Oh I like this. Hm, perhaps somewhere we can add how things that seem really important one episode, suddlenly don't matter the next? (E.g. the ceremony and what it was, the watcher, the company her dad worked for, the lemniscate thingie, etc.) They're not technically holes, but they're equally annoying. Well, I'll be making entries here as I remember... Great idea! OwenIsCool 20:58, 17 January 2007 (CST)
Fixing a hole...
I think perhaps that points like "Accent" or "Will there be a ceremony," which have irrefutable "solutions," should be removed from the list, or at least put into a separate category. Thoughts? ~ Jbshryne 01:00, 8 February 2007 (CST)
- The point of the list (at least in my mind) is not just to point out plot holes that still exist, but plot holes that also used to exist and have been explained or patched. Partially, this is to keep people who aren't aware of the solution from re-posting it, and partially it is to point out that the Creators are actually trying to make this stuff work. An unsolved plot hole is a ding against them, but a solved plot hole is in turn a point in their favor. --Brucker 17:22, 13 February 2007 (CST)
Lack of speaking on the part of Lucy et al.
While I don't think it constitutes a plot hole that Lucy and the Watchers don't speak, it is noteworthy, and I think it ought to be noted somewhere. It's not just in The Human Ransom, but all manner of places. Note that in the opening sequence of On The Run, when Bree's parents are being escorted from their house, there does not appear to be any words exchanged. I think this is intentional, and not just a matter of making certain characters appear more "mysterious" but more...something else. Perhaps powerful? Think of it: When the Order shows up at your house a few days after you've defied them by letting your daughter off the hook in respect to a sacred ceremony, they don't have to say a word; they just give you a look, and you know it's time to get in the back of the car and go room with Cassie. --Brucker 17:22, 13 February 2007 (CST)
- Perhaps just making note of it in Lucy's article would be just fine. It probably applies to the deacons/watcher/thugs and the rest of the gang, but it's most noticeable in Lucy. Or maybe start a "fan speculation" article on whether the Order requires members to take vows of silence. =P
- OwenIsCool 18:07, 13 February 2007 (CST)
Jonas knows too much?
I don't know if it's even a plot hole at all, but in the video "Tough Cookie", Jonas explains that Gemma had been working for the Order the entire time, and was lieing to Bree. The clip he showed is obviously from Tachyon/Brother's Gemma series (Part 2), but how does Jonas really know all that stuff? From the video, all we see is Gemma following Lucy. All that could mean is that Lucy's found Gemma and is taking her in. Now, maybe Jonas worked through the puzzle Tachyon and Brother left, but I don't know how much they'd told us at that point. Either Jonas worked through Tachyon's puzzle and found out about Gemma, the Creaters goofed up, or there's somthing else at work. 18.104.22.168 18:49, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
- I tend to think that Jonas jumped to the same conclusions that other fans did. The videos showed that Gemma was in California the whole time, and that she was in contact with Lucy. Between those two facts, it's not that big of an intuiotive jump to assume that Gemma's still working with the Order. Feel free to put it in, but it never bothered me, personally. -BRUCKER (Home/Talk/Contribs) 18:12, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
Because my battery may die soon...
I didn't put her mother as Mr Avery because we know she is a strong willed woman, so using that I would make the judgment that her last name may not be Avery. And from what I'm told if you have a pluralized or whatever for of word with an s on the end you don't do 's as in Jonas....No Jonas's but Jonas'. Debate or ignore. I don't think I can do much of the edits I wanted to now that my computer has once again copt out on me. I'll go through and see what needs images.--Killthesmiley 14:36, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
- Oh, in regards to Mrs. Avery, I put that because I thought Drew Avery and Mother seemed kind of... off. I actually think Nikki B. called her "Olivia Avery" once, but since Bree never confirmed that, I didn't want to put it up. --Zoey 19:59, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
- Not only do you not reply, you also use your silent time to create editing conflicts :P
- Anyway, I present to you: The styleguide. See also Wikipedia.
- Oh Shush! lol--Killthesmiley 16:36, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
Okay, I went through and I think I got all the spelling/grammar errors and the stylistic errors fixed. Someone should double check this, as I swear if I look at this any longer my brain will EXPLODE. Is all you have to do left the pictures, KTS? Omg this article is so close to done, I'm so excited!! But yes, if someone could take one more look at it to make sure I didn't miss anything, t'would be most appriciated. :) --Zoey 17:14, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
- Yea thats all I have to do, I'm going to go through and get the first couple done if possible, but I'm not going to be able to get all of them done as I thought my computer was fixed, then the cord actually caught on fire this time (remember guys, unplug a cord that is frayed BEFORE trying to connect it to something!!!). I'm going to try. I hope to get at least three done, if not more (prays that the battery will be nice and have an unusual amount of life!)--Killthesmiley 18:08, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
Just a list to help anyone that is wondering what could be done : A compairison of the differnt instances she wore the same clothes may be nice too in Bree-4. A picture of the result image or a screen cap of the survery would be nice in HoO-7. A Picture of the cover page of the document for REsistance-1 would be good. A picture of the watchers foot may be ice in Capture in Vegas - 5. Sorry if these seems like a lot but this was the list i had to get done. I need to get somethings done here at home. i'm hoping that my battery will work well when i boot back up. --Killthesmiley 14:50, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
- I added some new pictures and removed those ones from the list. I couldn't find images of the ones left above on the wiki, so I assume new screenshots will need to be taken. Any more images people think are necessary? --Zoey 23:05, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
- My computer is going to die in the next couple of minutes and I need to get some other things done, so if someone wouldn't mind finishing this up for me that would be great. There will be no garentee that I will be back until tomorrow night (or if I'm lucky and my husband is nice tomorrow morning with a new computer) haha! <3--Killthesmiley 18:51, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
I think you did an awesome Job. I don't think there are anything else that needs to be done. Maybe add a new hole about Deep throat, but that is probably a debated hole, as 1) the original deep throat is STILL a mystery and 2)we may find out who it is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Killthesmiley (talk • contribs) .
- Are you still planning on putting any more images up, or should I assume this page is complete? --Zoey 18:19, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
- I have a couple of of pictures to add, but I they are more for my own personal satisfaction so people will stop whining about certain "plot holes" that aren't "plot holes" .... yea it annoys me. I'll do tem later today. My computer is being a jerk again today. --Killthesmiley 06:57, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
I think much of the information on this page should be moved, mainly because they're simply not plot holes.
Take, for example, "Who is Isaac Gilman? What kind of work did he do with genetics?"
...where's the plot hole there? Those are valid, mostly unanswered questions, yes, but they are in no way plot holes. Stuff like the unending supply of clothes on the run, or the two different versions of why Cassie went away, yes, those are plot holes. Things that logically make no sense in the plot. But "Is Sarah really as promiscuous as she claims?" qualifies in no way as a plot hole. It is simply something we don't know.
So, given the number of such non-plot-hole questions here, it might be best to create an "unanswered questions" page - but there seriously should be some filtering done here. There's no use having a plot hole page, if the majority of supposed plot holes are simply unexplained details. Just ask yourself: How is the fact that we don't know who Alex's husband was a hole in the plot?
- Hm, I think you raise a fair point. What on this page would be a "plot hole" vs an "unanswered question"? Should it be two seperate pages? Two main sections on the one page? Just get rid of unanswered questions altogether? Any thoughts? --Zoey 14:40, 19 July 2007 (CDT)
- Can I just say, I just about had a heart attack viewing this page :P --22.214.171.124 13:21, 31 July 2007 (CDT) (Killthesmiley wrote this :P)