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In Playing Doctor (Dec. 3, 2007), Jonas stated that he wanted people's thoughts on how to bring the Order down, and wanted to talk on the phone will people about it. On December 13, 2007, at 7pm PST, Jonas conducted a conference call with fans.

It was revealed during the call that Emma had been receiving double-doses of the serum to turn her trait negative from her parents, which was making her sick.

Jonas also mentioned that he wanted to concentrate on bringing down the lullaby project at the moment. That this was probably the weakest link, and that he wanted to start fighting the Order in the form of the lullaby project.

We also learned that Charlie of KateModern had been in contact with Jonas.

The call ended after Virgil somehow hacked into the call.

The audio of the conference call was made available on the forum two days after the call: Forum thread with download link

Transcript

Jonas: Oh, I'm--Definitely. Here's a shout-out. To everyone who's doing this, I really appreciate everybody's help who's on chat. Who's calling in. Um, you guys are awesome. And uh--

Broken Kid: So, on that note, why don't we get started? I think hopefulsemblance had the first question we're going to ask you, Jonas, about finding some altered trait-positives.

hopefulsemblance: Thanks, BK. Hey, Jonas, how are you?

Jonas: Hey, what's going on?

hopefulsemblance: Um, how are you guys planning on finding and treating the altered trait-positives? And is there anything that we can do to help?

Jonas: Well, I mean as far as we know, I guess, I don't think there's any other living altered trait-positives that are out there. You know what I mean, I mean Gina was really the only one that Dr. Hart had ever known that lived to that close to being an adult. Um, but, I guess, if they were out there, if there were any, I mean we'd want to help them. Absolutely. But I think too this is kind of limited in a way. You know what I mean. Trying to save just one girl at a time I think is the best thing to do. You know, instead of doing that, we just want to shut down the Lullaby Project. We wanna close Verdus, um, and you know that's just the approach we're taking. If anyone has any better ideas, I mean that's what this is all about. I'd love to know. So I guess we don't know about any altered. It's also been our policy--we want to help people. But we really think the best way to do it is to take these people down. Hit 'em where it hurts, you know?

hopefulsemblance: Cool.

Jonas: Do you have any ideas though? Anything? That we could do differently?

hopefulsemblance: I can't really think of anything.

Jonas: Oh.

Broken Kid: You also had a question, hopeful, about the Ceremony girls, right?

hopefulsemblance: Yeah, Jonas. Like, have you guys just given up or is it on the back burner to rescue all the Ceremony girls?

Jonas: No, no, no. It's not on the back burner. Um, it's hard to put it--I guess I'll put it this way. We will help people when we find them, but we think that the best thing to do is to cut this off at the head. Um, I think going after Ceremony girls at this point might hurt them more than help them. Because I'm afraid that we might lead them, the Order I mean, we might lead the Order to these girls accidentally. That's just our fear. I mean, we haven't had much luck with that in the past, so....

hopefulsemblance: Right.

Jonas: You know, thanks, and I mean, what do you think? What do you think? Do you think that's a good idea? I mean, I don't know, it's frustrating to us because we want to go out there and we want and we want to find these girls, um, but it's a double-edged sword. I mean, I don't know what's right? The chicken or the egg? Are we bringing bad guys to these girls, or are we doing the right thing? (pauses) You know?

 ???: Hey Jonas, this is ???. I think that for the most part you guys are going about it pretty much the right way. Even if you find all these girls, how are you really going to protect them all from the Order? You remember how hard it was to keep Bree away from them, or Emma. How are you gonna do it when you have ten, fifteen, twenty girls under your skirts?

Jonas: Exactly, that's what I'm thinking too.

Broken Kid: Well, uh, Chipper (?), you had a question about, um, about Dr. Hart and Bree you were gonna ask.

Chippercat: Yeah, um, actually, according to the recorded call we had heard between Drew Avery and Isaac Gilman, Bree was only one injection away from being made permanently trait negative. But she never developed any of the same symptoms or the illnesses as Emma and the other girls. So, I'm just curious. You guys have Drew Avery's notes from the Camp Play box, and the box that you guys found at the boat dock. Have you all shared any of these research notes with Dr. Hart and, if so, what are his thoughts on the subject?

Jonas: Well, we have. I mean, that's a really good question, um, first of all. And we have. Um, it's difficult to talk about right now because, again, I'm not sure how secure everything is here. But, and again it's hard for me as well because I don't speak doctor-talk. It's really hard for me. (laughing) Uh, but here's what I remember. And here's what I got from it. That, um, that I guess Emma was given these injections right, and I guess she was given double-dosage. Which Bree was only getting from her dad, who knew what he was doing, was giving a smaller amount--the right level of the dosage. And so, because Emma was getting a double-dosage to begin with and her parents didn't really know what they were doing, I think--I suspect anyway--that they were giving her more of the shots than she was supposed to get because they wanted to hurry up to get her to be trait negative. Um, so that was why she went through those--the sickness and she had the--yeah, she went through the series of injections twice. So, that's why she was sick and Bree wasn't.

Chippercat: Okay, so it wasn't just...

Jonas: It's hard for me to do the science talk, but that's what I got out of what he said. And as far as if we've shared the information with Dr. Hart, um, yeah, of course we have. Cause he's our go-to guy right now. He's all we really have, and we--we trust him. At first it was like we had to trust him, but now I really--I trust him. And why wouldn't we share everything we have with this guy? That's all we have.

ChC: right absolutely now I think there was a lot of confusion you know people didn't understand because we had heard [that] the other girls who were manufactured trait positive and as they turned trait negative they showed these symptoms so we thought it had something to do with the changing from one trait to the next so that that clears up a lot. Thank you very much

Jonas: yeah and I guess that does have something to do with it uh it it but mainly the reason with the difference is because the doseage because people giving her dosage didn't know what they were doing um I guess and that's I hope I explained that well enough cause I know these the technical stuff like I said i'm not a scientist or anything but that's an awesome question thank you um I appreciate it

ChC: You did great. Thank you.

Broken Kid: that actually leads really great into a question that pmunkeygetsfunky asked and I don't know if she's gotten on yet. PMGF, are you there? [pause]

Jonas: P. monkey?

Broken Kid: Okay, I think I may have messed up when sending her I may have misspelled her user name when I sent out that last second email um but I know I know what her question was. she wanted to ask about, you know you mentioned that you guys trust dr hart and she was saying basically why cause the last time somebody was trying to uh help Emma she almost got killed you know so why do you guys trust dr hart?

Jonas: no I know and trust me I've I've had my doubts myself I've second-guessed I mean you know my track record with this sort of thing um but the thing I'm keeping in mind here is that I trust him, a, and b I'm not letting her out of my sight I learned my lesson the last time with the Claire thing I am not letting her out of my sight

Broken Kid: good

J but also

Chershaytoute: good boy, Jonas

Jonas: yeah I at least I learned I make my mistakes but I learn um but here's the kicker and here's the thing that really makes me trust the guy is that Emma trusts him and that Emma never trusted Claire and I should have listened to her because the girl has *really* good instincts and when it comes to this stuff um and I think that if you wanna come hurt her he could have he's had his chances he could have done it at the Verdus lab uh but instead um he didn't he got us he helped us and he got us out of there safely and also the guy's given up his whole career to help us and I mean I just feel like I think we owe him our trust at this point I think that he's proven he's done more than anyone could possibly do to prove his worthiness at least in my eyes. I mean what do you think I mean um I trust him so but I also but on the other had I also think that everyone should keep their eyes out because we're lost without you guys everybody should watch this guy and if you see anything funny at all I mean on any level if this guy's not not what you think he should be or suspicious I mean you guys need to let us know that and and on the forum or however we can communicate what do you think do you guys do you trust him

ChC: he seems trustworthy to me

Jonas: you think so

ChC: [so far] so far so good

[unintelligible]

Jonas: allright i've been wrong before and I just [laugh] you know I'm just going as we go here day by day making this up as we go so I think

Chershaytoute: I think the day-by-day

Jonas: what was that?

Chershaytoute: I think the day-by-day idea is a good one

Jonas: Yeah

ChC: [?]

Jonas: yeah I think it's important to [] cause I have a problem with trusting people really, uh I've either not trusted the right person or trusted the right wrong person you know what I mean I've I just I'm constantly trusting the wrong person so I uh need your help

ChC: []

Broken Kid: so I think you talked about Dr. Hart a little bit and uh you know trusting him uh justanotherlonelygirl is going to ask what do you think about him and Bree

JALG: Yeah, uh, hi this is JALGum but actually you can call me Loretta if you want um yeah um well my question is actually resembles a lot what um someone said before I forget who about Bree and about how um how when she was turning trait negative she didn't exhibit any of the symptoms um I didn't totally understand how you explained why can you just re-explain that

Jonas: okay she didn't show the symptoms and again this is the best of my understanding I could be wrong but she didn't show the symptoms because her dad knew what he was doing when he gave her the T- injedtions he gave em to her slow enough um in a low enough dosage that it didn't have an ill effect on her almost like an overdose emma was given way too much she went through it twice she went through two series of sets of of shots and not only that when she was given to my parents under their care we think that they gave her way too much of a dosage because they wanted to essentially hurry up to get her T-

JALG: um okay

Jonas: does that make sense?

JALG: yeah that does um have you talked to Dr Hart about um Bree's dad though I mean he knew Dr. Gillman did he know her dad at all

Jonas: I'm sorry I didn't hear that what was that?

JALG: um Dr. Hart said that he worked under Dr. Gillman right

Jonas: yeah

JALG: so and Dr. Gillman knew Bree's father did Dr. Hart ever run into him?

Jonas: No as far as I-I have asked him that and he said no, I think, um, I'm pretty sure

JALG: ok um well basically my question is a lot like um the other person before uh the first I really I really think that we should go back and review what was done differently with Bree which obviously had to do with the dosage

Jonas: right

JALG: but another thing is uh two other things she was on iron pills and I'm not sure exactly what that has to do with it cause I don't speak science either but um she was on iron pills and she was taking something like epogen or something right

Jonas: right yeah

JALG: so I don't know if Dr. Hart could look into that and maybe figure out if that had anything to do with cause I think that we need to find a way to make T+ girls T- cause obviously that would make them useless to the Order but we need to find a way to do it without hurting them

Jonas: yeah yeah yeah you know what actually I he has talked about that um he is looking into that um it's weird you said that because he is looking into that

JALG: yeah you have to do that and look back at the notebook from Bree's dad and also one other thing I had to ask was um the serum you've been giving Emma and that I don't know if you've been um keeping up with but there's an extension of the Order in the UK and um Spencer actually contacted a girl named Charlie in the UK and sent her some of the serum that he had left over and um I'm not sure if that serum is the same serum that had Bree's blood in it right

Jonas: uhhhhhh I think I think so

JALG: yeah cause I don't know if it would be possible to like separate it or anything but maybe Dr. Hart could also use that o kinda test Bree's blood and to find if there's something different about Bree's blood that was helping her cause obviously she never caught the illness so

Jonas: yeah no that's a great that's a great suggestion I'm definitely gonna look into that

JALG: yeah and maybe Spencer has some of that left over he could send to you also or something if you don't have cause obviously Emma's parents aren't going to be helpful [laugh] so yeah I think maybe

Jonas: I think that's a great idea yeah I think you're on to yeah I think you're on to something I think something like an avenue we need to check out

JALG: Thank you

Broken Kid: So I think EricaRocks has a question too about I'm sorry I'm just gonna kinda keep things glowing here I know Jonas doesn't have a lot of time You wanted to talk a little about they're uh what they're doing right now

ER: My question is - this is erica rocks - my question is kinda general uh more like why is everyone staying in the same place aren't you worried that maybe the Order might find out where you are I mean Sonia found out where you were anyone can find you

Jonas: yeah, no no that's that's a I mean great point but then I thought abut a lot especially recently um and I'm thinking about talking to doc about it ium Dr. Hart um you know I think that I don't know I think that I how do I put this we've got something in the works right now something that we're planning and I can't really talk about it yet um but I think you're right I think you're absolutely right we should probably think about splitting up and maybe going underground for awhile you know cause it's just too dangerous to stay I mean we have to learn from the past right

ER: right and the []aren't always the fun

Jonas: what's that?

ER: the running's not always the fun thing

Jonas: no, I know it's not but sometimes I guess it's necessary

ER: but maybe you know just moving around a little

Jonas: yeah I wish we could just find a permanent place to hide where they wouldn't find us you know it'd make things easier

Broken Kid: I think to that point too Harmony had a question about you know your guys' biggest concern

Jonas: What's our biggest concern?

H: Basically I'm just wondering what like what do you tink is pretty much your biggest threat I mean without the Order I mean in that regard what's your biggest opportunity to get to them like what's their weakest point and what's their biggest threat to you as well

Jonas: well yeah uh I I think the thing that's most important to me is the thing I'm most worried about is is Emma you know she's family um and now especially now because [ ] T+ they could really come after her at any time um so that makes me nervous so that's always going to be my number one uh thing is just to keep her safe

H: for sure

Jonas: but in terms of the big picture I mean that's what you're talking about the bit picture the Order I think me personally and correct me I mean if you don't agree with this that's the reason that we're here to tell me but I think that any time the Order has a public face we should smear dirt on it you know what I'm saying

H: Yeah!

Jonas: Like Verdus like the lullaby project all these all these fronts that they have um because they're operating in total secret nobody knows about them nobody believes that they're controlling things except for us which is frustrating you know I mean it's so obvious nobody believes us which is why I think that we should stay focuses on on taking those people down right now. the lullaby project, Verdus, you know, hit them where it hurts thats that

H: the thing is though is it's one big organization like three different faces and I mean you have to concentrate your efforts on one thing at a time [ ] [ ] if you try to shut one thing and it you try to shut one thing down at a time right it will in that sense what will be the weakest point is it Verdus? the Wyman foundation? the Hymn of One? Or the lullaby project in specific?

Jonas: I personally think the lullaby project and Verdus. I think that's their weak point right now. And I that's what I want to go after.

Notes

• The conference call had the ability to handle 150 callers. Twelve callers were picked in advance by Jonas to be able to speak on the conference call, to avoid complete pandemonium. It is not known whether one of those twelve callers betrayed Jonas and gave their calling information to Virgil.
• The 12 callers were Hopefulsemblance, Chippercat, PMonkeygetsfunky, Justanotherlonelygirl,Ericarocks,livelovelaugh,HeartsofSorrow,Chershaytoute,caalan21,Mowse,Jafin,?