to believe it was just private, a way to let viewers know what happened without someone blogging about it. Like they said, it requires suspension of disbelief (yeah, just when I was running all out). Like the above, though, how can anyone be certain?
  3. If the blogger is OpAphid, should we use the Op template? If it's "the Order", should we use a new template? My opinion is that we should modify the Op template to allow a cast, and use it if we determine this video to be from OpAphid. If it's from someone else, we should probably hold our horses and continue to use blog4 since it can support this blogger without any technical issues. After all, Bree, Daniel, Jonas and Gemma videos all use blog4. Op and Tachy have their own templates because they used to be separate storylines which eventually merged with the main story. Such is not the case with this new blogger (if they are new at all).
  4. What IS OpAphid after all? Fortunately I do have the answer to this one. I can't find the link right now, but ARG players generally accept "the Order" to work like so:
  1. The Order - overarching organization
  2. OpAphid - a branch of the Order, the enforcement arm
  3. The Order of Denderah - the "entry level" of the Order, where people join as if they were joining a religion
I hope I was able to help somewhat. We're missing a lot of information that would clear up these issues, but time will probably sort things out.
OwenIsCool 00:25, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
I took "The Order" as short for "The Order of Denderah". This is exactly why it should be labeled as it is. If it turns out to be OpAphid it is still Order. If its not its still Order. Safer until we get more info. -Giddeanx
I found this forum post from the Creators saying that the video was uploaded by a member of the Order. They didn't say OpAphid or name any other specific faction. Whoever it is, it's not OpAphid or the Creators would have named them as such. OwenIsCool 09:11, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

Will there be anymore?

Is this the ending to the LG15 series? Or will they escape from the Order's evil clutches?

Of course there will be more...

I don't know...they'll probably continue, seeing how far they've dragged it on already. they never seemed to actually be planning an end to the plot - whenever one thing is resolved, another pops up.
on the other hand, it would be interesting to end it here - they have to end it some time, and it's kind of cool and sophisticated if you know what i mean to end it unconventionally with the order triumphing.
but i doubt they'll do it.-- 21:40, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
I just listened to the Creators on Mixed Media and they said this is not the end. They intend to go on for many years "like General Hospital."Sappho 00:42, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
I wonder if the actors would really still be wanting to play these roles at 60 years of age. Hahahh, it's doubtful.

My question is: How are the going to continue this when all three have been captured and the Order has a tendency to brainwash people? I think someone outside, maybe even Alex or Gemma turns on the order or something. Then again, maybe I'm just being the crazy conspiracy theorist. But still, I have my fingers crossed that Gemma makes a comeback. ~~Katy-Katt.

I think that SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY, Tachyon'll find out about this even though it's a private transmission. I doubt Gemma will make a comeback considering that Jackie Jandrell is busy with school and doesn't have time to devote to LG15. Alex... perhaps. Maybe Alex will turn against the Order because she doesn't like the fact that they kidnapped her nephew... --silverBULLET(x3) - 15:30, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
Even though the transmission is private, who says there won't be turnover from within? Tachyon infiltrated (I in APHID, anyone?) but perhaps an Ophead gets "converted" ("hindering" the purposes of the Order). --Nieriel.Manwathiel

Hmm. You're right, I didn't think of Tachyon. ~~Katy-Katt


I was just reading Tidbits newspaper and they had just said "A common scene in many mystery movies is the 'knock out an unsuspecting victim by holding a rag full of chloroform over their face' trick. Would this tactic work in real life? Probably not. First of all, chloroform begins to lose its effectiveness as soon as it mixes with oxygen (and some of those villains spend a long time lurking in the shadows with their rags poised). Secondly, chloroform doesn't instantly knock a person unconscious; depending upon the victim's size and weight, the chemical could tkae up to 10 minutes to subdue someone."
Just thought I'd share. :D Chelseyrl 23:10, 24 April 2007 (CDT)