Jonas Conference Call

getliacel In Playing Doctor (Dec. 3, 2007), Jonas stated that he wanted people's thoughts on how to bring the Order down, and wanted to talk on the phone will people about it. On December 13, 2007, at 7pm PST, Jonas conducted a conference call with fans.

It was revealed during the call that Emma had been receiving double-doses of the serum to turn her trait negative from her parents, which was making her sick.

Jonas also mentioned that he wanted to concentrate on bringing down the Lullaby Project at the moment. That this was probably the weakest link, and that he wanted to start fighting the Order in the form of the Lullaby Project.

We also learned that Charlie of KateModern had been in contact with Jonas.

The call ended after Virgil somehow hacked into the call.

The audio of the conference call was made available on the forum two days after the call: Forum thread with download link

Transcript

Jonas: Oh, I'm--Definitely. Here's a shout-out to everyone who's doing this. I-I really appreciate everybody's help who's on chat, who's calling in. Um, you guys are awesome. And uh--

Broken Kid: So--On that note, why don't we, uh, why don't we get started? Uh...I think hopefulsemblance had the-the first question we're going to ask you, Jonas, about, um, finding some-some altered trait-positives.

hopefulsemblance: Thanks, BK. Um, hey, Jonas, how are you?

Jonas: Hey, what's going on?

hopefulsemblance: Um, how are you guys planning on finding and treating the altered trait-positives? And is there anything that we can do to help?

Jonas: Well, I mean as-as far as we know, I guess, um, I don't think there's any other living altered trait-positives that are out there. You know what I mean? I mean, Gina was really the only one that Dr. Hart had ever known that lived to be that close to being an adult. Um, but, I guess, you know, if-if they were out there, if there were any, I mean we'd want to help them. Absolutely. But I think too-I think too this is kind of limited in a way. You know what I mean? Because trying to save just one girl at a time I think is the best thing to do. You know, in-instead of doing that, we just want to shut down the Lullaby Project. We wanna close Verdus, um, and you know that's just the approach we're taking. If anyone has any better ideas, I mean that's what this is all about. I'd love to know. So, I guess-I guess we don't know about any, uh, altered. It's also been our policy--we want to help people. But we really think the best way to do it is to take these people down. Hit 'em where it hurts, you know?

hopefulsemblance: Cool.

Jonas: Do you have any ideas though? Anything? That we could do differently?

hopefulsemblance: I can't really think of anything.

Jonas: Oh.

Broken Kid: You-you also had a question, hopeful, about, uh, the Ceremony girls, right?

hopefulsemblance: Yeah, Jonas. Like, have you guys just given up or is it on the back burner to rescue all the Ceremony girls?

Jonas: No, no, no, no. It's not on the back burner. Um, it's hard to put it--I guess I'll put it this way. We will help people when we find them, but we think that the best thing to do is to cut this off at the head. Um, I think going after Ceremony girls at this point might-might hurt them more than help them. Because I'm afraid that we might lead them, the Order I mean, we might lead the Order to these girls accidentally. That's just our fear. I mean, we haven't had much luck with that in the past, so....

hopefulsemblance: Right.

Jonas: You know, thanks, and I mean, what do you think? What do you think? Do you think that's a good idea? I mean, I don't know, it's frustrating to us because we want to go out there and we want and we want to find these girls, um, but it's a double-edged sword. I mean, I don't know what's right? The chicken or the egg? Are we bringing bad guys to these girls, or are we doing the right thing? (pauses) You know?

caalan21: Hey Jonas, this is caalan. I think that for the most part you guys are going about it pretty much the right way. Even if you find all these girls, how are you really going to protect them all from the Order? You remember how hard it was to keep Bree away from them, or Emma. How are you gonna do it when you have ten, fifteen, twenty girls under your skirts?

Jonas: Exactly, that's what I'm thinking too.

Broken Kid: Well, uh, Chipper, you had a question about, um, about Dr. Hart and, uh, Bree you were gonna ask.

Chippercat: Yeah, um, actually, according to the recorded call we had heard between Drew Avery and Isaac Gilman, Bree was only one injection away from being made permanently trait negative. But she never developed any of the same symptoms or the illnesses as Emma and the other girls. So, I'm just curious. You guys have Drew Avery's notes from the Camp Play box, and the box that you guys found at the boat dock. Have you all shared any of these research notes with Dr. Hart and, if so, what are his thoughts on it?

Jonas: Well, we have. I mean, that's a really good question, um, first of all. And we have. Um, it's difficult to talk about right now because, again, I'm not sure how secure everything is here. Uh, but, and again it's hard for me as well because I don't speak doctor-talk. It's really hard for me. (laughing) Uh, but here's what I remember. And here's what I got from it. That, um, that I guess Emma was given these-these injections right, and I guess she was given double-dosage. Which Bree was only getting from her dad, who knew what he was doing, was giving a smaller amount--the right level of the dosage. Im, and so, because Emma was getting a double-dosage to begin with and her parents didn't really know what they were doing, I think--I suspect anyway--that they were giving her more of the shots than she was supposed to get because they wanted to hurry up to get her to be trait negative. Um, so-so that was why she went through those--the sickness and she had the--yeah, she went through the series of injections twice. So, that's why she was sick and Bree wasn't.

Chippercat: Okay, so it wasn't just...

Jonas: It's hard for me to do the science talk, but that's what I got out of what he said. And-and as far as if we've shared the information with Dr. Hart, um, yeah, of course we have. Cause he's our go-to guy right now. He's all we really have, and we-we trust him. At first it was like we had to trust him, but now I really--I trust him. And why wouldn't we share everything we have with this guy? That's all we have.

Chippercat: Right. Absolutely. Now, I think there was a lot of confusion. You know, people didn't understand because we had heard [that] the other girls who were manufactured trait positive and as they turned trait negative they showed these symptoms. So, we thought it had something to do with just the changing from one trait to the next. So, that-that clears up a lot. Thank you very much.

Jonas: Yeah. And, I guess that does have something to-to do with it. Uh, it-it--But-but, mainly, the reason with the difference is just because of the dosage. Like the people giving Emma her dosage didn't know what they were doing, um, I guess. And that's what--I hope I explained that well enough, 'cause I know these-the technical stuff, like I said: not my thing. But, um, that's an awesome question. Thank you. Um, I appreciate it.

Chippercat: You did great. Thank you.

Broken Kid: That actually leads really well into, uh, a question that P.MONKEYgetsFUNKY had. And I don't know if she's gotten on yet. P.MONKEY, are you there?

(pause)

Jonas: P.MONKEY?

Broken Kid: Okay, I think I may have messed up when sending her--I may have misspelled her user name when I sent out that last second email. Um, but I know-I know what her question was. She wanted to ask about...You know you mentioned that you guys trust Dr. Hart. And she was basically saying, "why?" 'Cause, the last time somebody was trying to, uh, to help Emma, she almost got killed. You know? So, why do you guys trust Dr. Hart?

Jonas: No. I know and trust me: I've-I've had my doubts myself. I've second-guessed. I mean, you know my track record with this sort of thing. Um, but the thing I'm keeping in mind here is that I trust him, a. And, b, I'm not letting her out of my sight. I learned my lesson the last time with the Claire-thing. I-I am not letting her out of my sight.

Broken Kid: Good.

Jonas: But, also--

Chershaytoute: Good boy, Jonas.

Jonas: Yeah. I-at least I learned. I make my mistakes, but I learn. Um, but here's the kicker and here's the thing that really makes me trust this guy: is that Emma trusts him (children cry) ...huh. And Emma never trusted Claire. And I should have listened to her because the girl has really good instincts when it comes to this stuff. Um, and I think that if he'd had wanted to hurt her, I think he could have--he's had his chances. He could have done it at the Verdus lab. Uh, but instead, um, he didn't. He got us--he helped us and, uh, he got us out of there safely. And also: the guy's given up his whole career to help us. And, uh, I just feel like I think we owe him our trust at this point. I think that he's proven--he's done more than anyone could possibly do to prove his worthiness, at least in my eyes. What do you think? I mean, um, I-I trust him. But I also--on the other hand, I also think that everyone should keep their eyes out because we're lost without you guys. Everybody should watch this guy and if you see anything funny--at all, I mean, on any level. If this guy's not-not what you think he should be, or if he's suspicious, I mean, you guys need to let us know that and-and, you know, on the forum or however we can communicate. What do you think? Do you guys-do you trust him?

Chippercat: He seems trustworthy to me.

Jonas: You think so?

Chippercat: So far. So far, so good.

caalan21: Too many-too many--

Jonas: Alright. I've been wrong before and I just... (laugh) You know? I'm just going as we go here. Day by day. Making this up as we go. So, I think--

Chershaytoute: I think the day-by-day. That's good.

Jonas: What was that?

Chershaytoute: I think the day-by-day idea is a good one.

Jonas: Yeah

Chershaytoute: Little bits at a time... and being watchful.

Jonas: Yeah, I think it's important to... 'Cause I have a problem with trusting people. Really, uh, I've either not trusted the right person or trusted the right-the wrong person. You know what I mean? I've-I just-I'm constantly trusting the wrong person. So, uh, I need your help.

Broken Kid: So, I think, you know, you talked about Dr. Hart a little bit and, uh, you know, trusting him. Uh, JustAnotherLonelyGirl is going to ask what do you think about him-about him and Bree.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl: Yeah, uh, hi this is JustAnotherLonelyGirl. Um, but, actually, you can call me Loretta if you want. Um, yeah. Um, well, my question actually resembles a lot what, um, someone said before--I forget who--about Bree and about how, um, how when she was turning trait negative she didn't exhibit any of the symptoms. Um, I didn't totally understand how you explained. Why? Can you just re-explain that?

Jonas: Okay. She didn't show the symptoms and--again: this is to the best of my understanding. I could be wrong. But, she didn't show the symptoms because her dad knew what he was doing when he gave her the trait negative injections. He gave 'em to her slow enough, um, in a low enough dosage that it didn't have an ill effect on her. Almost like an overdose. Like, Emma was given way too much. She went through it twice. She went through two series of sets of-of shots. And not only that. When she was given to my parents, under their care, we think that they gave her way too much of a dosage because they wanted to essentially hurry up to get her trait negative.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl: Um, okay. Alright, that clears a lot--

Jonas: Does that make sense?

JustAnotherLonelyGirl: Yeah, that does. Um, have you talked to Dr Hart about, um, Bree's dad though? I mean, he knew Dr. Gillman. Did he know her dad at all?

Jonas: I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. What was that?

JustAnotherLonelyGirl: Um, Dr. Hart said that he worked under Dr. Gillman. Right?

Jonas: Yeah.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl: So--and Dr. Gillman knew Bree's father. Did, um, Dr. Hart ever run into him?

Jonas: No, as far as I-I have asked him that and he said no, I think. U, I'm pretty sure.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl: Okay. Um, well, basically, my question is a lot like, um, the other person before. Uh, first of all, I really-I really think that we should go back and review what was done differently with Bree. Which obviously had to do with the dosage.

Jonas: Right.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl: But, another thing is--uh, two other things. She was on iron pills. And I'm not sure exactly what that has to do with it, 'cause I don't speak science either, but, um, she was on iron pills and she was taking something like epogen or something. Right?

Jonas: Right. Yeah.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl: So, I don't know if Dr. Hart could look into that and maybe figure out if that had anything to do with--'cause I think that we need to find a way to make trait positive girls trait negative, 'cause, obviously, that would make them useless to the Order. But we need to find a way to do it without hurting them.

Jonas: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? Actually I've-he has talked about that. Um, he is looking into that. Um, it's weird you said that because he is looking into that.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl: Yeah. I think you actually have to look into that and look back at the notebook from, um, from Bree's dad. And also, one other thing I had to ask was, um, the serum that you've been giving Emma and that--I don't know if you've been, um, keeping up with. But there's, like, an extension of the Order in the U.K. and, um, Spencer actually contacted a girl named Charlie in the U.K. and sent her some of the serum that he had left over. And, um, I'm not sure if that serum is the same serum that had Bree's blood in it. Right?

Jonas: Um... I think-I think so.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl: Yeah. 'Cause I don't know if it would be possible to, like, separate it or anything. But maybe Dr. Hart could also use that to kinda test Bree's blood and to find if there's something different about Bree's blood that was helping her. 'Cause obviously she never caught the illness. So...

Jonas: Yeah. No, that's a great-that's a great suggestion. I'm definitely gonna look into that.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl: Yeah. And maybe Spencer has some of that left over he could send to you also or something if you don't have. 'Cause obviously Emma's parents aren't going to be helpful. (laughs) So, um, yeah. I think maybe--

Jonas: I think that's a great idea. Yeah, I think you're on to-yeah, I think you're on to something. I think something like an avenue we definately need to check out.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl: Thank you.

Broken Kid: So, I think EricaRocks has a question too about--I'm sorry. I'm just gonna kinda keep things glowing here. I know Jonas doesn't have a lot of time. You wanted to talk a little about they're-uh, what they're doing right now.

EricaRocks: My question is--this is EricaRocks. My question is kinda general. Uh, more like why is everyone staying in the same place? Aren't you worried that maybe the Order might find out where you are? I mean, Sonia found out where you were. Anyone can find you.

Jonas: Yeah. No, no. That's a-that's a-I mean, great point. That's something I've thought a lot, especially recently. Um, and I'm thinking about talking to the doctor about it. Um, Dr. Hart--you know, I think that... I don't know. I think that... I-how do I put? We've got something in the works right now. Something that we're planning. And I can't really talk about it yet. Um, but I think you're right. I think-I think you're absolutely right. We should-we should probably think about splitting up and maybe going underground for awhile. You know?

ErikaRocks: Kay.

Jonas: 'Cause it's just too dangerous to stay. I mean, we have to learn from the past. Right?

EricaRocks: Right. And the runnings aren't always fun. (laughs)

Jonas: What's that?

EricaRocks: The running's not always the fun thing.

Jonas: No, I know. It's not, but sometimes, I guess, it's necessary.

EricaRocks: But, maybe, you know, just moving around a little.

Jonas: Yeah. I wish we could just find a permanent place to hide where they wouldn't find us. You know? It'd make things easier.

Broken Kid: I think to that point, too, harmony had a question about, you know, your guys' biggest concern.

Jonas: What-what's our biggest concern?

harmony99: Yeah. Basically I'm just wondering, like, what do you think is pretty much your biggest threat when it comes down to the Order, or in that regard. Also, what's your biggest opportunity to get to them. Like, what's their weakest point and what's their biggest threat to you as well?

Jonas: Well, yeah. Uh, I-I think the thing that's most important to me and the thing I'm most worried about is-is Emma. You know? She's family. Um, and now-especially now because she's gonna stay trait positive. They could-they could really come after her at any time. Um, so, that makes me nervous. So, that's always going to be my number one, uh, thing is just to keep her safe.

harmony99: For sure.

Jonas: But, in terms of the big picture, I mean, that's what you're talking about: the big picture--the Order. I think, me personally, and, correct me, I mean, if you don't agree with this-- this why we're here: to tell me. But, I think that any time the Order has a public face, we should smear dirt on it. You know what I'm saying?

harmony99: Yeah!

Jonas: Like Verdus, like the Lullaby Project. All these-all these-these fronts that they have. Um, because they're operating in total secret. Nobody knows about them; nobody believes that they're controlling things except for us. Which is frustrating. You know? I mean, it's so obvious. Nobody believes us. Which is why I think that we should stay focused on-on taking those people down right now. The Lullaby Project, Verdus. You know, hit them where it hurts. Thats that.

harmony99: Yeah. The thing is, though, is it's one big organization. Like, three different faces and, I mean, you have to concentrate your efforts on one thing at a time if you [try to shut down one of it's factions?] you're not going to be as effective as if you try to shut one thing and it-you try to shut one thing down at a time, right? So, in that sense what is their weakest point? Is it Verdus? Is it the Wyman foundation, or Hymn of One, or the Lullaby Project in specific?

Jonas: I personally think the Lullaby Project and Verdus. I think that's their weak point right now.

harmony99: Mhm.

Jonas: And I that's who I want to go after.

harmony99: Right.

Jonas: And I wish I could say more right now. But, um, but.

harmony99: You got something. (laughs)

Jonas: Yes. I-I think so. So, um, I really think that's their weak point. And, if we can bring one of those down-I think it's like the mother ship going down, you know? Everything just starts to crumble.

harmony99: Exactly.

Jonas: You know?

harmony99: Exactly.

Jonas: We just figure out who is right; we just go after one. We just focus our energy on one thing. It feels like-it feels like we're so pulled in so many different directions. You know? All these girls that are out there. Trait positive, trait negative, all these companies. It's overwhelming sometimes. You know?

harmony99: Yeah.

Jonas: You're absolutely right. Just go after one.

harmony99: Cool. So, I guess--

Broken Kid: You know, I think-I think--

(pause)

Jonas: Yeah, well--

harmony99: It's alright. I'm just saying, while you--

Jonas: Go ahead.

harmony99: Well, we're gonna have to focus more on trying to find more weaknesses for them. Because, as of yet, there hasn't been really anything that I can pinpoint saying, "Well, you know, this is somewhere we can infiltrate." You know what I mean?

Jonas: I couldn't hear that. I'm sorry.

harmony99: Oh, sorry! Is the mic breaking up or something? Or...?

Jonas: No, you're fine now. I think it was just my phone maybe.

harmony99: Uh, alright. Cool. I was just saying that so far we haven't really found a weakness for the Lullaby Project, I mean, that we can pinpoint to saying, "Well, you know, this is where we can infiltrate." And it seems like we need to do research more and find a way to get in and get some more info. Whether Sarah can do that or not. Sort of a... big concern

Jonas: Well, yeah. The Sarah thing is a big concern. Um, but I feel like...I feel like we have some things in the works that I can't really, uh, that I can't really say right now, because it's not firmed up. But I feel like-- But I see a crack in the wall. Uh, I'm really [[[something]]], trust me.

harmony99: Uh, okay. Thank you.

Broken Kid: Uh, I think that, uh, HeartofSorrow wanted to talk to you a little bit about your, uh, techniques of your-your stealth and infiltrations.

(laughter)

Jonas: Oh, boy. Yeah, my skills, huh?

HeartofSorrow: Well, it's more like, uh...when you all went to go after Emma when the--those, um, LaRezisto people had her; it's like you guys were staying out too much in the open.

Jonas: Mmhmm.

HeartofSorrow: I mean, from the video that I saw, before y'all brought Emma to get out, it was like there was a glass window that you could see in the kitchen and...

Jonas: Yeah.

HeartofSorrow: It was like, right there, he might've passed by and y'all would've been seen and when y'all went into the foyer, it--it was like, one whole--like, one, two sides of it had glass windows seeing right into it and y'all are basically out in the open. (pause) And I was thinking, like, "Darn, guys, you gotta...get outside. Cuz if-- (laughs) they see you, they're gonna come after you." And--

Jonas: I know, man. I know, you're absolutely right.

HeartofSorrow: Right--It's like, uh, I hate to use a video game analogy but...uh, if you're playing [[[something]]]

Jonas: I've got to be honest with you, I'm not a...you know, I'm not a spy, you know I never...uh, planned on any of this, you know. And it's frustrating-- you're right, you are so right, man. (pause) Uh, I haven't been very good at this stuff. Uh, the stealth, the hiding. In fact, I'm gonna be honest, I've been kinda stupid in the past. Um...but I'm learning as I go, man, you know, I'm learning as I go and I'm really-- you know, help us out when you can, you know...when--on the forum, or any time you see us doing something stupid try and bring it to our attention as soon as you can because, uh--yeah. And not that I'm not learning, what I'm doing, you know I feel like we're making progress, you know...Right? Are we--or are we just as bad as we always were?

(laughter)

[[[somebody]]]: Well...

HeartofSorrow: Well, you are getting better, cuz, uh... (laughs) no one got hurt, uh, hurt this time.

Jonas: Yeah, it's true.

HeartofSorrow: But--

Caalan: Hey, Jonas, this is caalan, I just wanted to make a real quick comment about that.

Jonas: Yeah.

Caalan: I mean, for us it's real easy to sit back and say, "These are all the things you did wrong," but we're not doin' it. But, the one thing I've noticed that would definitely point out is: you need a getaway driver, or a lookout. That way someone who's always there, who's got their phone, they can give you a call and say, "Hey, get outta there." Just cuz there's been a few instances where you didn't really have one.

Jonas: Yeah.

Caalan: And other than that, I mean, it's real easy for us to sit here safe at home and say, "Oh, you shouldn't have done that," but you know, you're the one doin' it.

Jonas: Yeah. No, I know, I was talking about with learning our lessons. Uh, we did that at Verdus. I think we're, and the techniques we're gonna start using.

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Notes

• The conference call had the ability to handle 150 callers. Thirteen callers were picked in advance by Jonas to be able to speak on the conference call, to avoid complete pandemonium. It is not known whether one of those thirteen callers betrayed Jonas and gave their calling information to Virgil.
• The 13 callers were:

• hopefulsemblance
• Chippercat
• P.MONKEYgetsFUNKY
• JustAnotherLonelyGirl
• EricaRocks
• harmony99
• HeartofSorrow
• livelovelaugh
• Chershaytoute
• caalan21
• Mowse
• Jafin
• hamovbala4ever89